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๐Ÿ“„ Earnings Call Transcript ๋ฒˆ์—ญ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ

๐Ÿ“Š Presentation

Original Translation
Duolingo, Inc. (NASDAQ:DUOL) Q1 2025 Earnings Call May 1, 2025 5:30 PM ET

Company Participants

Deborah Belevan - Investor Relations
Luis von Ahn - Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer
Matt Skaruppa - Chief Financial Officer

Conference Call Participants

Curtis Nagle - Bank of America
Ralph Schackart - William Blair
Chris Kuntarich - UBS
Bryan Smilek - JPMorgan
Justin Patterson - KeyBanc
Nathan Feather - Morgan Stanley
Arvind Ramnani - Piper Sandler
Wyatt Swanson - D.A.
Duolingo, Inc. (๋‚˜์Šค๋‹ฅ: DUOL) 2025๋…„ 1๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์‹ค์ ๋ฐœํ‘œ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค์ฝœ
2025๋…„ 5์›” 1์ผ ์˜คํ›„ 5์‹œ 30๋ถ„ (๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๋™๋ถ€์‹œ๊ฐ„)

์ฐธ๊ฐ€์ž

๊ธฐ์—…์ธก ์ฐธ์„์ž
Deborah Belevan - ํˆฌ์ž์ž ๊ด€๊ณ„(IR) ๋‹ด๋‹น
Luis von Ahn - ๊ณต๋™์ฐฝ์—…์ž ๊ฒธ ์ตœ๊ณ ๊ฒฝ์˜์ž(CEO)
Matt Skaruppa - ์ตœ๊ณ ์žฌ๋ฌด์ฑ…์ž„์ž(CFO)

์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค์ฝœ ์ฐธ๊ฐ€ ์• ๋„๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ
Curtis Nagle - ๋ฑ…ํฌ์˜ค๋ธŒ์•„๋ฉ”๋ฆฌ์นด
Ralph Schackart - ์œŒ๋ฆฌ์—„ ๋ธ”๋ ˆ์–ด
Chris Kuntarich - UBS
Bryan Smilek - JP๋ชจ๊ฑด
Justin Patterson - ํ‚ค๋ฑ…ํฌ
Nathan Feather - ๋ชจ๊ฑด์Šคํƒ ๋ฆฌ
Arvind Ramnani - ํŒŒ์ดํผ ์ƒŒ๋“ค๋Ÿฌ
Wyatt Swanson - D.A. ๋ฐ์ด๋น„์Šจ

[์ฐธ๊ณ : ํ•œ๊ตญ์–ด๋กœ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋œ ์‹ค์ ๋ฐœํ‘œ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค์ฝœ ์ œ๋ชฉ๊ณผ ์ฐธ๊ฐ€์ž ๋ช…๋‹จ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธˆ์œต ์ „๋ฌธ์šฉ์–ด๋Š” ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ†ต์šฉ๋˜๋Š” ํ•œ๊ตญ์–ด ํ‘œํ˜„์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋ช…๊ณผ ์ธ๋ช…์€ ์›์–ด ๋ฐœ์Œ์„ ์œ ์ง€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.]
Davidson
Alex Sklar - Raymond James
Ryan MacDonald - Needham
Andrew Boone - Citizens JMP
Mark Mahaney - Evercore ISI
John Colantuoni - Jefferies
Ross Sandler - Barclays
Shweta Khajuria - Wolfe Research

Deborah Belevan

Good evening, everyone and welcome to Duolingoโ€™s First Quarter 2025 Earnings Webcast. Today, after market close, we released this quarterโ€™s shareholder letter, a copy of which you can find on our IR website at investors.duolingo.com. On todayโ€™s call, we have Luis von Ahn, our Co-Founder and CEO; and Matt Skaruppa, our CFO. Theyโ€™ll begin with some brief remarks before opening the call to questions. [Operator Instructions] And please note this event is being recorded.
์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ, Duolingo์˜ 2025๋…„ 1๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์‹ค์  ์›น์บ์ŠคํŠธ์— ์˜ค์‹  ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ™˜์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์žฅ ๋งˆ๊ฐ ํ›„, ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ด๋ฒˆ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์ฃผ์ฃผ์„œํ•œ์„ ๊ณต๊ฐœํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ํ•ด๋‹น ๋‚ด์šฉ์€ ๋‹น์‚ฌ์˜ IR ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ investors.duolingo.com์—์„œ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค์ฝœ์—๋Š” ๋‹น์‚ฌ์˜ ๊ณต๋™์ฐฝ์—…์ž์ด์ž CEO์ธ ๋ฃจ์ด์Šค ํฐ ์•ˆ๊ณผ CFO์ธ ๋งคํŠธ ์Šค์นด๋ฃจํŒŒ๊ฐ€ ์ฐธ์„ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‘ ๋ถ„๊ป˜์„œ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ๋ชจ๋‘๋ฐœ์–ธ์„ ํ•˜์‹  ํ›„, ์งˆ์˜์‘๋‹ต ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. [์ง„ํ–‰์ž ์•ˆ๋‚ด์‚ฌํ•ญ] ๋˜ํ•œ ๋ณธ ํ–‰์‚ฌ๋Š” ๋…นํ™”๋  ์˜ˆ์ •์ž„์„ ์•Œ๋ ค๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์ฐธ์„ ์• ๋„๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ:
๋ฐ์ด๋น„๋“œ์Šจ
์•Œ๋ ‰์Šค ์Šคํด๋ผ - ๋ ˆ์ด๋จผ๋“œ ์ œ์ž„์Šค
๋ผ์ด์–ธ ๋งฅ๋„๋„๋“œ - ๋‹ˆ๋“œํ–„
์•ค๋“œ๋ฅ˜ ๋ถ„ - ์‹œํ‹ฐ์ฆŒ์Šค JMP
๋งˆํฌ ๋งˆํ•˜๋‹ˆ - ์—๋ฒ„์ฝ”์–ด ISI
์กด ์ฝœ๋ž€ํˆฌ์˜ค๋‹ˆ - ์ œํ”„๋ฆฌ์Šค
๋กœ์Šค ์ƒŒ๋“ค๋Ÿฌ - ๋ฐ”ํด๋ ˆ์ด์Šค
์Šˆ์›จํƒ€ ์นด์ฃผ๋ฆฌ์•„ - ์šธํ”„ ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜

๋ฐ๋ณด๋ผ ๋ฒจ๋ ˆ๋ฐ˜
Just a reminder, weโ€™ll make forward-looking statements regarding future events and financial performance, which are subject to material risks and uncertainties. Some of these risks have been set forth in the risk factors in our filings with the SEC. These forward-looking statements are based on assumptions we believe to be reasonable as of today, and we have no obligation to update these statements as a result of new information or future events. Additionally, weโ€™ll present both GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures on todayโ€™s call.๋‹น์‚ฌ๋Š” ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์˜ ์‚ฌ๊ฑด๋“ค๊ณผ ์žฌ๋ฌด์„ฑ๊ณผ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์˜ˆ์ธก์„ฑ ์ง„์ˆ ์„ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž„์„ ์•Œ๋ ค๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ง„์ˆ ๋“ค์€ ์ค‘๋Œ€ํ•œ ์œ„ํ—˜๊ณผ ๋ถˆํ™•์‹ค์„ฑ์˜ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฐ›์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์œ„ํ—˜ ์š”์†Œ ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ๋‹น์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ SEC์— ์ œ์ถœํ•œ ๋ณด๊ณ ์„œ์— ๋ช…์‹œ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์˜ˆ์ธก์„ฑ ์ง„์ˆ ์€ ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์‹œ์ ์—์„œ ๋‹น์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•ฉ๋ฆฌ์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํŒ๋‹จํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฐ€์ •์— ๊ธฐ์ดˆํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ๋‹น์‚ฌ๋Š” ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ •๋ณด๋‚˜ ํ–ฅํ›„ ์‚ฌ๊ฑด์˜ ๋ฐœ์ƒ์œผ๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ง„์ˆ ์„ ์—…๋ฐ์ดํŠธํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์˜๋ฌด๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค์ฝœ์—์„œ๋Š” GAAP ๊ธฐ์ค€ ๋ฐ ๋น„GAAP ๊ธฐ์ค€ ์žฌ๋ฌด์ง€ํ‘œ๋ฅผ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋ฐœํ‘œํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

Note: Key financial terms are preserved:
- ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์˜ˆ์ธก์„ฑ ์ง„์ˆ  (forward-looking statements)
- SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission)
- GAAP/๋น„GAAP ๊ธฐ์ค€ (GAAP/non-GAAP measures)
- ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค์ฝœ (conference call)
These non-GAAP measures are not intended to be considered in isolation from, a substitute for or superior to our GAAP results, and we encourage you to consider all measures when analyzing our performance. And now I will hand it over to Luis. Luis von Ahn

Thank you, Debbie. Normally, we start this call with prepared remarks, which, in this case, probably would have included the term AI like 17 times. But as Iโ€™m sure youโ€™ve read in our shareholder letter, things are going great. So weโ€™re going to get right into questions. Deborah Belevan

Alright. Thanks, Luis. Now Iโ€™ll pass it over to the moderator, who will begin the Q&A portion of the call.
์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋น„(้ž)GAAP ์ธก์ •์น˜๋“ค์€ GAAP ์‹ค์ ๊ณผ ๋ณ„๊ฐœ๋กœ ๊ณ ๋ ค๋˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ์ด๋ฅผ ๋Œ€์ฒดํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ๋˜๋Š” ์ด๋ณด๋‹ค ์šฐ์œ„์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ„์ฃผ๋˜์–ด์„œ๋Š” ์•ˆ ๋˜๋ฉฐ, ๋‹น์‚ฌ์˜ ์‹ค์ ์„ ๋ถ„์„ํ•˜์‹ค ๋•Œ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ธก์ •์น˜๋ฅผ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•ด์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ถŒ์žฅ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ Luis์—๊ฒŒ ๋งˆ์ดํฌ๋ฅผ ๋„˜๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

Luis von Ahn

Debbie, ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ณดํ†ต์€ ์ด ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ์„ ์ค€๋น„๋œ ๋ฐœ์–ธ์œผ๋กœ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ด๋ฒˆ์—๋Š” ์•„๋งˆ๋„ AI๋ผ๋Š” ์šฉ์–ด๋ฅผ 17๋ฒˆ ์ •๋„ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๋„ค์š”. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ฃผ์ฃผ์„œํ•œ์—์„œ ๋ณด์…จ๋“ฏ์ด, ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„์ฃผ ์ž˜ ์ง„ํ–‰๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์งˆ์˜์‘๋‹ต์œผ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€๋„๋ก ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

Deborah Belevan

์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Luis, ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ์ง„ํ–‰์ž์—๊ฒŒ ๋งˆ์ดํฌ๋ฅผ ๋„˜๊ฒจ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ์˜ Q&A ์„ธ์…˜์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋„๋ก ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๐Ÿ“Œ ์š”์•ฝ

โ€ข ์ฃผ์š” ๋‚ด์šฉ:
- ๋“€์˜ค๋ง๊ณ ์˜ 2025๋…„ 1๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์‹ค์  ๋ฐœํ‘œ์—์„œ ๊ฒฝ์˜์ง„์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ํ†ค์„ ๋ณด์ž„
- CEO Luis von Ahn์€ ๊ธฐ์—… ์‹ค์ ์ด "๋งค์šฐ ์ข‹๋‹ค"๊ณ  ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ์ค€๋น„๋œ ๋ฐœํ‘œ ๋Œ€์‹  ๋ฐ”๋กœ Q&A๋กœ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •

โ€ข ํŠน์ด์‚ฌํ•ญ:
- AI ๊ด€๋ จ ์–ธ๊ธ‰์ด ๋งŽ์„ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒ๋˜์—ˆ์œผ๋‚˜, ๊ฒฝ์˜์ง„์€ ์ด๋ฅผ ์ƒ๋žตํ•˜๊ณ  ํ•ต์‹ฌ ์„ฑ๊ณผ์— ์ง‘์ค‘

โ€ข ํˆฌ์ž์ž ๊ด€์  ์‹œ์‚ฌ์ :
- ๊ฒฝ์˜์ง„์˜ ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ ์žˆ๋Š” ํƒœ๋„์™€ ์‹ ์†ํ•œ Q&A ์ „ํ™˜์€ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ์‹ค์ ์„ ์‹œ์‚ฌ
- ๋‹ค๋งŒ ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ์žฌ๋ฌด ์ง€ํ‘œ์™€ ๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค๋Š” Q&A ์„ธ์…˜์—์„œ ํ™•์ธ ํ•„์š”

(์ฐธ๊ณ : ์ œ๊ณต๋œ ํŠธ๋žœ์Šคํฌ๋ฆฝํŠธ๋Š” ๋„์ž…๋ถ€๋งŒ ํฌํ•จ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์–ด, ์‹ค์ œ ์žฌ๋ฌด ์„ฑ๊ณผ์™€ ์ƒ์„ธ ๋‚ด์šฉ์€ ํ™•์ธํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค)


โ“ Q&A

Original Translation
Question-and-Answer Session

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Just a moment as our first question is connecting that will come from Curtis Nagle with Bank of America. Please unmute your audio and ask your question. Curtis Nagle

Terrific. Thanks for taking the question. Maybe one first for Matt and then one for Luis. Matt, could you just talk through the cadence of the gross margin for the year, really nice outperformance on some of the Max efficiencies. Iโ€™m still expecting, I think, a 50 bps beat in 2Q and then ramping up in 2H. I guess why not more of a benefit in the second quarter and how should we think about kind of run-rates going into next year in terms of gross margin?
์งˆ์˜์‘๋‹ต

์ง„ํ–‰์ž

[์ง„ํ–‰์ž ์•ˆ๋‚ด์‚ฌํ•ญ] ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž๊ฐ€ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Bank of America์˜ Curtis Nagle ๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ์†Œ๊ฑฐ๋ฅผ ํ•ด์ œํ•˜์‹œ๊ณ  ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Curtis Nagle๋‹˜.

์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋‹ต๋ณ€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Matt๋‹˜๊ป˜ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Luis๋‹˜๊ป˜ ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Matt๋‹˜, ์˜ฌํ•ด ๋งค์ถœ์ด์ด์ต๋ฅ ์˜ ์ถ”์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? Max ํšจ์œจ์„ฑ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ๋งค์šฐ ์ข‹์€ ์‹ค์ ์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. ์ œ ์˜ˆ์ƒ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” 2๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— 50bp์˜ ์ดˆ๊ณผ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑ์ด ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ  ํ•˜๋ฐ˜๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ๋”์šฑ ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 2๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— ๋” ํฐ ์ด์ต์ด ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋ฉฐ, ๋‚ด๋…„์œผ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€๋Š” ๋งค์ถœ์ด์ด์ต๋ฅ ์˜ ์‹คํ–‰ ์ˆ˜์ค€์€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ ๊นŒ์š”?
Matt Skaruppa

Thanks, Curtis. I appreciate the question. So we lay out in the shareholder letter the detailed gross margin guidance. So just to kind of reiterate what we put in there, youโ€™re absolutely right. We continue to expect for the full year about a 150 basis point decline year-over-year. We did see Q1 come in better than we expected. We expected about a 300 basis point decline and we saw about a 200 basis point decline. For the most part, in Q1, Max was on plan in terms of its impact on gross margin, and we saw a slight benefit on ads, which helped. But as we lay out in the shareholder letter, we do expect Q2 to, sequentially, compared to Q1, decline 50 basis points.
Matt Skaruppa

๋„ค, Curtis๋‹˜. ์งˆ๋ฌธ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฃผ์ฃผ์„œํ•œ์—์„œ ์ƒ์„ธํ•œ ๋งค์ถœ์ด์ด์ต๋ฅ  ๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค๋ฅผ ์ œ์‹œํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ์–ธ๊ธ‰๋œ ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๋Œ€๋กœ ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ์ „๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ ์•ฝ 150๋ฒ ์ด์‹œ์Šคํฌ์ธํŠธ ํ•˜๋ฝ์„ ๊ณ„์† ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 1๋ถ„๊ธฐ๋Š” ์˜ˆ์ƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ์–‘ํ˜ธํ•œ ์‹ค์ ์„ ๋ณด์˜€๋Š”๋ฐ์š”, ๋‹น์ดˆ 300๋ฒ ์ด์‹œ์Šคํฌ์ธํŠธ ํ•˜๋ฝ์„ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ–ˆ์œผ๋‚˜ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ์•ฝ 200๋ฒ ์ด์‹œ์Šคํฌ์ธํŠธ ํ•˜๋ฝ์— ๊ทธ์ณค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 1๋ถ„๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ๋Œ€์ฒด๋กœ Max๊ฐ€ ๋งค์ถœ์ด์ด์ต๋ฅ ์— ๋ฏธ์น˜๋Š” ์˜ํ–ฅ์ด ๊ณ„ํš๋œ ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด์—ˆ๊ณ , ๊ด‘๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์—์„œ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ์ด์ต์ด ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜์—ฌ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ฃผ์ฃผ์„œํ•œ์—์„œ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•œ ๋ฐ”์™€ ๊ฐ™์ด, 2๋ถ„๊ธฐ์—๋Š” 1๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋Œ€๋น„ ์ˆœ์ฐจ์ ์œผ๋กœ 50๋ฒ ์ด์‹œ์Šคํฌ์ธํŠธ ํ•˜๋ฝํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And then weโ€™ll see gross margin ramp up in Q3 and Q4 such that by the end of the year, we end roughly back to where we started the year at the end of Q4 of last year. Curtis Nagle

Okay. Awesome. Thatโ€™s helpful. And then, Luis, for you, just maybe expectations in terms of the language modules chess, music, math, right? Do we still sort of see these largely as tools for engagement for streets, adding value to existing users or maybe increasingly so as potential monetization tools? What are your thoughts there? Luis von Ahn

Yes. Thanks for the question, Curtis. So weโ€™re very happy, we just added chess. Itโ€™s not quite yet live in the app, but itโ€™s going to be live very soon.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  3๋ถ„๊ธฐ์™€ 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ๋งค์ถœ์ด์ด์ต๋ฅ ์ด ์ƒ์Šนํ•˜์—ฌ, ์—ฐ๋ง์—๋Š” ์ž‘๋…„ 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋ง๊ณผ ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ์ˆ˜์ค€์œผ๋กœ ํšŒ๋ณต๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ปคํ‹ฐ์Šค ๋„ค์ด๊ธ€

์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งค์šฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฃจ์ด์Šค๋‹˜๊ป˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ธ์–ด ๋ชจ๋“ˆ, ์ฒด์Šค, ์Œ์•…, ์ˆ˜ํ•™ ๋“ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€์น˜์™€ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ์š”. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ๋“ค์„ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์ฃผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž ์ฐธ์—ฌ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ๋„๊ตฌ๋กœ ๋ณด์‹œ๋Š”์ง€, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์ ์ฐจ ์ˆ˜์ตํ™” ๋„๊ตฌ๋กœ์„œ์˜ ์ž ์žฌ๋ ฅ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ณด์‹œ๋Š”์ง€ ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ๊ฒฌํ•ด๊ฐ€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฃจ์ด์Šค ํฐ ์•ˆ

๋„ค, ์งˆ๋ฌธ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ์ปคํ‹ฐ์Šค๋‹˜. ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ์ฒด์Šค๋ฅผ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”, ์•„์ง ์•ฑ์— ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๊ตฌํ˜„๋˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ณง ์„œ๋น„์Šค๋  ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
I should mention something amazing about chess is that it really started with a team of two people, neither of whom knew how to program, so they were not programmers. And they basically made prototypes and did the whole curriculum of chess by just using AI. Also, neither of them knew how to play chess. And we started that for several months. And eventually, when they had a really good prototype, we had a whole team to professionalize it and put it in the app. So weโ€™re very happy with it. This is, at the moment, mainly going to be to increase users. We think there as a huge demand for chess. There is hundreds of millions of people who want to play chess.์ฒด์Šค์™€ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ ์ •๋ง ๋†€๋ผ์šด ์ ์„ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ž ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋Š” ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋ž˜๋ฐ์„ ์ „ํ˜€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๋Š” ๋‘ ๋ช…์œผ๋กœ ๊ตฌ์„ฑ๋œ ํŒ€์—์„œ ์‹œ์ž‘๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋“ค์€ AI๋ฅผ ํ™œ์šฉํ•ด ํ”„๋กœํ† ํƒ€์ž…์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ  ์ฒด์Šค ์ปค๋ฆฌํ˜๋Ÿผ ์ „์ฒด๋ฅผ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๋”์šฑ ๋†€๋ผ์šด ์ ์€ ๋‘ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ฒด์Šค๋ฅผ ์ „ํ˜€ ๋ชฐ๋ž๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๋ช‡ ๋‹ฌ๊ฐ„ ์ž‘์—…์„ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์šฐ์ˆ˜ํ•œ ํ”„๋กœํ† ํƒ€์ž…์ด ์™„์„ฑ๋˜์ž ์ „๋ฌธ ํŒ€์„ ํˆฌ์ž…ํ•˜์—ฌ ์•ฑ์œผ๋กœ ๊ตฌํ˜„ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ด ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ์— ๋งค์šฐ ๋งŒ์กฑํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ๋กœ์„œ๋Š” ์ด๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ฃผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ๋Š˜๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐ ์ฃผ๋ ฅํ•  ๊ณ„ํš์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฒด์Šค์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ˆ˜์š”๊ฐ€ ๋งค์šฐ ํฌ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํŒ๋‹จํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ˆ˜์–ต ๋ช…์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ฒด์Šค๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์ฆ๊ธฐ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์›ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And the same is true for math and music. I mean theyโ€™re growing really well. We are monetizing all of these subjects, by the way. The way you monetize them is the same way we monetize language learning, which is if you want to turn off ads, you can pay to subscribe. So weโ€™re monetizing them already. But compared to language learning, theyโ€™re a lot smaller. But yes, weโ€™re very excited about it. Curtis Nagle

Okay, thank you. Operator

Our next question will come from Ralph Schackart with William Blair. Please unmute your audio, video and ask your question. Ralph Schackart

Great. Thanks for taking the question. Matt, maybe Iโ€™ll start with you.
์ˆ˜ํ•™๊ณผ ์Œ์•… ๊ณผ๋ชฉ๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง ์ž˜ ์„ฑ์žฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ . ์ฐธ๊ณ ๋กœ ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ณผ๋ชฉ์—์„œ ์ˆ˜์ต์„ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ˆ˜์ต ์ฐฝ์ถœ ๋ฐฉ์‹์€ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต๊ณผ ๋™์ผํ•œ๋ฐ์š”, ๊ด‘๊ณ ๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ฑฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์œผ์‹œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ตฌ๋…๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ด๋ฏธ ์ˆ˜์ตํ™”๊ฐ€ ์ง„ํ–‰ ์ค‘์ด์ง€๋งŒ, ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ๋น„ํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทœ๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ํ›จ์”ฌ ์ž‘์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋„ค, ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Curtis Nagle

์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง„ํ–‰์ž

๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ William Blair์˜ Ralph Schackart๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ํ•ด์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ์†Œ๊ฑฐ๋ฅผ ํ•ด์ œํ•˜์‹œ๊ณ  ๋น„๋””์˜ค๋ฅผ ์ผœ์‹  ํ›„ ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Ralph Schackart

์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์งˆ๋ฌธ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Matt๋‹˜๊ป˜ ๋จผ์ € ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Maybe kind of give us a sense of any macro softness you may or may not be seeing. I think during the 2022 time frame after going public, you didnโ€™t see much there. But just give us a sense there on the DAUs, kind of how broad-based was that? And then Luis, just on gen AI, not focused on Max, but obviously, youโ€™ve been working with AI for a long time. Just give us a sense, when youโ€™re testing now and developing products, what does gen AI allow you to do in terms of testing at scale and to develop products at scale? And then how does that sort of inform your roadmap to really sort of leverage that, to create, I guess, more products over time and potentially be able to roll them out faster?๋งคํฌ๋กœ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์˜ ์•ฝ์„ธ์™€ ๊ด€๋ จํ•˜์—ฌ ํ˜„์žฌ ์–ด๋–ค ์ƒํ™ฉ์„ ๋ณด๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹ ์ง€ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? 2022๋…„ ์ƒ์žฅ ์ดํ›„์—๋Š” ํฐ ์˜ํ–ฅ์ด ์—†์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. DAU(์ผ์ผ ํ™œ์„ฑ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž ์ˆ˜)์™€ ๊ด€๋ จํ•˜์—ฌ ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ํ˜„ํ™ฉ์„ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๋ฉด ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Luis๋‹˜, Max์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์ƒ์„ฑํ˜• AI์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์—ฌ์ญค๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ท€์‚ฌ๋Š” ์˜ค๋žซ๋™์•ˆ AI๋ฅผ ๋‹ค๋ค„์˜ค์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. ํ˜„์žฌ ์ œํ’ˆ์„ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฐœ๋ฐœํ•˜์‹ค ๋•Œ, ์ƒ์„ฑํ˜• AI๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์–ด๋–ค ๊ทœ๋ชจ์˜ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ์™€ ์ œํ’ˆ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ์ด ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•œ์ง€ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๋˜ํ•œ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ƒ์„ฑํ˜• AI๊ฐ€ ํ–ฅํ›„ ๋กœ๋“œ๋งต์— ์–ด๋–ค ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น˜๋ฉฐ, ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์ œํ’ˆ์„ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœํ•˜๊ณ  ๋” ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์ถœ์‹œํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ™œ์šฉ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„์ง€ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๋ฉด ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Thank you. Matt Skaruppa

Yes. Thanks, Ralph. So when it comes to the broader environment, you can see from our Q1 results, which were great, and the strength of our guide that we feel confident about the roadmap for 2025. We have a lot of exciting opportunities ahead of us. And so thatโ€™s what you see in the guide. So far in Q2, weโ€™ve been monitoring the metrics we always monitor, and we havenโ€™t seen any real change in the trends based on any macro environment. So we feel good about that. Iโ€™d just remind you also that weโ€™re a global business. A majority of our bookings and revenue come from outside the U.S. And we offer a really attractive, in my view, value-to-price relationship.
๋„ค, ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Matt Skaruppa์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋„ค, Ralph๋‹˜ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ 1๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์‹ค์ ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ์ข‹์•˜๊ณ  ๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค๋„ ๊ฐ•์„ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์—์„œ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋“ฏ์ด, ์ €ํฌ๋Š” 2025๋…„๊นŒ์ง€์˜ ๋กœ๋“œ๋งต์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ๋งŽ์€ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ๊ธฐํšŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ . ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ „๋ง์ด ๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค์— ๋ฐ˜์˜๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 2๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— ๋“ค์–ด์„œ๋„ ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ชจ๋‹ˆํ„ฐ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ์ง€ํ‘œ๋“ค์„ ๊ณ„์† ๊ด€์ฐฐํ•ด์™”๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ฑฐ์‹œ๊ฒฝ์ œ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์œผ๋กœ ์ธํ•œ ์–ด๋– ํ•œ ํŠธ๋ Œ๋“œ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋„ ์‹ค์งˆ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ์ง€๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ๊ธ์ •์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ ์ƒ๊ธฐ์‹œ์ผœ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ์ ์€ ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค๋ฅผ ์˜์œ„ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ์˜ ์ˆ˜์ฃผ์™€ ๋งค์ถœ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์™ธ ์ง€์—ญ์—์„œ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ณด๊ธฐ์— ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ ๋Œ€๋น„ ๊ฐ€์น˜๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Our average revenue per user is in the $6 range. So we feel good about it, and thatโ€™s what you see in the guide, Ralph. Luis von Ahn

And in terms of gen AI, I mean, in general, gen AI is allowing us โ€“ thereโ€™s three places where itโ€™s helping us. I mean one is data creation. Teaching requires quite a bit of content. It used to be the case that a lot of this content was made by hand with some automation, but a lot of it by hand. By now, we are able to make the content for all of our subjects mostly, close to 100%, automatically. So that allows us to just have a lot more content that is made a lot faster and much cheaper. So thatโ€™s one place where itโ€™s helping us.
์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋‹น ํ‰๊ท  ๋งค์ถœ์€ 6๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ˆ˜์ค€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ธ์ •์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, Ralph๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์ด๋Š” ๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค์—๋„ ๋ฐ˜์˜๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์ƒ์„ฑํ˜• AI์™€ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ๋Š”, ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์„ธ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์˜์—ญ์—์„œ ๋„์›€์„ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ๋ฐ์ดํ„ฐ ์ƒ์„ฑ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ต์œก์—๋Š” ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ์–‘์˜ ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ๋ฐ, ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ์—๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ์˜ ์ƒ๋‹น ๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ์ผ๋ถ€ ์ž๋™ํ™”์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ˆ˜์ž‘์—…์œผ๋กœ ์ œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ณผ๋ชฉ์˜ ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ๋ฅผ ๊ฑฐ์˜ 100% ์ž๋™์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ์„ฑํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋น ๋ฅด๊ณ  ์ €๋ ดํ•œ ๋น„์šฉ์œผ๋กœ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ๋ฅผ ํ™•๋ณดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ƒ์„ฑํ˜• AI๊ฐ€ ๋„์›€์„ ์ฃผ๋Š” ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์˜์—ญ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Another place where itโ€™s helping us is just creating new features that were just not possible for like Video Call with Lily. That was just impossible to practice conversation with a computer 2 years ago. And then the last place is itโ€™s just helping us with efficiencies everywhere in the company. And the fact that, for example, chess is a really good example. This is what I mentioned in the last answer. The fact that two people who were not engineers really were able to get to a pretty far in chess, I mean they didnโ€™t make a production version of chess, but what they made is really, really good prototypes. And so this is really โ€“ this is showing what the future is going to look like.AI๊ฐ€ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋Š” ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์˜์—ญ์€ ์ด์ „์—๋Š” ๋ถˆ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ–ˆ๋˜ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ๋“ค์„ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด 'Video Call with Lily' ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ, 2๋…„ ์ „๋งŒ ํ•ด๋„ ์ปดํ“จํ„ฐ์™€ ๋Œ€ํ™” ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ถˆ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์œผ๋กœ, AI๋Š” ํšŒ์‚ฌ ์ „๋ฐ˜์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ํšจ์œจ์„ฑ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์„ ์ฃผ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ์ฒด์Šค๊ฐ€ ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์€ ์‚ฌ๋ก€์ธ๋ฐ์š”. ์ด๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•ž์„  ๋‹ต๋ณ€์—์„œ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๋‚ด์šฉ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—”์ง€๋‹ˆ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ ๋‘ ๋ช…์˜ ์ง์›์ด ์ฒด์Šค ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ์—์„œ ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ์ด๋ค„๋ƒˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ด ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ•  ๋งŒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก  ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ฒด์Šค์˜ ์ œํ’ˆ ๋ฒ„์ „์„ ์™„์„ฑํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ๋งค์šฐ ์šฐ์ˆ˜ํ•œ ํ”„๋กœํ† ํƒ€์ž…์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ๋งˆ์ฃผํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์˜ ๋ชจ์Šต์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Weโ€™re going to have a lot of people in the company that are playing around with new subjects or with new ideas. And I think thatโ€™s going to speed up the development of our features. Ralph Schackart

Great. Thanks, Luis. Thanks, Matt. Operator

Our next question will come from Chris Kuntarich with UBS. Please unmute your video, audio and ask your question. Chris Kuntarich

Thanks for taking the question. Maybe the first would just be on the Max side of things. Any update on retention trends for Max and just percentage of overall subs? And just how should we be thinking about kind of where Max retention is versus Super at this point?
ํšŒ์‚ฌ ๋‚ด ๋งŽ์€ ์ง์›๋“ค์ด ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ฃผ์ œ์™€ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ์‹คํ—˜ํ•ด๋ณผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ๋“ค์˜ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ ์†๋„๊ฐ€ ๋นจ๋ผ์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Ralph Schackart

๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, Luis๋‹˜, Matt๋‹˜. ์ง„ํ–‰์ž

๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ UBS์˜ Chris Kuntarich๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค์™€ ์˜ค๋””์˜ค ์Œ์†Œ๊ฑฐ๋ฅผ ํ•ด์ œํ•˜์‹œ๊ณ  ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Chris Kuntarich

์งˆ๋ฌธ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ์„  Max ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์—ฌ์ญค๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Max์˜ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์œ ์ง€์œจ ๋™ํ–ฅ๊ณผ ์ „์ฒด ๊ตฌ๋…์ž ์ค‘ ๋น„์ค‘์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์—…๋ฐ์ดํŠธํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ˜„ ์‹œ์ ์—์„œ Max์˜ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์œ ์ง€์œจ์ด Super์™€ ๋น„๊ตํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์–ด๋А ์ •๋„ ์ˆ˜์ค€์ธ์ง€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ ๊นŒ์š”?
And I guess my second question would really be on the 148 new language courses and kind of pushing on that thread a little bit more here. You said it took 12 years to add the first 100. I guess, is it more โ€“ are we at the point now where we kind of reached saturation here as far as the available courses that youโ€™re looking to offer here and itโ€™s about pushing deeper into certain markets or is there another 100 courses potentially that we should be looking here that will be driving those โ€“ really driving the funnel here? Thanks. Matt Skaruppa

Yes. So on the Max retention rates, we feel good about how Max is progressing.
148๊ฐœ์˜ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์–ธ์–ด ๊ณผ์ •์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ข€ ๋” ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์—ฌ์ญค๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฒ˜์Œ 100๊ฐœ ๊ณผ์ •์„ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ 12๋…„์ด ๊ฑธ๋ ธ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. ํ˜„์žฌ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ณ ์ž ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณผ์ •๋“ค์ด ํฌํ™” ์ƒํƒœ์— ๋„๋‹ฌํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ํŠน์ • ์‹œ์žฅ์— ๋” ๊นŠ์ด ์ง„์ถœํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ชฉํ‘œ์ธ์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜น์€ ํผ๋„(funnel)์„ ์‹ค์งˆ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฒฌ์ธํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ 100๊ฐœ์˜ ๊ณผ์ •์ด ์ž ์žฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์—ฌ์ญค๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
- Matt Skaruppa

๋„ค. Max์˜ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์œ ์ง€์œจ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ์ €ํฌ๋Š” Max์˜ ์ง„ํ–‰ ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ธ์ •์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

Note: I preserved the English name "Max" and the marketing term "funnel" as they are commonly used in Korean business contexts. The translation maintains the formal, professional tone of the original while ensuring natural Korean flow.
Itโ€™s about 7% of subscribers at quarter end, which is an impressive set of growth, and it helped to deliver a really strong Q1 for us, and itโ€™s going well. I think on the retention rates, itโ€™s kind of as expected. Itโ€™s early days, but we feel confident that itโ€™s going well on the overall retention rates for Max at this point. Luis von Ahn

Yes. And in terms of the language courses, we added 148 new language courses. All of this content was done with AI, and it really took us about a year to add these 148 language courses. And like you mentioned, the previous 100ish courses took us about 12 years to make. So this is an incredible speedup.
๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋ง ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ๊ตฌ๋…์ž์˜ ์•ฝ 7%๋ฅผ ์ฐจ์ง€ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ด๋Š” ์ธ์ƒ์ ์ธ ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ์—ˆ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‚ฌ์˜ 1๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์‹ค์ ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ•์„ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ธฐ์—ฌํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ํ˜„์žฌ๋„ ์ˆœ์กฐ๋กญ๊ฒŒ ์ง„ํ–‰๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฆฌํ…์…˜์œจ(๊ณ ๊ฐ ์œ ์ง€์œจ)๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์˜ˆ์ƒํ–ˆ๋˜ ์ˆ˜์ค€์„ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์ง ์ดˆ๊ธฐ ๋‹จ๊ณ„์ด์ง€๋งŒ, ํ˜„ ์‹œ์ ์—์„œ Max์˜ ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ๋ฆฌํ…์…˜์œจ์ด ์–‘ํ˜ธํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Luis von Ahn

๋„ค. ์–ธ์–ด ์ฝ”์Šค์™€ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ๋Š” 148๊ฐœ์˜ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์–ธ์–ด ์ฝ”์Šค๋ฅผ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ๋Š” AI๋ฅผ ํ™œ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ์ œ์ž‘๋˜์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด 148๊ฐœ์˜ ์–ธ์–ด ์ฝ”์Šค๋ฅผ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์•ฝ 1๋…„์ด ์†Œ์š”๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ์ด์ „์˜ 100์—ฌ ๊ฐœ ์ฝ”์Šค๋ฅผ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ๋Š” ์•ฝ 12๋…„์ด ๊ฑธ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ์ •๋ง ๋†€๋ผ์šด ์†๋„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Now to clarify what these courses are, these are not new languages. So these are the same languages that we were teaching, but for other base languages. So for example, we used to โ€“ if you were a Portuguese speaker, you couldnโ€™t learn Korean. But now you can. So thatโ€™s the type of thing. Weโ€™re basically filling in all the gaps that we had. At this point, we are teaching all the major languages to the majority of the countries that we serve. So weโ€™re very happy with that. Weโ€™re still going to add other languages, likely. And thereโ€™s demand for that, but there really is diminishing returns. I mean, in total, different languages, we only teach about 40 of them.์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ฝ”์Šค๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ช…ํ™•ํžˆ ์„ค๋ช…๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ์ด๋Š” ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธฐ์กด์— ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋˜ ๋™์ผํ•œ ์–ธ์–ด๋“ค์„ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ํ•™์Šต์ž๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ์ด์ „์—๋Š” ํฌ๋ฅดํˆฌ๊ฐˆ์–ด ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๊ฐ€ ํ•œ๊ตญ์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•™์Šตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ด์ œ๋Š” ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๊ธฐ์กด์— ์žˆ๋˜ ๊ณต๋ฐฑ์„ ์ฑ„์›Œ๋‚˜๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์„œ๋น„์Šค๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š” ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€๋“ค์— ์ฃผ์š” ์–ธ์–ด๋“ค์„ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ต์œกํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์„œ, ์ด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งค์šฐ ๋งŒ์กฑํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ž์œผ๋กœ๋„ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ธ์–ด๋“ค์„ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•  ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์ด ์žˆ๊ณ  ์ˆ˜์š”๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ƒ ์ˆ˜์ต์ฒด๊ฐ์˜ ๋ฒ•์น™์ด ์ ์šฉ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „์ฒด์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ต์œกํ•˜๋Š” ์„œ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ธ์–ด๋Š” ์•ฝ 40๊ฐœ ์ •๋„์— ๋ถˆ๊ณผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And these 148 courses mainly pertain to about 8 of our top languages that now weโ€™re teaching in the different geographies. So thereโ€™s not that much in terms of new courses to add, but we are going to continue improving the courses that we have and also getting them to teach to more advanced levels. Operator

Our next question will come from Bryan Smilek with JPMorgan. Please unmute your audio, video and ask your question. Bryan Smilek

Great. Thanks for taking the questions. On daily active users, I mean, continue to see such strong and impressive growth rates, I believe last quarter, you had talked about mature regions growing still very strong.
์ด 148๊ฐœ์˜ ์ฝ”์Šค๋Š” ์ฃผ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ง€์—ญ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” 8๊ฐœ์˜ ์ฃผ์š” ์–ธ์–ด์™€ ๊ด€๋ จ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ฝ”์Šค๋ฅผ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•  ์—ฌ์ง€๋Š” ๋งŽ์ง€ ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ธฐ์กด ์ฝ”์Šค์˜ ํ’ˆ์งˆ์„ ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ๊ฐœ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋” ๊ณ ๊ธ‰ ์ˆ˜์ค€๊นŒ์ง€ ๊ต์œก์„ ํ™•๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋‚˜๊ฐˆ ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง„ํ–‰์ž

๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ JPMorgan์˜ Bryan Smilek๊ป˜์„œ ํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋””์˜ค์™€ ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์Œ์†Œ๊ฑฐ๋ฅผ ํ•ด์ œํ•˜์‹œ๊ณ  ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Bryan Smilek

๋„ค, ์งˆ๋ฌธ์˜ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ์ผ ํ™œ์„ฑ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž(DAU) ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ์ง€์†์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์ธ์ƒ์ ์ธ ์„ฑ์žฅ๋ฅ ์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹ ๋ฐ์š”, ์ง€๋‚œ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— ์„ฑ์ˆ™ ์‹œ์žฅ์—์„œ๋„ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ•ํ•œ ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์…จ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
So just curious, what are you seeing on the product optimization cycle thatโ€™s driving better resurrected user growth, anything that stands out to keep in mind there? And then secondarily and kind of related as well, more on the English learning side, still under-indexing towards English language learning, as you continue to scale course units published, add new content and efficacy over time, how should we think about user growth across English language learning and the opportunity longer term? Thank you. Luis von Ahn

Yes. Thank you, Bryan. In terms of DAUs, itโ€™s a similar story to last quarter. I mean weโ€™re getting very strong growth.
๋„ค, ์ œํ’ˆ ์ตœ์ ํ™” ์‚ฌ์ดํด์—์„œ ํœด๋ฉด ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž ์žฌํ™œ์„ฑํ™” ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ๊ฒฌ์ธํ•˜๋Š” ์š”์ธ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€, ํŠน๋ณ„ํžˆ ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ•  ๋งŒํ•œ ์ ์ด ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋กœ ์—ฐ๊ด€๋œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ธ๋ฐ์š”, ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์—์„œ๋Š” ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์„ฑ์žฅ ์ž ์žฌ๋ ฅ์ด ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํžˆ ๋ฐœํ˜„๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ, ๊ฐ•์ขŒ ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ๋Š˜๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ๋ฅผ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ง€๋‚ ์ˆ˜๋ก ํ•™์Šต ํšจ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐœ์„ ๋˜๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์—์„œ, ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์˜ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž ์„ฑ์žฅ๊ณผ ์žฅ๊ธฐ์  ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๋ฉด ์ข‹์„๊นŒ์š”? ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฃจ์ด์Šค ํฐ ์•ˆ

๋„ค, ๋ธŒ๋ผ์ด์–ธ๋‹˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. DAU(์ผ์ผ ํ™œ์„ฑ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž)์™€ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์ง€๋‚œ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ์™€ ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
I mean, we just posted a 49% year-over-year growth in DAUs, which to remind you, that is lapping the same quarter, but the year before was doing 60% year-over-year growth; and before that, another 60% year-over-year growth. So itโ€™s really growing quite fast. The growth is from all regions. Of course, some regions are growing faster than others, but really all of them are growing. And the same thing is true as last time. Some of our more mature markets are actually growing the fastest. So weโ€™re very happy with that. And what that tells us is that we really are not reaching the point of saturation in really any market.DAU๊ฐ€ ์ „๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ 49% ์„ฑ์žฅํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์„ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฐธ๊ณ ๋กœ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ์ด๋Š” ์ „๋…„๋„ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— 60%์˜ ์ „๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ ์„ฑ์žฅ๋ฅ ์„ ๊ธฐ๋กํ–ˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ ์ „ํ•ด์—๋„ 60%์˜ ์ „๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ ์„ฑ์žฅ๋ฅ ์„ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋น„๊ต๋˜๋Š” ์ˆ˜์น˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹ค๋กœ ๋งค์šฐ ๋น ๋ฅธ ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์„ฑ์žฅ์€ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ง€์—ญ์—์„œ ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์ผ๋ถ€ ์ง€์—ญ์ด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ง€์—ญ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์„ฑ์žฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ง€์—ญ์—์„œ ์„ฑ์žฅ์ด ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ง€๋‚œ๋ฒˆ๊ณผ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€๋กœ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋” ์„ฑ์ˆ™ํ•œ ์‹œ์žฅ๋“ค ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ์˜คํžˆ๋ ค ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋น ๋ฅธ ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งค์šฐ ๋งŒ์กฑ์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์‹ค์งˆ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์–ด๋–ค ์‹œ์žฅ์—์„œ๋„ ์•„์ง ํฌํ™”์ ์— ๋„๋‹ฌํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And itโ€™s because there really are โ€“ the total number of people learning a language in the world is about 2 billion, where we just posted 130 million active users. So thereโ€™s a lot of room for that. In terms of what drives the growth, itโ€™s the same story as has been. Two things drive our growth. One is product improvements and the product improvements basically get improved retention of the product and also get people to tell their friends, so word-of-mouth. And then the other thing that drives the growth is our excellent marketing campaigns. I mean this last quarter, you saw that we had this campaign where Duo owl faked his own death. We didnโ€™t know he was going to do that.์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„์ ์œผ๋กœ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•™์Šตํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ์ด ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์•ฝ 20์–ต ๋ช…์ธ๋ฐ ๋ฐ˜ํ•ด, ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ 1์–ต 3์ฒœ๋งŒ ๋ช…์˜ ํ™œ์„ฑ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์„ฑ์žฅํ•  ์—ฌ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์„ฑ์žฅ ๋™๋ ฅ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ๊ธฐ์กด๊ณผ ๋™์ผํ•œ ์š”์ธ๋“ค์ด ์ž‘์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์š”์†Œ๊ฐ€ ์ €ํฌ์˜ ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ๊ฒฌ์ธํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ์ œํ’ˆ ๊ฐœ์„ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œํ’ˆ ๊ฐœ์„ ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž ์œ ์ง€์œจ์ด ํ–ฅ์ƒ๋˜๊ณ , ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋“ค์ด ์ง€์ธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ถ”์ฒœํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์–ด ์ž…์†Œ๋ฌธ ํšจ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์„ฑ์žฅ ๋™๋ ฅ์€ ์ €ํฌ์˜ ํƒ์›”ํ•œ ๋งˆ์ผ€ํŒ… ์บ ํŽ˜์ธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€๋‚œ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— ์ง„ํ–‰๋œ ์บ ํŽ˜์ธ์„ ๋ณด์…จ์„ ํ…๋ฐ์š”, ๋‘์˜ค(Duo) ๋ถ€์—‰์ด๊ฐ€ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์ฃฝ์Œ์„ ์œ„์žฅํ•˜๋Š” ๋‚ด์šฉ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๋„ ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•  ์ค„์€ ๋ชฐ๋ž์ฃ .
This is a kind of quirky guy that decides to do this type of stuff. But that campaign, for example, got 1.7 billion impressions. And the cost of that campaign really was essentially nothing. So thatโ€™s whatโ€™s generating the growth. In terms of English learners, weโ€™re very excited by it. Weโ€™re still under-indexed, as you rightly said. If you look at language learning as a whole, 80% of the people that are learning a language are learning English. But on Duolingo, itโ€™s a little around 50%. That percentage is increasing, which is good and because English learners, in general, are growing faster than the rest of our growth. So we see a lot of potential there.์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋…ํŠนํ•œ ๋ฐฉ์‹์„ ์„ ํƒํ•˜๋Š” ํŠน์ดํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. ๊ทธ ์บ ํŽ˜์ธ์€ ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด 17์–ต ํšŒ์˜ ๋…ธ์ถœ์„ ๊ธฐ๋กํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ•ด๋‹น ์บ ํŽ˜์ธ์˜ ๋น„์šฉ์€ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ƒ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋“ค์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ๊ฒฌ์ธํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์š”์ธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž์™€ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๊ณ ๋ฌด์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ท€ํ•˜๊ป˜์„œ ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ์ง€์ ํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•„์ง ์‹œ์žฅ ์ ์œ ์œจ์ด ๋‚ฎ์€ ์ƒํƒœ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „์ฒด ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต ์‹œ์žฅ์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค ์ค‘ 80%๊ฐ€ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•™์Šตํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋“€์˜ค๋ง๊ณ ์—์„œ๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋น„์œจ์ด ์•ฝ 50% ์ •๋„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ๋น„์œจ์ด ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ์‹ ํ˜ธ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋“ค์ด ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์„ฑ์žฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด ๋ถ„์•ผ์—์„œ ํฐ ์ž ์žฌ๋ ฅ์„ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And just to remind everyone, the reason that English learners are now growing faster is because weโ€™ve added a lot of content for them, in particular, intermediate and advanced content. And thatโ€™s really helping us grow. Now one of the things that weโ€™ve said last time, and weโ€™re going to continue saying here is, itโ€™s going to take some time for this adoption to happen for English learners because the word got around. I mean the main way Duolingo grows is through word-of-mouth. And the word got around that we were mainly good for beginner English learners. And now that we have content for more intermediate and advanced learners, the word has to get around.๋ชจ๋‘์—๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ์ƒ๊ธฐ์‹œ์ผœ ๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ๋” ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋Š” ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์€ ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ , ํŠนํžˆ ์ค‘๊ธ‰ ๋ฐ ๊ณ ๊ธ‰ ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ๋ฅผ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ €ํฌ์˜ ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ์‹ค์งˆ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฒฌ์ธํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€๋‚œ๋ฒˆ์—๋„ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ ธ๊ณ  ์ด๋ฒˆ์—๋„ ๊ฐ•์กฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ์ ์€, ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋“ค์˜ ์ž…์žฅ์—์„œ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ์—๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๊ฑธ๋ฆด ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ๋“€์˜ค๋ง๊ณ ์˜ ์ฃผ์š” ์„ฑ์žฅ ๋™๋ ฅ์€ ์ž…์†Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋™์•ˆ์€ ๋“€์˜ค๋ง๊ณ ๊ฐ€ ์ฃผ๋กœ ์ดˆ๊ธ‰ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ ํ•ฉํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ์ธ์‹์ด ๋„๋ฆฌ ํผ์ ธ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ์ค‘๊ธ‰ ๋ฐ ๊ณ ๊ธ‰ ํ•™์Šต์ž๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ๋„ ๊ฐ–์ถ”๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ, ์ด ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด ๋„๋ฆฌ ์•Œ๋ ค์งˆ ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Weโ€™re trying to speed that up with some marketing initiatives. But generally, we expect that most of this is going to be word-of-mouth. And so in some time and I donโ€™t know what that timeframe is, but itโ€™s not months, itโ€™s probably years. We do expect that English learners are going to hopefully get to the 80%, but itโ€™s going to take some time. Bryan Smilek

Awesome. Thank you. And I guess just one quick follow-up on English learning. Could you share any insights on just overall conversion rates? And I mean, right, like how that would vary versus a Western world user? Anything would be super helpful? Thank you. Luis von Ahn

Yes.
์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๋งˆ์ผ€ํŒ… ์ด๋‹ˆ์…”ํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์†ํ™”ํ•˜๋ ค ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ, ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ์ž…์†Œ๋ฌธ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ •ํ™•ํ•œ ์‹œ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ ์–ด๋ ต์ง€๋งŒ, ์ˆ˜๊ฐœ์›”์ด ์•„๋‹Œ ์ˆ˜๋…„์ด ๊ฑธ๋ฆด ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋“ค์ด ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ 80%๊นŒ์ง€ ๋„๋‹ฌํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ข€ ๊ฑธ๋ฆด ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Bryan Smilek

์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋” ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ์ „ํ™˜์œจ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ค ์ธ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋ฅผ ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์„œ๊ตฌ๊ถŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž์™€ ๋น„๊ตํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์–ด๋–ค ์ฐจ์ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด๋–ค ์ •๋ณด๋“  ๋งค์šฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Luis von Ahn

๋„ค.
I mean, English learners, a lot of them are in regions that donโ€™t convert very well. Some of them are in regions that convert very well, for example, Japan. Japan converts very well. But if they are in low GDP per capita countries, they donโ€™t convert super well. However, we are seeing something really awesome with Duolingo Max. And it is that they really have โ€“ because Max really helps you try to practice conversation a lot more, there are a lot more interest in it. So weโ€™re seeing more adoption of Video Call with Lily by English learners than non-English learners. And weโ€™re also seeing that, like we said, 7% of our subscribers are paying for Max.์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋“ค์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ, ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋“ค์ด ์ „ํ™˜์œจ์ด ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ๋†’์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์ง€์—ญ์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์ผ๋ณธ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์ด ์ „ํ™˜์œจ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ๋†’์€ ์ง€์—ญ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ๋ณธ์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ „ํ™˜์œจ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ 1์ธ๋‹น GDP๊ฐ€ ๋‚ฎ์€ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€๋“ค์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š” ์ „ํ™˜์œจ์ด ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ๋†’์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋‘์˜ฌ๋ง๊ณ  ๋งฅ์Šค(Duolingo Max)์™€ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๊ณ ๋ฌด์ ์ธ ํ˜„์ƒ์ด ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งฅ์Šค๊ฐ€ ํšŒํ™” ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ๋„์™€์ฃผ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—, ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋“ค์˜ ๊ด€์‹ฌ๋„๊ฐ€ ๋งค์šฐ ๋†’์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋“ค์ด ๋น„์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋“ค๋ณด๋‹ค 'Video Call with Lily' ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ์„ ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ ์•ž์„œ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด, ๊ตฌ๋…์ž์˜ 7%๊ฐ€ ๋งฅ์Šค ์š”๊ธˆ์ œ๋ฅผ ์ด์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
But actually, if you restrict to English learners, that number is actually higher than 7% and non-English learners, thatโ€™s lower than 7%. So the average is 7%, but English learners โ€“ the fraction of subscribers that are English learners that are Max is higher than for non-English learners. So we like that. Bryan Smilek

Awesome. Thank you. Operator

Our next question comes from Justin Patterson with KeyBanc. Please unmute your audio, video and ask your question. Justin Patterson

Great. Thank you very much. It looks like cost optimizations are occurring faster than expected. Youโ€™ve got better line of sight on AI costs.
ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋“ค๋งŒ ๋†“๊ณ  ๋ณด๋ฉด ๊ทธ ๋น„์œจ์ด 7% ์ด์ƒ์ด๊ณ , ๋น„์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋Š” 7% ๋ฏธ๋งŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ‰๊ท ์ด 7%์ด์ง€๋งŒ, ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž ์ค‘ Max ๊ตฌ๋…์ž ๋น„์œจ์ด ๋น„์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ๋†’์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ถ”์„ธ๋ฅผ ๊ธ์ •์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

Bryan Smilek
์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์ง„ํ–‰์ž
๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ KeyBanc์˜ Justin Patterson ๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ํ•ด์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋””์˜ค์™€ ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์Œ์†Œ๊ฑฐ๋ฅผ ํ•ด์ œํ•˜์‹œ๊ณ  ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

Justin Patterson
๋„ค, ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„์šฉ ์ตœ์ ํ™”๊ฐ€ ์˜ˆ์ƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์ง„ํ–‰๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์ด๋ฉฐ, AI ๋น„์šฉ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์‹œ์„ฑ๋„ ๋” ์ข‹์•„์ง„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
How does that change just your desire to make Duo Max more affordable or even just provide more features to some of those English learners? And then related to that, the 3D Lily update for video call looks pretty interesting, talk about how you think thatโ€™s going to influence both engagement with Lily and conversion rates? Thank you. Matt Skaruppa

So I can take the first part and you can jump in on the next one. Yes, Justin, on the optimizations, itโ€™s actually, in our opinion, trending as we expected. So there were a little โ€“ there were some smaller optimizations that we were able to kind of do in Q1 that were faster than we expected, but they are pretty small.
๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด Duo Max๋ฅผ ๋” ์ €๋ ดํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ณ ์ž ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ท€์‚ฌ์˜ ์˜์ง€์— ์–ด๋–ค ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น˜๋Š”์ง€์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด์™€ ๊ด€๋ จํ•˜์—ฌ, ํ™”์ƒํ†ตํ™”๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ 3D Lily ์—…๋ฐ์ดํŠธ๊ฐ€ ๋งค์šฐ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์›Œ ๋ณด์ด๋Š”๋ฐ์š”, ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด Lily์™€์˜ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž ์ฐธ์—ฌ๋„์™€ ์ „ํ™˜์œจ์— ์–ด๋–ค ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜์‹œ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Matt Skaruppa

์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ต๋ณ€ ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ๋‹ค์Œ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ๊ท€ํ•˜๊ป˜์„œ ์ด์–ด์„œ ๋‹ต๋ณ€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๋ฉด ๋˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„ค, Justin๋‹˜, ์ตœ์ ํ™” ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ–ˆ๋˜ ๋Œ€๋กœ ์ง„ํ–‰๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 1๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ์˜ˆ์ƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ์†Œ๊ทœ๋ชจ ์ตœ์ ํ™” ์ž‘์—…๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ ๊ทœ๋ชจ๋Š” ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ์ž‘์€ ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
In general, the optimization of video call and Max is on trend with what we expected on the last call. And thatโ€™s good news for us because it does lead to margin expansion in the back half of the year like we thought. And we also saw evidence in the first quarter that rates were coming down for those type of API calls. So just in general, we feel confident with the current course and speed of those optimizations. Luis von Ahn

Yes. And related to Max cost, I should say, it is still the case that Max in certain countries like India, India is a good example, is too expensive. We have not lowered the price. Max in India is about $70 per year.
์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ, ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์ฝœ๊ณผ Max์˜ ์ตœ์ ํ™”๋Š” ์ง€๋‚œ ์‹ค์ ๋ฐœํ‘œ์—์„œ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ–ˆ๋˜ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ๊ณผ ์ผ์น˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ–ˆ๋˜ ๋Œ€๋กœ ํ•˜๋ฐ˜๊ธฐ์— ๋งˆ์ง„ ํ™•๋Œ€๋กœ ์ด์–ด์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ข‹์€ ์†Œ์‹์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ 1๋ถ„๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์œ ํ˜•์˜ API ํ˜ธ์ถœ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋น„์šฉ์ด ๊ฐ์†Œํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ™•์ธํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ตœ์ ํ™”์˜ ํ˜„์žฌ ์ง„ํ–‰ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ๊ณผ ์†๋„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Luis von Ahn

๋„ค, Max ๋น„์šฉ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ์ธ๋„์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ํŠน์ • ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์—์„œ๋Š” ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ Max๊ฐ€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋น„์‹ธ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์„ ์ง€์ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ธ๋„์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ์ข‹์€ ์˜ˆ์‹œ์ธ๋ฐ์š”, ์•„์ง ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์„ ์ธํ•˜ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ธ๋„์—์„œ Max์˜ ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ๊ตฌ๋…๋ฃŒ๋Š” ์•ฝ 70๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
We feel confident that probably in a few months, weโ€™ll be able to lower that price because prices are coming down. And at that point, weโ€™re going to see more adoption, but itโ€™s going to take a little bit of time. So thatโ€™s Max. In terms of 3D video call, weโ€™re super excited about it. It just โ€“ I mean, if you actually played with it and some users already have it, not everybody has it, itโ€™s a lot more engaging. Now you can start asking Lily about her dog, which you can see it right there and everything. So I think thatโ€™s going to increase engagement. And the good news about engagement is it increases a number of things. It increases word-of-mouth of Max itself.์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๋‹ฌ ์•ˆ์— ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์„ ์ธํ•˜ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์ด ํ•˜๋ฝ ์ถ”์„ธ์— ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์‹œ์ ์—์„œ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž ์ฑ„ํƒ์ด ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์–ด๋А ์ •๋„ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ƒ์ด Max์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์„ค๋ช…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

3D ํ™”์ƒ ํ†ตํ™”์™€ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ๋Š”, ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๊ณ ๋ฌด์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ด ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ด๋ณด์‹  ๋ถ„๋“ค์€ ์•„์‹œ๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ - ์•„์ง ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๊ฐ€ ์ด์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ - ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋ชฐ์ž…๊ฐ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ํ™”๋ฉด์—์„œ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๋ณด์ด๋Š” Lily์˜ ๊ฐ•์•„์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•ด์กŒ์ฃ . ์ด๋Š” ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž ์ฐธ์—ฌ๋„๋ฅผ ๋†’์ผ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ฐธ์—ฌ๋„๊ฐ€ ๋†’์•„์ง„๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ํšจ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜ต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, Max ์ž์ฒด์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ž…์†Œ๋ฌธ์ด ๋Š˜์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ํšจ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
So basically, people are like, you should get Max. I know youโ€™re a Duolingo user, but you should get Max because you can talk to Lily. It also, of course, increases retention. So itโ€™s just generally going to be good. I donโ€™t know exactly what the results are going to be of the A/B test. I mean this is an A/B test at the moment, but we are pretty excited about it. Operator

Our next question will come from Nathan Feather with Morgan Stanley. Please unmute your audio, video and ask your question. Nathan Feather

Hey, everyone. Thanks so much for the question. Really encouraging results. Itโ€™s exciting to see the expansion and additional language courses.
๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ Max๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ๋…ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ท€ํ•˜๊ป˜์„œ Duolingo ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž์ด์‹  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ์ง€๋งŒ, Lily์™€ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— Max๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ๋…ํ•˜์‹œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์ด๋Š” ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž ์œ ์ง€์œจ๋„ ๋†’์—ฌ์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ํšจ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. A/B ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ์˜ ์ •ํ™•ํ•œ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋Š” ์•„์ง ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ A/B ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ง„ํ–‰ ์ค‘์ด์ง€๋งŒ, ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์ง„ํ–‰์ž:
๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ Morgan Stanley์˜ Nathan Feather ๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ํ•ด์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ์„ฑ๊ณผ ๋น„๋””์˜ค๋ฅผ ์ผœ์‹œ๊ณ  ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

Nathan Feather:
์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”, ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„. ์งˆ๋ฌธ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งค์šฐ ๊ณ ๋ฌด์ ์ธ ์‹ค์  ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋„ค์š”. ์–ธ์–ด ๊ณผ์ • ํ™•์žฅ๊ณผ ์ถ”๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
But given that there is a diminishing return at the additional languages, do you ever think your relative prioritization list for new content production now between further language courses, more advanced content, new subjects? Luis von Ahn

Yes. In terms of relative prioritization, I mean, at the moment, of course, language learning is our largest business and it is growing very fast. So the majority of our efforts still go into that. Now in terms of creating content, we may not be adding new languages, but weโ€™re always improving the content for the languages that we have and making it more and more advanced.
ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ์–ธ์–ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ˆ˜์ต์„ฑ์ด ์ ์ฐจ ๊ฐ์†Œํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•  ๋•Œ, ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ  ์ œ์ž‘์— ์žˆ์–ด ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ์–ธ์–ด ๊ณผ์ •, ๋” ๊ณ ๊ธ‰ ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ , ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ฃผ์ œ ๊ฐ„์˜ ์ƒ๋Œ€์  ์šฐ์„ ์ˆœ์œ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? Luis von Ahn

๋„ค. ์ƒ๋Œ€์  ์šฐ์„ ์ˆœ์œ„ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ํ˜„์žฌ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ด ์ €ํฌ์˜ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ์‚ฌ์—… ๋ถ„์•ผ์ด๋ฉฐ ๋งค์šฐ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์„ฑ์žฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ €ํฌ ๋…ธ๋ ฅ์˜ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์ด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์— ์ง‘์ค‘๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ  ์ œ์ž‘ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ๋Š” ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ธฐ์กด ์–ธ์–ด๋“ค์˜ ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ๋ฅผ ์ง€์†์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐœ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋”์šฑ ๊ณ ๋„ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ์ž‘์—…์„ ๊ณ„์†ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And whatโ€™s nice about this is because we now have this pipeline on AI, we can actually regenerate the content super fast, but in an improved manner. So youโ€™ll just see us improve things a lot. And it pays to live. So for example, youโ€™ll see us improve our Spanish course, which is one of our largest courses and people all over the world will be able to learn Spanish faster. We are, of course, also investing in math and music and chess. Weโ€™re spending less effort on that because they are much smaller businesses than language learning.๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ณ ๋ฌด์ ์ธ ์ ์€ ์ด์ œ AI ํŒŒ์ดํ”„๋ผ์ธ์„ ๋ณด์œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ๋ฅผ ๋งค์šฐ ์‹ ์†ํ•˜๊ฒŒ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์žฌ์ƒ์„ฑํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฐœ์„ ์ด ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ์‹ค์‹œ๊ฐ„์œผ๋กœ ํšจ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ฐœํœ˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ์ €ํฌ์˜ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ๊ฐ•์ขŒ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ธ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด ๊ณผ์ •์„ ๊ฐœ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋” ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•™์Šตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ˆ˜ํ•™, ์Œ์•…, ์ฒด์Šค ๋ถ„์•ผ์—๋„ ํˆฌ์žํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค๋งŒ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋ถ„์•ผ๋“ค์€ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ๋น„ํ•ด ๊ทœ๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ํ›จ์”ฌ ์ž‘์€ ์‚ฌ์—…์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ƒ๋Œ€์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ ์€ ๋…ธ๋ ฅ์„ ํˆฌ์ž…ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
But youโ€™ll see us โ€“ for example, for math, youโ€™ll see us vastly increase the content because of AI within the next few months, the content is probably going to quadruple that we have in math because of AI in, call it, I donโ€™t know, a quarter or so. Nathan Feather

Very helpful. Thank you. Operator

Our next question will come from Arvind Ramnani with Piper Sandler. Please unmute your audio, video and ask your question. Arvind Ramnani

Hi. Thanks, Luis. Thanks, Matt. Luis von Ahn

Good background. Arvind Ramnani

I love it too. Luis von Ahn

Well done. Arvind Ramnani

I use it for all my calls, all my Zoom calls. Luis von Ahn

Yes, I believe you.
์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์ˆ˜ํ•™ ๊ณผ๋ชฉ์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ, AI๋ฅผ ํ™œ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ๋ช‡ ๋‹ฌ ์•ˆ์— ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ๋ฅผ ๋Œ€ํญ ํ™•๋Œ€ํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•œ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์ •๋„๋ฉด AI๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ˆ˜ํ•™ ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ๊ฐ€ ์•ฝ 4๋ฐฐ ์ •๋„ ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Nathan Feather

๋งค์šฐ ์œ ์ตํ•œ ๋‹ต๋ณ€์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง„ํ–‰์ž

๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ Piper Sandler์˜ Arvind Ramnani ๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋””์˜ค์™€ ๋น„๋””์˜ค๋ฅผ ์ผœ์‹œ๊ณ  ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Arvind Ramnani

์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”. Luis๋‹˜, Matt๋‹˜ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Luis von Ahn

๋ฐฐ๊ฒฝ์ด ๋ฉ‹์ง€๋„ค์š”. Arvind Ramnani

์ €๋„ ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Luis von Ahn

์ž˜ ํ•˜์…จ๋„ค์š”. Arvind Ramnani

๋ชจ๋“  ํ™”์ƒ ํ†ตํ™”์™€ Zoom ๋ฏธํŒ…์—์„œ ์ด ๋ฐฐ๊ฒฝ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Luis von Ahn

๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ์‹  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๋„ค์š”.
Arvind Ramnani

Look, I mean, you launched math and music back in 2023. Now youโ€™re launching chess. And Iโ€™m really trying to better understand your business strategy. I mean I fully appreciate that the investment costs are minimal. Even with math, I believe it was with just a couple of engineers. And I appreciate that part of the equation. But also over the past couple of years, youโ€™ve insisted that donโ€™t look at math and music, and I know chess is going to be free, donโ€™t look at it as a monetization lever. But there is clearly like a kind of a business strategy for expanding product. Iโ€™m just trying to get a clear understanding of that? Luis von Ahn

Yes.
Arvind Ramnani (์•„๋นˆ๋“œ ๋žŒ๋‚˜๋‹ˆ)

๋ณด์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, 2023๋…„์— ์ˆ˜ํ•™๊ณผ ์Œ์•…์„ ์ถœ์‹œํ•˜์…จ๊ณ , ์ด์ œ ์ฒด์Šค๋ฅผ ์ถœ์‹œํ•˜์‹œ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. ์ €๋Š” ๊ท€์‚ฌ์˜ ์‚ฌ์—… ์ „๋žต์„ ๋” ์ž˜ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ณ ์ž ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํˆฌ์ž ๋น„์šฉ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ์ ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์€ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํžˆ ์ดํ•ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ˆ˜ํ•™์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋„ ๋‹จ ๋ช‡ ๋ช…์˜ ์—”์ง€๋‹ˆ์–ด๋งŒ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ์ž˜ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ง€๋‚œ ๋ช‡ ๋…„๊ฐ„ ๊ท€์‚ฌ๋Š” ์ˆ˜ํ•™๊ณผ ์Œ์•…์„ ์ˆ˜์ตํ™” ์ˆ˜๋‹จ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์ง€ ๋ง๋ผ๊ณ  ๊ฐ•์กฐํ•ด ์˜ค์…จ๊ณ , ์ฒด์Šค๋„ ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ๋กœ ์ œ๊ณต๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ์—๋„ ๋ถˆ๊ตฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์ œํ’ˆ ํ™•์žฅ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํ•œ ์‚ฌ์—… ์ „๋žต์ด ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ์š”. ์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

Luis von Ahn (๋ฃจ์ด์Šค ํฐ ์•ˆ)

๋„ค.
To clarify one thing, all of our new subjects, math, music and chess, when it launches, which is going to happen in a few days, they all have monetization. They do make us money. And itโ€™s because the same subscription works for everything. And if youโ€™re not subscribed and youโ€™re doing math, you have to see ads at the end of a math lesson and all the standard things that get you to subscribe will get you to subscribe. So we do get subscriptions from people who are using math or people who are using music. And soon, it will be people who are using chess.ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋ช…ํ™•ํžˆ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ์ €ํฌ์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ์‹ ๊ทœ ๊ณผ๋ชฉ์ธ ์ˆ˜ํ•™, ์Œ์•…, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฉฐ์น  ํ›„ ์ถœ์‹œ๋  ์ฒด์Šค ๊ณผ์ • ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ˆ˜์ตํ™”๊ฐ€ ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ณผ๋ชฉ๋“ค์€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ˆ˜์ต์„ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์ด์œ ๋Š” ๋™์ผํ•œ ๊ตฌ๋…๊ถŒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ๋ฅผ ์ด์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ตฌ๋…ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๊ฐ€ ์ˆ˜ํ•™ ๊ณผ์ •์„ ํ•™์Šตํ•  ๊ฒฝ์šฐ, ์ˆ˜ํ•™ ์ˆ˜์—…์ด ๋๋‚  ๋•Œ ๊ด‘๊ณ ๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ๊ตฌ๋… ์ „ํ™˜์„ ์œ ๋„ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ๋ฐฉ์‹๋“ค์ด ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ ์šฉ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ˆ˜ํ•™ ๊ณผ์ •์„ ์ด์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋“ค์ด๋‚˜ ์Œ์•… ๊ณผ์ •์„ ์ด์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋“ค๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๊ตฌ๋… ์ˆ˜์ต์„ ์–ป๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ณง ์ฒด์Šค๋ฅผ ์ด์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋“ค๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ๋„ ๊ตฌ๋… ์ˆ˜์ต์ด ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
But they are proportional to the number of daily active users that we have in those subjects, which is significantly smaller than language learning. Now theyโ€™re growing. The good news is these new subjects are growing a lot faster than language learning. And now they have millions of daily active users. So there is some monetization there. Itโ€™s just weโ€™re not breaking it out yet. But in general, the strategy is really to become not just a language learning app, but an app that teaches you subjects that take a long time to learn, and these are all going to be subjects that hundreds of millions of people want to learn and that take a long time to learn and that are also good for the world.ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ณผ๋ชฉ๋“ค์˜ ์ˆ˜์ต์€ ํ•ด๋‹น ๊ณผ๋ชฉ๋“ค์˜ ์ผ์ผ ํ™œ์„ฑ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž ์ˆ˜์— ๋น„๋ก€ํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ๋น„ํ•ด ํ˜„์ €ํžˆ ์ ์€ ์ˆ˜์ค€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹คํ–‰ํžˆ๋„ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ณผ๋ชฉ๋“ค์€ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต๋ณด๋‹ค ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋น ๋ฅธ ์†๋„๋กœ ์„ฑ์žฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ ์ด๋“ค ๊ณผ๋ชฉ์€ ์ˆ˜๋ฐฑ๋งŒ ๋ช…์˜ ์ผ์ผ ํ™œ์„ฑ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋ฅผ ๋ณด์œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด ์–ด๋А ์ •๋„์˜ ์ˆ˜์ตํ™”๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค๋งŒ ์•„์ง์€ ์ด๋ฅผ ๋ณ„๋„๋กœ ๊ตฌ๋ถ„ํ•˜์—ฌ ๊ณต๊ฐœํ•˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ์ „๋žต์€ ๋‹จ์ˆœํ•œ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต ์•ฑ์„ ๋„˜์–ด์„œ, ์Šต๋“ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์˜ค๋žœ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๊ฑธ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ณผ๋ชฉ๋“ค์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์•ฑ์ด ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ˆ˜์–ต ๋ช…์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด ํ•˜๊ณ , ์ˆ™๋‹ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ๋™์‹œ์— ์„ธ์ƒ์— ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น˜๋Š” ๊ณผ๋ชฉ๋“ค์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
We believe that getting better at math, getting better at music, getting better at chess are all things that make people smarter and are good for the world. So thatโ€™s the strategy at the moment, and weโ€™re very excited. But weโ€™ve known โ€“ and you are right, weโ€™ve been kind of cautioning people, we know that it takes a while to grow each of these subjects. I mean it took us 10 years to grow language learning to a big scale. So it takes a while to grow these subjects, but we are very happy with the growth so far for them. Arvind Ramnani

Perfect. And just a quick follow-up, whatโ€™s the sort of like common theme in learners?
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ˆ˜ํ•™, ์Œ์•…, ์ฒด์Šค ์‹ค๋ ฅ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ชจ๋‘ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๋” ๋˜‘๋˜‘ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ  ์„ธ์ƒ์— ๋„์›€์ด ๋œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ˜„์žฌ ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ „๋žต์ด๋ฉฐ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ  - ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๋Œ€๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ณ„์† ์ฃผ์˜๋ฅผ ํ™˜๊ธฐ์‹œ์ผœ ์™”๋“ฏ์ด, ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ฐ๊ฐ์˜ ๊ณผ๋ชฉ๋“ค์„ ์„ฑ์žฅ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๋ฐ๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๊ฑธ๋ฆฐ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์„ ๋Œ€๊ทœ๋ชจ๋กœ ์„ฑ์žฅ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๋ฐ๋„ 10๋…„์ด ๊ฑธ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ณผ๋ชฉ๋“ค์„ ์„ฑ์žฅ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๋ฐ๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€์˜ ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๋งŒ์กฑํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์•„๋ฅด๋นˆ๋“œ ๋žŒ๋‚˜๋‹ˆ:
์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ํ›„์† ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ธ๋ฐ์š”, ํ•™์Šต์ž๋“ค ์‚ฌ์ด์—์„œ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌ๋˜๋Š” ๊ณตํ†ต์ ์ธ ํŠน์ง•์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
I mean I listened to an interview a couple of weeks back where you talked about youโ€™re looking for large markets and all of that. But is there a common thread where like the person who learns math is also learning music or learning, whatโ€™s the common thread? Luis von Ahn

There is definitely overlap in all of our subjects between them. The general common thread is people who want to improve themselves in one way or another and who used to โ€“ probably a lot of these people used to spend all of their time on playing either mobile games or doomscrolling on social media, and now they are spending some of that time improving themselves either by getting better at math or music or languages.
๋ช‡ ์ฃผ ์ „์— ๊ท€ํ•˜๊ป˜์„œ ํฐ ์‹œ์žฅ์„ ์ฐพ๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋“ฑ์˜ ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ˆ˜ํ•™์„ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์Œ์•…๋„ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋“ ์ง€ ํ•˜๋Š”, ์–ด๋–ค ๊ณตํ†ต๋œ ํŠน์ง•์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? Luis von Ahn

๋„ค, ์ €ํฌ์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ณผ๋ชฉ๋“ค ์‚ฌ์ด์—๋Š” ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ์ค‘๋ณต๋˜๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ๊ณตํ†ต์ ์€ ์–ด๋–ค ์‹์œผ๋กœ๋“  ์ž๊ธฐ ๊ณ„๋ฐœ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ ์ž ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ „์—๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ๋ชจ๋ฐ”์ผ ๊ฒŒ์ž„์„ ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์†Œ์…œ ๋ฏธ๋””์–ด์—์„œ ๋ฌด์˜๋ฏธํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์ผ์„ ํ…๋ฐ, ์ด์ œ๋Š” ๊ทธ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜ํ•™์ด๋‚˜ ์Œ์•…, ๋˜๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋ฉด์„œ ์ž๊ธฐ ๊ณ„๋ฐœ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
I mean thatโ€™s a common theme, and thereโ€™s some overlap between them. Itโ€™s not 100% overlap, there is many users only learn one thing. But quite a few users are learning multiple of our subjects, including multiple of our languages. Arvind Ramnani

Perfect. Thank you. Operator

Our next question comes from Wyatt Swanson with D.A. Davidson. Please unmute your audio, video and ask your question. Wyatt Swanson

Hey, guys. Just kind of following up on chess here, could you provide details around time line and plans for rolling out the course to more usersโ€™ devices? At what point do you think it will be widely available?
๋„ค, ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๊ณตํ†ต๋œ ์ฃผ์ œ์ด๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค ์‚ฌ์ด์— ์–ด๋А ์ •๋„ ์ค‘๋ณต์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 100% ์ค‘๋ณต๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ณ , ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋“ค์ด ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋งŒ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ƒ๋‹น์ˆ˜์˜ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋“ค์ด ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ณผ๋ชฉ์„, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ•™์Šตํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์•„๋ฅด๋นˆ๋“œ ๋žŒ๋‚˜๋‹ˆ

์™„๋ฒฝํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ง„ํ–‰์ž

๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ D.A. Davidson์˜ ์™€์ด์–ดํŠธ ์Šค์™„์Šจ ๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋””์˜ค์™€ ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์Œ์†Œ๊ฑฐ๋ฅผ ํ•ด์ œํ•˜์‹œ๊ณ  ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์™€์ด์–ดํŠธ ์Šค์™„์Šจ

์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ์ฒด์Šค ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž ๊ธฐ๊ธฐ์— ํ•ด๋‹น ์ฝ”์Šค๋ฅผ ์ถœ์‹œํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ผ์ •๊ณผ ๊ณ„ํš์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”? ์–ธ์ œ์ฏค ๊ด‘๋ฒ”์œ„ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ด์šฉ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
And what are your plans around driving engagement and making it well known that you also teach chess? And then just looking out a little bit further, how do you expect it to contribute to engagement revenue 12 to 18 months or even further down the line? Luis von Ahn

Yes. Thanks for the question. Okay. So chess, I literally, a few minutes ago, promised the product manager of the chess team that I would not give a specific date, but it really is in the next few weeks. Itโ€™s like very soon. It will be there. It will first be on iPhones and then soon after, it will be on Android phones. By the end of the year, this will be widely available to everybody.
๋„ค, ์ฒด์Šค ๊ด€๋ จ ์ฐธ์—ฌ๋„ ์ œ๊ณ ์™€ ์ฒด์Šค ๊ต์œก ์„œ๋น„์Šค ์ธ์ง€๋„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ณ„ํš์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ–ฅํ›„ 12-18๊ฐœ์›” ํ˜น์€ ๊ทธ ์ด์ƒ์˜ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ์ฐธ์—ฌ๋„์™€ ๋งค์ถœ์— ์–ด๋–ค ๊ธฐ์—ฌ๋ฅผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜์‹œ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๋ฃจ์ด์Šค ํฐ ์•ˆ

๋„ค, ์งˆ๋ฌธ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฒด์Šค์™€ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ๋Š”, ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด ๋ถˆ๊ณผ ๋ช‡ ๋ถ„ ์ „์— ์ฒด์Šค ํŒ€ ํ”„๋กœ๋•ํŠธ ๋งค๋‹ˆ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ์ถœ์‹œ์ผ์€ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ฒ ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์•ฝ์†ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ, ์ •๋ง ๋ช‡ ์ฃผ ์•ˆ์— ์ถœ์‹œ๋  ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งค์šฐ ์ž„๋ฐ•ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ณด์‹œ๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋จผ์ € ์•„์ดํฐ์—์„œ ์„œ๋น„์Šค๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ณ , ๊ณง์ด์–ด ์•ˆ๋“œ๋กœ์ด๋“œ ํฐ์—์„œ๋„ ์ด์šฉ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•ด์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฐ๋ง๊นŒ์ง€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๊ฐ€ ๊ด‘๋ฒ”์œ„ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ด์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
In terms of how weโ€™re going to get the word across, itโ€™s kind of similar to math and music. Most of it is word-of-mouth, but weโ€™re going to speed it up with our marketing. Certainly, youโ€™ll probably see a lot of kind of TikTok or Instagram videos of our owl mascot doing unhinged things related to chess. So thatโ€™s going to get the word out. Weโ€™re probably going to test our different โ€“ weโ€™re going to point our marketing engine towards this and including also towards math and music. So I think weโ€™re going to see quite a bit of growth from this for these new subjects. In terms of the contribution of chess, itโ€™s similar to math and music.ํ™๋ณด ๋ฐฉ์•ˆ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ์ˆ˜ํ•™๊ณผ ์Œ์•… ๊ณผ์ •์—์„œ ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ์ ‘๊ทผ๋ฒ•์„ ์ทจํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ์ž…์†Œ๋ฌธ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ด์ง€๋งŒ, ๋งˆ์ผ€ํŒ…์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ด ๊ณผ์ •์„ ๊ฐ€์†ํ™”ํ•  ๊ณ„ํš์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ํ‹ฑํ†ก์ด๋‚˜ ์ธ์Šคํƒ€๊ทธ๋žจ์—์„œ ์ €ํฌ ๋ถ€์—‰์ด ๋งˆ์Šค์ฝ”ํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์ฒด์Šค์™€ ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ๋…ํŠนํ•œ ํ–‰๋™์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ์˜์ƒ๋“ค์„ ๋งŽ์ด ๋ณด์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ธ์ง€๋„๋ฅผ ๋†’์ผ ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋งˆ์ผ€ํŒ… ์ „๋žต์„ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ด๋ฉฐ, ๋งˆ์ผ€ํŒ… ์—ญ๋Ÿ‰์„ ์ฒด์Šค๋Š” ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์ˆ˜ํ•™๊ณผ ์Œ์•… ๋ถ„์•ผ์—๋„ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ณผ๋ชฉ๋“ค์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ์ด๋ฃฐ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฒด์Šค๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜ฌ ์ˆ˜์ต ๊ธฐ์—ฌ๋„๋Š” ์ˆ˜ํ•™๊ณผ ์Œ์•… ๊ณผ์ •๊ณผ ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์ „๋ง๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
There is a business there, as in already people are going to be โ€“ as soon as we launch it, people are going to be able to pay for a subscription for chess and that removes the ads and thus all the things that a subscription does. So there is going to be a contribution there. But it will depend on the daily active users. And like I said in the previous answer, it takes time for daily active users of a given subject to grow from zero. So I donโ€™t really know what the contribution is going to be in 12 months. But compared to language learning, itโ€™s probably going to be small. Wyatt Swanson

Got it. Okay. Thank you guys. Operator

Our next question will come from Edison Kai [ph] with Citic.
์ด๋ฏธ ์‚ฌ์—…์„ฑ์ด ์กด์žฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ถœ์‹œํ•˜์ž๋งˆ์ž ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ฒด์Šค ๊ตฌ๋… ์„œ๋น„์Šค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋น„์šฉ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ , ์ด๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ๊ด‘๊ณ ๊ฐ€ ์ œ๊ฑฐ๋˜๋Š” ๋“ฑ ๊ตฌ๋… ์„œ๋น„์Šค๊ฐ€ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ํ˜œํƒ์„ ๋ฐ›์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ˆ˜์ต ๊ธฐ์—ฌ๋„๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๋Š” ์ผ์ผ ํ™œ์„ฑ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž ์ˆ˜(DAU)์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‹ฌ๋ผ์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ž์„œ ๋‹ต๋ณ€๋“œ๋ฆฐ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ํŠน์ • ์ฃผ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ผ์ผ ํ™œ์„ฑ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๊ฐ€ ์ œ๋กœ์—์„œ ์„ฑ์žฅํ•˜๊ธฐ๊นŒ์ง€๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๊ฑธ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ 12๊ฐœ์›” ํ›„์˜ ์ •ํ™•ํ•œ ์ˆ˜์ต ๊ธฐ์—ฌ๋„๋Š” ํ˜„์žฌ๋กœ์„œ๋Š” ์˜ˆ์ธกํ•˜๊ธฐ ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค๋งŒ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต ๋ถ€๋ฌธ๊ณผ ๋น„๊ตํ•˜๋ฉด ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ทœ๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ์ž‘์„ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์™€์ด์–ดํŠธ ์Šค์™„์Šจ

์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์ง„ํ–‰์ž

๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ์‹œํ‹ฐํฌ์˜ ์—๋””์Šจ ์นด์ด[๋ฐœ์Œ๊ธฐํ˜ธ]๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ํ•ด์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Please unmute your audio, video and ask your question. Unidentified Analyst

Hi, Luis. Itโ€™s great to see such a strong performance given that itโ€™s really early in China right now, but very good performance. And I do have one question on marketing campaign and the market depth that youโ€™re diving into because last quarter, you talked about how your marketing campaign is shifting from growing the user base into more like to let the users know how your in-depth English content is growing. And now you are doing chess content, which I think is another like [indiscernible] given that there are already mature service providers like Chess.com.
๋„ค, ์Œ์†Œ๊ฑฐ์™€ ๋น„๋””์˜ค๋ฅผ ํ•ด์ œํ•˜์‹œ๊ณ  ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ต๋ช…์˜ ์• ๋„๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ

์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”, Luis๋‹˜. ์ค‘๊ตญ์—์„œ๋Š” ์•„์ง ์ดˆ๊ธฐ ๋‹จ๊ณ„์ž„์—๋„ ๋ถˆ๊ตฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ์‹ค์ ์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹๋„ค์š”. ๋งˆ์ผ€ํŒ… ์บ ํŽ˜์ธ๊ณผ ์‹œ์žฅ ์นจํˆฌ ์ „๋žต์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€๋‚œ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ๊ท€์‚ฌ์˜ ๋งˆ์ผ€ํŒ… ์บ ํŽ˜์ธ์ด ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜ ํ™•๋Œ€์—์„œ ์‹ฌ์ธต์ ์ธ ์˜์–ด ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ  ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์•Œ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์œผ๋กœ ์ „ํ™˜๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด์ œ Chess.com๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์„ฑ์ˆ™ํ•œ ์„œ๋น„์Šค ์ œ๊ณต์—…์ฒด๋“ค์ด ์ด๋ฏธ ์กด์žฌํ•˜๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์—์„œ ์ฒด์Šค ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹ ๋ฐ, ์ด๊ฒƒ๋„ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ [์•Œ์•„๋“ค์„ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Œ]์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
So how do you think that your marketing campaign and user base growth is going to shift from current situation given youโ€™re diving deeper into the market in both language learning and the new markets like chess playing, which is more competitive. So I would like to know more about that? Luis von Ahn

Yes. Thanks for the question. Okay. So our marketing, whatโ€™s amazing about our marketing is that itโ€™s incredibly efficient. I mean most of our marketing efforts are social media efforts, either on TikTok or Instagram or different social media sites, including Chinese sites.
๋„ค, ์งˆ๋ฌธ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ ๋งˆ์ผ€ํŒ…์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ•  ๋งŒํ•œ ์ ์€ ๋งˆ์ผ€ํŒ… ํšจ์œจ์„ฑ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ๋›ฐ์–ด๋‚˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ ๋งˆ์ผ€ํŒ… ํ™œ๋™์˜ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ์†Œ์…œ ๋ฏธ๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, TikTok์ด๋‚˜ Instagram, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ค‘๊ตญ ํ”Œ๋žซํผ์„ ํฌํ•จํ•œ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์†Œ์…œ ๋ฏธ๋””์–ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋“ค์„ ํ™œ์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

Note: The translation maintains the casual yet professional tone of the speaker while accurately conveying the business context. Key terms like "๋งˆ์ผ€ํŒ… ํšจ์œจ์„ฑ" (marketing efficiency) and "์†Œ์…œ ๋ฏธ๋””์–ด" (social media) are preserved as standard Korean business terminology. The response keeps the direct and straightforward nature of the original while adapting it to sound natural in Korean.
And we basically have a really good playbook for doing this type of marketing on social media where we donโ€™t spend very much money. The majority of our efforts are going to continue in the same way that they have been so far, which is making content that goes viral. Almost every single day, some content related to Duolingo, either made by us or made by our audience, goes viral. And by that, I mean it gets millions of views. That will continue, and we are not going to stop investing in that.์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์†Œ์…œ ๋ฏธ๋””์–ด์—์„œ ๋งŽ์€ ๋น„์šฉ์„ ๋“ค์ด์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ ๋„ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋งˆ์ผ€ํŒ…์„ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ํšจ๊ณผ์ ์ธ ํ”Œ๋ ˆ์ด๋ถ์„ ๋ณด์œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ์˜ ์ฃผ์š” ๋…ธ๋ ฅ์€ ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ํ•ด์™”๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ฐ”์ด๋Ÿด๋กœ ํผ์ง€๋Š” ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ๋ฅผ ์ œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๊ณ„์† ์ง‘์ค‘๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋งค์ผ ๋‘์˜ฌ๋ง๊ณ  ๊ด€๋ จ ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ๊ฐ€ - ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ์ œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ๋“  ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋“ค์ด ์ œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ๋“  - ๋ฐ”์ด๋Ÿด์ด ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”์ด๋Ÿด์ด ๋œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ˆ˜๋ฐฑ๋งŒ ๋ทฐ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์˜๋ฏธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ถ”์„ธ๋Š” ๊ณ„์†๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํˆฌ์ž๋ฅผ ์ค‘๋‹จํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Additionally, what I mentioned last quarter is, if we are trying to get things like the word out that Duolingo is now good for more advanced English learners, we are probably going to do some things related to that. This includes things like influencers. And it also includes things in certain geographies, for example, in Japan, where we ran a TV campaign that actually had a Video Call with Lily. So, you will see us do stuff like that, but the majority of our efforts will continue being kind of the owl doing unhinged things. And when it comes to things like chess, probably the owl will do unhinged things related to chess. And I think that will get the word out that we teach chess.๋˜ํ•œ ์ง€๋‚œ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด, ๋“€์˜ค๋ง๊ณ ๊ฐ€ ์ด์ œ ๊ณ ๊ธ‰ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ์ ํ•ฉํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์„ ์•Œ๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ํ™œ๋™์„ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ์ธํ”Œ๋ฃจ์–ธ์„œ ๋งˆ์ผ€ํŒ…์ด ํฌํ•จ๋˜๋ฉฐ, ํŠน์ • ์ง€์—ญ์—์„œ์˜ ํ™œ๋™๋„ ํฌํ•จ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ์ผ๋ณธ์—์„œ๋Š” ๋ฆด๋ฆฌ์™€์˜ ํ™”์ƒํ†ตํ™”๋ฅผ ํฌํ•จํ•œ TV ์บ ํŽ˜์ธ์„ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ํ™œ๋™๋“ค์„ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•˜๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ €ํฌ์˜ ์ฃผ์š” ๋งˆ์ผ€ํŒ… ๋…ธ๋ ฅ์€ ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ๋ถ€์—‰์ด ์บ๋ฆญํ„ฐ์˜ ํŒŒ๊ฒฉ์ ์ธ ํ–‰๋™์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์ด์–ด์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฒด์Šค์™€ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€๋กœ, ๋ถ€์—‰์ด๊ฐ€ ์ฒด์Šค์™€ ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ํŒŒ๊ฒฉ์ ์ธ ํ–‰๋™์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ค„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ์ฒด์Šค๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์นœ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ์•Œ๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Unidentified Analyst

Got it. Thank you. Operator

Our next question comes from Alex Sklar with Raymond James. Please un-mute your audio/video and ask your question. Alex Sklar

Alright. Thank you all. Luis, just starting off on packaging across your tiers, you have talked about testing pricing and also potentially moving some certain features across the tiers. What have you kind of learned so far this year from those tests? How are you thinking about it? And any change in terms of new features still to come, including those in the premium version versus wanting to put them in one of the paid plans? Luis von Ahn

Yes, great question.
์ต๋ช…์˜ ์• ๋„๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ

์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์ง„ํ–‰์ž

๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ๋ ˆ์ด๋ชฌ๋“œ ์ œ์ž„์Šค์˜ ์•Œ๋ ‰์Šค ์Šคํด๋ผ ๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋””์˜ค/๋น„๋””์˜ค ์Œ์†Œ๊ฑฐ๋ฅผ ํ•ด์ œํ•˜์‹œ๊ณ  ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์•Œ๋ ‰์Šค ์Šคํด๋ผ

๋„ค, ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฃจ์ด์Šค ๋‹˜, ์šฐ์„  ๊ฐ ๋“ฑ๊ธ‰๋ณ„ ํŒจํ‚ค์ง•์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์—ฌ์ญค๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ์™€ ์ผ๋ถ€ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ์„ ๋“ฑ๊ธ‰ ๊ฐ„์— ์ด๋™ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. ์˜ฌํ•ด ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์–ด๋–ค ์ ์„ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์…จ๋‚˜์š”? ์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋Š”์ง€์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์—„ ๋ฒ„์ „์— ํฌํ•จ์‹œํ‚ฌ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ๋“ค์ด๋‚˜ ์œ ๋ฃŒ ํ”Œ๋žœ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์— ๋„ฃ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ณ„ํš์˜ ๋ณ€๊ฒฝ์‚ฌํ•ญ์ด ์žˆ์œผ์‹ ๊ฐ€์š”?

๋ฃจ์ด์Šค ํฐ ์•ˆ

๋„ค, ์ข‹์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
I mean with packaging and pricing, itโ€™s the same story that itโ€™s always been, which is we are testing a lot of things, and we continue testing. I mean for example, we have continued testing pricing in terms of geographically, in different countries, we are testing different prices. This last quarter, we actually tested a price increase for new users and, in fact increased the price for Super Duolingo for new users because of that. So, you will see us continue doing that. Going forward, we are always testing things. We have not moved things between packages.ํŒจํ‚ค์ง•๊ณผ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ ์ •์ฑ…์— ๊ด€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€์™€ ๋™์ผํ•œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ์ง€๋ฆฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์—์„œ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ๋Œ€๋ฅผ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€๋‚œ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ์‹ ๊ทœ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋ฅผ ๋Œ€์ƒ์œผ๋กœ ํ•œ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ ์ธ์ƒ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋กœ ์‹ค์ œ ์‹ ๊ทœ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž์šฉ ์Šˆํผ ๋“€์˜ค๋ง๊ณ ์˜ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์„ ์ธ์ƒํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ž์œผ๋กœ๋„ ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค๋งŒ, ํŒจํ‚ค์ง€ ๊ฐ„์˜ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ ์ด๋™์€ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
So, for example, between tiers at the moment, Max still contains Roleplay and Video Call and Explain My Answer, and Super still contains what Super has been having this whole time. You will see us change a few things โ€“ I mean not change, test a few things. I donโ€™t know what we will end up launching, so far, nothing. No changes have launched, but you will see us doing that. It is likely that some of the Max features that are cheaper for us to give, we may bring them down to packages. For example, Explain My Answer is relatively cheap for us to do. That is not the core feature of Max. The core feature of Max is video call. But thatโ€™s a feature thatโ€™s in Max.์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ํ˜„์žฌ ํ‹ฐ์–ด ๊ฐ„์—๋Š” Max ์š”๊ธˆ์ œ์— ๋กคํ”Œ๋ ˆ์ด, ์˜์ƒ ํ†ตํ™”, ๋‹ต๋ณ€ ์„ค๋ช… ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ์ด ํฌํ•จ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, Super ์š”๊ธˆ์ œ๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ด ์˜จ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ๋“ค์„ ๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์‚ฌํ•ญ๋“ค์„ ๋ณ€๊ฒฝํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธํ•ด๋ณผ ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์ง ์–ด๋–ค ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ถœ์‹œํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ ์ง€๋Š” ํ™•์‹คํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€๋Š” ์–ด๋– ํ•œ ๋ณ€๊ฒฝ์‚ฌํ•ญ๋„ ์ถœ์‹œ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ, ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด์‹œ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Max ์š”๊ธˆ์ œ์˜ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ ์ค‘ ๋‹น์‚ฌ์˜ ๋น„์šฉ์ด ์ƒ๋Œ€์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ ๊ฒŒ ๋“œ๋Š” ์ผ๋ถ€ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ๋“ค์€ ํ•˜์œ„ ํŒจํ‚ค์ง€๋กœ ์ด๋™์‹œํ‚ฌ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, '๋‹ต๋ณ€ ์„ค๋ช…' ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ์€ ๋‹น์‚ฌ ์ž…์žฅ์—์„œ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋น„์šฉ์ด ์ƒ๋Œ€์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ ๊ฒŒ ๋“ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” Max์˜ ํ•ต์‹ฌ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Max์˜ ํ•ต์‹ฌ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ์€ ์˜์ƒ ํ†ตํ™”์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ, '๋‹ต๋ณ€ ์„ค๋ช…'์€ ํ˜„์žฌ Max์— ํฌํ•จ๋œ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
We may try it on Super or even Free. So, we will try that. But at the moment, nothing has changed. Alex Sklar

Okay. Great. And Matt maybe one follow-up for you, you have given some stats on annual and family plan penetration in the past. How does that mix look for your Max base versus the other Super base, any difference in kind of annual or family plan adoption between those tiers? Matt Skaruppa

Yes, sure. I think that the theory or the case for us is providing the right package to the right user at the right time and servicing that. Thatโ€™s primarily how we drive Max and Super and family plan adoption. And right now, the mix is different for Max than I would say, annual or family plan.
Super๋‚˜ Free ์š”๊ธˆ์ œ์—์„œ๋„ ์‹œ๋„ํ•ด๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์‹œ๋„ํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ด์ง€๋งŒ, ํ˜„์žฌ๋กœ์„œ๋Š” ๋ณ€๊ฒฝ๋œ ์‚ฌํ•ญ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Alex Sklar

์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Matt๊ป˜ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ ํ•˜๋‚˜ ๋” ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ „์— ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ๊ตฌ๋…๊ณผ ๊ฐ€์กฑ ์š”๊ธˆ์ œ ์นจํˆฌ์œจ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํ†ต๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด์ฃผ์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. Max ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜๊ณผ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ Super ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜์„ ๋น„๊ตํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ตฌ์„ฑ๋น„๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋‚˜์š”? ์š”๊ธˆ์ œ ๋‹จ๊ณ„๋ณ„๋กœ ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฐ€์กฑ ์š”๊ธˆ์ œ ์ฑ„ํƒ๋ฅ ์— ์ฐจ์ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? Matt Skaruppa

๋„ค, ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ์˜ ์ด๋ก  ๋˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋ก€๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ ์ ˆํ•œ ์‹œ๊ธฐ์— ์ ์ ˆํ•œ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž์—๊ฒŒ ์ ์ ˆํ•œ ํŒจํ‚ค์ง€๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ณ  ์ด๋ฅผ ์„œ๋น„์Šคํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ•ต์‹ฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ Max์™€ Super, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฐ€์กฑ ์š”๊ธˆ์ œ ์ฑ„ํƒ์„ ์ฃผ๋„ํ•˜๋Š” ์ฃผ๋œ ๋ฐฉ์‹์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ Max์˜ ๊ตฌ์„ฑ๋น„๋Š” ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ๊ตฌ๋…์ด๋‚˜ ๊ฐ€์กฑ ์š”๊ธˆ์ œ์™€๋Š” ์ฐจ์ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
That will evolve over time, right. Itโ€™s still very early days. Itโ€™s 7% of subs is Max. And so as we move features around and then decide how and when to surface family plan for Max to users, that will evolve, but itโ€™s too early to kind of hone in on what thatโ€™s going to look like in the longer term. Alex Sklar

Alright. Great. Thank you, both. Operator

Our next question comes from Ryan MacDonald with Needham. Please un-mute your audio/video and ask your question. Ryan MacDonald

Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on a great quarter. Two questions on AI.
์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ง€๋‚˜๋ฉด์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ง„ํ™”ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์ง ์ดˆ๊ธฐ ๋‹จ๊ณ„์ด๊ณ , Max ๊ตฌ๋…์ž๋Š” 7%์— ๋ถˆ๊ณผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ๋“ค์„ ์กฐ์ •ํ•˜๊ณ  Max ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€์กฑ ์š”๊ธˆ์ œ๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ, ์–ธ์ œ ์ œ์‹œํ• ์ง€ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ๋ฐœ์ „ํ•ด ๋‚˜๊ฐˆ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ, ์žฅ๊ธฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์–ด๋–ค ๋ชจ์Šต์ด ๋ ์ง€ ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ์•„์ง ์ด๋ฅธ ์‹œ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Alex Sklar

์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง„ํ–‰์ž

๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ Needham์˜ Ryan MacDonald๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ํ•ด์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋””์˜ค/๋น„๋””์˜ค ์Œ์†Œ๊ฑฐ๋ฅผ ํ•ด์ œํ•˜์‹œ๊ณ  ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Ryan MacDonald

์งˆ๋ฌธ์˜ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์‹ค์ ์„ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ถ•ํ•˜๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. AI์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Luis, first for you, can you talk about the level of urgency internally in terms of new generative AI features, particularly as we are seeing more funding going into the space for gen AI and language, whether itโ€™s speak or Preply, but then also the announcement that Google has some lightweight gen AI language learning now. And then conversely, on the cost side, Matt, there was this e-mail, obviously, that you published about internally sort of this new approach and evaluation of use of AI. And as we incrementally hire, letโ€™s see if we can automate things first. Can you just talk about sort of how quickly that approach can translate to improve the unit economics?๋ฃจ์ด์Šค๋‹˜, ๋จผ์ € ๊ท€ํ•˜๊ป˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ƒ์„ฑํ˜• AI ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จํ•˜์—ฌ ๋‚ด๋ถ€์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋А๋ผ์‹œ๋Š” ๊ธด๋ฐ•๊ฐ์˜ ์ˆ˜์ค€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ํŠนํžˆ Speak๋‚˜ Preply์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ธฐ์—…๋“ค์ด ์ƒ์„ฑํ˜• AI์™€ ์–ธ์–ด ๋ถ„์•ผ์— ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ํˆฌ์ž๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ , ๊ตฌ๊ธ€๋„ ๊ฒฝ๋Ÿ‰ํ™”๋œ ์ƒ์„ฑํ˜• AI ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต ์„œ๋น„์Šค๋ฅผ ๋ฐœํ‘œํ•œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์—์„œ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฐ˜๋Œ€๋กœ ๋น„์šฉ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ, ๋งคํŠธ๋‹˜๊ป˜ ์—ฌ์ญค๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. AI ํ™œ์šฉ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ ‘๊ทผ๋ฐฉ์‹๊ณผ ํ‰๊ฐ€์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ๋‚ด๋ถ€์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ์„ ๋ฐœ์†กํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ์ธ๋ ฅ์„ ์ฑ„์šฉํ•  ๋•Œ ๋จผ์ € ์ž๋™ํ™” ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์„ ๊ฒ€ํ† ํ•˜๊ฒ ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋‚ด์šฉ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ ‘๊ทผ๋ฐฉ์‹์ด ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์ˆ˜์ต์„ฑ ๊ฐœ์„ ์œผ๋กœ ์ด์–ด์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„์ง€ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
And does this change your view on the long-term sort of structural profitability of the business? Thanks. Luis von Ahn

Yes. Thanks for the question. I mean we are โ€“ AI, we believe that AI is really transformative for our business, and I think itโ€™s probably transformative for a lot of businesses, but we believe AI is very transformative for our business. It helps us teach better. It helps us create content a lot faster. It helps us create content that was just infeasible to do before. I mean a good example is we just released 148 language courses. We wouldnโ€™t have done that if it wasnโ€™t for AI.
๋„ค, ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋ณ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค์˜ ์žฅ๊ธฐ์ ์ธ ๊ตฌ์กฐ์  ์ˆ˜์ต์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ๊ฒฌํ•ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๊พธ์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”? ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Luis von Ahn

๋„ค, ์งˆ๋ฌธ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๋Š” AI๊ฐ€ ์ €ํฌ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค์— ์ง„์ •์œผ๋กœ ํ˜์‹ ์ ์ธ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ๋‹ค์ค€๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋งˆ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ธฐ์—…๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ํ˜์‹ ์ ์ผ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ํŠนํžˆ ์ €ํฌ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค์—๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ํ˜์‹ ์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. AI๋Š” ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ๊ต์œก์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์„ ์ฃผ๊ณ , ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ๋ฅผ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์ œ์ž‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์ฃผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด์ „์—๋Š” ์‹คํ˜„ ๋ถˆ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ–ˆ๋˜ ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์€ ์˜ˆ๋กœ, ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ์ตœ๊ทผ 148๊ฐœ์˜ ์–ธ์–ด ๊ณผ์ •์„ ์ถœ์‹œํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, AI๊ฐ€ ์—†์—ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ด๋Š” ๋ถˆ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ–ˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
We are really going all in as a company on AI, because itโ€™s a technology that particularly applies to us, because the main improvement in AI in the last couple of years is large language models and language is what we teach. So, it particularly applies to us. So, you will see us โ€“ I mean we really are โ€“ a lot of features are being developed that are related to AI, and you will see us develop the right features for the users. So, we really want to stay ahead with it. And we believe that we are far ahead of everybody else on this. I should mention that in terms of my e-mail to everyone, I did say that we are going to be AI first. We are going to try to automate everything.์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋Š” AI์— ์ „๋ ฅ์„ ๋‹คํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŠนํžˆ ์ตœ๊ทผ ๋ช‡ ๋…„๊ฐ„ AI์˜ ์ฃผ์š” ๋ฐœ์ „์ด ๋Œ€๊ทœ๋ชจ ์–ธ์–ด ๋ชจ๋ธ(large language models)์—์„œ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์กŒ๊ณ , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์–ธ์–ด์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ด ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ํŠนํžˆ ์ ํ•ฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์‹œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ - ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” - AI ๊ด€๋ จ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ๋“ค์„ ๋‹ค์ˆ˜ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ ํ•ฉํ•œ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ๋“ค์„ ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœํ•ด ๋‚˜๊ฐˆ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด ๋ถ„์•ผ์—์„œ ์„ ๋‘๋ฅผ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ ์ž ํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์‚ฌ๋“ค๋ณด๋‹ค ํ›จ์”ฌ ์•ž์„œ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ „ ์ง์›๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋ณด๋‚ธ ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ์—์„œ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” AI๋ฅผ ์ตœ์šฐ์„ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ผ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ž๋™ํ™”ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
In terms of costs, we are not changing, and I will let Matt talk a little bit about this. We are not changing our estimates because, yes, this is going to save us some costs on things that humans used to do that now AI can do. However, we are going to apply all of that, I mean and many of those same people, but we are going to apply not just with people, but all of that to develop AI features. We think this is an amazing opportunity for us. So, the cost savings are going to be offset by the fact that we are just investing a lot in making the right features. I donโ€™t know if Matt has more to say about that, but thatโ€™s how we are seeing it. Matt Skaruppa

No.
๋น„์šฉ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ๋Š” ๋ณ€๋™์‚ฌํ•ญ์ด ์—†์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด Matt์ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ์„ค๋ช…ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ˜„์žฌ ์ถ”์ •์น˜๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜์ •ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์ด์ „์— ์ธ๋ ฅ์ด ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•˜๋˜ ์—…๋ฌด๋ฅผ AI๊ฐ€ ๋Œ€์ฒดํ•จ์œผ๋กœ์จ ์ผ๋ถ€ ๋น„์šฉ ์ ˆ๊ฐ ํšจ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ ˆ๊ฐ๋ถ„ ์ „์ฒด์™€, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ๋™์ผํ•œ ์ธ๋ ฅ์„ AI ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ์— ํˆฌ์ž…ํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋น„์šฉ ์ ˆ๊ฐ ํšจ๊ณผ๋Š” ์ ์ ˆํ•œ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋Œ€๊ทœ๋ชจ ํˆฌ์ž๋กœ ์ƒ์‡„๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Matt์ด ์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ถ”๊ฐ€๋กœ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•  ์‚ฌํ•ญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ด€์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Matt Skaruppa

์•„๋‹ˆ์š”.
Ryan, just to underline that last point, we have done things because of AI that we wouldnโ€™t have been able to do before, so thatโ€™s not taking the savings to the bottom line. Thatโ€™s investing in the enormous opportunity ahead of us. And thatโ€™s what we are going to continue to do. I think we, first and foremost, prioritize reinvesting to go tackle all of the opportunities. And thatโ€™s how we are going to use this. Ryan MacDonald

Thanks a lot. Thanks again for the color. Operator

Our next question comes from Andrew Boone with Citizens JMP. Please un-mute your audio/video and ask your question. Andrew Boone

Hi guys. Thanks so much for taking the question.
Ryan, ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์š”์ ์„ ๊ฐ•์กฐํ•˜์ž๋ฉด, AI ๋•๋ถ„์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด์ „์—๋Š” ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ๋˜ ์ผ๋“ค์„ ํ•ด๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ๋‹จ์ˆœํžˆ ๋น„์šฉ ์ ˆ๊ฐ์„ ์ˆœ์ด์ต์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€์ ธ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•ž์— ๋†“์ธ ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ๊ธฐํšŒ์— ํˆฌ์žํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•ž์œผ๋กœ๋„ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์„ ๊ณ„์† ์ถ”๊ตฌํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡๋ณด๋‹ค๋„ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ํฌ์ฐฉํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์žฌํˆฌ์žํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์šฐ์„ ์‹œํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ฅผ ํ™œ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

Ryan MacDonald
๋งŽ์€ ์„ค๋ช… ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์ง„ํ–‰์ž
๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ Citizens JMP์˜ Andrew Boone๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ํ•ด์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋””์˜ค/๋น„๋””์˜ค ์Œ์†Œ๊ฑฐ๋ฅผ ํ•ด์ œํ•˜์‹œ๊ณ  ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

Andrew Boone
์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ์งˆ๋ฌธ์˜ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
I wanted to ask about subscriber conversion rates. Itโ€™s been a steady progression up kind of over the last four quarters, call it, 10 basis points a quarter if you look at kind of trailing 12-month MAU. Can you speak to the incrementality of Max, though, as it affects that? Should we expect kind of that step-up as you guys do start to unlock maybe what is Max in terms of a lower price or connect that metric to Max and incrementality of that subscription product? And then I wanted to add on to Ryanโ€™s question, right, like Zach just talked about this. He talked about the unlock of what is an AI engineer thatโ€™s going to be a mid-level engineer thatโ€™s coming in the next kind of year.๊ตฌ๋…์ž ์ „ํ™˜์œจ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์—ฌ์ญค๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€๋‚œ 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋™์•ˆ trailing 12๊ฐœ์›” MAU ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด๋ฉด ๋ถ„๊ธฐ๋‹น ์•ฝ 10๋ฒ ์ด์‹œ์Šค ํฌ์ธํŠธ์”ฉ ๊พธ์ค€ํžˆ ์ƒ์Šนํ•ด์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Max์˜ ์ฆ๋ถ„ ํšจ๊ณผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”? Max์˜ ๋‚ฎ์€ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์„ ๋„์ž…ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋ฉด ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ƒ์Šน์„ธ๊ฐ€ ๊ณ„์†๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”? ๋˜๋Š” ์ด ์ง€ํ‘œ๋ฅผ Max์™€ ๊ทธ ๊ตฌ๋… ์ƒํ’ˆ์˜ ์ฆ๋ถ„ ํšจ๊ณผ์™€ ์—ฐ๊ด€ ์ง€์–ด ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Ryan์˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ์ด์–ด์„œ, Zach๊ฐ€ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๋‚ด์šฉ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ถ”๊ฐ€๋กœ ์—ฌ์ญค๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Š” ํ–ฅํ›„ 1๋…„ ๋‚ด์— ์ค‘๊ธ‰ ์—”์ง€๋‹ˆ์–ด ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ AI ์—”์ง€๋‹ˆ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋“ฑ์žฅํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ž ์žฌ๋ ฅ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Luis, you dropped out of college, you have a PhD, right? Help us understand your view of the AI software developer. And how do we think about the efficiency of kind of your OpEx and workforce on a go-forward basis? Luis von Ahn

Matt, do you want to take the first part? Matt Skaruppa

Do you want to start with the second part first? Luis von Ahn

Sure. I am happy to talk about it. I mean look, in particular, for engineering, AI is getting a lot better. That is just the case. So, we are going to see a lot more efficiency from engineers. We are already seeing it. In terms of what itโ€™s good at and what itโ€™s bad at, I think AI coding is really good at creating something from scratch.
๋„ค, ๋‹ค์Œ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์ด ๋ฒˆ์—ญํ•ด ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค:

Luis, ๋Œ€ํ•™์„ ์ค‘ํ‡ดํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๋ฐ•์‚ฌ ํ•™์œ„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹œ์ฃ ? AI ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ์ž์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ๊ฒฌํ•ด๋ฅผ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ–ฅํ›„ ์˜์—…๋น„์šฉ(OpEx)๊ณผ ์ธ๋ ฅ์˜ ํšจ์œจ์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ณด์‹œ๋‚˜์š”? Luis von Ahn

Matt, ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ๋‹ต๋ณ€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? Matt Skaruppa

๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ๋ถ€๋ถ„๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? Luis von Ahn

๋„ค, ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŠนํžˆ ์—”์ง€๋‹ˆ์–ด๋ง ๋ถ„์•ผ์—์„œ๋Š” AI๊ฐ€ ํฌ๊ฒŒ ๋ฐœ์ „ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ๋ถ„๋ช…ํ•œ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์—”์ง€๋‹ˆ์–ด๋“ค์˜ ํšจ์œจ์„ฑ์ด ํฌ๊ฒŒ ํ–ฅ์ƒ๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ด๋ฏธ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌํ•œ ํšจ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. AI ์ฝ”๋”ฉ์˜ ์žฅ๋‹จ์ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, AI๋Š” ํŠนํžˆ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์ฒ˜์Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ƒˆ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋งค์šฐ ๋›ฐ์–ด๋‚ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Itโ€™s not as good at taking a large code base, which is what we have on Duolingo, fully understanding it and making modifications for it, itโ€™s not as good at that. And thatโ€™s going to take some time to be really good at that. And so my sense is whatโ€™s going to happen, I truly do not believe that over the next, at least the foreseeable future, itโ€™s going to be the case that we are not going to need engineers. In fact, if you look all of these companies, even the companies that are developing the AI, are hiring engineers, and there is a reason for that.Duolingo์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋Œ€๊ทœ๋ชจ ์ฝ”๋“œ๋ฒ ์ด์Šค๋ฅผ ์™„๋ฒฝํžˆ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ณ  ์ˆ˜์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ๋Š” ์•„์ง AI๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ๋Šฅ์ˆ™ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์„ ๊ฐ–์ถ”๊ธฐ๊นŒ์ง€๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๋” ํ•„์š”ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ณด๊ธฐ์—๋Š”, ์ ์–ด๋„ ์˜ˆ์ธก ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•œ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์—๋Š” ์—”์ง€๋‹ˆ์–ด๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š” ์—†๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์€ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ AI๋ฅผ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœํ•˜๋Š” ๊ธฐ์—…๋“ค์„ ํฌํ•จํ•œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ธฐ์—…๋“ค์ด ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์—”์ง€๋‹ˆ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ฑ„์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ด๋Š” ๋‹ค ์ด์œ ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
I think we are going to need them, and we are going to need them in part because they are going to be so much more effective than they are inefficient than they are now. So, I think thatโ€™s whatโ€™s going to happen. We are just going to see them be a lot more efficient. Another thing that is really exciting is that now also non-engineers can do stuff, maybe not production code, but just kind of play around with things. One of our goals internally at the company is that 100% of our employees, and I am not just talking about engineers, really 100% of our employees, will have coded something with AI. We want everybody here to know how to automate things.์ €๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋„๊ตฌ๋“ค์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŠนํžˆ ํ˜„์žฌ๋ณด๋‹ค ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ํšจ์œจ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐœ์ „ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋”์šฑ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜๊ธฐ๋กœ๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐœ์ „ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋„๊ตฌ๋“ค์ด ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ํšจ์œจ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณ€ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ชฉ๊ฒฉํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์ ์€ ์ด์ œ ๋น„์—”์ง€๋‹ˆ์–ด๋“ค๋„ ์‹ค์ œ ํ”„๋กœ๋•์…˜ ์ฝ”๋“œ๋Š” ์•„๋‹ˆ๋”๋ผ๋„ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋ฅผ ์‹œ๋„ํ•ด๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํšŒ์‚ฌ์˜ ๋‚ด๋ถ€ ๋ชฉํ‘œ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ์—”์ง€๋‹ˆ์–ด๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ์ „์ฒด ์ง์›์˜ 100%๊ฐ€ AI๋ฅผ ํ™œ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์ฝ”๋”ฉํ•ด๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์ง์›๋“ค์ด ์—…๋ฌด ์ž๋™ํ™” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ์•Œ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์›ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And I think just the whole workforce is going to get a lot more efficient because of that. Matt Skaruppa

Andrew, sorry, in that context, what was your first part of your question? Andrew Boone

So, I want to focus on the incrementality of Max, right? So, if I think about the conversion rateโ€ฆ

Matt Skaruppa

Sorry, I was thinking aboutโ€ฆ

Luis von Ahn

Matt was worried that he is going to have to vibe code something himself. Matt Skaruppa

Oh, I love vibe coding. I do it most days.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ์ „์ฒด ์ธ๋ ฅ์ด ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ํšจ์œจ์ ์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Matt Skaruppa

Andrew, ์ฃ„์†กํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ ๋งฅ๋ฝ์—์„œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์˜ ์ฒซ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ด์—ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? Andrew Boone

Max์˜ ์ฆ๋ถ„์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ดˆ์ ์„ ๋งž์ถ”๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ํ™˜์œจ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณด๋ฉด...

Matt Skaruppa

์ฃ„์†กํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์€...

Luis von Ahn

Matt๋Š” ์ž์‹ ์ด ์ง์ ‘ ์ฝ”๋”ฉ์„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ๋ด ๊ฑฑ์ •ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Matt Skaruppa

์•„, ์ €๋Š” ๋ฐ”์ด๋ธŒ ์ฝ”๋”ฉ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋งค์ผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ .
So, when we think about the incrementality, Andrew, when we run our A/B tests for Max, again, we are not optimizing for โ€“ in the very specific sense, we are not optimizing for a Max subscriber or an ARPU or this or that. We are optimizing for platform LTV. And so when we run our A/B tests, we have to take into account, are these Max subs incremental or not in figuring out the overall impact on platform LTV. And thatโ€™s why we launched Max is because we ran enough of the experiment to figure out that they were incremental. There were enough incrementality to it that it was platform LTV positive. And we still think thatโ€™s true. And in fact, we think it will become more true over time.์ฆ๋ถ„์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, Andrew๋‹˜, ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ Max์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ A/B ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•  ๋•Œ, ๋งค์šฐ ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ์˜๋ฏธ์—์„œ Max ๊ตฌ๋…์ž ์ˆ˜๋‚˜ ARPU(๊ฐ€์ž…์ž๋‹นํ‰๊ท ๋งค์ถœ) ๋˜๋Š” ์ด์™€ ์œ ์‚ฌํ•œ ๊ฐœ๋ณ„ ์ง€ํ‘œ๋ฅผ ์ตœ์ ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ํ”Œ๋žซํผ LTV(๊ณ ๊ฐ์ƒ์• ๊ฐ€์น˜)๋ฅผ ์ตœ์ ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์ค‘์ ์„ ๋‘๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ A/B ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์‹ค์‹œํ•  ๋•Œ, ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ Max ๊ตฌ๋…์ด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ฆ๋ถ„์ ์ธ์ง€ ์—ฌ๋ถ€๋ฅผ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•˜์—ฌ ์ „์ฒด ํ”Œ๋žซํผ LTV์— ๋ฏธ์น˜๋Š” ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ํŒŒ์•…ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ Max๋ฅผ ์ถœ์‹œํ•œ ์ด์œ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•œ ์‹คํ—˜์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ฆ๋ถ„์„ฑ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ™•์ธํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ”Œ๋žซํผ LTV์— ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น  ๋งŒํผ์˜ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•œ ์ฆ๋ถ„์„ฑ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ง€๋‚ ์ˆ˜๋ก ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ํšจ๊ณผ๋Š” ๋”์šฑ ๊ฐ•ํ™”๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And so thatโ€™s really my answer to your question is that, again, we are not trying to drive a Max penetration rate. We are not trying to drive a subscriber penetration rate. We are trying to drive platform LTV higher by driving mix shift to higher LTV plans. Thatโ€™s Max. And we see also there is a lot of upgrades, part of the Q1 outperformance was driven by the fact that Super subscribers were converting up to Max subscribers. And thatโ€™s what I said to the answer to another question, which is showing our current users, free and paid, the right plan at the right time to get to the right LTV.์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ œ ๋‹ต๋ณ€์€ ๋‹ค์Œ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๋Š” Max ์นจํˆฌ์œจ์ด๋‚˜ ๊ตฌ๋…์ž ์นจํˆฌ์œจ์„ ๋†’์ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋กœ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋Œ€์‹  ๋” ๋†’์€ LTV(Life Time Value, ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ƒ์• ๊ฐ€์น˜)๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ์š”๊ธˆ์ œ๋กœ์˜ ๋ฏน์Šค ์ „ํ™˜์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ํ”Œ๋žซํผ์˜ ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ LTV๋ฅผ ๋†’์ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ชฉํ‘œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ Max์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ 1๋ถ„๊ธฐ์˜ ์‹ค์  ์ดˆ๊ณผ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” Super ๊ตฌ๋…์ž๋“ค์ด Max ๊ตฌ๋…์ž๋กœ ์ƒํ–ฅ ์ „ํ™˜ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์—์„œ ๊ธฐ์ธํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด, ๋งŽ์€ ์—…๊ทธ๋ ˆ์ด๋“œ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ž์„œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋‹ต๋ณ€ํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด, ์ด๋Š” ํ˜„์žฌ ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ ๋ฐ ์œ ๋ฃŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ ์ ˆํ•œ ์‹œ์ ์— ์ ํ•ฉํ•œ ์š”๊ธˆ์ œ๋ฅผ ์ œ์‹œํ•จ์œผ๋กœ์จ ์ตœ์ ์˜ LTV๋ฅผ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•˜๊ณ ์ž ํ•˜๋Š” ์ „๋žต์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
So, we feel really good about the incrementality and the overall platform LTV increase we are seeing from Max. Andrew Boone

Thank you. Operator

Our next question will come from Mark Mahaney with Evercore ISI. Please un-mute your audio/video and ask your question. Mark Mahaney

Okay. Thank you. I may have missed this, but I know you disclosed the Max penetration, I guess at 7%. Did you provide an update on math and music adoption? And then you talked a little bit, Luis, I think about pricing for Super. And I think your logic is kind of โ€“ I donโ€™t think you have changed pricing in Super in quite some time.
Max์˜ ์ฆ๋ถ„์„ฑ๊ณผ ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ํ”Œ๋žซํผ LTV ์ฆ๊ฐ€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธ์ •์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ‰๊ฐ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Andrew Boone

๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง„ํ–‰์ž

๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ Evercore ISI์˜ Mark Mahaney๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋””์˜ค/๋น„๋””์˜ค ์Œ์†Œ๊ฑฐ๋ฅผ ํ•ด์ œํ•˜์‹œ๊ณ  ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Mark Mahaney

๋„ค, ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋†“์ณค์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”, Max ์นจํˆฌ์œจ์ด 7%๋ผ๊ณ  ๊ณต๊ฐœํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ˆ˜ํ•™๊ณผ ์Œ์•… ์„œ๋น„์Šค ์ฑ„ํƒ๋ฅ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์—…๋ฐ์ดํŠธ๋„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜์…จ๋‚˜์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Luis๋‹˜, Super ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ ์ฑ…์ •์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ž ๊น ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•Œ๊ธฐ๋กœ๋Š” Super ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์„ ๊ฝค ์˜ค๋žซ๋™์•ˆ ๋ณ€๊ฒฝํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ์‹  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ์š”.

Note: I maintained key terms like "Max", "LTV" (Life Time Value), "Super" in English as they are commonly used in Korean financial contexts. The translation preserves the formal business tone while ensuring natural flow in Korean.
And as you improve the product, you prove more of the functionality, make it better and better that you warrant โ€“ you create greater value so that you can potentially ask people to pay more for it. So, a long way of answering, are you thinking about raising prices kind of across the board on Super? And then what would be the key factors that would make you decide to do that now versus never doing it or doing it next year? Thank you. Luis von Ahn

Thank you, Mark. In terms of adoption for math and music, there is no update from last time that we talked about it, I mean which we said we had about 3 million daily active users learning either math or music. Itโ€™s higher now. Itโ€™s growing.
์ œํ’ˆ์„ ๊ฐœ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ์„ฑ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๋ฉฐ ๋”์šฑ ๋ฐœ์ „์‹œํ‚ฌ์ˆ˜๋ก, ๋” ํฐ ๊ฐ€์น˜๋ฅผ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์–ด ์ž ์žฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋” ๋†’์€ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์„ ์š”๊ตฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ต๋ณ€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, Super์˜ ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ ์ธ์ƒ์„ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹  ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ง€๊ธˆ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์„ ์ธ์ƒํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ์ „ํ˜€ ์ธ์ƒํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋‚ด๋…„์— ์ธ์ƒํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ์ฃผ์š” ์š”์ธ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ผ๊นŒ์š”? ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Luis von Ahn

Mark๋‹˜, ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ˆ˜ํ•™๊ณผ ์Œ์•… ๊ณผ์ •์˜ ์ฑ„ํƒ๋ฅ ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์ง€๋‚œ๋ฒˆ ๋…ผ์˜ ์ดํ›„ ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•œ ์—…๋ฐ์ดํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹œ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ์ˆ˜ํ•™์ด๋‚˜ ์Œ์•…์„ ํ•™์Šตํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ผ ํ™œ์„ฑ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๊ฐ€ ์•ฝ 300๋งŒ ๋ช…์ด์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ํ˜„์žฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ณด๋‹ค ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ๊ณ„์† ์„ฑ์žฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And math and music are growing faster than language learning. But compared to language learning, they are still small. And now in terms of prices, we are just always testing different things. So, at the moment, we are testing prices in different countries and everything. My sense is there will be increases, but I donโ€™t know what the A/B test will tell us. And generally, we are just going to be data-driven on this. Mark Mahaney

Thank you. Operator

Our next question will come from John Colantuoni with Jefferies. Please un-mute your audio/video and ask your question. John Colantuoni

Great. Thanks for taking my questions. First, I wanted to come back to the topic of incrementality of Max.
์ˆ˜ํ•™๊ณผ ์Œ์•… ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์€ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์„ฑ์žฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต๊ณผ ๋น„๊ตํ•˜๋ฉด ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๊ทœ๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ์ž‘์€ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ ์ •์ฑ…๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ํ˜„์žฌ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋ฐฉ์•ˆ์„ ๊ณ„์† ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์—์„œ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ๋Œ€๋ฅผ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ค‘์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ํŒ๋‹จ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ ์ธ์ƒ์ด ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒ๋˜์ง€๋งŒ, A/B ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋‚˜์˜ฌ์ง€๋Š” ์•„์ง ๋ชจ๋ฅด๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๋ฐ์ดํ„ฐ์— ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜ํ•œ ์˜์‚ฌ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋งˆํฌ ๋งˆํ•˜๋‹ˆ

๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง„ํ–‰์ž

๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ์ œํ”„๋ฆฌ์Šค์˜ ์กด ์ฝœ๋ž€ํˆฌ์˜ค๋‹ˆ ๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋””์˜ค/๋น„๋””์˜ค ์Œ์†Œ๊ฑฐ๋ฅผ ํ•ด์ œํ•˜์‹œ๊ณ  ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์กด ์ฝœ๋ž€ํˆฌ์˜ค๋‹ˆ

๋„ค, ์งˆ๋ฌธ์˜ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋กœ, Max์˜ ์ฆ๋ถ„์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ๋…ผ์˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Can you give us a sense for what portion of recent Max subscribers are new to Duolingo? And what portion are intermediate English learners? Just to give us a sense for that incrementality. And second, turning to gross margins for Max, you would originally characterize the subscription tier as dilutive to gross margin, but accretive to gross profit dollars. Has that changed as more cost-effective AI models have been released since you first made those comments? Thanks. Matt Skaruppa

Yes. So, we are seeing, like I mentioned to Andrew, we are seeing good incrementality. We like the increase in platform LTV from Max.
์ตœ๊ทผ Duolingo Max ๊ตฌ๋…์ž๋“ค ์ค‘ Duolingo์˜ ์‹ ๊ทœ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž ๋น„์œจ์ด ์–ด๋А ์ •๋„์ด๊ณ , ์ค‘๊ธ‰ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž์˜ ๋น„์œจ์€ ์–ด๋А ์ •๋„์ธ์ง€ ํŒŒ์•…ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”? ์ด๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ฆ๋ถ„ ํšจ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋กœ, Max์˜ ๋งค์ถœ์ด์ด์ต๋ฅ ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จํ•˜์—ฌ, ์ฒ˜์Œ์—๋Š” ์ด ๊ตฌ๋… ํ‹ฐ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋งค์ถœ์ด์ด์ต๋ฅ ์€ ํฌ์„์‹œํ‚ค์ง€๋งŒ ๋งค์ถœ์ด์ด์ต ๊ธˆ์•ก์€ ์ฆ๊ฐ€์‹œํ‚ฌ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์„ค๋ช…ํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. ๊ทธ ์ดํ›„ ๋” ๋น„์šฉ ํšจ์œจ์ ์ธ AI ๋ชจ๋ธ๋“ค์ด ์ถœ์‹œ๋˜๋ฉด์„œ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ๋ณ€ํ™”ํ–ˆ๋‚˜์š”? ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Matt Skaruppa

๋„ค. Andrew์—๊ฒŒ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฐ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์–‘ํ˜ธํ•œ ์ฆ๋ถ„ ํšจ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Max๋กœ ์ธํ•œ ํ”Œ๋žซํผ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ƒ์• ๊ฐ€์น˜(LTV)์˜ ์ฆ๊ฐ€ ์ถ”์„ธ๋„ ๊ธ์ •์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
A lot of that comes from the fact that a lot of new to the platform or new to paid subscribers are choosing Max for the first time, but we are also seeing a relatively high proportion of folks upgrading into Max. So, of total Max subscribers, a good chunk of those are coming from folks who currently are paying us and then start paying us more. So, in general, the bookings incrementality of Max is attractive, and we like how thatโ€™s trending. In terms of the gross margin for Max, nothing that you mentioned has changed. Itโ€™s still the same lower gross margin percent, higher gross profit dollars. That will change over time as two things happen.์ด๋Š” ์ƒ๋‹น ๋ถ€๋ถ„ ํ”Œ๋žซํผ ์‹ ๊ทœ ๊ฐ€์ž…์ž๋‚˜ ์‹ ๊ทœ ์œ ๋ฃŒ ๊ตฌ๋…์ž๋“ค์ด ์ฒ˜์Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ Max๋ฅผ ์„ ํƒํ•˜๋Š” ํ˜„์ƒ์—์„œ ๊ธฐ์ธํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ๋™์‹œ์— ๊ธฐ์กด ๊ตฌ๋…์ž๋“ค์˜ Max๋กœ์˜ ์—…๊ทธ๋ ˆ์ด๋“œ ๋น„์œจ๋„ ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ๋†’๊ฒŒ ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „์ฒด Max ๊ตฌ๋…์ž ์ค‘ ์ƒ๋‹น์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ํ˜„์žฌ ๋‹น์‚ฌ์˜ ๊ธฐ์กด ์„œ๋น„์Šค๋ฅผ ์ด์šฉํ•˜๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๋” ๋†’์€ ์š”๊ธˆ์ œ๋กœ ์ „ํ™˜ํ•œ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ Max์˜ ์˜ˆ์•ฝ ์ฆ๋ถ„์„ฑ(bookings incrementality)์€ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ถ”์„ธ๋Š” ๊ธ์ •์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Max์˜ ๋งค์ถœ์ด์ด์ต๋ฅ ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๋ถ€๋ถ„๋“ค์— ์žˆ์–ด ๋ณ€๋™์‚ฌํ•ญ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๋งค์ถœ์ด์ด์ต๋ฅ ์€ ๋‚ฎ์ง€๋งŒ ๋งค์ถœ์ด์ด์ต ๊ธˆ์•ก์€ ๋” ๋†’์€ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ์œ ์ง€๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์š”์ธ์— ์˜ํ•ด ๋ณ€ํ™”ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
One, as the price of the generative AI used for our Video Call, for example, comes down. And we saw in Q1, new models released with lower pricing. And then we are also going to run optimizations in the back half of the year. So, we would expect the gross margin of Max to increase. But again, the goal of Max is, right now, to drive incremental subscriptions and bookings and LTV and still make a really attractive gross profit dollar return. We are on track, like we mentioned on the last call, to do that better and better throughout the course of the year. John Colantuoni

Thanks so much. Operator

Our next question will come from Ross Sandler with Barclays.
์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์˜์ƒ ํ†ตํ™”์— ์‚ฌ์šฉ๋˜๋Š” ์ƒ์„ฑํ˜• AI์˜ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์ด ํ•˜๋ฝํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 1๋ถ„๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ๋” ๋‚ฎ์€ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์˜ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๋ชจ๋ธ๋“ค์ด ์ถœ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ™•์ธํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋ฐ˜๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ์ตœ์ ํ™” ์ž‘์—…๋„ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ Max์˜ ๋งค์ถœ์ด์ด์ต๋ฅ ์ด ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, Max์˜ ํ˜„์žฌ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋Š” ์ถ”๊ฐ€์ ์ธ ๊ตฌ๋…์ž ํ™•๋ณด, ์˜ˆ์•ฝ ๋งค์ถœ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์ƒ์•  ๊ฐ€์น˜๋ฅผ ๋Š˜๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋™์‹œ์— ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ๋งค์ถœ์ด์ด์ต์„ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€๋‚œ ์‹ค์  ๋ฐœํ‘œ์—์„œ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด, ์—ฐ์ค‘ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ์ง€์†์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐœ์„ ํ•ด ๋‚˜๊ฐˆ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

John Colantuoni
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๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ Barclays์˜ Ross Sandler ๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Please un-mute your audio/video and ask your question. Ross Sandler

Hi guys. So, I wanted to ask a question sort of for Matt Skaruppa, but maybe for Luis, because we might need a PhD to answer this. But yesterday, Apple was finally dealt a fairly definitive blow on the conjunction with Epic around like high-quality developers like Fortnite or Duolingo, redirecting users to pay for subscriptions off the app store billing. And it seems like you wonโ€™t be discriminated against if you do that now. So, I know 60% of bookings comes from in-app payments, I think is what it says in your filings. So, Luis, I guess have you guys looked at testing the flow of directing people to the web?
์˜ค๋””์˜ค/๋น„๋””์˜ค ์Œ์†Œ๊ฑฐ๋ฅผ ํ•ด์ œํ•˜์‹œ๊ณ  ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Ross Sandler์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”. Matt Skaruppa์—๊ฒŒ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€๋ฐ, ์•„๋งˆ๋„ Luis์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. PhD๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ๋‹ต๋ณ€์ด ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”. ์–ด์ œ Apple์ด Epic๊ณผ์˜ ์†Œ์†ก์—์„œ Fortnite๋‚˜ Duolingo ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ณ ํ’ˆ์งˆ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ์‚ฌ๋“ค์ด ์•ฑ์Šคํ† ์–ด ๊ฒฐ์ œ ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์„ ์šฐํšŒํ•ด์„œ ๊ตฌ๋…๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›๋„๋ก ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋ฅผ ๋ฆฌ๋””๋ ‰์…˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ ๊ฒฐ์ •์ ์ธ ํƒ€๊ฒฉ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•ด๋„ ์ฐจ๋ณ„์„ ๋ฐ›์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•Œ๊ธฐ๋กœ๋Š” ๊ท€์‚ฌ์˜ ๊ณต์‹œ์ž๋ฃŒ์— ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๋ฉด ์ธ์•ฑ๊ฒฐ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์˜ˆ์•ฝ ๋งค์ถœ์˜ 60%๋ฅผ ์ฐจ์ง€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜์™€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Luis๋‹˜, ํ˜น์‹œ ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋ฅผ ๋ฆฌ๋””๋ ‰์…˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์„ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธํ•ด๋ณด์‹  ์ ์ด ์žˆ์œผ์‹ ๊ฐ€์š”?
And Matt, what percent of COGS does this represent? And kind of where do you guys see this going? Is this an opportunity to drive a little bit of leverage? Luis von Ahn

Yes. I mean first of all, this ruling is brand new. Obviously, we saw it. The app stores, both Apple and Google, have been great partners to us. One of the things that they really help with is just ease of payment. I mean peopleโ€™s credit card is already in there, and itโ€™s usually just kind of like a double-click that you have to do and you pay. So, thatโ€™s great, and that has really helped us.
๋„ค, Matt๋‹˜, ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งค์ถœ์›๊ฐ€(COGS)์˜ ๋ช‡ ํผ์„ผํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ฐจ์ง€ํ•˜๋‚˜์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ „๊ฐœ๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์‹œ๋‚˜์š”? ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€๋ฅผ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋†’์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”? Luis von Ahn

๋„ค, ์šฐ์„  ์ด ํŒ๊ฒฐ์€ ์•„์ฃผ ์ตœ๊ทผ์˜ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์—ฐํžˆ ์ €ํฌ๋„ ์ด๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์‹œํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ฑ์Šคํ† ์–ด, ์• ํ”Œ๊ณผ ๊ตฌ๊ธ€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ €ํฌ์˜ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋“ค์ด ์ •๋ง ํฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ถ„ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒฐ์ œ์˜ ์šฉ์ด์„ฑ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋“ค์˜ ์‹ ์šฉ์นด๋“œ ์ •๋ณด๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ฏธ ์ €์žฅ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์–ด์„œ, ๋ณดํ†ต์€ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญ ์ •๋„๋งŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ฒฐ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ ์€ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•˜๊ณ , ์ €ํฌ์—๊ฒŒ ํฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
My sense is that if we were to try to send people to the web, we wouldnโ€™t have to pay Apple or Google, but we would see slightly fewer people actually converting because there is more friction. We are obviously going to test something here given the ruling. We are obviously going to test something and we will see what happens. But at the moment, there is no โ€“ I canโ€™t give you results. Itโ€™s hard to know exactly how much this will help. It may help, but itโ€™s hard to know by how much. Matt Skaruppa

And then on the gross margin on the COGS side, Ross, I mean itโ€™s the majority. Well over a majority of our COGS are payments to payment providers.
์ œ๊ฐ€ ํŒ๋‹จํ•˜๊ธฐ์—, ๋งŒ์•ฝ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋“ค์„ ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋กœ ์œ ๋„ํ•˜๋ ค ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด Apple์ด๋‚˜ Google์— ์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„๋„ ๋˜๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ, ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ๋งˆ์ฐฐ์ด ์ƒ๊ธฐ๋ฉด์„œ ์‹ค์ œ ์ „ํ™˜์œจ์ด ๋‹ค์†Œ ๋‚ฎ์•„์งˆ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ตœ๊ทผ ํŒ๊ฒฐ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๋‹น์—ฐํžˆ ์ด์™€ ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์‹œํ—˜ํ•ด ๋ณผ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ  ๊ทธ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ์ง€์ผœ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ˜„์žฌ๋กœ์„œ๋Š” ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋„์›€์ด ๋ ์ง€ ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ์˜ˆ์ธกํ•˜๊ธฐ๋Š” ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„์›€์ด ๋  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์žˆ๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ ์ •๋„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋Š ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋Š” ์–ด๋ ค์šด ์ƒํ™ฉ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

Matt Skaruppa

๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งค์ถœ์›๊ฐ€(COGS) ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ์˜ ๋งค์ถœ์ด์ด์ต๋ฅ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, Ross, ์ €ํฌ ๋งค์ถœ์›๊ฐ€์˜ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„, ์ฆ‰ ๊ณผ๋ฐ˜ ์ด์ƒ์ด ๊ฒฐ์ œ ์ œ๊ณต์—…์ฒด๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ง€๊ธ‰์•ก์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And so to the extent that you would take a chunk out of those, it would be definitely accretive to gross margins. But as Luis said, itโ€™s early days for us, and we are going to run A/B tests and green machine any change we make. So, it would happen over time, and we would just have to wait and see. It certainly seems like itโ€™s potential optionality. But again, itโ€™s not something that we run experiments on given the recency of the news. Luis von Ahn

We would be foolish not to test this. Ross Sandler

Thanks. Operator

Our next question comes from Shweta Khajuria with Wolfe Research. Please un-mute your audio/video and ask your question. Shweta Khajuria

Hello. Thanks for taking my question.
๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋น„์šฉ์„ ์ผ๋ถ€ ์ ˆ๊ฐํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ด์ด์ต๋ฅ ์— ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ Luis๊ฐ€ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ์•„์ง์€ ์ดˆ๊ธฐ ๋‹จ๊ณ„์ด๋ฉฐ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๋ณ€ํ™”์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด A/B ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์‹ค์‹œํ•˜๊ณ  ์ตœ์ ํ™”ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋‘๊ณ  ์ง„ํ–‰๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ์ง€์ผœ๋ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ์ž ์žฌ์ ์ธ ์„ ํƒ๊ถŒ์ด ์žˆ์–ด ๋ณด์ด์ง€๋งŒ, ์ตœ๊ทผ ์†Œ์‹์ด๋ผ ์•„์ง ์‹คํ—˜์„ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Luis von Ahn

์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋ฉด ์–ด๋ฆฌ์„์€ ์ผ์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Ross Sandler

๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง„ํ–‰์ž

๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ Wolfe Research์˜ Shweta Khajuria ๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋””์˜ค/๋น„๋””์˜ค ์Œ์†Œ๊ฑฐ๋ฅผ ํ•ด์ œํ•˜์‹œ๊ณ  ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Shweta Khajuria

์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ์งˆ๋ฌธ์˜ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Luis, I have one for you. How do โ€“ what is your vision for the Video Call feature? As it evolves over the next 1 year, 2 years, 3 years, what are you working towards? Whatโ€™s a good, not end state, but close to an end state solution look like? Luis von Ahn

Yes. I mean for video call, the main thing we want is to be able to get you to practice conversation. Thatโ€™s a very important part of language learning. And so the more time we get people to spend on practicing conversation, the better they will get at the language that they are learning. We know that. So, what we want to do is just get people to spend more time on it.
๋ฃจ์ด์Šค์—๊ฒŒ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ํ†ตํ™” ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ๋น„์ „์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ํ–ฅํ›„ 1๋…„, 2๋…„, 3๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์ด ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ฐœ์ „ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์‹œ๋‚˜์š”? ์ตœ์ข… ๋‹จ๊ณ„๋Š” ์•„๋‹ˆ๋”๋ผ๋„, ๊ทธ์— ๊ทผ์ ‘ํ•œ ์†”๋ฃจ์…˜์€ ์–ด๋–ค ๋ชจ์Šต์ผ๊นŒ์š”?

๋ฃจ์ด์Šค ํฐ ์•ˆ

๋„ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ํ†ตํ™”์™€ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋“ค์ด ๋Œ€ํ™” ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ €ํฌ์˜ ์ฃผ๋œ ๋ชฉํ‘œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์—์„œ ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋“ค์ด ๋Œ€ํ™” ์—ฐ์Šต์— ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํˆฌ์žํ• ์ˆ˜๋ก, ํ•™์Šตํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด ์‹ค๋ ฅ์ด ๋”์šฑ ํ–ฅ์ƒ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ ์„ ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ž˜ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๊ณ ์ž ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋“ค์ด ์ด ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ์— ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํˆฌ์žํ•˜๋„๋ก ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
How do we do that, by making it a lot more engaging and by making it a lot snappier. So, for example, right now, there is still a little bit of latency between when you say something and when Lily responds. We need to decrease that. It is still the case that sometimes she cuts you off a little too soon. We need to get better at โ€“ she needs to get better at knowing when the conversation has faded out. Humans are actually really good at basically saying, I now know you are not so interested in talking to me, so I am just going to leave. Humans are very good at that. Lily is not very good at that. So, there is that type of stuff we got to get better at.์ด๋ฅผ ์‹คํ˜„ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์ƒํ˜ธ์ž‘์šฉ์„ ๋”์šฑ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ  ๋ฐ˜์‘ ์†๋„๋ฅผ ๋†’์—ฌ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ํ˜„์žฌ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๊ฐ€ ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  Lily๊ฐ€ ์‘๋‹ตํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ์ด์— ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ์ง€์—ฐ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด ์ง€์—ฐ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์ค„์—ฌ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ Lily๊ฐ€ ๋•Œ๋•Œ๋กœ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋นจ๋ฆฌ ๋Š์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ด ๋ถ€๋ถ„๋„ ๊ฐœ์„ ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Lily๋Š” ๋Œ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ ์ข…๋ฃŒ๋˜๋Š” ์‹œ์ ์„ ํŒŒ์•…ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์•„์ง ๋ฏธ์ˆ™ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ธ๊ฐ„์€ '์ƒ๋Œ€๋ฐฉ์ด ๋” ์ด์ƒ ๋Œ€ํ™”์— ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ์—†๊ตฌ๋‚˜, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์ด๋งŒ ๋งˆ๋ฌด๋ฆฌํ•ด์•ผ๊ฒ ๋‹ค'๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ง๊ด€์ ์œผ๋กœ ์•„์ฃผ ์ž˜ ํŒŒ์•…ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ธ๊ฐ„์€ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ฉด์—์„œ ๋งค์šฐ ๋›ฐ์–ด๋‚˜์ฃ . ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ Lily๋Š” ์•„์ง ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์—์„œ ๋Šฅ์ˆ™ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ธก๋ฉด๋“ค์„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐœ์„ ํ•ด ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And then we are going to have a whole world for her where she is going to be able to change her background immediately and start pretending that she is like your taxi driver or something. So, we are really โ€“ the idea is to practice as much language as possible and to increase engagement. And the more we increase the engagement, the more people will tell their friends not only to use Duolingo, but if they are a Duolingo user, they should get Duolingo Max to be able to practice with Lily. Shweta Khajuria

Thanks guys. Operator

I am showing no further questions. This concludes the question-and-answer session of the call. I would now like to turn the call back to the host for closing remarks.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๊ฐ€ ๋ฐฐ๊ฒฝ์„ ์ฆ‰์‹œ ๋ณ€๊ฒฝํ•˜๊ณ  ํƒ์‹œ ๊ธฐ์‚ฌ์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ์—ญํ• ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ „์ฒด ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์„ ๊ตฌ์ถ•ํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ์˜ ํ•ต์‹ฌ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋Š” ์ตœ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋งŽ์€ ์–ธ์–ด ์—ฐ์Šต ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ณ  ์ฐธ์—ฌ๋„๋ฅผ ๋†’์ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฐธ์—ฌ๋„๊ฐ€ ๋†’์•„์งˆ์ˆ˜๋ก ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋‘์˜ฌ๋ง๊ณ ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋ผ๊ณ  ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ถ”์ฒœํ•  ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ, ๋‘์˜ฌ๋ง๊ณ  ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋ผ๋ฉด ๋ฆด๋ฆฌ์™€ ์—ฐ์Šตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‘์˜ฌ๋ง๊ณ  ๋งฅ์Šค๋ฅผ ์ด์šฉํ•˜๋ผ๊ณ  ๊ถŒ์žฅํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

Shweta Khajuria
๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์ง„ํ–‰์ž
๋” ์ด์ƒ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์—†๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ํ™•์ธ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์งˆ์˜์‘๋‹ต ์„ธ์…˜์„ ๋งˆ์น˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ๋งˆ๋ฌด๋ฆฌ ๋ฐœ์–ธ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ง„ํ–‰์ž์—๊ฒŒ ๋งˆ์ดํฌ๋ฅผ ๋„˜๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Luis von Ahn

Just want to say thank you. Thank you for the great questions. But more importantly, thank you to our excellent Duolingo employees for yet another great quarter. The team is firing on all cylinders. So, thank you and thank you everybody.
๋ฃจ์ด์Šค ํฐ ์•ˆ

ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋“ค์„ ํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ฌด์—‡๋ณด๋‹ค๋„, ๋˜ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ์˜ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์‹ค์ ์„ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ Duolingo ์ž„์ง์›๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ์˜ ๋ง์”€์„ ์ „ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํŒ€์€ ๋ชจ๋“  ๋ฉด์—์„œ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ชจ๋“  ๋ถ„๋“ค๊ป˜ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๐Ÿ“Œ ์š”์•ฝ

Here are the key points from the earnings call transcript:

โ€ข ์‹ค์  ํ•˜์ด๋ผ์ดํŠธ:
- ๊ตฌ๋…์ž์˜ 7%๊ฐ€ Duolingo Max ์‚ฌ์šฉ ์ค‘
- DAU(์ผ๊ฐ„ ํ™œ์„ฑ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž) ์ „๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ 49% ์ฆ๊ฐ€
- ์‹ ๊ทœ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž ๋Œ€์ƒ Super Duolingo ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ ์ธ์ƒ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ ํ›„ ์‹ค์ œ ์ธ์ƒ ์ง„ํ–‰

โ€ข AI ๊ด€๋ จ ์ฃผ์š” ๋‚ด์šฉ:
- AI๋ฅผ ํ™œ์šฉํ•ด 12๊ฐœ์›” ๋งŒ์— 148๊ฐœ์˜ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์–ธ์–ด ์ฝ”์Šค ์ถœ์‹œ (๊ธฐ์กด์—๋Š” 100๊ฐœ ์ฝ”์Šค ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ์— 12๋…„ ์†Œ์š”)
- AI๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•œ ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ  ์ œ์ž‘ ์ž๋™ํ™”๋กœ ๋น„์šฉ ํšจ์œจ์„ฑ ํ–ฅ์ƒ
- Video Call with Lily ๋“ฑ AI ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ ์ง€์† ๊ฐœ์„  ์ค‘

โ€ข ์‹ ๊ทœ ์‚ฌ์—… ์ „๋žต:
- ์ฒด์Šค, ์ˆ˜ํ•™, ์Œ์•… ๋“ฑ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ณผ๋ชฉ ํ™•๋Œ€ ์ค‘
- ๊ฐ ๊ณผ๋ชฉ๋ณ„๋กœ ๊ด‘๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฑฐ ๋“ฑ ์ˆ˜์ตํ™” ๋ชจ๋ธ ์ ์šฉ
- ์žฅ๊ธฐ ํ•™์Šต์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๋Œ€์ค‘์  ๊ณผ๋ชฉ ์ค‘์‹ฌ์œผ๋กœ ํ™•์žฅ ๊ณ„ํš

์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋‚ด์šฉ์€ Duolingo๊ฐ€ AI๋ฅผ ์ ๊ทน ํ™œ์šฉํ•ด ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ํ™•์žฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ๊ธฐ์กด ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์„ ๋„˜์–ด ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๊ต์œก ๋ถ„์•ผ๋กœ ์ง„์ถœํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Œ์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.