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| Carnival Corporation & plc (NYSE:CCL) Q3 2025 Earnings Call September 29, 2025 10:00 AM EDT Company Participants Beth Roberts - Senior Vice President of Investor Relations Josh Weinstein - CEO & Director David Bernstein - CFO & Chief Accounting Officer Conference Call Participants Robin Farley - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division Brandt Montour - Barclays Bank PLC, Research Division Steven Wieczynski - Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Incorporated, Research Division James Hardiman - Citigroup Inc., Research Division Benjamin Chaiken - Mizuho Securities USA LLC, Research Division Matthew Boss - JPMorgan Chase & Co, Research Division Conor Cunningham - Melius Research LLC Elizabeth Dove - Goldman Sachs Group, Inc., Research Division David Katz - Jefferies LLC, Research Division Sharon Zackfia - William Blair & Company L.L.C., Research Division Christopher Stathoulopoulos - Susquehanna Financial Group, LLLP, Research Division Vince Ciepiel - Cleveland Research Company LLC Presentation Operator Greetings, and welcome to the Carnival Corporation & plc Q3 2025 Earnings Results Conference Call and Webcast. | ์นด๋๋ฐ ์ฝํผ๋ ์ด์
์ค plc (NYSE:CCL) 2025๋
3๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค์ ๋ฐํ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค ์ฝ 2025๋
9์ 29์ผ ์ค์ 10:00 EDT ์ฐธ์์ ํ์ฌ ์ฐธ์์ ๋ฒ ์ค ๋ก๋ฒ์ธ - ํฌ์์ ๊ด๊ณ ๋ด๋น ์์ ๋ถ์ฌ์ฅ ์กฐ์ ์์ธ์คํ์ธ - CEO ๊ฒธ ์ด์ฌ ๋ฐ์ด๋น๋ ๋ฒ์คํ์ธ - CFO ๊ฒธ ์์ ํ๊ณ ์ฑ ์์ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค ์ฝ ์ฐธ์์ ๋ก๋น ํ๋ฆฌ - UBS ์ธ๋ฒ ์คํธ๋จผํธ ๋ฑ ํฌ, ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ๋ธ๋ํธ ๋ชฌํฌ์ด - ๋ฐํด๋ ์ด์ฆ ๋ฑ ํฌ PLC, ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ์คํฐ๋ธ ๋น์์น์คํค - ์คํฐํ , ๋์ฝ๋ผ์ฐ์ค ์ค ์ปดํผ๋, ์ธ์ฝํผ๋ ์ดํฐ๋, ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ์ ์์ค ํ๋๋ง - ์ํฐ๊ทธ๋ฃน ์ธํฌ., ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ๋ฒค์๋ฏผ ์ฐจ์ด์ผ - ๋ฏธ์ฆํธ ์ํ๋ฆฌํฐ์ฆ USA LLC, ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ๋งคํ ๋ณด์ค - JP๋ชจ๊ฑด ์ฒด์ด์ค ์ค ์ฝ, ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ์ฝ๋ ์ปค๋ํ - ๋ฉ๋ฆฌ์ฐ์ค ๋ฆฌ์์น LLC ์๋ฆฌ์๋ฒ ์ค ๋๋ธ - ๊ณจ๋๋ง์ญ์ค ๊ทธ๋ฃน, ์ธํฌ., ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ๋ฐ์ด๋น๋ ์นด์ธ - ์ ํผ๋ฆฌ์ค LLC, ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ์ค๋ก ์ญํผ์ - ์๋ฆฌ์ ๋ธ๋ ์ด ์ค ์ปดํผ๋ L.L.C., ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ํฌ๋ฆฌ์คํ ํผ ์คํํด๋กํ๋ก์ค - ์์ค์ผํ๋ ํ์ด๋ธ์ ๊ทธ๋ฃน, LLLP, ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ๋น์ค ์์ํผ์ - ํด๋ฆฌ๋ธ๋๋ ๋ฆฌ์์น ์ปดํผ๋ LLC ๋ฐํ ์ด์์ ์๋ ํ์ญ๋๋ค. ์นด๋๋ฐ ์ฝํผ๋ ์ด์ ์ค plc 2025๋ 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค์ ๋ฐํ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค ์ฝ ๋ฐ ์น์บ์คํธ์ ์ค์ ๊ฒ์ ํ์ํฉ๋๋ค. |
| [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Beth Roberts. Please go ahead, Beth. Beth Roberts Senior Vice President of Investor Relations Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to our third quarter 2025 earnings conference call. I'm joined today by our CEO, Josh Weinstein; our CFO, David Bernstein; and our Chair, Micky Arison. Before we begin, please note that some of our remarks on this call will be forward-looking. Therefore, I will refer you to today's press release and our filings with the SEC for additional information on factors and risks that could cause actual results to differ from our expectations. | [์ด์์ ์๋ด] ์ฐธ๊ณ ๋ก ์ด ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค๋ ๋
น์๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด์ ๋ฒ ์ค ๋ก๋ฒ์ธ ์๊ฒ ํตํ๋ฅผ ๋๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฒ ์ค, ์งํํด ์ฃผ์ธ์. ๋ฒ ์ค ๋ก๋ฒ์ธ ํฌ์์ ๊ด๊ณ ๋ด๋น ์์ ๋ถ์ฌ์ฅ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์๋ ํ์ธ์, 2025๋ 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค์ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค ์ฝ์ ์ค์ ๊ฒ์ ํ์ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ค๋ ์ ์ ํจ๊ป ์กฐ์ ์์ธ์คํ์ธ CEO, ๋ฐ์ด๋น๋ ๋ฒ์คํ์ธ CFO, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋ฏธํค ์๋ฆฌ์จ ํ์ฅ์ด ์ฐธ์ํ์ต๋๋ค. ์์ํ๊ธฐ ์ ์, ์ค๋ ํตํ์์ ์ผ๋ถ ๋ฐ์ธ์ ๋ฏธ๋ ์ ๋ง์ ๊ดํ ๋ด์ฉ์์ ์๋ ค๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ค์ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๊ฐ ์ ํฌ ์์๊ณผ ๋ค๋ฅผ ์ ์๋ ์์ธ๊ณผ ์ํ์ ๋ํ ์ถ๊ฐ ์ ๋ณด๋ ์ค๋ ๋ณด๋์๋ฃ์ SEC ์ ์ถ ์๋ฅ๋ฅผ ์ฐธ์กฐํด ์ฃผ์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค. |
| We will be referencing certain non-GAAP financial measures, including yields, cruise costs without fuel, EBITDA, net income, ROIC and related statistics for all, which are on a net basis or adjusted as defined, unless otherwise stated. A reconciliation to U.S. GAAP is included in our earnings press release and our investor presentation, which are available on our corporate website. References to ticket prices, yields and cruise costs without fuel are in constant currency unless we note otherwise. Please visit our corporate website where our earnings press release and investor presentation can be found. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Josh. | ์ ํฌ๋ ํน์ ๋นGAAP ์ฌ๋ฌด ์งํ๋ค์ ์ฐธ์กฐํ ์์ ์ ๋๋ค. ์ฌ๊ธฐ์๋ ์์ต๋ฅ , ์ฐ๋ฃ๋น ์ ์ธ ํฌ๋ฃจ์ฆ ๋น์ฉ, EBITDA, ์์ด์ต, ROIC ๋ฐ ๊ด๋ จ ํต๊ณ๋ค์ด ํฌํจ๋๋ฉฐ, ๋ณ๋๋ก ๋ช ์๋์ง ์๋ ํ ๋ชจ๋ ์ ๊ธฐ์ค ๋๋ ์ ์๋ ๋ฐ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ์กฐ์ ๋ ์์น์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฏธ๊ตญ GAAP์์ ์กฐ์ ํ๋ ์ ํฌ ์ค์ ๋ณด๋์๋ฃ์ ํฌ์์ ํ๋ ์ ํ ์ด์ ์ ํฌํจ๋์ด ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ์ ํฌ ๊ธฐ์ ์น์ฌ์ดํธ์์ ํ์ธํ์ค ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํฐ์ผ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ, ์์ต๋ฅ , ์ฐ๋ฃ๋น ์ ์ธ ํฌ๋ฃจ์ฆ ๋น์ฉ์ ๋ํ ์ธ๊ธ์ ๋ณ๋๋ก ํ์ํ์ง ์๋ ํ ์ผ์ ํตํ ๊ธฐ์ค์ ๋๋ค. ์ค์ ๋ณด๋์๋ฃ์ ํฌ์์ ํ๋ ์ ํ ์ด์ ์ ํ์ธํ์ค ์ ์๋ ์ ํฌ ๊ธฐ์ ์น์ฌ์ดํธ๋ฅผ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธํด ์ฃผ์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ผ ์ด์ Josh์๊ฒ ๋ฐ์ธ๊ถ์ ๋๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Josh Weinstein CEO & Director Thanks, Beth. This was a truly outstanding quarter with our business continuing to fire on all cylinders, outperforming and taking us to new heights. Once again, we delivered record revenues, yields, operating income, EBITDA and customer deposits. This quarter, we also achieved all-time high net income of $2 billion, surpassing our pre-pause benchmark by nearly 10%. This is a significant milestone with strong operational execution more than compensating for a nearly 600% increase in net interest expense compared to 2019. On a unit basis, both operating income and EBITDA reached the highest levels in the better part of 20 years. | ์กฐ์ ์์ธ์คํ์ธ CEO ๊ฒธ ์ด์ฌ ๋ฒ ์ค, ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ ์ ๋ง ๋ฐ์ด๋ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ฑฐ๋ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ ํฌ ์ฌ์ ์ด ๋ชจ๋ ๋ฉด์์ ๊ณ์ํด์ ์๋ฒฝํ๊ฒ ์๋ํ๋ฉด์ ๊ธฐ๋๋ฅผ ๋ฐ์ด๋๊ณ ์๋ก์ด ์ ์ ์ ๋๋ฌํ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ค์ ํ๋ฒ ๋งค์ถ, ์์ต๋ฅ , ์์ ์ด์ต, EBITDA, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์๊ธ์์ ๊ธฐ๋ก์ ๊ฒฝ์ ํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์๋ ๋ํ ์ฌ์ ์ต๊ณ ์์ด์ต์ธ 20์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ฌ ์ดํญ ์ค๋จ ์ด์ ๋ฒค์น๋งํฌ๋ฅผ ๊ฑฐ์ 10% ์ํํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ 2019๋ ๋๋น ๊ฑฐ์ 600% ์ฆ๊ฐํ ์์ด์๋น์ฉ์ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์ด์ ์คํ๋ ฅ์ด ์ถฉ๋ถํ ์์ํ๊ณ ๋ ๋จ๋ ์ค์ํ ์ด์ ํ์ ๋๋ค. ๋จ์ ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก ๋ณผ ๋, ์์ ์ด์ต๊ณผ EBITDA ๋ชจ๋ ์ง๋ 20๋ ์ค ์ต๊ณ ์์ค์ ๋๋ฌํ์ต๋๋ค. |
| These record results were delivered on 2.5% lower capacity as compared to the third quarter last year, yet another proof point on our successful delivery of same-ship yield improvement and its marked impact on the bottom line. In fact, yields increased 4.6%, all of which was achieved on a same-ship basis. Yields were also over 1 point better than guidance, again, due to the strength in both close-in demand and onboard spending. Unit costs beat guidance by 1.5 points on continued cost discipline. The outperformance on revenue and costs, alongside our refinancing efforts, enabled us to take up our full year guidance for the third time this year. | ์ด๋ฌํ ๊ธฐ๋ก์ ์ธ ์ค์ ์ ์๋ 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น 2.5% ๋ฎ์ ์ดํญ ์ฉ๋์ผ๋ก ๋ฌ์ฑ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก, ๋์ผ ์ ๋ฐ ๊ธฐ์ค ์์ต๋ฅ ๊ฐ์ ์ ์ฑ๊ณต์ ์ธ ์คํ๊ณผ ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ด ์์ต์ฑ์ ๋ฏธ์น๋ ๋๋ ทํ ์ํฅ์ ๋ณด์ฌ์ฃผ๋ ๋ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์ ๋๋ค. ์ค์ ๋ก ์์ต๋ฅ ์ 4.6% ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ๋ชจ๋ ๋์ผ ์ ๋ฐ ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก ๋ฌ์ฑ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์์ต๋ฅ ์ ๋ํ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ณด๋ค 1ํฌ์ธํธ ์ด์ ์ฐ์ํ๋๋ฐ, ์ด๋ ๋ง๋ฐ์ง ์์์ ์ ์ ์ง์ถ ๋ชจ๋์ ๊ฐ์ธ์ ๊ธฐ์ธํฉ๋๋ค. ๋จ์ ๋น์ฉ์ ์ง์์ ์ธ ๋น์ฉ ์ ์ ๋ก ์ธํด ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ฅผ 1.5ํฌ์ธํธ ์ํํ์ต๋๋ค. ๋งค์ถ๊ณผ ๋น์ฉ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ์ด๊ณผ ๋ฌ์ฑ๊ณผ ๋๋ถ์ด ๋ฆฌํ์ด๋ธ์ฑ ๋ ธ๋ ฅ์ด ๊ฒฐํฉ๋์ด ์ฌํด ์ธ ๋ฒ์งธ๋ก ์ฐ๊ฐ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ฅผ ์ํฅ ์กฐ์ ํ ์ ์๊ฒ ๋์์ต๋๋ค. |
| These fantastic results and our team's consistently strong execution delivered ROIC of 13% for the trailing 12 months. This is the first time since 2007, nearly 20 years ago, that returns have reached the teens, another clear testament to the fundamental improvements in our operational performance. Our leverage is now down another notch to 3.6x net debt to EBITDA, closing in on investment-grade leverage metrics. This positions us even closer to using our strong and growing free cash flow to not only continue to responsibly delever, but also to return capital to shareholders. In fact, just today, we called the remaining converts using $500 million of cash that David will touch upon. | ์ด๋ฌํ ๋ฐ์ด๋ ์ค์ ๊ณผ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ํ์ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์คํ๋ ฅ์ ํตํด ์ง๋ 12๊ฐ์ ๋์ ROIC 13%๋ฅผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ 2007๋ ์ดํ ๊ฑฐ์ 20๋ ๋ง์ ์ฒ์์ผ๋ก ์์ต๋ฅ ์ด 10%๋์ ๋๋ฌํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์ด์ ์ฑ๊ณผ๊ฐ ๊ทผ๋ณธ์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ฐ์ ๋์์์ ๋ณด์ฌ์ฃผ๋ ๋ ๋ค๋ฅธ ๋ช ํํ ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์ ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง๋ ์๋ถ์ฑ ๋ EBITDA ๋น์จ์ด 3.6๋ฐฐ๋ก ํ ๋จ๊ณ ๋ ๋ฎ์์ ธ ํฌ์๋ฑ๊ธ ๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง ์งํ์ ๊ทผ์ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ๊ณ ์ฆ๊ฐํ๋ ์์ฌํ๊ธํ๋ฆ์ ํ์ฉํ์ฌ ์ฑ ์๊ฐ ์๋ ๋๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง์ ์ง์ํ ๋ฟ๋ง ์๋๋ผ ์ฃผ์ฃผ๋ค์๊ฒ ์๋ณธ์ ํ์ํ ์ ์๋ ์์น์ ๋์ฑ ๊ฐ๊น์์ก์์ ์๋ฏธํฉ๋๋ค. ์ค์ ๋ก ์ค๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ 5์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ์ ํ๊ธ์ ์ฌ์ฉํ์ฌ ์์ฌ ์ ํ์ฌ์ฑ๋ฅผ ์กฐ๊ธฐ์ํ ๊ณต๊ณ ํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด์ ๋ํด์๋ David๊ฐ ์์ธํ ์ค๋ช ํ ์์ ์ ๋๋ค. |
| To fuel this over the longer term, we believe we have much more opportunity to increase same-ship yields and further close the unbelievable value gap to land-based alternatives, pushing margins and returns even higher over time. In fact, booking trends have continued to improve since our last update, nicely outpacing capacity growth at higher prices and setting a record for bookings made on sailings 2 years out. And with nearly half of 2026 already on the books at higher prices, we feel pretty good about next year. We just welcomed Star Princess into the fleet, sister to the highly successful Sun Princess, previously awarded Conde Nast's 2024 Mega Ship of the Year. | ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ด๋ฅผ ๋ท๋ฐ์นจํ๊ธฐ ์ํด, ์ ํฌ๋ ๋์ผ ์ ๋ฐ ์์ต๋ฅ ์ ์ฆ๋์ํค๊ณ ์ก์ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ ๋์ ๋๋น ๋ฏฟ์ ์ ์์ ์ ๋์ ๊ฐ์น ๊ฒฉ์ฐจ๋ฅผ ๋์ฑ ์ค์ฌ๋๊ฐ ์ ์๋ ํจ์ฌ ๋ ๋ง์ ๊ธฐํ๊ฐ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ฏฟ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ฅผ ํตํด ์๊ฐ์ด ์ง๋จ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ๋ง์ง๊ณผ ์์ต๋ฅ ์ ๋์ฑ ๋์ผ ์ ์์ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ค์ ๋ก ์ง๋ ์ ๋ฐ์ดํธ ์ดํ ์์ฝ ํธ๋ ๋๋ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ฐ์ ๋์ด ๋ ๋์ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ์์ ์ดํญ ๋ฅ๋ ฅ ์ฆ๊ฐ์จ์ ํฌ๊ฒ ์์ง๋ฅด๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, 2๋ ํ ์ถํญ ์์ฝ์์ ๊ธฐ๋ก์ ์ธ์ฐ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 2026๋ ์ ๊ฑฐ์ ์ ๋ฐ์ด ์ด๋ฏธ ๋ ๋์ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ์ผ๋ก ์์ฝ๋์ด ์์ด, ๋ด๋ ์ ๋ํด ์๋นํ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ์ต๊ทผ ์คํ ํ๋ฆฐ์ธ์คํธ๋ฅผ ํจ๋์ ํฉ๋ฅ์์ผฐ๋๋ฐ, ์ด๋ ์ด์ ์ ์ฝฉ๋ฐ ๋์คํธ 2024๋ ๋ฉ๊ฐ์ญ ์ค๋ธ ๋ ์ด์ด๋ก ์์ํ ๋ฐ ์๋ ๋งค์ฐ ์ฑ๊ณต์ ์ธ ์ ํ๋ฆฐ์ธ์คํธ์ ์๋งค์ ์ ๋๋ค. |
| This new ship class will now represent over 15% of the Princess fleet, a nice tailwind for the brand next year. Of course, we also have the full benefit of Celebration Key and the continued rollout of our destination development strategy as we progress through next year. Celebration Key is as phenomenal as we expected and opened to rave reviews. I could not be prouder of both the Carnival Cruise Line and our destination development teams for not only getting this fantastic development done on time and on budget, but also delivering an amazing guest experience right from the start. | ์ด ์๋ก์ด ์ ๋ฐ ํด๋์ค๋ ์ด์ ํ๋ฆฐ์ธ์ค ํจ๋์ 15% ์ด์์ ์ฐจ์งํ๊ฒ ๋์ด, ๋ด๋ ๋ธ๋๋์ ์ข์ ์ํ์ด ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก ๋ด๋ ์ ์งํํ๋ฉด์ ์ ๋ฌ๋ธ๋ ์ด์ ํค์ ์์ ํ ํจ๊ณผ์ ๋ชฉ์ ์ง ๊ฐ๋ฐ ์ ๋ต์ ์ง์์ ์ธ ํ๋๋ ๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ ๋ฌ๋ธ๋ ์ด์ ํค๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๊ธฐ๋ํ๋ ๋งํผ ๋๋ผ์ด ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๋ฉฐ ๊ทน์ฐฌ์ ๋ฐ์ผ๋ฉฐ ๊ฐ์ฅํ์ต๋๋ค. ์นด๋๋ฐ ํฌ๋ฃจ์ฆ ๋ผ์ธ๊ณผ ๋ชฉ์ ์ง ๊ฐ๋ฐํ์ด ์ด ํ์์ ์ธ ๊ฐ๋ฐ์ ์์ ๋๋ก ์์ฐ ๋ด์์ ์๋ฃํ์ ๋ฟ๋ง ์๋๋ผ, ์ฒ์๋ถํฐ ๋๋ผ์ด ๊ณ ๊ฐ ๊ฒฝํ์ ์ ๊ณตํ ๊ฒ์ ๋ํด ๋ํ ๋์ ์์ด ์๋์ค๋ฝ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Since our late July opening, nearly 0.5 million Carnival Cruise Line guests have already passed through the sun-shaped arch in Paradise Plaza, soaking in the largest freshwater lagoon in the Caribbean, heading up to the top of the world's largest sandcastle, zipping down our racing water slides or enjoying a cool cocktail at the world's largest swim-up bar. While early guest feedback from Celebration Key has been fantastic, we are paying close attention to our guests' suggestions, and we'll continue to fine-tune operations and strive for continuous improvement to make the experience for our guests even better. | 7์ ๋ง ๊ฐ์ฅ ์ดํ, ๊ฑฐ์ 50๋ง ๋ช ์ ์นด๋๋ฐ ํฌ๋ฃจ์ฆ ๋ผ์ธ ์น๊ฐ๋ค์ด ์ด๋ฏธ ํ๋ผ๋ค์ด์ค ํ๋ผ์์ ํ์ ๋ชจ์ ์์น๋ฅผ ํต๊ณผํ์ฌ ์นด๋ฆฌ๋ธํด ์ต๋ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ๋ด์ ๋ผ๊ตฐ์์ ํด์์ ์ทจํ๊ณ , ์ธ๊ณ ์ต๋ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ๋ชจ๋์ฑ ๊ผญ๋๊ธฐ๋ก ์ฌ๋ผ๊ฐ๊ฑฐ๋, ๊ฒฝ์ฃผ์ฉ ์ํฐ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋๋ฅผ ํ๊ณ ๋ด๋ ค์ค๊ฑฐ๋, ์ธ๊ณ ์ต๋ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ์์์ฅ ๋ฐ์์ ์์ํ ์นตํ ์ผ์ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๋ ๋ธ๋ ์ด์ ํค์ ๋ํ ์ด๊ธฐ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ํผ๋๋ฐฑ์ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ด์์ง๋ง, ์ ํฌ๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ ์ ์์ฌํญ์ ์ธ์ฌํ ์ฃผ์๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ์ธ์ด๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ ๊ฒฝํ์ ๋์ฑ ํฅ์์ํค๊ธฐ ์ํด ์ด์์ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ฐ์ ํ๊ณ ๋์์๋ ๋ฐ์ ์ ์ํด ๋ ธ๋ ฅํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| As you may have seen, the media coverage for our new destination has been overwhelmingly positive. Even before opening, we were amongst the most searched cruise destinations, and we have clearly built on that success. Our marketing teams have been working around the clock to make Celebration Key a household name. The grand opening alone generated almost 1.5 billion media impressions, and we've been activating a ton of live footage from the destination on social media and the like ever since. Celebration Key is sure to increase consideration amongst new-to-cruise, while at the same time, giving our repeat guests yet another reason to come back soon. | ๋ณด์๋ค์ํผ, ์ ํฌ์ ์๋ก์ด ๋ชฉ์ ์ง์ ๋ํ ์ธ๋ก ๋ณด๋๋ ์๋์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ธ์ ์ ์ด์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ฐ์ฅ ์ ๋ถํฐ ์ ํฌ๋ ๊ฐ์ฅ ๋ง์ด ๊ฒ์๋๋ ํฌ๋ฃจ์ฆ ๋ชฉ์ ์ง ์ค ํ๋์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ๋ถ๋ช ํ ๊ทธ ์ฑ๊ณต์ ๋์ฑ ๋ฐ์ ์์ผ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ ๋ง์ผํ ํ์ Celebration Key๋ฅผ ๋๊ตฌ๋ ์๋ ๋ธ๋๋๋ก ๋ง๋ค๊ธฐ ์ํด ๋ฐค๋ฎ์์ด ๋ ธ๋ ฅํด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋๋ ์คํ๋๋ง์ผ๋ก๋ ๊ฑฐ์ 15์ต ๊ฑด์ ๋ฏธ๋์ด ๋ ธ์ถ์ ์ฐฝ์ถํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ๊ทธ ์ดํ๋ก ์์ ๋ฏธ๋์ด ๋ฑ์ ํตํด ํด๋น ๋ชฉ์ ์ง์ ์์ํ ์์ ์ฝํ ์ธ ๋ฅผ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ํ์ฉํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. Celebration Key๋ ํฌ๋ฃจ์ฆ๋ฅผ ์ฒ์ ์ด์ฉํ๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ ๊ด์ฌ์ ํ์คํ ์ฆ๊ฐ์ํค๋ ๋์์, ๊ธฐ์กด ์ฌ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์๊ฒ๋ ๊ณง ๋ค์ ๋์์ฌ ๋ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์ด์ ๋ฅผ ์ ๊ณตํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| In fact, we expect word of mouth will continue to build with 2.8 million guests visiting Celebration Key next year on 20 Carnival ships leaving from 12 different home ports. This adds up to high utilization rates with a ship in port virtually every day of the year, and at least 2 ships 85% of the time. To that end, our peer extension is in progress and by next fall, we will accommodate up to 4 ships at a time, allowing us to maximize the utilization of our existing land capacity. | ์ค์ ๋ก ๋ด๋ ์ 12๊ฐ์ ์๋ก ๋ค๋ฅธ ๋ชจํญ์์ ์ถ๋ฐํ๋ 20์ฒ์ ์นด๋๋ฐ ์ ๋ฐ์ ํตํด 280๋ง ๋ช ์ ์น๊ฐ์ด ์ ๋ ๋ธ๋ ์ด์ ํค๋ฅผ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธํ ์์ ์ด์ด์ ์ ์๋ฌธ์ด ๊ณ์ ํ์ฐ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์ฐ์ค ๊ฑฐ์ ๋งค์ผ ์ ๋ฐ์ด ์ ํญํ๊ณ , 85%์ ์๊ฐ ๋์ ์ต์ 2์ฒ์ ์ ๋ฐ์ด ์ ๋ฐํ๋ ๋์ ๊ฐ๋๋ฅ ๋ก ์ด์ด์ง๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฅผ ์ํด ๋ถ๋ ํ์ฅ ๊ณต์ฌ๊ฐ ์งํ ์ค์ด๋ฉฐ, ๋ด๋ ๊ฐ์๊น์ง ์ต๋ 4์ฒ์ ์ ๋ฐ์ ๋์์ ์์ฉํ ์ ์๊ฒ ๋์ด ๊ธฐ์กด ์ก์ ์์ค ์ฉ๋์ ์ต๋ํ ํ์ฉํ ์ ์๊ฒ ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| And because I know I will get asked, right off the bat, I'll just say, in the early innings, the returns of our Celebration Key investment are indeed meeting expectations, all of which were built into our forecast and which we have exceeded. Switching gears to another of our Caribbean gems, mid next year, we will also open the pier expansion at RelaxAway, Half Moon Cay, our pristine Caribbean oasis. This spectacular tropical paradise, already ranked amongst the best private islands in the Caribbean, invites our guests to relax and enjoy our white sand crescent beach and crystal-clear turquoise waters. | ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋ถ๋ช ํ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฒ์ ์๊ณ ์๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์, ์ฒ์๋ถํฐ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ์๋ฉด, ์ด๊ธฐ ๋จ๊ณ์์ ์ ํฌ Celebration Key ํฌ์์ ์์ต๋ฅ ์ ์ค์ ๋ก ๊ธฐ๋์น๋ฅผ ์ถฉ์กฑํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ๋ชจ๋ ์ ํฌ ์์ธก์ ๋ฐ์๋์ด ์์๊ณ ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ด๋ฅผ ์ํํ๋ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ฑฐ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ์ ๋ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์นด๋ฆฌ๋ธํด ๋ณด์์ผ๋ก ํ์ ๋ฅผ ๋๋ ค๋ณด๋ฉด, ๋ด๋ ์ค๋ฐ์๋ ์ ํฌ์ ๊นจ๋ํ ์นด๋ฆฌ๋ธํด ์ค์์์ค์ธ RelaxAway, Half Moon Cay์์ ๋ถ๋ ํ์ฅ ๊ณต์ฌ๋ ๊ฐ์ฅํ ์์ ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฏธ ์นด๋ฆฌ๋ธํด ์ต๊ณ ์ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ์์ผ๋๋ ์ค ํ๋๋ก ํ๊ฐ๋ฐ๊ณ ์๋ ์ด ์ฅ๊ด์ ์ด๋ ๋์์ ์ ํฌ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ด ํ์ ๋ชจ๋์ ์ด์น๋ฌ ํด๋ณ๊ณผ ์์ ์ฒ๋ผ ๋ง์ ํฐํค์ ๋น ๋ฐ๋ค์์ ํด์์ ์ทจํ๊ณ ์ฆ๊ธธ ์ ์๋๋ก ์ด๋ํฉ๋๋ค. |
| Once both piers are operating, one out of every five Carnival Cruise Line Caribbean itineraries will go to these perfectly paired destinations, providing guests with both the ultimate and the idyllic beach days, all in one vacation. And overall, the vast majority of our Caribbean guests will enjoy one of our seven purpose-built Caribbean gems with half of those guests visiting more than one. As beaches are the #1 destination for vacationing Americans, our miles upon miles of some of the most beautiful beaches in the world are the perfect fix. | ๋ ๋ถ๋๊ฐ ๋ชจ๋ ์ด์๋๋ฉด, ์นด๋๋ฐ ํฌ๋ฃจ์ฆ ๋ผ์ธ์ ์นด๋ฆฌ๋ธํด ์ผ์ ์ค 5๋ถ์ 1์ด ์ด ์๋ฒฝํ๊ฒ ์กฐํ๋ ๋ชฉ์ ์ง๋ค์ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธํ๊ฒ ๋์ด, ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์๊ฒ ์ต๊ณ ์ ํด๋ณ๊ณผ ๋ชฉ๊ฐ์ ์ธ ํด๋ณ์ ๋ชจ๋ ํ๋์ ํด๊ฐ์์ ๊ฒฝํํ ์ ์๋ ๊ธฐํ๋ฅผ ์ ๊ณตํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ์นด๋ฆฌ๋ธํด ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ ๋๋ค์๊ฐ ๋น์ฌ์ 7๊ฐ ์นด๋ฆฌ๋ธํด ์ ์ฉ ์์ค ์ค ํ๋๋ฅผ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๊ฒ ๋ ๊ฒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ด ์ค ์ ๋ฐ์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ ํ ๊ณณ ์ด์์ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธํ๊ฒ ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ํด๋ณ์ด ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ธ๋ค์ 1์์ ํด๊ฐ ๋ชฉ์ ์ง์ธ ๋งํผ, ์ธ๊ณ์์ ๊ฐ์ฅ ์๋ฆ๋ค์ด ํด๋ณ๋ค์ด ์ ๋ง์ผ์ ๊ฑธ์ณ ํผ์ณ์ง ๋น์ฌ์ ์์ค๋ค์ ์๋ฒฝํ ํด๊ฒฐ์ฑ ์ด ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| By making targeted incremental investments and stepping up our marketing efforts to support this broad destination portfolio, we believe we have further opportunity to monetize these strategic assets by using them to drive consumer consideration and conversion, taking share from land-based alternatives. Altogether, our exclusive Caribbean destinations will capture over 8 million guest visits next year, almost equal to the rest of the cruise industry combined. And let's not forget our strategic portfolio of brands and assets stretch far beyond the Caribbean. | ์ด๋ฌํ ๊ด๋ฒ์ํ ๋ชฉ์ ์ง ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค๋ฅผ ์ง์ํ๊ธฐ ์ํด ํ๊ฒํ ๋ ์ ์ง์ ํฌ์๋ฅผ ์คํํ๊ณ ๋ง์ผํ ๋ ธ๋ ฅ์ ๊ฐํํจ์ผ๋ก์จ, ์๋น์ ๊ณ ๋ ค๋์ ์ ํ์จ์ ๋์ด๊ณ ์ก์ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ ๋์๋ค๋ก๋ถํฐ ์์ฅ ์ ์ ์จ์ ํ๋ณดํ๋ ๋ฐ ์ด๋ฌํ ์ ๋ต์ ์์ฐ๋ค์ ํ์ฉํ์ฌ ์์ตํํ ์ถ๊ฐ์ ์ธ ๊ธฐํ๊ฐ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ฏฟ์ต๋๋ค. ์ ์ฒด์ ์ผ๋ก, ์ ํฌ์ ๋ ์ ์ ์ธ ์นด๋ฆฌ๋ธํด ๋ชฉ์ ์ง๋ค์ ๋ด๋ ์ 800๋ง ๋ช ์ด์์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธ์ ์ ์นํ ๊ฒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ๋๋จธ์ง ํฌ๋ฃจ์ฆ ์ ๊ณ ์ ์ฒด๋ฅผ ํฉ์น ๊ฒ๊ณผ ๊ฑฐ์ ๋ง๋จน๋ ์์ค์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ ํฌ์ ์ ๋ต์ ๋ธ๋๋ ๋ฐ ์์ฐ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค๋ ์นด๋ฆฌ๋ธํด๋ฅผ ํจ์ฌ ๋์ด์ ํ์ฅ๋์ด ์๋ค๋ ์ ์ ์์ง ๋ง์์ผ ํฉ๋๋ค. |
| We have, by far, the most assets in and capacity dedicated to Alaska, which has been incredibly strong this year as well as the biggest reach into Europe, which has likewise been performing incredibly well for us. Our portfolio of brands and land-based assets are clearly the largest and most diverse in the industry and getting even better every day. While getting to 13% ROIC so quickly is a significant achievement, it's certainly not a ceiling. We have been disciplined in deploying capital towards our highest returning brands with seven ships on order for Carnival and AIDA combined. But keep in mind, we have many other brands that are quickly progressing up the internal leaderboard. | ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๋จ์ฐ์ฝ ์๋์ค์นด์ ๊ฐ์ฅ ๋ง์ ์์ฐ๊ณผ ์ดํญ ๋ฅ๋ ฅ์ ๋ณด์ ํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ์ฌํด ๋งค์ฐ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ํ ์ ๋ฝ์ผ๋ก์ ๊ฐ์ฅ ํฐ ์ดํญ ๋ฒ์๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์ง๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด ์ญ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์๊ฒ ๋๋ผ์ด ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์ ธ๋ค์ฃผ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ๋ธ๋๋ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค์ ์ก์ ์์ฐ์ ์ ๊ณ์์ ๋ช ๋ฐฑํ ๊ฐ์ฅ ํฌ๊ณ ๋ค์ํ๋ฉฐ, ๋งค์ผ ๋์ฑ ๊ฐ์ ๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. 13% ROIC๋ฅผ ์ด๋ ๊ฒ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒ ๋ฌ์ฑํ ๊ฒ์ ์๋นํ ์ฑ๊ณผ์ด์ง๋ง, ์ด๊ฒ์ด ๊ฒฐ์ฝ ํ๊ณ๋ ์๋๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์นด๋๋ฐ๊ณผ AIDA๋ฅผ ํฉ์ณ 7์ฒ์ ์ ๋ฐ์ ๋ฐ์ฃผํ๋ฉฐ ๊ฐ์ฅ ๋์ ์์ต๋ฅ ์ ๋ด๋ ๋ธ๋๋์ ์๋ณธ์ ํฌ์ ํ๋ ๋ฐ ์์ด ๊ท์จ์ ์ ์งํด ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ๋ช ์ฌํ์ ์ผ ํ ์ ์, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์๊ฒ๋ ๋ด๋ถ ์์์์ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์์นํ๊ณ ์๋ ๋ค๋ฅธ ๋ง์ ๋ธ๋๋๋ค์ด ์๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| This year, the overwhelming majority of capacity will be at brands delivering double-digit returns. Yes, this is already well above our cost of capital, but our brands have much more room to significantly improve. In fact, several of our brands are not yet back to either 2019 levels or the record highs they've reached in the past 2 decades. So we know the latent potential they have. And even the two stars currently a top that internal leaderboard, AIDA and Carnival Cruise Line, have road maps to progress. AIDA will continue to benefit from its hugely successful Evolutions program, which coupled with new ship orders, will modernize its current fleet. | ์ฌํด ์ ์ฒด ์ดํญ ๋ฅ๋ ฅ์ ์๋์ ๋ค์๊ฐ ๋ ์๋ฆฟ์ ์์ต๋ฅ ์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ๋ ๋ธ๋๋๋ค์์ ๋์ฌ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์ด๋ฏธ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์๋ณธ๋น์ฉ์ ํจ์ฌ ์ํํ๋ ์์ค์ด์ง๋ง, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ธ๋๋๋ค์ ์ฌ์ ํ ์๋นํ ๊ฐ์ ์ฌ์ง๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์ง๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ค์ ๋ก ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ธ๋๋ ์ค ์ผ๋ถ๋ ์์ง 2019๋ ์์ค์ด๋ ์ง๋ 20๋ ๊ฐ ๋ฌ์ฑํ๋ ์ต๊ณ ๊ธฐ๋ก์๋ ๋ฏธ์น์ง ๋ชปํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ด๋ค์ด ๊ฐ์ง ์ ์ฌ๋ ฅ์ ์๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ํ์ฌ ๋ด๋ถ ๋ฆฌ๋๋ณด๋์์ ์ ๋๋ฅผ ๋ฌ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์๋ ๋ ์คํ ๋ธ๋๋์ธ AIDA์ ์นด๋๋ฐ ํฌ๋ฃจ์ฆ ๋ผ์ธ์กฐ์ฐจ๋ ๋ ๋ฐ์ ํ ์ ์๋ ๋ก๋๋งต์ ๊ฐ์ง๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. AIDA๋ ์ ๊ท ์ ๋ฐ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ๊ณผ ํจ๊ป ํ์ฌ ๋ณด์ ์ ๋จ์ ํ๋ํํ ๋์ฑ๊ณต์ ๊ฑฐ๋ ์๋ณผ๋ฃจ์ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ํํ์ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ฐ์ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Next month, AIDAluna will enter dry dock, the second of seven ships to receive this proven upgrade. Carnival will also be launching a fantastic new marketing campaign just ahead of wave season, an enhanced loyalty program mid next year and of course, stands to disproportionately benefit from the step-up we're making in our Caribbean destinations, given their large year-round Caribbean presence. So while it is incredibly rewarding to see the great progress our teams have made in such a short amount of time, I am equally excited about the opportunities ahead as we create shareholder value through continued progress on profitability and returns. | ๋ค์ ๋ฌ์๋ AIDAlunaํธ๊ฐ ๊ฑด์๋
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๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋ฌผ๋ก ์นด๋ฆฌ๋ธํด ์ง์ญ์์์ ๋๊ท๋ชจ ์ฐ์ค ์ดํญ์ผ๋ก ์ธํด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์นด๋ฆฌ๋ธํด ๋ชฉ์ ์ง์์ ์ถ์งํ๊ณ ์๋ ์
๊ทธ๋ ์ด๋๋ก๋ถํฐ ๋ถ๊ท ํ์ ์ผ๋ก ํฐ ํํ์ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋ฉ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ํ๋ค์ด ์ด๋ ๊ฒ ์งง์ ์๊ฐ ๋ด์ ์ด๋ฃฌ ํ๋ฅญํ ์ง์ ์ ๋ณด๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋งค์ฐ ๋ณด๋๋์ง๋ง, ์์ต์ฑ๊ณผ ์์ต๋ฅ ์์์ ์ง์์ ์ธ ๊ฐ์ ์ ํตํด ์ฃผ์ฃผ ๊ฐ์น๋ฅผ ์ฐฝ์ถํด ๋๊ฐ๋ ์์ผ๋ก์ ๊ธฐํ๋ค์ ๋ํด์๋ ๋๊ฐ์ด ๊ธฐ๋๊ฐ ํฝ๋๋ค. |
| At the same time, further balance sheet improvement should continue the transfer of enterprise value from bondholders back to shareholders. I would like to again thank our team members, ship and shore, for the dedication and execution which enabled us to deliver happiness to nearly 4 million guests this past quarter by providing them with extraordinary cruise vacations while honoring the integrity of every ocean we sail, place we visit and life we touch. And special thanks to our travel agent partners, destination partners, investors and of course, our loyal guests for their continuing support. With that, I'll turn the call over to David. | ๋์์, ์ถ๊ฐ์ ์ธ ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ ๊ฐ์ ์ ํตํด ๊ธฐ์ ๊ฐ์น๊ฐ ์ฑ๊ถ๋ณด์ ์๋ก๋ถํฐ ์ฃผ์ฃผ๋ค์๊ฒ ๋ค์ ์ด์ ๋๋ ๊ณผ์ ์ด ์ง์๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ง๋ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ํญํดํ๋ ๋ชจ๋ ๋ฐ๋ค, ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธํ๋ ๋ชจ๋ ์ฅ์, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ ํ๋ ๋ชจ๋ ์๋ช ์ ์จ์ ํจ์ ์งํค๋ฉด์ ํน๋ณํ ํฌ๋ฃจ์ฆ ํด๊ฐ๋ฅผ ์ ๊ณตํ์ฌ ๊ฑฐ์ 400๋ง ๋ช ์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์๊ฒ ํ๋ณต์ ์ ์ฌํ ์ ์๋๋ก ํ์ ๊ณผ ์คํ๋ ฅ์ ๋ณด์ฌ์ค ์ ์๊ณผ ์ก์์ ๋ชจ๋ ํ์๋ค์๊ฒ ๋ค์ ํ๋ฒ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ง์์ ์ธ ์ง์์ ๋ณด๋ด์ฃผ์๋ ์ฌํ์ฌ ํํธ๋๋ค, ๋ชฉ์ ์ง ํํธ๋๋ค, ํฌ์์๋ค, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ถฉ์ฑ์ค๋ฌ์ด ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค๊ป ํน๋ณํ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ฅผ ๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. ์ด์ ๋ฐ์ด๋น๋์๊ฒ ๋ฐ์ธ๊ถ์ ๋๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| David Bernstein CFO & Chief Accounting Officer Thank you, Josh. I'll start today with a summary of our 2025 third quarter results. Next, I will provide some color on our improved full year September guidance as well as some key insights on our fourth quarter. Then I'll provide you with a few things to consider for 2026 and finish up with an update on our efforts to rebuild our financial fortress through refinancing and deleveraging. Turning to the summary of our third quarter results. Net income exceeded June guidance by $182 million or $0.13 per share as we outperformed once again and achieved our highest-ever net income for the quarter. | ๋ฐ์ด๋น๋ ๋ฒ์คํ์ธ CFO ๊ฒธ ์ต๊ณ ํ๊ณ์ฑ ์์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค, ์กฐ์. ์ค๋์ ๋จผ์ 2025๋ 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค์ ์์ฝ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ค์์ผ๋ก ๊ฐ์ ๋ 9์ ์ฐ๊ฐ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค์ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ฃผ์ ์ธ์ฌ์ดํธ์ ๋ํด ์ค๋ช ๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ ํ 2026๋ ์ ๋ํด ๊ณ ๋ คํด์ผ ํ ๋ช ๊ฐ์ง ์ฌํญ์ ์ ๊ณตํ๊ณ , ๋ฆฌํ์ด๋ธ์ฑ๊ณผ ๋๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง์ ํตํ ์ฌ๋ฌด ์์ ์ฌ๊ฑด ๋ ธ๋ ฅ์ ๋ํ ์ ๋ฐ์ดํธ๋ก ๋ง๋ฌด๋ฆฌํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค์ ์์ฝ์ผ๋ก ๋์ด๊ฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์์ด์ต์ 6์ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ฅผ 1์ต 8,200๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ, ์ฆ ์ฃผ๋น 0.13๋ฌ๋ฌ ์ด๊ณผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ๋ค์ ํ๋ฒ ์ค์ ์ ์ํํ์ฌ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๊ธฐ์ค ์ญ๋ ์ต๊ณ ์์ด์ต์ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ต๋๋ค. |
| The outperformance was mainly driven by three things: First, favorability in revenue worth $0.04 per share as yields came in at 4.6% compared to the prior year, and that was on top of last year's robust increase of nearly 9%. This was 1.1 points better than June guidance, driven by continued strong close-in demand, resulting in higher ticket prices and the continuation of strong onboard spending. The increase in yields was driven by improvements on both sides of the Atlantic. Second, cruise cost without fuel per available lower berth day, or ALBD, were up 5.5% compared to the prior year. This was 1.5 points better than June guidance and was worth $0.03 per share. | ์ด๊ณผ ์ค์ ์ ์ฃผ๋ก ์ธ ๊ฐ์ง ์์ธ์ ์ํด ๋ฌ์ฑ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฒซ์งธ, ์์ต๋ฅ ์ด ์ ๋ ๋๋น 4.6%๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ๋ฉฐ ์ฃผ๋น 0.04๋ฌ๋ฌ ์๋น์ ์์ต ํธ์กฐ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์๋ ์ ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํ ์ฝ 9% ์ฆ๊ฐ์ ์ด์ด์ง ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ 6์ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค ๋๋น 1.1ํฌ์ธํธ ๊ฐ์ ๋ ์์น๋ก, ์ง์์ ์ธ ๋ง๋ฐ์ง ๊ฐํ ์์์ ํ์ ์ด ํญ๊ณต๋ฃ ์์น๊ณผ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์ ์ ์ง์ถ ์ง์์ด ์ด์ด์ง ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ์ ๋๋ค. ์์ต๋ฅ ์ฆ๊ฐ๋ ๋์์ ์์ชฝ ๋ชจ๋์์์ ๊ฐ์ ์ ์ํด ๊ฒฌ์ธ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ๋์งธ, ๊ฐ์ฉ ํ์ ์นจ๋์ผ(ALBD) ๋น ์ฐ๋ฃ๋น๋ฅผ ์ ์ธํ ํฌ๋ฃจ์ฆ ๋น์ฉ์ด ์ ๋ ๋๋น 5.5% ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ 6์ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ณด๋ค 1.5ํฌ์ธํธ ๊ฐ์ ๋ ์์น๋ก ์ฃผ๋น 0.03๋ฌ๋ฌ์ ๊ฐ์น์ ํด๋นํฉ๋๋ค. |
| The favorability was driven by cost-saving initiatives, which we firmed up during the quarter. These will flow through to our full year September guidance. And third, favorability in fuel consumption and fuel mix was worth $0.02 per share as our efforts and investments to continuously improve our energy efficiency of our operations, leveraging technology and best practices, paid off once again. The balance of the favorability, $0.04 per share, was a combination of improved depreciation expense and better fuel prices as well as favorable interest income and expense. | ์ด๋ฌํ ํธ์กฐ๋ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค์ ํ์ ํ ๋น์ฉ ์ ๊ฐ ์ด๋์ ํฐ๋ธ์ ์ํด ์ฃผ๋๋์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ 9์ ์ฐ๊ฐ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค์ ๋ฐ์๋ ์์ ์ ๋๋ค. ์ ์งธ, ์ฐ๋ฃ ์๋น๋ ๋ฐ ์ฐ๋ฃ ๋ฏน์ค์ ํธ์กฐ๊ฐ ์ฃผ๋น 0.02๋ฌ๋ฌ์ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ํฅ์ ๋ฏธ์ณค๋๋ฐ, ์ด๋ ๊ธฐ์ ๊ณผ ๋ชจ๋ฒ ์ฌ๋ก๋ฅผ ํ์ฉํ์ฌ ์ด์์ ์๋์ง ํจ์จ์ฑ์ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ฐ์ ํ๋ ค๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ๋ ธ๋ ฅ๊ณผ ํฌ์๊ฐ ๋ค์ ํ๋ฒ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ฑฐ๋ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ์ ๋๋ค. ๋๋จธ์ง ํธ์กฐ ์์ธ์ธ ์ฃผ๋น 0.04๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ ๊ฐ์ ๋ ๊ฐ๊ฐ์๊ฐ๋น์ ๋ ๋์ ์ฐ๋ฃ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ ๋ฆฌํ ์ด์ ์์ต ๋ฐ ๋น์ฉ์ ์กฐํฉ์ผ๋ก ๊ตฌ์ฑ๋์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Customer deposits at the end of the quarter were at a record for the third quarter at $7.1 billion, up over $300 million versus the prior year, driven by higher ticket pricing and increased sales of pre-cruise onboard revenue items. Next, I will provide some color on our improved full year September guidance. Our net income guidance of approximately $2.9 billion or $2.14 per share is a $235 million or $0.17 per share improvement over our June guidance. | ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ง ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์์๊ธ์ 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ๊ธฐ์ค ์ฌ์ ์ต๊ณ ์น์ธ 71์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ์ ๋ ๋๊ธฐ ๋๋น 3์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ์ด์ ์ฆ๊ฐํ ์์น์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ์ฆ๊ฐ๋ ๋์ ํฐ์ผ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ๊ณผ ํฌ๋ฃจ์ฆ ์น์ ์ ์จ๋ณด๋ ์์ต ์ํ ํ๋งค ์ฆ๊ฐ์ ๊ธฐ์ธํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ค์์ผ๋ก ๊ฐ์ ๋ 9์ ์ฐ๊ฐ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค์ ๋ํด ์ค๋ช ๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋น์ฌ์ ์์ด์ต ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ ์ฝ 29์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ๋๋ ์ฃผ๋น 2.14๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ก, 6์ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค ๋๋น 2์ต 3,500๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ ๋๋ ์ฃผ๋น 0.17๋ฌ๋ฌ ๊ฐ์ ๋ ์์น์ ๋๋ค. |
| The full year improvement of $0.17 per share was driven by three things: First, flowing the $0.13 per share third quarter favorability through to the full year; second, an additional $0.03 per share of fourth quarter interest expense favorability as the actions that impacted third quarter interest expense are also creating favorability in the fourth quarter; and third, $0.01 per share from improved fourth quarter fuel prices. Yield guidance for the fourth quarter remain the same as the prior guidance. Cruise costs without fuel for the fourth quarter are flat with June guidance. | ์ฐ๊ฐ ์ฃผ๋น 0.17๋ฌ๋ฌ์ ๊ฐ์ ์ ์ธ ๊ฐ์ง ์์ธ์ ์ํด ๋ฌ์ฑ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฒซ์งธ, 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ํธ์กฐ ์์ธ์ธ ์ฃผ๋น 0.13๋ฌ๋ฌ๊ฐ ์ฐ๊ฐ ์ค์ ์ ๋ฐ์๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๋์งธ, 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ด์๋น์ฉ์ ์ํฅ์ ๋ฏธ์น ์กฐ์น๋ค์ด 4๋ถ๊ธฐ์๋ ํธ์กฐ ์์ธ์ผ๋ก ์์ฉํ์ฌ ์ถ๊ฐ๋ก ์ฃผ๋น 0.03๋ฌ๋ฌ์ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ด์๋น์ฉ ๊ฐ์ ํจ๊ณผ๊ฐ ์์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ์งธ, 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ฐ๋ฃ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ๊ฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ฃผ๋น 0.01๋ฌ๋ฌ์ ํจ๊ณผ๊ฐ ์์์ต๋๋ค. 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ์์ต๋ฅ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ ๊ธฐ์กด ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค์ ๋์ผํ๊ฒ ์ ์ง๋ฉ๋๋ค. 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ฐ๋ฃ๋น๋ฅผ ์ ์ธํ ํฌ๋ฃจ์ฆ ๋น์ฉ์ 6์ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค์ ๋์ผํ ์์ค์ ๋๋ค. |
| However, our cruise costs for the fourth quarter did benefit from some of these cost savings we solidified during the third quarter but were offset by higher variable compensation driven by improved operating results. All of this results in over $7 billion of EBITDA, a 15% improvement over 2024, virtually all of which is being driven by same-ship yield improvement as our capacity is only up approximately 1% year-over-year. Now a few things for you to consider for 2026. We are forecasting a capacity increase of just 0.8% compared to 2025. As Josh indicated, booking trends have continued to improve since our last update and we now have nearly half of 2026 on the books at higher prices. | ๊ทธ๋ฌ๋ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ํฌ๋ฃจ์ฆ ๋น์ฉ์ 3๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ํ์ ํ ์ผ๋ถ ๋น์ฉ ์ ๊ฐ ํจ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋๋ ธ์ง๋ง, ์ด์ ์ค์ ๊ฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ธํ ๋ณ๋ ๋ณด์๋น ์ฆ๊ฐ๋ก ์์๋์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด ๋ชจ๋ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ก EBITDA๊ฐ 70์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ฅผ ๋์ด์๋ฉฐ 2024๋
๋๋น 15% ๊ฐ์ ๋์๋๋ฐ, ์ด๋ ๊ฑฐ์ ์ ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋์ผ์ ๋ฐ ์์ต๋ฅ ๊ฐ์ ์ ์ํ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์ดํญ ๋ฅ๋ ฅ์ ์ ๋
๋๊ธฐ ๋๋น ์ฝ 1%๋ง ์ฆ๊ฐํ๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์
๋๋ค. ์ด์ 2026๋ ์ ๋ํด ๊ณ ๋ คํด์ผ ํ ๋ช ๊ฐ์ง ์ฌํญ์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ 2025๋ ๋๋น ์ดํญ ๋ฅ๋ ฅ์ด ๋จ 0.8% ์ฆ๊ฐํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์กฐ์๊ฐ ์ธ๊ธํ๋ฏ์ด, ์ง๋ ์ ๋ฐ์ดํธ ์ดํ ์์ฝ ๋ํฅ์ด ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ฐ์ ๋๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ํ์ฌ 2026๋ ์์ฝ์ ๊ฑฐ์ ์ ๋ฐ์ ๋ ๋์ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ์ผ๋ก ํ๋ณดํ ์ํ์ ๋๋ค. |
| As we highlighted on our last call, Carnival Cruise Line's new loyalty program, Carnival Rewards, will start in June 2026, impacting results for the second half of the year. As a reminder, while the program will be cash flow positive from day 1, it does impact our yields in 2026. The year-over-year impact is expected to be about 0.5 point. It should also be noted that we do not anticipate any meaningful impact on costs from the new loyalty program when compared to the current program. | ์ง๋ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค ์ฝ์์ ๊ฐ์กฐํ๋ฏ์ด, ์นด๋๋ฐ ํฌ๋ฃจ์ฆ ๋ผ์ธ์ ์๋ก์ด ๋ก์ดํฐ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ธ ์นด๋๋ฐ ๋ฆฌ์๋๋ 2026๋ 6์์ ์์๋์ด ํ๋ฐ๊ธฐ ์ค์ ์ ์ํฅ์ ๋ฏธ์น ์์ ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ค์ ํ๋ฒ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ์ด ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ์ฒซ๋ ๋ถํฐ ํ๊ธํ๋ฆ์ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ด์ง๋ง 2026๋ ์์ต๋ฅ ์๋ ์ํฅ์ ๋ฏธ์นฉ๋๋ค. ์ ๋ ๋๋น ์ํฅ์ ์ฝ 0.5ํฌ์ธํธ๋ก ์์๋ฉ๋๋ค. ๋ํ ํ์ฌ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ๊ณผ ๋น๊ตํ์ ๋ ์๋ก์ด ๋ก์ดํฐ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ผ๋ก ์ธํ ๋น์ฉ์๋ ์๋ฏธ ์๋ ์ํฅ์ด ์์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ๋ค๋ ์ ๋ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. |
| Our game-changing destination, Celebration Key, which opened in July 2025, has been delivering an amazing guest experience with a full year of operation in 2026 along with the mid 2026 opening of our new pier at RelaxAway, Half Moon Cay, we expect that the operating expenses for these destinations in 2026 will impact our overall year-over-year cost comparisons by about 0.5 point. While it is still early in our planning process, we are expecting to do more work during our 2026 dry docks. The additional expenses will impact our overall year-over-year assumptions by up to 1 percentage point. Now I'll finish up with an update of our refinancing and deleveraging efforts. | 2025๋ 7์์ ๊ฐ์ฅํ ์ ํฌ์ ๊ฒ์ ์ฒด์ธ์ ๊ธ ๋ชฉ์ ์ง์ธ ์ ๋ ๋ธ๋ ์ด์ ํค(Celebration Key)๋ ๋๋ผ์ด ๊ณ ๊ฐ ๊ฒฝํ์ ์ ๊ณตํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, 2026๋ ํ ํด ๋์์ ์์ ํ ์ด์๊ณผ ํจ๊ป 2026๋ ์ค๋ฐ ๋ฆด๋์ค์ด์จ์ด(RelaxAway), ํํ๋ฌธ ์ผ์ด(Half Moon Cay)์ ์๋ก์ด ๋ถ๋ ๊ฐ์ฅ์ ํตํด ์ด๋ฌํ ๋ชฉ์ ์ง๋ค์ 2026๋ ์ด์๋น์ฉ์ด ์ ๋ ๋๋น ์ ์ฒด ๋น์ฉ ๋น๊ต์ ์ฝ 0.5ํฌ์ธํธ์ ์ํฅ์ ๋ฏธ์น ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. ์์ง ๊ณํ ๊ณผ์ ์ ์ด๊ธฐ ๋จ๊ณ์ด์ง๋ง, ์ ํฌ๋ 2026๋ ๊ฑด์ ๋ํฌ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ ๋์ ๋ ๋ง์ ์์ ์ ์ํํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ์ถ๊ฐ ๋น์ฉ์ ์ ๋ ๋๋น ์ ์ฒด ๊ฐ์ ์ ์ต๋ 1ํผ์ผํธ ํฌ์ธํธ๊น์ง ์ํฅ์ ๋ฏธ์น ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด์ ์ ํฌ์ ์ฌ์ต์ ๋ฐ ๋ถ์ฑ ๊ฐ์ถ ๋ ธ๋ ฅ์ ๋ํ ์ ๋ฐ์ดํธ๋ก ๋ง๋ฌด๋ฆฌํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| During the quarter, we continued our refinancing strategy to reduce interest expense and manage our maturity towers while also reducing secured debt by nearly $2.5 billion, leaving just $3.1 billion remaining. We issued 2 senior unsecured notes and completed 1 bank loan. The combined proceeds of $4.6 billion from these financings, together with cash on hand, were used to repay over $5 billion of debt, continuing our deleveraging efforts. We have been working aggressively all year long to delever as well as to simplify and strengthen our capital structure, rebuilding our investment-grade balance sheet. | ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋์ ๋น์ฌ๋ ์ด์๋น์ฉ์ ์ ๊ฐํ๊ณ ๋ง๊ธฐ ์ง์ค์ ๊ด๋ฆฌํ๊ธฐ ์ํ ๋ฆฌํ์ด๋ธ์ฑ ์ ๋ต์ ์ง์ํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ๋์์ ๋ด๋ณด๋ถ์ฑ๋ฅผ ๊ฑฐ์ 25์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ๊ฐ์ถํ์ฌ ์์ฌ ๋ด๋ณด๋ถ์ฑ๋ฅผ 31์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ก ์ค์์ต๋๋ค. ๋น์ฌ๋ 2๊ฑด์ ์ ์์ ๋ฌด๋ด๋ณด์ฑ๊ถ์ ๋ฐํํ๊ณ 1๊ฑด์ ์ํ๋์ถ์ ์๋ฃํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ์๊ธ์กฐ๋ฌ์ ํตํด ํ๋ณดํ 46์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ์ ์๊ธ๊ณผ ๋ณด์ ํ๊ธ์ ํฉ์ณ 50์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ์ด์์ ๋ถ์ฑ๋ฅผ ์ํํ๋ฉฐ ๋๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง ๋ ธ๋ ฅ์ ์ง์ํ์ต๋๋ค. ๋น์ฌ๋ ์ฐ์ค ๋ด๋ด ๋๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง๋ฟ๋ง ์๋๋ผ ์๋ณธ๊ตฌ์กฐ์ ๋จ์ํ ๋ฐ ๊ฐํ๋ฅผ ์ํด ์ ๊ทน์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ ธ๋ ฅํด์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ํฌ์๋ฑ๊ธ ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ๋ฅผ ์ฌ๊ตฌ์ถํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Since January, we refinanced over $11 billion of debt at favorable rates and prepaid another $1 billion, accelerating our path to investment-grade credit metrics. We are pleased that our efforts have been recognized with the recent Moody's credit rating upgrade and the maintenance of their positive outlook. Based on our September guidance, we are expecting to end the year with a marked improvement in our net debt-to-EBITDA ratio, going from 4.3x at the end of 2024 to 3.6x at the end of 2025. Looking forward, we are targeting a net debt-to-EBITDA ratio of under 3x. | 1์๋ถํฐ ์ ํฌ๋ 110์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ์ด์์ ๋ถ์ฑ๋ฅผ ์ ๋ฆฌํ ๊ธ๋ฆฌ๋ก ์ฌ์ต์ํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ถ๊ฐ๋ก 10์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ฅผ ์ ์ํํ์ฌ ํฌ์๋ฑ๊ธ ์ ์ฉ์งํ ๋ฌ์ฑ์ ๊ฐ์ํํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ต๊ทผ ๋ฌด๋์ค์ ์ ์ฉ๋ฑ๊ธ ์ํฅ์กฐ์ ๊ณผ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ ๋ง ์ ์ง๋ก ์ ํฌ์ ๋ ธ๋ ฅ์ด ์ธ์ ๋ฐ๊ฒ ๋์ด ๊ธฐ์๊ฒ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. 9์ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก, ์ ํฌ๋ ์๋ถ์ฑ ๋ EBITDA ๋น์จ์ด 2024๋ ๋ง 4.3๋ฐฐ์์ 2025๋ ๋ง 3.6๋ฐฐ๋ก ํ์ ํ ๊ฐ์ ๋๋ฉฐ ์ฐ๋ง์ ๋ง๊ฐํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํฅํ ์ ํฌ๋ ์๋ถ์ฑ ๋ EBITDA ๋น์จ 3๋ฐฐ ๋ฏธ๋ง์ ๋ชฉํ๋ก ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Given the progress we have made and while still a top priority, it is great to be able to say that debt reduction no longer has to be priority 1, 2 and 3. We can soon pivot to diverting some of that effort to returning capital to shareholders as well. In fact, just today, we provided a redemption notice for all of our outstanding convertible notes, which if converted, will be settled using a combination of $500 million of cash and equity as we continue to rebuild our financial fortress. The convert redemption will be settled on December 5, just 5 days after year-end and will result in a $600 million improvement in net debt. | ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ด๋ฃฌ ์ง์ ์ ๊ณ ๋ คํ ๋, ๋ถ์ฑ ๊ฐ์ถ์ด ์ฌ์ ํ ์ต์ฐ์ ๊ณผ์ ์ด๊ธด ํ์ง๋ง, ๋ ์ด์ 1์์, 2์์, 3์์ ๋ชจ๋๊ฐ ๋ถ์ฑ ๊ฐ์ถ์ผ ํ์๋ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋งํ ์ ์๊ฒ ๋์ด ๊ธฐ์ฉ๋๋ค. ๊ณง ๊ทธ๋ฌํ ๋ ธ๋ ฅ์ ์ผ๋ถ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์ฃผ ํ์์ผ๋ก ์ ํํ ์ ์์ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ค์ ๋ก ์ค๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๋ชจ๋ ๋ฐํ ์์กด ์ ํ์ฌ์ฑ์ ๋ํ ์ํ ํต์ง๋ฅผ ์ ๊ณตํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ๋ง์ฝ ์ ํ๋ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ 5์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ์ ํ๊ธ๊ณผ ์ง๋ถ์ ์กฐํฉ์ผ๋ก ๊ฒฐ์ ๋ ์์ ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๊ณ์ํด์ ์ฌ๋ฌด ์์๋ฅผ ์ฌ๊ฑดํด ๋๊ฐ๋ ๊ณผ์ ์ ์ผํ์ ๋๋ค. ์ ํ์ฌ์ฑ ์ํ์ ์ฐ๋ง 5์ผ ํ์ธ 12์ 5์ผ์ ๊ฒฐ์ ๋ ์์ ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ก ์ธํด ์๋ถ์ฑ๊ฐ 6์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ๊ฐ์ ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Pro forma for the convert redemption, our net debt-to-EBITDA ratio, is forecasted to be 3.5x very early in our fiscal year 2026. This transaction will also result in a lower share count used in the calculation of our fully diluted EPS for 2026 by approximately 13 million shares at a $30 share price. As we near completion of our current refinancing strategy and with no ship deliveries scheduled during 2026 and just one delivery per year for several years thereafter, looking forward, we expect our leverage metrics to continue to improve as our EBITDA continues to grow, and our debt levels continue to shrink. | ์ ํ์ฌ์ฑ ์ํ์ ๋ฐ์ํ ํ๋กํฌ๋ง ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก, ๋น์ฌ์ ์๋ถ์ฑ ๋ EBITDA ๋น์จ์ 2026 ํ๊ณ์ฐ๋ ์ด๋ฐ์ 3.5๋ฐฐ๊ฐ ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋ฉ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฒ ๊ฑฐ๋๋ ๋ํ ์ฃผ๊ฐ 30๋ฌ๋ฌ ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก 2026๋ ์์ ํฌ์ ์ฃผ๋น์์ด์ต ๊ณ์ฐ์ ์ฌ์ฉ๋๋ ์ฃผ์ ์๋ฅผ ์ฝ 1,300๋ง ์ฃผ ๊ฐ์์ํฌ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ๋ฆฌํ์ด๋ธ์ฑ ์ ๋ต์ด ์๋ฃ์ ๊ฐ๊น์์ง๊ณ ์๊ณ , 2026๋ ์๋ ์ ๋ฐ ์ธ๋๊ฐ ์์ ๋์ด ์์ง ์์ผ๋ฉฐ ๊ทธ ์ดํ ๋ช ๋ ๊ฐ์ ์ฐ๊ฐ ํ ์ฒ์ฉ๋ง ์ธ๋๋ ์์ ์ธ ์ํฉ์์, ํฅํ EBITDA๊ฐ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ์ฆ๊ฐํ๊ณ ๋ถ์ฑ ์์ค์ด ๊ณ์ ๊ฐ์ํจ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง ์งํ๊ฐ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ฐ์ ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. |
| With strong investment-grade metrics in our future, an upgrade to investment grade should not be far behind, which will result in security release on our remaining secured debt. All of this continues to move us further down the road, rebuilding our financial fortress while continuing the process of transferring value from debt holders back to shareholders. Now operator, let's open the call for questions. | ๋ฏธ๋์ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ํฌ์๋ฑ๊ธ ์งํ๋ค์ ๋ฐํ์ผ๋ก, ํฌ์๋ฑ๊ธ์ผ๋ก์ ์ํฅ์กฐ์ ์ด ๋จธ์ง์์ ์ด๋ฃจ์ด์ง ๊ฒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ์์ฌ ๋ด๋ณด๋ถ์ฑ์ ๋ํ ๋ด๋ณด ํด์ ๋ก ์ด์ด์ง ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด ๋ชจ๋ ๊ฒ๋ค์ด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋์ฑ ์์ผ๋ก ๋์๊ฐ๊ฒ ํ์ฌ, ์ฑ๊ถ์๋ค๋ก๋ถํฐ ์ฃผ์ฃผ๋ค์๊ฒ ๊ฐ์น๋ฅผ ์ด์ ํ๋ ๊ณผ์ ์ ์ง์ํ๋ฉด์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์ฌ๋ฌด์ ์์๋ฅผ ์ฌ๊ฑดํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด์ ์คํผ๋ ์ดํฐ, ์ง์์๋ต ์๊ฐ์ ์์ํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
โข ์ค์ ํ์ด๋ผ์ดํธ:
- 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ฌ์ ์ต๋ ์์ด์ต 20์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ๋ฌ์ฑ (2019๋
๋๋น 10% ์ฆ๊ฐ)
- ROIC 13% ๊ธฐ๋ก (20๋
๋ง์ ์ฒ์์ผ๋ก ๋ ์๋ฆฟ์ ๋ฌ์ฑ)
- ์๋ถ์ฑ/EBITDA ๋น์จ 3.6๋ฐฐ๋ก ๊ฐ์
โข ์ฌ์
ํํฉ:
- ๋์ผ์ ๋ฐ ๊ธฐ์ค ์์ต๋ฅ 4.6% ์ฆ๊ฐ
- 2026๋
์์ฝ์ ์ฝ 50%๊ฐ ๋์ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ์ ์ด๋ฏธ ํ๋ณด
- Celebration Key ์ ๊ท ๋ชฉ์ ์ง ์ฑ๊ณต์ ์คํ (280๋ง๋ช
๋ฐฉ๋ฌธ ์์)
โข ์ฌ๋ฌด/์ ๋ต ๋ฐฉํฅ:
- ํฌ์๋ฑ๊ธ ์ ์ฉ๋ฑ๊ธ ํ๋ณต ๊ทผ์
- 5์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ์ ํ์ฌ์ฑ ์ํ ๋ฐํ
- ํฅํ ์ฃผ์ฃผํ์๊ณผ ๋ถ์ฑ๊ฐ์ถ ๋ณํ ๊ณํ
โข 2026๋
์ ๋ง:
- ์ ๋ณต๋ 0.8% ์ฆ๊ฐ ์์
- ์ ๊ท ๋ก์ดํฐ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ผ๋ก ์์ต๋ฅ 0.5%p ์ํฅ
- ๋๋ผ์ด๋
๋น์ฉ ์ฆ๊ฐ๋ก ๋น์ฉ 1%p ์์น ์์
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| Operator: [Operator Instructions] Our first question today is coming from Robin Farley from UBS. | **Operator:** [์ด์์ ์๋ด] ์ค๋ ์ฒซ ๋ฒ์งธ ์ง๋ฌธ์ UBS์ ๋ก๋น ํ๋ฆฌ๋๊ป์ ์ฃผ์ จ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Robin Farley: UBS Investment Bank, Research Division Great. Wanted to clarify, obviously, very positive forward booking commentary, when you talk about historic price levels, does that mean sort of in line with or is that actually suggesting prices above? And I also thought it was interesting, the comment in the release said something like now both Europe and North American sourcing brands are at that historic price. So does that -- is that -- is the implication there that maybe a quarter ago that North American price in the books wasn't at that record level, like on a combined basis it was, but now North America better. So just wanted to get that clarification. | **Robin Farley:** ๋ค, ๋ช
ํํ ํด๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋งค์ฐ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ธ ์ ๋ ์์ฝ ์ฝ๋ฉํฐ๋ฆฌ์ ๋ํด์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ์ญ์ฌ์ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ์์ค์ด๋ผ๊ณ ํ ๋ ์ด๋ ๊ธฐ์กด ์์ค๊ณผ ๋น์ทํ๋ค๋ ์๋ฏธ์ธ์ง ์๋๋ฉด ์ค์ ๋ก ๊ทธ๋ณด๋ค ๋์ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ์ ์์ฌํ๋ ๊ฒ์ธ์ง ๊ถ๊ธํ์๊ตฐ์. ๋ํ ๋ณด๋์๋ฃ์์ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋ก์ด ์ ์ ์ด์ ์ ๋ฝ๊ณผ ๋ถ๋ฏธ ์์ฑ ๋ธ๋๋ ๋ชจ๋๊ฐ ๊ทธ ์ญ์ฌ์ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ์์ค์ ์๋ค๊ณ ์ธ๊ธํ ๋ถ๋ถ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ ๋ค๋ฉด ์ด๊ฒ์ด ์๋ฏธํ๋ ๋ฐ๊ฐ ํ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ ์๋ ๋ถ๋ฏธ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ์ด ๊ธฐ๋ก์ ์์ค์ ์์ง ์์๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ธ์ง, ์ฆ ํตํฉ ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก๋ ๊ทธ๋ฌ์ง๋ง ์ด์ ๋ถ๋ฏธ๊ฐ ๋ ๋์์ก๋ค๋ ๋ป์ธ์ง ๋ช ํํ ํด์ฃผ์๋ฉด ๊ฐ์ฌํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| CEO & Director: So what we intended to convey is that both North America and Europe are at historical record high levels in pricing, which is great to see. As far as looking back a quarter ago, I didn't -- nothing dramatic happened along the way. So it might be that we just wanted to give more information rather than less. So things are looking great on both sides of the Atlantic, across the brands. | **CEO & Director:** ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ ๋ฌํ๊ณ ์ ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋ถ๋ฏธ์ ์ ๋ฝ ๋ชจ๋ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ์ญ์ฌ์ ์ต๊ณ ์์ค์ ์๋ค๋ ์ ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ธ ์ ํธ์ ๋๋ค. ์ง๋ ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋์ด์ผ๋ณด๋ฉด, ๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ ์์ ํน๋ณํ ๊ทน์ ์ธ ๋ณํ๋ ์์์ต๋๋ค. ์๋ง๋ ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ ๋ณด๋ฅผ ์ ๊ฒ ์ ๊ณตํ๊ธฐ๋ณด๋ค๋ ๋ ๋ง์ด ์ ๊ณตํ๊ณ ์ถ์๋ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ๋์์ ์์ชฝ ๋ชจ๋ ๋ธ๋๋์์ ์ํฉ์ด ๋งค์ฐ ์ข๊ฒ ํ๋ฌ๊ฐ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Robin Farley: UBS Investment Bank, Research Division And then just for the follow-up, anything you can quantify with Celebration Key when you look at the impact on forward bookings, where you could sort of say it's causing an x percent premium in ticket price for ships that are calling on that island versus other ships that aren't calling on it? Or any way to just sort of help us think about how that's driving your yields? | **Robin Farley:** ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ํ์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ผ๋ก, Celebration Key์ ๊ด๋ จํด์ ํฅํ ์์ฝ์ ๋ฏธ์น๋ ์ํฅ์ ์์นํํ ์ ์๋ ๋ถ๋ถ์ด ์๋์? ์๋ฅผ ๋ค์ด ๊ทธ ์ฌ์ ๊ธฐํญํ๋ ์ ๋ฐ๋ค์ด ๊ธฐํญํ์ง ์๋ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์ ๋ฐ๋ค ๋๋น ํฐ์ผ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ์์ x% ํ๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์์ ๋ฐ์์ํค๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋งํ ์ ์๋์ง์? ์๋๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ด ์์ต๋ฅ (yield)์ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๊ฒฌ์ธํ๊ณ ์๋์ง ์ดํดํ ์ ์๋๋ก ๋์์ ์ค ์ ์๋ ๋ค๋ฅธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ์ด ์์๊น์? |
| CEO & Director: Yes. No, we're ecstatic with Celebration Key and the impact that it's already starting to have on the business. It's kind of hard because it's such a massive set of business that's actually just shifted and is now inclusive of Celebration Key, but it's certainly getting the returns as anticipated when we came up with it a long time ago and as we've been getting closer to fruition. And a nice chunk of that is obviously the premium we're getting on the ticket side for any itinerary that's going to Celebration Key. So it's still 6 weeks -- actually, I guess, it's 2 months, 2 months into operations, which is we hit the ground running and early days on the future potential that it's got, but it's tracking exactly as we anticipated. As I said in my prepared notes, I knew we'd get this question and the best I'm going to tell you right now is it's certainly meeting expectations, and we couldn't be happier. | **CEO & Director:** ๋ค, ์
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๋๋ค. ์์ง 6์ฃผ... ์ฌ์ค 2๊ฐ์, ์ด์ํ ์ง 2๊ฐ์ ์ ๋ ๋์๋๋ฐ, ์ฒ์๋ถํฐ ์์กฐ๋กญ๊ฒ ์์ํ๊ณ ํฅํ ์ ์ฌ๋ ฅ ์ธก๋ฉด์์๋ ์์ง ์ด๊ธฐ ๋จ๊ณ์ด์ง๋ง, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์์ํ๋ ๋๋ก ์ ํํ ์งํ๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๊ฐ ์ค๋น๋ ๋ฐ์ธ์์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฐ์ด, ์ด๋ฐ ์ง๋ฌธ์ด ๋์ฌ ๊ฒ์ ์์ํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ง๊ธ ๋ง์๋๋ฆด ์ ์๋ ์ต์ ์ ๋ต๋ณ์ ํ์คํ ๊ธฐ๋์น๋ฅผ ์ถฉ์กฑํ๊ณ ์๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ ํฌ๋ ๋ํ ๋์ ์์ด ๋ง์กฑํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Your next question today is coming from Brandt Montour from Barclays. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋ฐํด๋ ์ด์ฆ์ ๋ธ๋ํธ ๋ชฌํฌ์ด๋๊ป์ ์ฃผ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Brandt Montour: Barclays Bank PLC, Research Division Great. So I wanted to ask about the consumer, your consumer, Josh. We see lower-end consumers sort of fatigued and hurting in several other travel verticals, it doesn't seem like you're seeing it. Maybe that's why you're not seeing it because of the value proposition, like you talked about, but are you seeing any sort of behavioral shifts within your loyalty set or people may be trading down between shore excursions or sort of any type of behavioral changes from your core consumer here? | **Brandt Montour:** ์๋น์, ์ฆ ๊ทํ์ ์๋น์์ ๋ํด ์ง๋ฌธ๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค, Josh. ๋ค๋ฅธ ์ฌ๋ฌ ์ฌํ ์ ์ข ์์ ์ ์๋์ธต ์๋น์๋ค์ด ์ง์น๊ณ ์ด๋ ค์์ ๊ฒช๊ณ ์๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋ณด๊ณ ์๋๋ฐ, ๊ทํ๋ ๊ทธ๋ฐ ํ์์ ๋ณด์ง ๋ชปํ๊ณ ์๋ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ง์ํ์ ๊ฒ์ฒ๋ผ ๊ฐ์น ์ ์ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๊ทธ๋ฐ ํ์์ ๋ณด์ง ๋ชปํ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ ์๋ ์์ง๋ง, ์ถฉ์ฑ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ธต ๋ด์์ ์ด๋ค ํ๋ ๋ณํ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ง์? ์๋๋ฉด ์ฌ๋๋ค์ด ํด์ ๊ด๊ด์์ ํํฅ ์ ํ์ ํ๊ฑฐ๋ ํต์ฌ ์๋น์์ธต์์ ์ด๋ค ์ ํ์ ํ๋ ๋ณํ๋ผ๋ ๋ณด๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ง์? |
| CEO & Director: You know, continue to say the same thing quarter after quarter, which is we've got an amazing business with amazing brands that are doing a phenomenal job of improving on a daily basis. So I'm real proud of all of them regardless of whether that's contemporary, premium, luxury. I'd say if you look back, we said in the third quarter, we had a pretty great booking 13-week period. We booked more year-over-year than we had in the third quarter of 2024. And in fact, Carnival, for example, it booked 8% more in the third quarter of '25 than it did in the third quarter of '24. So we feel like we are -- we feel like we're pushing ahead very well. And as you know, and most others know, we don't really have capacity growth. So when you think about 2026 with no new ships and then one thereafter for the next couple of years, that's all going to increase demand on a very restrained supply side for our capacity. So it's setting us up very well. | **CEO & Director:** ๋งค ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ง๋ค ๊ณ์ํด์ ๊ฐ์ ๋ง์์ ๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์๋๋ฐ, ์ ํฌ๋ ๋งค์ผ ๋๋ผ์ด ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ฌ์ฃผ๊ณ ์๋ ํ๋ฅญํ ๋ธ๋๋๋ค์ ๋ณด์ ํ ๋๋ผ์ด ์ฌ์
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๋ฆฌ๋ ์๊ด์์ด ๋ชจ๋ ๋ธ๋๋๋ค์ด ์ ๋ง ์๋์ค๋ฝ์ต๋๋ค. 3๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋์๋ณด๋ฉด, 13์ฃผ ์์ฝ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ ๋์ ๊ฝค ํ๋ฅญํ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ฑฐ๋๋ค๊ณ ๋ง์๋๋ ธ์ต๋๋ค. 2024๋ 3๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ณด๋ค ์ ๋ ๋๋น ๋ ๋ง์ ์์ฝ์ ๋ฐ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ค์ ๋ก ์นด๋๋ฐ์ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ, 2025๋ 3๋ถ๊ธฐ์ 2024๋ 3๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ณด๋ค 8% ๋ ๋ง์ ์์ฝ์ ๋ฐ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ์ ํฌ๋ ๋งค์ฐ ์์กฐ๋กญ๊ฒ ์์ ๋๊ฐ๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์์๋ค์ํผ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋๋ถ๋ถ์ด ์๊ณ ๊ณ์๋ฏ์ด, ์ ํฌ๋ ์ค์ ๋ก ์ ๋ฐ ์ฉ๋ ์ฆ๊ฐ๊ฐ ์๋ ์ํฉ์ ๋๋ค. 2026๋ ์๋ ์ ๊ท ์ ๋ฐ์ด ์๊ณ , ๊ทธ ์ดํ ๋ช ๋ ๊ฐ์ ํ ์ฒ์ฉ๋ง ์ถ๊ฐ๋๋ ์ํฉ์ ์๊ฐํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ด๋ ๋งค์ฐ ์ ํ๋ ๊ณต๊ธ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ์ ๋ฐ ์ฉ๋์ ๋ํ ์์๋ฅผ ์ฆ๊ฐ์ํฌ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์๊ฒ๋ ๋งค์ฐ ์ ๋ฆฌํ ํ๊ฒฝ์ด ์กฐ์ฑ๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Brandt Montour: Barclays Bank PLC, Research Division Okay. Great. That's helpful. And then just a follow-up on the bookings commentary. You're half booked for '26, sounds like from your tone that, that's a place where you want to be. But just thinking about the ebbs and flows of that booking strategy over the last few months, bookings were choppy back in April and March, and you kind of came back from that. When you look forward and think about how your strategy might change into '26, do you feel like you want to go in kind of similar to where you were last year? Or was there learnings from last year where that might not be perfectly optimal? | **Brandt Montour:** ์ข์ต๋๋ค. ๋์์ด ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์์ฝ ๊ด๋ จ ์ฝ๋ฉํธ์ ๋ํ ํ์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. 2026๋ ์์ฝ์ด ์ ๋ฐ ์ ๋ ์ฐผ๋ค๊ณ ํ์ จ๋๋ฐ, ๋ง์ํ์๋ ํค์ผ๋ก ๋ณด์ ๊ทธ ์ ๋๊ฐ ์ํ์๋ ์์ค์ธ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ง๋ ๋ช ๋ฌ๊ฐ ์์ฝ ์ ๋ต์ ๋ถ์นจ์ ์๊ฐํด๋ณด๋ฉด, 4์๊ณผ 3์์ ์์ฝ์ด ๋ค์ญ๋ ์ญํ๋ค๊ฐ ๊ทธ ์ดํ ํ๋ณต๋์์ต๋๋ค. ์์ ๋ด๋ค๋ณด๋ฉฐ 2026๋ ์ผ๋ก ํฅํ๋ ์ ๋ต์ด ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๋ณํ ์ง ์๊ฐํด๋ณผ ๋, ์๋ ๊ณผ ๋น์ทํ ๋ฐฉ์์ผ๋ก ์ ๊ทผํ๊ณ ์ถ์ผ์ ์ง์? ์๋๋ฉด ์๋ ์์ ์ป์ ๊ตํ์ด ์์ด์ ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ด ์์ ํ ์ต์ ์ ์๋์๋ค๊ณ ๋ณด์๋์ง์? |
| CEO & Director: Yes, that is a great question. I mean, to some extent, we need a little bit of a crystal ball; in hindsight, it's great. But knowing where we were positioned last year as we got towards the end of the year, and then what we absorbed and still came out in a pretty great way as we've been talking about over the last few quarters, it is giving us some thought about how we need to make sure we're optimizing in light of the volatility that we had last year, it was a question mark, right? And there's always something. But it's not an election cycle year, which was the case last year at this time. Knock on wood, I think, the volatility has certainly been reduced pretty dramatically. Now we -- I'm knocking -- everybody around this table is knocking on wood right now. But knowing that, that happened last year, and it shouldn't be recreated in a similar way, it does give us some confidence in how we're approaching this and what we were able to do despite the volatility this past year. | **CEO & Director:** ์ ๋ง ์ข์ ์ง๋ฌธ์
๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์ ๋๋ ์์ ๊ตฌ์ฌ์ด ํ์ํ์ฃ . ๋์ด์ผ๋ณด๋ฉด ํ๋ฅญํ์ง๋ง์. ์๋
์ฐ๋ง ๋ฌด๋ ต ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ด๋ค ์์น์ ์์๋์ง, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ทธ ์ํฉ์ ํก์ํ๋ฉด์๋ ์ง๋ ๋ช ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋์ ์ด์ผ๊ธฐํด์จ ๊ฒ์ฒ๋ผ ๊ฝค ํ๋ฅญํ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ธ ๊ฒ์ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์๋
์ ๊ฒช์๋ ๋ณ๋์ฑ์ ๊ณ ๋ คํด์ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์ต์ ํํด์ผ ํ ์ง์ ๋ํด ์๊ฐํ๊ฒ ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ๋น์์๋ ๋ฌผ์ํ์์ฃ ? ํญ์ ๋ญ๊ฐ๋ ์๊ธฐ ๋ง๋ จ์ด๋๊น์. ํ์ง๋ง ์ฌํด๋ ์๋ ์ด๋ง๋์ ๋ฌ๋ฆฌ ์ ๊ฑฐ ์ฃผ๊ธฐ๊ฐ ์๋๋๋ค. ๋๋ฌด๋ฅผ ๋๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉฐ ๋งํ์ง๋ง, ๋ณ๋์ฑ์ ํ์คํ ๊ทน์ ์ผ๋ก ์ค์ด๋ค์๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ์ง๊ธ ์ ๋ ๋๋ฌด๋ฅผ ๋๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์๊ณ ์ - ์ด ํ ์ด๋ธ ์ฃผ๋ณ์ ์๋ ๋ชจ๋ ์ฌ๋๋ค์ด ์ง๊ธ ๋๋ฌด๋ฅผ ๋๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์๋ ์ ๊ทธ๋ฐ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์ด๋ฌ๊ณ , ๋น์ทํ ๋ฐฉ์์ผ๋ก ์ฌํ๋์ด์๋ ์ ๋๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ์๊ณ ์๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์ ์ ์ ๊ทผํ๋ ๋ฐฉ์๊ณผ ์ง๋ํด ๋ณ๋์ฑ์๋ ๋ถ๊ตฌํ๊ณ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ํด๋ผ ์ ์์๋ ๊ฒ๋ค์ ๋ํด ์ด๋ ์ ๋ ํ์ ์ ๊ฐ๊ฒ ๋ฉ๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Our next question is coming from Steve Wieczynski from Stifel. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ Stifel์ Steve Wieczynski๋๊ป์ ์ฃผ์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Steven Wieczynski: Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Incorporated, Research Division Congrats on the strong third quarter and outlook. So Josh, I want to ask a little bit more about how you're thinking about 2026 versus maybe 3 months ago? And fully understand you guys aren't in a position to provide guidance yet for next year. But based on your qualitative commentary, it seems like booking trends have actually accelerated, I would say, versus the fear that might be out there in the marketplace that demand is decelerating. So just wondering from a bigger picture perspective, maybe how you're feeling about next year versus back in June? And then also in your slide deck, you mentioned that 2027 bookings are off to, in your words, unprecedented start. And maybe if you could help us think a little more -- maybe what that wording means there? | **Steven Wieczynski:** ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค์ ๊ณผ ์ ๋ง์ ๋ํด ์ถํ๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. ์กฐ์, 3๊ฐ์ ์ ๊ณผ ๋น๊ตํด์ 2026๋
์ ๋ํด ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์๊ฐํ๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ง ์ข ๋ ์์ธํ ๋ฃ๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ด๋
์ ๋ํ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ฅผ ์ ๊ณตํ ์ ์๋ ์ํฉ์ด ์๋๋ผ๋ ์ ์ ์ถฉ๋ถํ ์ดํดํฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ ์ฑ์ ์ธ ์ฝ๋ฉํธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์์ฅ์ ๋์ ์๋ ์์ ๋ํ์ ๋ํ ์ฐ๋ ค์๋ ๋ฌ๋ฆฌ ์์ฝ ํธ๋ ๋๊ฐ ์ค์ ๋ก๋ ๊ฐ์ํ๋๊ณ ์๋ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ํฐ ๊ทธ๋ฆผ์์ ๋ณด๋ฉด 6์๊ณผ ๋น๊ตํด์ ๋ด๋ ์ ๋ํด ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๋๋ผ๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ ์๋ฃ์์ 2027๋ ์์ฝ์ด ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ ํํ์ผ๋ก๋ "์ ๋ก ์๋" ์ถ๋ฐ์ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ์ธ๊ธํ์ จ๋๋ฐ์. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ํน์ ๊ทธ ๋ฌธ๊ตฌ๊ฐ ๋ฌด์์ ์๋ฏธํ๋์ง ์ข ๋ ์์ธํ ์ค๋ช ํด ์ฃผ์ค ์ ์์๊น์? |
| CEO & Director: Yes, sure. Just because I have a bad memory. Let me start with that one. So 2027, what I meant is, literally, we've never had more bookings in a 13-week window over the third quarter. So this is a record for us for 2027. And so it was exactly as we intended to be, unprecedented. With respect to 2026, yes, no, we feel good about 2026. We obviously are -- I have a feeling I'm going to do this a lot on this call. We're not giving guidance yet. We're not really talking about 2026. We're just trying to give a little bit of an understanding about where we're sitting. But I think all the things that we've talked about for quarter over quarter over quarter around our brands really trying to just own their space in the vacation market and doing their commercial execution on an improved basis is paying off. | **CEO & Director:** ๋ค, ๋ฌผ๋ก ์
๋๋ค. ์ ๊ฐ ๊ธฐ์ต๋ ฅ์ด ์ข์ง ์์์์. ๊ทธ๊ฒ๋ถํฐ ์์ํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. 2027๋
์ ๋ํด์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ๋ง ๊ทธ๋๋ก 3๋ถ๊ธฐ 13์ฃผ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ ๋์ ์ด๋ ๊ฒ ๋ง์ ์์ฝ์ ๋ฐ์๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. 2027๋
๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก๋ ์ ํฌ์๊ฒ ๊ธฐ๋ก์ ์ธ ์์น์
๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์๋ํ๋ ๋ฐ๋ก ๊ทธ๋๋ก, ์ ๋ก ์๋ ์์ค์ด์์ต๋๋ค. 2026๋ ๊ณผ ๊ด๋ จํด์๋, ๋ค, ์ ํฌ๋ 2026๋ ์ ๋ํด ๊ธ์ ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ ํฌ๋ - ์ด๋ฒ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค ์ฝ์์ ์ด๋ฐ ๋ง์ ๋ง์ด ํ๊ฒ ๋ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์๋ฐ์. ์์ง ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ฅผ ์ ๊ณตํ์ง ์๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. 2026๋ ์ ๋ํด์๋ ์ค์ ๋ก ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ์ง ์๊ณ ์๊ณ ์. ๋ค๋ง ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ํ์ฌ ์ด๋ค ์ํฉ์ ์๋์ง์ ๋ํด ์กฐ๊ธ์ด๋๋ง ์ดํด๋ฅผ ๋๊ณ ์ ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ง๋ค ๊ณ์ํด์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๋ชจ๋ ๊ฒ๋ค, ์ฆ ์ ํฌ ๋ธ๋๋๋ค์ด ํด๊ฐ ์์ฅ์์ ์์ ๋ค๋ง์ ์์ญ์ ํ์คํ ๊ตฌ์ถํ๊ณ ์์ ์ ์คํ๋ ฅ์ ๊ฐ์ ๋ ๋ฐฉ์์ผ๋ก ์ํํ๋ ค๋ ๋ ธ๋ ฅ๋ค์ด ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ฑฐ๋๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. |
| Steven Wieczynski: Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Incorporated, Research Division Okay. Got you. And then, Josh, here's another 2026 question. So David mentioned... | **Steven Wieczynski:** ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ Josh, 2026๋ ์ ๊ดํ ๋ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์ง๋ฌธ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. David๊ฐ ์ธ๊ธํ๋ฏ์ด... |
| CEO & Director: Thank you for warning me, Wieczynski. | **CEO & Director:** ๊ฒฝ๊ณ ํด ์ฃผ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค, Wieczynski. |
| Steven Wieczynski: Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Incorporated, Research Division Exactly. David did mention, look, there are headwinds out there as you start next year. I mean, 50-basis point impact on yields for the reward program, 100 basis points for the dry docks and 50 basis points, I think you said, for the build-out of the rest of the island. So basically, you guys have a 200-basis point headwind as we start 2026. But I guess the question, Josh, is there anything you didn't mention that maybe kind of behind the scenes that you guys are working on to help kind of mitigate some of those headwinds? | **Steven Wieczynski:** ๋ง์ต๋๋ค. David๊ฐ ์ธ๊ธํ๋ฏ์ด, ๋ด๋
์ ์์ํ๋ฉด์ ์ญํ ์์ธ๋ค์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฆฌ์๋ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ผ๋ก ์ธํ ์์ต๋ฅ 50๋ฒ ์ด์์คํฌ์ธํธ ์ํฅ, ๋๋ผ์ด๋
์ผ๋ก ์ธํ 100๋ฒ ์ด์์คํฌ์ธํธ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋๋จธ์ง ์ฌ ๊ฐ๋ฐ๋ก ์ธํ 50๋ฒ ์ด์์คํฌ์ธํธ ์ํฅ์ด ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ง์ํ์ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์ผ๋ก 2026๋
์ ์์ํ๋ฉด์ 200๋ฒ ์ด์์คํฌ์ธํธ์ ์ญํ์ ๋ง๊ฒ ๋๋ ์ํฉ์
๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง Josh, ํน์ ์ธ๊ธํ์ง ์์ผ์ ๊ฒ ์ค์์ ์ด๋ฐ ์ญํ ์์ธ๋ค์ ์ํํ๋ ๋ฐ ๋์์ด ๋ ๋งํ ๋ฌด์ธ๊ฐ๋ฅผ ๋ค์์ ์์ ํ๊ณ ๊ณ์ ๊ฒ์ด ์๋์? |
| CEO & Director: Yes. Yes, absolutely. I mean, look, let me give you some pros about 2026. As you said, we're about 50% booked. That's the longest booking curve we got on record. We just had a better Q3 booking period than we did last year. As I said, there was no election cycle. We get the full year benefit of Celebration Key, half a year of RelaxAway. OBR strength has continued, and we expect that to continue as we look forward. We have no capacity growth, or very, very little, I should say, which bodes very well. The strength of our diversified portfolio, I think, has really been playing out over the last couple of years and couldn't be more complementary of the work that is happening all over our eight brands to really drive the business forward, and we get a benefit on the loyalty side with the cash flow, as you know. So putting that aside, we're always trying to figure out how do we become more efficient in what we do and how we do it. And as a matter of fact, David and I are going -- starting next week, we're going to be meeting with each of our brands to go through the 2026 operating plan and really understand how we can up our game to mitigate cost headwinds that happen every year, and we'll try to mitigate as best as we can. | **CEO & Director:** ๋ค, ๋ง์ต๋๋ค. 2026๋
์ ๋ํ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ธ ์์๋ค์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ง์ํ์ ๋๋ก ํ์ฌ ์ฝ 50% ์์ฝ์ด ์๋ฃ๋ ์ํ์ธ๋ฐ, ์ด๋ ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ๊ธฐ๋กํ ๊ฒ ์ค ๊ฐ์ฅ ๊ธด ์์ฝ ๊ณก์ ์
๋๋ค. 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ์์ฝ ์ค์ ๋ ์๋
๋ณด๋ค ๋ ์ข์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฐ์ด ์ ๊ฑฐ ์ฃผ๊ธฐ๋ ์์๊ณ ์. Celebration Key์ ์ฐ๊ฐ ์ ์ฒด ํจ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋๋ฆด ์ ์๊ณ , RelaxAway๋ ๋ฐ๋
๊ฐ์ ํจ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋ํ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์จ๋ณด๋ ์์ต(OBR) ๊ฐ์ธ๊ฐ ์ง์๋๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์์ผ๋ก๋ ์ด๋ฐ ์ถ์ธ๊ฐ ๊ณ์๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ ๋ฐ ์ฉ๋ ์ฆ๊ฐ๊ฐ ์ ํ ์๊ฑฐ๋ ์์ฃผ ๋ฏธ๋ฏธํ ์์ค์ด๋ผ๊ณ ํด์ผ๊ฒ ๋๋ฐ, ์ด๋ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ธ ์์์ ๋๋ค. ๋ค๊ฐํ๋ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค์ ๊ฐ์ ์ด ์ง๋ ๋ช ๋ ๊ฐ ์ ๋ง ์ ๋ฐํ๋๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํ๋ฉฐ, 8๊ฐ ๋ธ๋๋ ์ ๋ฐ์์ ์ฌ์ ์ ์ค์ ๋ก ์ถ์งํ๊ธฐ ์ํด ์งํ๋๊ณ ์๋ ์์ ๋ค์ด ์ด๋ณด๋ค ๋ ์ํธ ๋ณด์์ ์ผ ์๋ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์์๋ค์ํผ ํ๊ธํ๋ฆ์ ํตํด ๋ก์ดํฐ ์ธก๋ฉด์์๋ ํํ์ ์ป๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฅผ ์ฐจ์นํ๊ณ ๋ผ๋, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ํญ์ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ํ๋ฉด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ํ๋ ์ผ๊ณผ ํ๋ ๋ฐฉ์์์ ๋ ํจ์จ์ ์ด ๋ ์ ์์์ง ์์๋ด๋ ค๊ณ ๋ ธ๋ ฅํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ค์ ๋ก David์ ์ ๋ ๋ค์ ์ฃผ๋ถํฐ ๊ฐ ๋ธ๋๋์ ๋ง๋ 2026๋ ์ด์ ๊ณํ์ ๊ฒํ ํ๊ณ , ๋งค๋ ๋ฐ์ํ๋ ๋น์ฉ ์๋ฐ ์์ธ๋ค์ ์ํํ๊ธฐ ์ํด ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์ญ๋์ ํฅ์์ํฌ ์ ์๋์ง ์ง์ ์ผ๋ก ์ดํดํ๋ ค๊ณ ํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ต์ ์ ๋คํด ์ด๋ฅผ ์ํํ๋ ค๊ณ ๋ ธ๋ ฅํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Your next question is coming from James Hardiman from Citi. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ์จํฐ์ ์ ์์ค ํ๋๋ง์ผ๋ก๋ถํฐ ๋์์ต๋๋ค. |
| James Hardiman: Citigroup Inc., Research Division Maybe sort of a nitpick question, maybe it's a dumb question. But as I think about your forward booking commentary, I think coming out of Q2, you were saying you were in line with respect to load factors. But then I think in the press release, you spoke to sort of an acceleration in bookings year-over-year since May, which I would think would mean that you're now ahead on bookings. So -- but I think you're still in line. So maybe it's just too close to call out in terms of the overall numbers, but just wanted to clarify on that point. | **James Hardiman:** ์๋ง๋ ์ธ์ธํ ์ง๋ฌธ์ผ ์๋ ์๊ณ , ๋ฐ๋ณด๊ฐ์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ผ ์๋ ์๊ฒ ์ง๋ง์. ํฅํ ์์ฝ ๊ด๋ จ ์ฝ๋ฉํธ๋ฅผ ์๊ฐํด๋ณด๋ฉด, 2๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค์ ๋ฐํ ๋๋ ํ์น๋ฅ (load factor) ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ์์์ ๊ณผ ์ผ์นํ๋ค๊ณ ๋ง์ํ์ จ๋ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฐ๋ฐ ๋ณด๋์๋ฃ์์๋ 5์ ์ดํ ์ ๋ ๋๋น ์์ฝ์ด ๊ฐ์ํ๋๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ์ธ๊ธํ์ จ๋๋ฐ, ์ด๋ ํ์ฌ ์์ฝ์ด ์์๋ณด๋ค ์์๊ณ ์๋ค๋ ์๋ฏธ๋ก ๋ฐ์๋ค์ฌ์ง๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ฌ์ ํ ์์์ ๊ณผ ์ผ์นํ๋ค๊ณ ํ์๋๊น์. ์ ์ฒด์ ์ธ ์์น ์ธก๋ฉด์์๋ ๊ตฌ๋ถํ๊ธฐ์๋ ๋๋ฌด ๋ฏธ๋ฌํ ์ฐจ์ด์ผ ์๋ ์๊ฒ ์ง๋ง, ์ด ๋ถ๋ถ์ ๋ํด ๋ช ํํ ํด์ฃผ์ จ์ผ๋ฉด ํฉ๋๋ค. |
| David Bernstein: CFO & Chief Accounting Officer Yes, James, I think you might -- I'm trying to recall back from the second quarter. I think the second quarter, we were talking about 2025 and the remainder of the year. And this time, the commentary was on 2026. Maybe you can double check the comments. | **David Bernstein:** ๋ค, ์ ์์ค, ์๋ง๋ 2๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ค์ ๋ ์ฌ๋ ค๋ณด์๋ฉด ์ข์ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. 2๋ถ๊ธฐ์๋ 2025๋ ๊ณผ ์ฌํด ๋จ์ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ์ ๋ํด ์ด์ผ๊ธฐํ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๊ธฐ์ตํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฒ์๋ 2026๋ ์ ๋ํ ์ธ๊ธ์ด์๊ณ ์. ํน์ ๋ฐ์ธ ๋ด์ฉ์ ๋ค์ ํ๋ฒ ํ์ธํด ๋ณด์๊ฒ ์ด์? |
| James Hardiman: Citigroup Inc., Research Division Okay. I'll definitely do that. And then as I think about the quarter and really the last couple of quarters, the organic growth has been pretty stunning here, right? Particularly, you don't have any new ships coming online, and I think you've had the best yields in the industry, at least the ocean side of the industry. So maybe connect the dots between some of the programs that you've been talking about, Josh, right, the AIDA Evolutions program and some of the things going on with Carnival, new marketing, the step-up in Caribbean destinations, maybe connect those dots with how that's translating into pricing. And then as we think about moving forward, other low-hanging fruit and how we should think about pricing moving forward in the context of sort of the brand-level initiatives that are underway. | **James Hardiman:** ๋ค, ํ์คํ ๊ทธ๋ ๊ฒ ํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ค์ ๋ก ์ง๋ ๋ช ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์๊ฐํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ฌ๊ธฐ์ ์ ๊ธฐ์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ด ์ ๋ง ๋๋ผ์ ์ต๋๋ค. ํนํ ์๋ก ์ดํญ์ ๋ค์ด๊ฐ๋ ์ ๋ฐ๋ ์๋ ์ํฉ์์, ์ ์ด๋ ํด์ ํฌ๋ฃจ์ฆ ์
๊ณ์์๋ ์ต๊ณ ์ ์์ต๋ฅ (yield)์ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ ๋ค๋ฉด Josh๊ฐ ๋ง์ํ์ ๋ช ๊ฐ์ง ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ๋ค, ์ฆ AIDA ์๋ณผ๋ฃจ์ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ๊ณผ ์นด๋๋ฐ์ ์๋ก์ด ๋ง์ผํ , ์นด๋ฆฌ๋ธํด ๋ชฉ์ ์ง ํ๋ ๋ฑ๊ณผ ์ด๊ฒ์ด ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ์ฑ ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ด์ด์ง๋์ง ๊ทธ ์ฐ๊ฒฐ๊ณ ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ค๋ช ํด ์ฃผ์ค ์ ์์๊น์? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ก ๋์๊ฐ๋ฉด์ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์์ฌ์ด ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ค๊ณผ ํ์ฌ ์งํ ์ค์ธ ๋ธ๋๋ ์ฐจ์์ ์ด๋์ ํฐ๋ธ ๋งฅ๋ฝ์์ ํฅํ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ์ ์ฑ ์ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์๊ฐํด์ผ ํ๋์ง์ ๋ํด ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| CEO & Director: Yes. Look -- where to start. I mean when you think about something like the AIDA Evolution program, that's one [ 2,000-berth ] ship that's had 4 or 5 months of operations coming out of it, which is going great, and it is knocking the cover off the ball, and Felix Eichhorn should take a bow for everything that he's done with AIDA. But in the grand scheme of things, that alone is fairly small. It will get better and better as we get more and more ships through that program over the next several years. And I expect actually some of our other brands to be embarking on similar exercises and initiatives to really up the game of their of their ships that might be 15 years old or so, but they're going to be with us for well over 15 years as far as I'm concerned, more. And so there's a lot of opportunity for that to run. Celebration Key, we talked about, I think, quite a lot. Couldn't be more proud of the team there for delivering an excellent experience and just giving us tremendous wind at our backs as we look forward into 2026 and beyond. But really, this is fairly broad-based. I mean most of our brands have not had growth for a long time, and they are improving their yields year-over-year, not insignificantly. And it is because they can actually execute at a higher level, which is what they've been doing, and that will continue. We've made investments, we've made investment on the advertising side, we've made investments into our revenue management systems, we've made investments into our people to make sure we've got the right capabilities and the right leaders doing the right things. And I think we've been saying this for a long time, right? I mean when we came out with SEA Change, we talked about what we needed to do, and that was back in June of 2023. And really, the reality is it's just exceeded my expectations on the pace of that execution improvement. But the good news is there's a lot more in store. | **CEO & Director:** ๋ค, ์ด๋์๋ถํฐ ์์ํด์ผ ํ ๊น์. AIDA Evolution ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ ๊ฐ์ ๊ฒ์ ์๊ฐํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ด๊ฑด 2,000๋ช
์ ์์ ์ ๋ฐ ํ ์ฒ์ด 4-5๊ฐ์๊ฐ ์ด์๋๋ฉด์ ๋์จ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ์ธ๋ฐ, ์ ๋ง ์ ๋๊ณ ์๊ณ ๋๋ฐ์ ์น๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. Felix Eichhorn์ด AIDA์์ ํด๋ธ ๋ชจ๋ ์ผ์ ๋ํด ๋ฐ์๋ฅผ ๋ฐ์ ๋ง๋
ํฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ ์ฒด์ ์ธ ๊ด์ ์์ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ด๊ฒ๋ง์ผ๋ก๋ ์๋นํ ์์ ๊ท๋ชจ์
๋๋ค. ์์ผ๋ก ๋ช ๋
์ ๊ฑธ์ณ ๋ ๋ง์ ์ ๋ฐ๋ค์ด ์ด ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ๊ฑฐ์น๊ฒ ๋๋ฉด์ ์ ์ ๋ ๋์์ง ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ์ค์ ๋ก ์ ๋ ๋ค๋ฅธ ๋ธ๋๋๋ค๋ ๋น์ทํ ํ๋๊ณผ ์ด๋์ ํฐ๋ธ์ ์ฐฉ์ํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. 15๋ ์ ๋ ๋ ์ ๋ฐ๋ค์ ์์ค์ ์ ๋ง๋ก ๋์ด์ฌ๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ ์ํด์ ๋ง์ด์ฃ . ์ ๊ฐ ๋ณด๊ธฐ์๋ ์ด๋ฐ ์ ๋ฐ๋ค์ด ์์ผ๋ก 15๋ ์ ๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ํจ๊ปํ ๊ฒ์ด๊ฑฐ๋ ์. ๊ทธ๋์ ๊ทธ ๋ถ๋ถ์์ ์ด์ํ ์ ์๋ ๊ธฐํ๊ฐ ๋ง์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. Celebration Key์ ๋ํด์๋ ์ด๋ฏธ ๊ฝค ๋ง์ด ๋ง์๋๋ ธ๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๊ณณ ํ์ด ํ๋ฅญํ ๊ฒฝํ์ ์ ๊ณตํ๊ณ 2026๋ ๊ณผ ๊ทธ ์ดํ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ๋ผ๋ณด๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์๊ฒ ์์ฒญ๋ ์ถ์ง๋ ฅ์ ์ฃผ๊ณ ์์ด์ ์ ๋ง ์๋์ค๋ฝ์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ค์ ๋ก๋ ์ด๊ฒ์ด ์๋นํ ๊ด๋ฒ์ํ ํ์์ ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ธ๋๋ ๋๋ถ๋ถ์ด ์ค๋ซ๋์ ์ฑ์ฅํ์ง ๋ชปํ๋๋ฐ, ์ง๊ธ์ ์ ๋ ๋๋น ์์ต๋ฅ (yield)์ ์๋นํ ํญ์ผ๋ก ๊ฐ์ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์ค์ ๋ก ๋ ๋์ ์์ค์์ ์คํํ ์ ์๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ด๊ฒ์ด ๋ฐ๋ก ๊ทธ๋ค์ด ํด์ค๊ณ ์๋ ์ผ์ด๊ณ ์์ผ๋ก๋ ๊ณ์๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ด๊ณ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ํฌ์ํ๊ณ , ์์ต ๊ด๋ฆฌ ์์คํ ์ ํฌ์ํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ ์ ํ ์ญ๋๊ณผ ์ฌ๋ฐ๋ฅธ ๋ฆฌ๋๋ค์ด ์ ๋๋ก ๋ ์ผ์ ํ ์ ์๋๋ก ์ธ๋ ฅ์๋ ํฌ์ํ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ด๋ฐ ์๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ค๋ซ๋์ ํด์๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. SEA Change๋ฅผ ๋ฐํํ์ ๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ํด์ผ ํ ์ผ๋ค์ ๋ํด ์ด์ผ๊ธฐํ๋๋ฐ, ๊ทธ๊ฒ 2023๋ 6์์ด์์ฃ . ์ค์ ๋ก๋ ๊ทธ ์คํ ๊ฐ์ ์ ์๋๊ฐ ์ ๊ธฐ๋๋ฅผ ๋ฐ์ด๋์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ข์ ์์์ ์์ผ๋ก ๋ ๋ง์ ๊ฒ๋ค์ด ์ค๋น๋์ด ์๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Our next question comes from Ben Chaiken from Mizuho Securities. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋ฏธ์ฆํธ ์ฆ๊ถ์ ๋ฒค ์ฐจ์ด์ผ๋๊ป์ ์ฃผ์ จ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Benjamin Chaiken: Mizuho Securities USA LLC, Research Division I guess, first on capital return. I guess, how are you thinking about timing, leverage bogeys? And then is there any preference between dividends and/or buybacks? And then kind of like separately, longer term, how do you think about capital return as a percentage of your free cash flow, if that's the way you kind of bucket it. And then I have one follow-up. | **Benjamin Chaiken:** ๋จผ์ ์๋ณธ ํ์์ ๋ํด ์ง๋ฌธ๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ด๋ฐ๊ณผ ๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง ๋ชฉํ๋ฅผ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์๊ฐํ๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ง์? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋ฐฐ๋น๊ณผ ์์ฌ์ฃผ ๋งค์
์ค์์ ์ ํธํ๋ ๋ฐฉ์์ด ์์ผ์ ๊ฐ์? ๋ณ๊ฐ๋ก, ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ์์ ํ๊ธํ๋ฆ ๋๋น ์๋ณธ ํ์ ๋น์จ์ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์๊ฐํ๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฐ ์์ผ๋ก ๋ถ๋ฅํด์ ๋ณด์ ๋ค๋ฉด ๋ง์ด์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ถ๊ฐ ์ง๋ฌธ์ด ํ๋ ๋ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| CEO & Director: Ben, well, you heard what David said in his prepared remarks, I mean, the -- like I was just saying, the acceleration is across the board and that's certainly inclusive then in our ability to start returning cash to shareholders as we get to that 3.5x leverage metric. We'll be awful close to that at the end of our fiscal year. And as David noted, with what we're doing on the convert side, should pretty much position us very well in early 2026 to get there. I have been fairly -- I think, fairly clear when I'm having conversations with anybody who asked about this, that, number one, I want to be clear, it's a Board conversation and decision, which has not happened yet; two, dividends are very important to us. We see the benefit of establishing -- reestablishing our dividend program. So I would expect outside of what we're doing on the converts, which is a little bit of a juiced buyback because of what we're doing with our cash. It's really going to be reinstating the dividend, but it doesn't mean that it's to the exclusion of buybacks over time. We have done both before very effectively, and we can do that again in the future. But it is a little premature for us to kind of try to telegraph what, when and exactly how we're going to do that, and any type of metrics that we're going to be using to moderate the amount of cash that's going out the door. What I can say in the good news side of the ledger is, again, we got no capacity growth next year. We don't have any new ships coming, and we have one a year thereafter for the next several years, which should allow us to take a lot of free cash flow and return it to shareholders in the form of dividends and buybacks over time. And so once we've kind of fully turned that corner and can start talking about it, we'll try to give people more of a road map about how we're thinking about it. I'd say it's close. It is close, and I look forward to be able to talk about it having happened. | **CEO & Director:** ๋ฒค, ๋ฐ์ด๋น๋๊ฐ ์ค๋น๋ ๋ฐ์ธ์์ ๋งํ ๋ด์ฉ์ ๋ค์ผ์
จ๊ฒ ์ง๋ง, ์ ๊ฐ ๋ฐฉ๊ธ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๊ฒ์ฒ๋ผ ๋ชจ๋ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ๊ฐ์ํ๊ฐ ์ผ์ด๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ๋น์ฐํ 3.5๋ฐฐ ๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง ์งํ์ ๋๋ฌํ๋ฉด์ ์ฃผ์ฃผ๋ค์๊ฒ ํ๊ธ์ ํ์ํ ์ ์๋ ๋ฅ๋ ฅ๋ ํฌํจํฉ๋๋ค. ํ๊ณ์ฐ๋ ๋ง์๋ ๊ทธ ์์น์ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ทผ์ ํ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋ฐ์ด๋น๋๊ฐ ์ธ๊ธํ๋ฏ์ด, ์ ํ์ฌ์ฑ ์ชฝ์์ ์งํํ๊ณ ์๋ ์์
์ ํตํด 2026๋
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์ ๊ฐ์ถ๊ฒ ๋ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ์ด ๋ฌธ์ ์ ๋ํด ์ง๋ฌธํ๋ ๋ถ๋ค๊ณผ ๋ํํ ๋ ์ ๊ฐ ์๋นํ ๋ช ํํ๊ฒ ๋ง์๋๋ ค์จ ๊ฒ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฒซ์งธ, ์ด๋ ์ด์ฌํ์ ๋ ผ์์ ๊ฒฐ์ ์ฌํญ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์์ง ๊ทธ๋ฐ ๋ ผ์๊ฐ ์ด๋ฃจ์ด์ง์ง ์์๋ค๋ ์ ์ ๋ถ๋ช ํ ํ๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. ๋์งธ, ๋ฐฐ๋น์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์๊ฒ ๋งค์ฐ ์ค์ํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ฐฐ๋น ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ์ฌ๊ฐํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ์ด์ ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๋ถ๋ช ํ ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํ์ฌ์ฑ ๊ด๋ จํด์ ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ํ๊ณ ์๋ ์ผ์ ์ ์ธํ๋ฉด, ํ๊ธ์ผ๋ก ํ๋ ์์ ๋๋ฌธ์ ์ฝ๊ฐ ๋ถ์คํธ๋ ์์ฌ์ฃผ ๋งค์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ๋ณผ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ค์ ๋ก๋ ๋ฐฐ๋น ์ฌ๊ฐ๊ฐ ๋ ๊ฒ์ด์ง๋ง, ๊ทธ๋ ๋ค๊ณ ํด์ ํฅํ ์์ฌ์ฃผ ๋งค์ ์ ๋ฐฐ์ ํ๋ค๋ ์๋ฏธ๋ ์๋๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ์ด์ ์๋ ๋ ๊ฐ์ง ๋ชจ๋ ๋งค์ฐ ํจ๊ณผ์ ์ผ๋ก ์คํํด์๊ณ , ์์ผ๋ก๋ ๋ค์ ๊ทธ๋ ๊ฒ ํ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ค๋ง ์ธ์ , ์ด๋ป๊ฒ, ์ ํํ ์ด๋ค ๋ฐฉ์์ผ๋ก ํ ๊ฒ์ธ์ง, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ํ๊ธ ์ ์ถ ๊ท๋ชจ๋ฅผ ์กฐ์ ํ๋ ๋ฐ ์ฌ์ฉํ ์งํ๋ค์ด ๋ฌด์์ธ์ง๋ฅผ ์ง๊ธ ๋ฏธ๋ฆฌ ์๋ ค๋๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ์๋ ๋ค์ ์ด๋ฅธ ๊ฐ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ข์ ์์ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆด ์ ์๋ ๊ฒ์, ๋ค์ ํ ๋ฒ ๊ฐ์กฐํ์ง๋ง ๋ด๋ ์๋ ์์ฐ๋ฅ๋ ฅ ์ฆ์ค์ด ์ ํ ์๋ค๋ ์ ์ ๋๋ค. ์๋ก์ด ์ ๋ฐ ์ธ๋ ์์ ์ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ํฅํ ๋ช ๋ ๊ฐ ์ฐ๊ฐ ํ ์ฒ์ฉ๋ง ์ธ๋๋ฐ์ ์์ ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฅผ ํตํด ์๋นํ ์์ฌํ๊ธํ๋ฆ(free cash flow)์ ์ฐฝ์ถํ์ฌ ๋ฐฐ๋น๊ณผ ์์ฌ์ฃผ ๋งค์ ์ ํตํด ์ฃผ์ฃผ๋ค์๊ฒ ํ์ํ ์ ์์ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์์ ํ ์ ํ์ ์ ๋์์์ ์ด์ ๋ํด ๋ณธ๊ฒฉ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ ผ์ํ ์ ์๊ฒ ๋๋ฉด, ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์๊ฐํ๊ณ ์๋์ง์ ๋ํ ๋ ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ๋ก๋๋งต์ ์ ์ํ๋๋ก ํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ ์์ ์ด ๊ฐ๊น์์ง๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ง์๋๋ฆด ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๋ง ๊ฐ๊น์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ด ์คํ๋์๋ค๊ณ ๋ง์๋๋ฆด ์ ์๋ ๋ ์ ๊ธฐ๋ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Benjamin Chaiken: Mizuho Securities USA LLC, Research Division Understood. And then near term, I think previously, there was a pretty healthy acceleration kind of implied between 3Q and 4Q yields. Obviously, 3Q came in better. Maybe talk about what you're seeing with close-in demand and how you're thinking about the remainder of the year. | **Benjamin Chaiken:** ์ดํดํ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋จ๊ธฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ด์ ์ 3๋ถ๊ธฐ์ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ์์ต๋ฅ ๊ฐ์ ์๋นํ ๊ฑด์ ํ ๊ฐ์ํ๊ฐ ์์๋์๋ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ถ๋ช ํ 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค์ ์ด ๋ ์ข๊ฒ ๋์๋๋ฐ์. ๊ฐ๊น์ด ์์ผ ๋ด ์์์์ ๋ณด๊ณ ๊ณ์๋ ์ํฉ๊ณผ ์ฌํด ๋จ์ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ์ ๋ํด ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์๊ฐํ๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ง ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๊น? |
| CEO & Director: Yes. Look, Q3 ended on a strong note, and that was, as David said in his notes, it was a combination of close-in demand being stronger than we had forecast and continued strength in onboard spending. Q4, where you saw we've been fairly consistent since the beginning of the year, actually about how we were looking at the second half of the year. And given the volatility impact that we had in the spring, it did limit our upside, as I've said before, and we managed to get some out of our third quarter. And as always, we're going to work as hard as we can to outperform every quarter, and that includes the fourth. But I think I said it last time, whereas we were outperforming in the first half of the year by 200 to 250 basis points on the yield side, that was going to be hard in the second half of the year, and you saw what we were able to do on the third quarter. | **CEO & Director:** ๋ค, 3๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ ๊ฐ์ธ๋ก ๋ง๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ์ด๋น๋๊ฐ ์ธ๊ธํ๋ฏ์ด, ์ด๋ ๋จ๊ธฐ ์์๊ฐ ์์๋ณด๋ค ๊ฐํ๋ ๊ฒ๊ณผ ์ ์ ์ง์ถ์ ์ง์์ ์ธ ๊ฐ์ธ๊ฐ ๊ฒฐํฉ๋ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ์์ต๋๋ค. 4๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ, ์ฐ์ด๋ถํฐ ํ๋ฐ๊ธฐ ์ ๋ง์ ๋ํด ์๋นํ ์ผ๊ด๋ ์ ์ฅ์ ์ ์งํด์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ด์ฒ ์ ๊ฒช์๋ ๋ณ๋์ฑ ์ํฅ์ผ๋ก ์ธํด ์์น ์ฌ๋ ฅ์ด ์ ํ๋์๋ค๊ณ ์ด์ ์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๋ฐ ์๋๋ฐ, 3๋ถ๊ธฐ์์๋ ์ด๋ ์ ๋ ๊ทธ ๋ถ๋ถ์ ๋งํํ ์ ์์์ต๋๋ค. ์ธ์ ๋ ๊ทธ๋ ๋ฏ์ด, 4๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํฌํจํด ๋งค ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ต์ ์ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ด๊ธฐ ์ํด ์ต์ ์ ๋คํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ง๋๋ฒ์๋ ๋ง์๋๋ ธ๋ฏ์ด, ์๋ฐ๊ธฐ์ ์์ต๋ฅ (yield) ์ธก๋ฉด์์ 200~250 ๋ฒ ์ด์์ค ํฌ์ธํธ ์ ๋ ์์ฅ์ ์์๊ณ ์์๋๋ฐ, ํ๋ฐ๊ธฐ์๋ ๊ทธ๋ฐ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ด๊ธฐ๊ฐ ์ด๋ ค์ธ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ํ์๊ณ , 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค์ ์์ ๋ณด์ จ๋ฏ์ด ์ค์ ๋ก ๊ทธ๋ ๊ฒ ๋์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Our next question is coming from Matthew Boss from JPMorgan. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ JPMorgan์ Matthew Boss๋๊ป์ ์ฃผ์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Matthew Boss: JPMorgan Chase & Co, Research Division Congrats on another nice quarter. So Josh, could you elaborate on the ample opportunity remaining with net yields, margins and returns that you cited in the release? I don't know maybe there's a way to think about what inning you see the overall story in today? Or just how would you rank the continued areas for ample improvement that you noted? | **Matthew Boss:** ๋ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์ข์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค์ ์ ์ถํ๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. ์กฐ์, ๋ณด๋์๋ฃ์์ ์ธ๊ธํ์ ์์์ต๋ฅ , ๋ง์ง, ์์ต๋ฅ ๊ณผ ๊ด๋ จํด ๋จ์์๋ ์ถฉ๋ถํ ๊ธฐํ์ ๋ํด ์์ธํ ์ค๋ช ํด ์ฃผ์ค ์ ์๋์? ํ์ฌ ์ ์ฒด์ ์ธ ์ํฉ์ ์ผ๊ตฌ๋ก ๋น์ ํ๋ฉด ๋ช ํ ์ ๋๋ผ๊ณ ๋ณด์๋์ง์? ์๋๋ฉด ์ธ๊ธํ์ ์ง์์ ์ธ ๊ฐ์ ์ฌ์ง๊ฐ ์๋ ์์ญ๋ค์ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์ฐ์ ์์๋ฅผ ๋งค๊ธฐ์ค ๊ฑด์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. |
| CEO & Director: Having just got to 13% on the return side, I don't see why that cannot make significant improvement on a longer-term basis from there. We never look -- I never looked at 13% as an ending point -- never looked at 12% as an ending point, which was our SEA Change targets, and now we're at 13%. We are planning in our fiscal second quarter, hopefully, early on in that second quarter to be able to give longer-term targets, which will probably help give you some clarity around how we're thinking about things. But from a margin perspective, from an improvement in yield perspective, I think you should expect us to have a continued track record of improvement over time. That's what we've shown, and we expect that to continue. | **CEO & Director:** ์์ต๋ฅ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ 13%์ ๋๋ฌํ ์ํฉ์์, ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ด ์์ค์์ ์๋นํ ๊ฐ์ ์ด ๋ถ๊ฐ๋ฅํ ์ด์ ๋ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ด
๋๋ค. ์ ๋ 13%๋ฅผ ์ข
์ฐฉ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. SEA Change ๋ชฉํ์๋ 12%๋ ์ข
์ฐฉ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด์ง ์์๊ณ , ์ง๊ธ 13%์ ๋๋ฌํ์ง๋ง ๋ง์ฐฌ๊ฐ์ง์
๋๋ค. 2๋ถ๊ธฐ, ๊ฐ๋ฅํ๋ฉด 2๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ด์ ์ฅ๊ธฐ ๋ชฉํ๋ฅผ ์ ์ํ ๊ณํ์ธ๋ฐ, ์ด๋ฅผ ํตํด ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์๊ฐํ๊ณ ์๋์ง ์ข ๋ ๋ช
ํํ๊ฒ ๋ณด์ฌ๋๋ฆด ์ ์์ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ๋ง์ง ๊ด์ ์์, ์์ต๋ฅ ๊ฐ์ ๊ด์ ์์ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์๊ฐ์ด ์ง๋๋ฉด์ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ฐ์ ์ค์ ์ ๋ณด์ฌ์ค ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๊ธฐ๋ํ์ ๋ ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ์ง๊ธ๊น์ง ๊ทธ๋ฐ ๋ชจ์ต์ ๋ณด์ฌ์๊ณ , ์์ผ๋ก๋ ๊ณ์๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. |
| Matthew Boss: JPMorgan Chase & Co, Research Division And then David, helpful color on costs for next year. Are there any constraints as we think about delivering on your algorithm for costs to grow below yields as we think about puts and takes for '26 and also as we think multiyear? | **Matthew Boss:** ๋ด๋ ๋น์ฉ์ ๋ํ ์ ์ฉํ ์ค๋ช ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค, David. 2026๋ ๊ณผ ๋ค๋ ๊ฐ ๊ด์ ์์ ๊ณ ๋ คํด์ผ ํ ์์ธ๋ค์ ์๊ฐํด๋ณผ ๋, ๋น์ฉ ์ฆ๊ฐ์จ์ ์์ต๋ฅ ์ฆ๊ฐ์จ๋ณด๋ค ๋ฎ๊ฒ ์ ์งํ๋ค๋ ์๊ณ ๋ฆฌ์ฆ์ ์คํํ๋ ๋ฐ ์์ด ์ ์ฝ ์์ธ์ด ์์๊น์? |
| David Bernstein: CFO & Chief Accounting Officer Yes. So as Josh indicated, we're going to be looking at targets early next year. And we do expect to see improving returns and improving margins. So which would mean that in the long term, yields would grow faster than costs over time. And any 1 given year, obviously, that's a difficult metric. But there are things that we can do in difficult circumstances, and we will work hard. We have lots of savings opportunities to leverage our scale. As we talked about, we saw things in the third quarter, hundreds of items, leveraging our scale across various operating areas, and we expect to see that continue into 2026. Some of that is what Josh was talking about before is offset to the cost increases that I mentioned in my prepared remarks. | **David Bernstein:** ๋ค, Josh๊ฐ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๋๋ก ๋ด๋
์ด์ ๋ชฉํ๋ฅผ ๊ฒํ ํ ์์ ์
๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์์ต๋ฅ ๊ณผ ๋ง์ง์ด ๊ฐ์ ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ์์ต๋ฅ (yield)์ด ์๊ฐ์ด ์ง๋จ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ๋น์ฉ๋ณด๋ค ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ฑ์ฅํ ๊ฒ์์ ์๋ฏธํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก ํน์ ์ฐ๋๋ง ๋๊ณ ๋ณด๋ฉด ์ธก์ ํ๊ธฐ ์ด๋ ค์ด ์งํ์ด๊ธด ํฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ด๋ ค์ด ์ํฉ์์๋ ํ ์ ์๋ ์ผ๋ค์ด ์๊ณ , ์ ํฌ๋ ์ด์ฌํ ๋
ธ๋ ฅํ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ ๊ท๋ชจ๋ฅผ ํ์ฉํ ์ ์๋ ๋น์ฉ ์ ๊ฐ ๊ธฐํ๊ฐ ๋ง์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฐ์ด 3๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๋ค์ํ ์ด์ ์์ญ์์ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ๊ฒฝ์ ๋ฅผ ํ์ฉํ ์๋ฐฑ ๊ฐ์ง ํญ๋ชฉ๋ค์ ํ์ธํ๊ณ , ์ด๋ฌํ ์ถ์ธ๊ฐ 2026๋ ๊น์ง ์ง์๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด ์ค ์ผ๋ถ๋ Josh๊ฐ ์์ ์ธ๊ธํ ๋ด์ฉ์ผ๋ก, ์ ๊ฐ ์ค๋น๋ ๋ฐ์ธ์์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๋น์ฉ ์ฆ๊ฐ๋ฅผ ์์ํ๋ ์์๋ค์ ๋๋ค. |
| Matthew Boss: JPMorgan Chase & Co, Research Division That's great color. Best of luck. | **Matthew Boss:** ์ข์ ์ค๋ช ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ด์ ๋น๋๋ค. |
| CEO & Director: Yes. And I'd just add for everybody, the lack of capacity, I think, is part of our strategy. It also basically means for every dollar that we spend, that's a $1 increase on our -- on a unit basis. And I'm not shying away from that. That is what it is, and we're going to work hard to reduce our costs wherever we see efficiency and we can leverage our scale more, but it's a very different environment on the cost side than when you're living with a 6%, 7%, 8% year-over-year capacity increase, which covers up quite a lot of cost spending underneath the surface. So that's on us. We're going to try to perform as well as we can in all circumstances, but that's just a reality of a very low-capacity environment. | **CEO & Director:** ๋ค, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋ชจ๋ ๋ถ๋ค๊ป ์ถ๊ฐ๋ก ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ์ฉ๋ ๋ถ์กฑ์ ์ฌ์ค ์ ํฌ ์ ๋ต์ ์ผ๋ถ์
๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ง์ถํ๋ 1๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ง๋ค ๋จ์ ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก 1๋ฌ๋ฌ ์ฆ๊ฐ๋ฅผ ์๋ฏธํฉ๋๋ค. ์ ๋ ์ด ์ ์ ํํผํ์ง ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ด ํ์ค์ด๊ณ , ์ ํฌ๋ ํจ์จ์ฑ์ ํ์ธํ ์ ์๋ ๋ชจ๋ ๊ณณ์์ ๋น์ฉ์ ์ ๊ฐํ๊ณ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ๊ฒฝ์ ๋ฅผ ๋ ํ์ฉํ๊ธฐ ์ํด ์ด์ฌํ ๋
ธ๋ ฅํ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ด๋ ์ฐ๊ฐ 6%, 7%, 8%์ ์ฉ๋ ์ฆ๊ฐ์ ํจ๊ป ์ด์๊ฐ๋ ๋์๋ ๋น์ฉ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ๋งค์ฐ ๋ค๋ฅธ ํ๊ฒฝ์
๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฐ ์ฉ๋ ์ฆ๊ฐ๋ ํ๋ฉด ์๋ ์๋นํ ๋น์ฉ ์ง์ถ์ ๊ฐ๋ ค์ฃผ์๊ฑฐ๋ ์. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ด๋ ์ ํฌ์ ๋ชซ์ ๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ๋ชจ๋ ์ํฉ์์ ์ต์ ์ ๋คํด ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ด๋ ค๊ณ ๋ ธ๋ ฅํ๊ฒ ์ง๋ง, ์ด๊ฒ์ด ๋ฐ๋ก ๋งค์ฐ ๋ฎ์ ์ฉ๋ ํ๊ฒฝ์ ํ์ค์ ๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Next question today is coming from Conor Cunningham from Melius Research. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ Melius Research์ Conor Cunningham๋๊ป์ ์ฃผ์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Melius Research LLC: In the prepared remarks, you talked a little bit about the laggard brands moving up the ranks. I was just hoping you could maybe drill down on that a little bit and talk about what's actually improving there. And then I mean, in the past, you've just talked about rationalizing brands and whatnot. So I would imagine that there's some sort of investment needed to kind of get those brands back to the 2019 and beyond levels. So if you could just talk a little bit about the laggards, that would be helpful. | **Melius Research LLC:** ์ค๋น๋ ๋ฐ์ธ์์ ๋ถ์งํ๋ ๋ธ๋๋๋ค์ด ์์๋ฅผ ์ฌ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ง์ํ์ จ๋๋ฐ, ๊ทธ ๋ถ๋ถ์ ์ข ๋ ์์ธํ ์ค๋ช ํด ์ฃผ์ค ์ ์์๊น์? ์ค์ ๋ก ์ด๋ค ๋ถ๋ถ์ด ๊ฐ์ ๋๊ณ ์๋์ง ๋ง์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ์ ๋ธ๋๋ ํฉ๋ฆฌํ ๋ฑ์ ๋ํด ๋ง์ํ์ ์ ์ด ์๋๋ฐ, ์ด๋ฐ ๋ธ๋๋๋ค์ 2019๋ ์์ค์ด๋ ๊ทธ ์ด์์ผ๋ก ๋์ด์ฌ๋ฆฌ๋ ค๋ฉด ์ด๋ ์ ๋ ํฌ์๊ฐ ํ์ํ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ถ์ง ๋ธ๋๋๋ค์ ๋ํด ์ข ๋ ์์ธํ ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์๋ฉด ๋์์ด ๋ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. |
| CEO & Director: Yes. It is interesting, and we don't really -- and I'm not going to open the kimono and just tell you everything that you probably want to know. But I would say that, for example, some of the brands that are lagging 2019, well, they were super high up the leaderboard in 2019. And they're already at double digit. They're just not to where they were in 2019 because they were really clicking on all cylinders. And they've already got -- they're showing improvement, good improvement, but I know that there's a way to go. Likewise, there's a couple of brands that have already improved versus 2019, but their 2019 starting point wasn't anything to be raving about. So I know that they've gotten to even higher heights in the past 20 years, and we see a path to be able to help them get there. So it is a bit of a mix underneath. When we talk about significant investment, though, in order to be able to help brands really get up to the top of that leaderboard, I don't think there's actually anything in particular, that is a glaring hole for any of these brands that we've got to fill. We have rationalized. We have rightsized many of our brands that needed rightsizing and the progress is good, and we'll continue to support the brands that need a little bit more help than others to keep pushing up the ranks. I'm ecstatic that as amazingly as Carnival and AIDA have been doing over the last couple of years, they got to look over their shoulder because there's some that are coming on fast. | **CEO & Director:** ๋ค, ํฅ๋ฏธ๋ก์ด ๋ถ๋ถ์ด๊ณ , ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ๋ชจ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋ค ๊ณต๊ฐํ ์๋ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ์ด ์๊ณ ์ถ์ดํ๋ ๋ชจ๋ ์ ๋ณด๋ฅผ ๋ค ๋ง์๋๋ฆด ์๋ ์๋ค๋ ๋ป์
๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์๋ฅผ ๋ค์ด, 2019๋
๋๋น ๋ค์ฒ์ง๊ณ ์๋ ์ผ๋ถ ๋ธ๋๋๋ค์ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ, ์ฌ์ค 2019๋
์๋ ๋ฆฌ๋๋ณด๋ ์ต์์๊ถ์ ์์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฏธ ๋ ์๋ฆฟ์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์์ง๋ง, 2019๋
์์ค๊น์ง๋ ์์ง ๋๋ฌํ์ง ๋ชปํ ์ํฉ์
๋๋ค. ๋น์์๋ ๋ชจ๋ ๋ฉด์์ ์ ๋ง ์ ๋์๊ฐ๊ณ ์์๊ฑฐ๋ ์. ํ์ฌ ๊ฐ์ ์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์๊ณ , ์ข์ ๊ฐ์ ์ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์์ง๋ง, ์์ง ๊ฐ ๊ธธ์ด ์๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ์๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ง์ฐฌ๊ฐ์ง๋ก, ์ด๋ฏธ 2019๋ ๋๋น ๊ฐ์ ๋ ๋ธ๋๋๋ค๋ ๋ช ๊ฐ ์์ง๋ง, ์ด๋ค์ 2019๋ ์ถ๋ฐ์ ์์ฒด๊ฐ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ ์๋ํ ๋งํ ์์ค์ ์๋์์ต๋๋ค. ์ง๋ 20๋ ๊ฐ ์ด๋ค์ด ๋ ๋์ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ์๊ณ ์๊ณ , ๊ทธ ์์ค์ ๋๋ฌํ ์ ์๋๋ก ๋์ธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ์ด ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ด ๋๋ค. ๋ด๋ถ์ ์ผ๋ก๋ ๋ค์ ํผ์ฌ๋ ์ํฉ์ ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ๋ธ๋๋๋ค์ด ๋ฆฌ๋๋ณด๋ ์์๊ถ์ ์ค๋ฅผ ์ ์๋๋ก ๋๊ธฐ ์ํ ๋๊ท๋ชจ ํฌ์์ ๋ํด ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ๋ณด์ ํ ๋ธ๋๋๋ค ์ค ํน๋ณํ ๋ฉ์์ผ ํ ๋ช ๋ฐฑํ ๊ณต๋ฐฑ์ ์๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ํฉ๋ฆฌํ๋ฅผ ์งํํ๊ณ , ๊ท๋ชจ ์กฐ์ ์ด ํ์ํ๋ ๋ง์ ๋ธ๋๋๋ค์ ๊ท๋ชจ๋ฅผ ์ ์ ํํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ง์ ์ํฉ๋ ์ํธํฉ๋๋ค. ์์ผ๋ก๋ ๋ค๋ฅธ ๋ธ๋๋๋ค๋ณด๋ค ์กฐ๊ธ ๋ ๋์์ด ํ์ํ ๋ธ๋๋๋ค์ ๊ณ์ ์ง์ํ์ฌ ์์๋ฅผ ๋์ด์ฌ๋ฆด ์ ์๋๋ก ํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ง๋ ๋ช ๋ ๊ฐ ์นด๋๋ฐ๊ณผ ์์ด๋ค๊ฐ ๋๋ผ์ธ ์ ๋๋ก ์ํด์์ง๋ง, ์ด์ ๋ ๋ค๋ฅผ ๋์๋ด์ผ ํ ์ํฉ์ ๋๋ค. ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒ ๋ฐ๋ผ์ค๋ ๋ธ๋๋๋ค์ด ์๊ฑฐ๋ ์. ์ ๋ง ๊ธฐ์ ์ผ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Melius Research LLC: Okay. That's helpful. And then I know that you got asked about '26, and maybe I can ask about '27. So on the dry dock commentary, it seems like there's been a couple of issues with that. I mean, you've had a headwind for several years now, right? And then '27, I would think that we would actually start to tick down again. Like what holds that back? Like is your fleet back to -- if you can just talk about the dry dock opportunity in -- come '27, does it actually start to bend down again, that would be helpful. | **Melius Research LLC:** ๋ค, ๋์์ด ๋๋ ๋ต๋ณ์ด์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 26๋ ์ ๋ํด ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋ฐ์ผ์ ๊ฑธ ์๊ณ ์๋๋ฐ, 27๋ ์ ๋ํด์๋ ์ฌ์ญค๋ณผ ์ ์์๊น์? ๋๋ผ์ด๋ ๊ด๋ จ ์ฝ๋ฉํธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ฉด ๋ช ๊ฐ์ง ์ด์๋ค์ด ์์๋ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ์ง๋ ๋ช ๋ ๊ฐ ๊ณ์ ์ญํ์ ๊ฒช์ด์ค์ จ์์์? ๊ทธ๋ฐ๋ฐ 27๋ ์๋ ์ค์ ๋ก ๋ค์ ๊ฐ์์ธ๋ก ๋์์ค ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์๋ฐ์. ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ๋ง๋ ์์ธ์ด ๋ญ๊ฐ์? ๋ณด์ ์ ๋จ์ด ๋ค์ ์ ์ํ๋๋ ๊ฑด์ง... 27๋ ๋๋ผ์ด๋ ๊ธฐํ์ ๋ํด ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์ค ์ ์๋์? ์ค์ ๋ก 27๋ ๋ถํฐ๋ ๋ค์ ํํฅ ๊ณก์ ์ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ ์์ํ๋ ๊ฑด์ง ์ค๋ช ํด ์ฃผ์๋ฉด ๋์์ด ๋ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. |
| David Bernstein: CFO & Chief Accounting Officer Yes. So 2027, I mean, at the moment, these things move around constantly as we plan things. But at the moment, the plan is for less dry dock days in 2027 than in 2026. But I caution you that things can change as they do all the time. So there may be some opportunity there on the flip side, but it's very premature. | **David Bernstein:** ๋ค, 2027๋ ๊ด๋ จํด์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ํ์ฌ ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ๊ณํ์ ์ธ์ฐ๋ฉด์ ์ด๋ฐ ๊ฒ๋ค์ด ๊ณ์ ๋ณ๋๋๊ณ ์๋ ์ํฉ์ ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ํ์ฌ ๊ณํ์ผ๋ก๋ 2027๋ ์ ๋๋ผ์ด๋ ์ผ์๊ฐ 2026๋ ๋ณด๋ค ์ ์ ์์ ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ค๋ง ํญ์ ๊ทธ๋ ๋ฏ์ด ์ํฉ์ด ๋ณํ ์ ์๋ค๋ ์ ์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฐ ๋ฉด์์ ๊ธฐํ๊ฐ ์์ ์๋ ์์ง๋ง, ์์ง์ ๋งค์ฐ ์ด๋ฅธ ๋จ๊ณ๋ผ๊ณ ๋ด ๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Your next question is coming from Lizzie Dove from Goldman Sachs Asset Management. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๊ณจ๋๋ง์ญ์ค ์์ฐ์ด์ฉ์ ๋ฆฌ์ง ๋๋ธ๋๊ป์ ์ฃผ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Elizabeth Dove: Goldman Sachs Group, Inc., Research Division So congrats on another great quarter, obviously, really strong same-ship yields. I'm curious as you go forward, it feels like you're having really strong returns from things like the AIDA Evolution program. How do you evaluate when you're thinking about building new ships versus maybe expanding that type of retrofitting type program to the other brands and the relative returns there? | **Elizabeth Dove:** ๋ ๋ค๋ฅธ ํ๋ฅญํ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค์ ์ ์ถํ๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. ๋์ผ์ ๋ฐ ์์ต๋ฅ (same-ship yields)์ด ์ ๋ง ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ๋ค์. ์์ผ๋ก๋ฅผ ์๊ฐํด๋ณด๋ฉด AIDA Evolution ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ ๊ฐ์ ๊ฒ๋ค์์ ์ ๋ง ๊ฐํ ์์ต์ ๊ฑฐ๋๊ณ ๊ณ์ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์๋ฐ์. ์ ๊ท ์ ๋ฐ ๊ฑด์กฐ์ ๋ค๋ฅธ ๋ธ๋๋๋ค๋ก ์ด๋ฐ ๊ฐ์กฐ(retrofitting) ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ํ์ฅํ๋ ๊ฒ ์ฌ์ด์์ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ํ๊ฐํ์๋์ง, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ฐ๊ฐ์ ์๋์ ์์ต๋ฅ ์ ์ด๋ค์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. |
| CEO & Director: Yes. So actually, I'm not going to tell you which one, but I sat through a session last week with another one of our brands to be doing something similar vein to how AIDA is thinking about their midlife ship refurbishment program. So we are actively in the middle of that. Most of our brands have no new builds on order. And so making sure that we're maximizing the assets that we've got and investing in them when the returns make sense is part of how we're thinking about the world going forward. It's one of the reasons why our dry dock costs are higher than they have been in the past, but they're giving us the return. So we do look at it -- I would look at it very similar to a new build, right? What's the incremental amount that they want to spend, incremental to what would be normal just to run the ships in the normal course. And what are we going to get for it? And AIDA's shown us a template for getting significantly outsized returns on that type of investment. So I would say stay tuned, there will be more to come in this space. | **CEO & Director:** ๋ค, ์ค์ ๋ก ์ด๋ค ๋ธ๋๋์ธ์ง๋ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ์ง ์๊ฒ ์ง๋ง, ์ง๋์ฃผ์ ์ ํฌ ๋ค๋ฅธ ๋ธ๋๋ ์ค ํ๋์ ํจ๊ป AIDA๊ฐ ์ค๋
๊ธฐ ์ ๋ฐ ๊ฐ์กฐ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ(midlife ship refurbishment program)์ ๋ํด ์๊ฐํ๊ณ ์๋ ๊ฒ๊ณผ ์ ์ฌํ ๋ฐฉํฅ์ผ๋ก ์งํํ๋ ์ธ์
์ ์ฐธ์ํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ํ์ฌ ๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ ์ ์ ๊ทน์ ์ผ๋ก ์งํํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ ๋ธ๋๋ ๋๋ถ๋ถ์ ์ ๊ท ์ ๋ฐ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ์ด ์๋ ์ํฉ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ๋ณด์ ํ ์์ฐ์ ์ต๋ํ ํ์ฉํ๊ณ ์์ต์ฑ์ด ์์ ๋ ํฌ์ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์์ผ๋ก ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ธ์์ ๋ฐ๋ผ๋ณด๋ ๋ฐฉ์์ ์ผ๋ถ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ด ์ ํฌ ๋๋ผ์ด๋ ๋น์ฉ์ด ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ๋ณด๋ค ๋์์ง ์ด์ ์ค ํ๋์ด์ง๋ง, ๊ทธ๋งํ ์์ต์ ๊ฐ์ ธ๋ค์ฃผ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ ํฌ๋ ์ด๋ฅผ ์ ์กฐ์ ๊ณผ ๋งค์ฐ ์ ์ฌํ๊ฒ ๋ฐ๋ผ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ ์์ ์ผ๋ก ์ด์ํ๋ ๋ฐ ํ์ํ ์ผ๋ฐ์ ์ธ ๋น์ฉ ๋๋น ์ถ๊ฐ๋ก ํฌ์ํ๋ ค๋ ์ฆ๋ถ ๊ธ์ก์ด ์ผ๋ง์ธ์ง, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ทธ ํฌ์๋ก ๋ฌด์์ ์ป์ ์ ์๋์ง๋ฅผ ์ดํด๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. AIDA๊ฐ ์ด๋ฐ ์ ํ์ ํฌ์์์ ์๋นํ ํฐ ์์ต์ ๊ฑฐ๋ ์ ์๋ ํ ํ๋ฆฟ์ ๋ณด์ฌ์ฃผ์๊ฑฐ๋ ์. ์ด ๋ถ์ผ์์ ๋ ๋ง์ ์์์ด ์์ ์์ ์ด๋ ์ง์ผ๋ด ์ฃผ์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค. |
| Elizabeth Dove: Goldman Sachs Group, Inc., Research Division Got it. That's helpful. And then shifting gears, in Galveston, I think you're still the leading cruise line there in terms of volumes, number of ships there, et cetera. But you do have on one of your peers mainly, I suppose, like trying to get more active in that space over the next few years. How does that impact, or does it impact how you think of your go-to-market there? There's been a lot of expansion on islands in the Eastern Caribbean, which I know you can reach from Galveston, but whether it's more developments with the Western Caribbean or Mexico, Porto Maya that you have, Isla Tropicale, how do you just think about keeping that competitive edge in Galveston? | **Elizabeth Dove:** ๋ค, ๋์์ด ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ํ์ ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ๊ฟ์, ๊ฐค๋ฒ์คํด์์๋ ์ฌ์ ํ ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ๋ฌผ๋์ด๋ ์ ๋ฐ ์ ๋ฑ์์ ์ ๋์ ์ธ ํฌ๋ฃจ์ฆ ๋ผ์ธ์ผ๋ก ์๋ฆฌ์ก๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ฃผ์ ๊ฒฝ์์ฌ ์ค ํ ๊ณณ์ด ํฅํ ๋ช ๋ ๊ฐ ์ด ์์ฅ์์ ๋์ฑ ์ ๊ทน์ ์ผ๋ก ํ๋ํ๋ ค๊ณ ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ด ๊ฐค๋ฒ์คํด์์์ ์์ฅ ์ง์ถ ์ ๋ต์ ์ด๋ค ์ํฅ์ ๋ฏธ์น๋์ง, ์๋๋ฉด ์ํฅ์ ๋ฏธ์น๋์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. ๋๋ถ ์นด๋ฆฌ๋ธํด ์ฌ๋ค์์ ๋ง์ ํ์ฅ์ด ์์๋๋ฐ, ๊ฐค๋ฒ์คํด์์๋ ์ ๊ทผ ๊ฐ๋ฅํ ๊ณณ๋ค์ด์ฃ . ํ์ง๋ง ์๋ถ ์นด๋ฆฌ๋ธํด๋ ๋ฉ์์ฝ์์์ ์ถ๊ฐ ๊ฐ๋ฐ์ด๋ , ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ๋ณด์ ํ ํฌ๋ฅดํ ๋ง์ผ๋ ์ด์ฌ๋ผ ํธ๋กํผ์นผ๋ ๊ฐ์ ๊ณณ์ด๋ , ๊ฐค๋ฒ์คํด์์ ๊ฒฝ์ ์ฐ์๋ฅผ ์ ์งํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋ํด ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์๊ฐํ๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ง์? |
| CEO & Director: Yes. Galveston has been a tremendous market for us for decades, and we expect that to continue. We've got some fairly loyal guest bases all throughout Texas, which is always appreciated. So it's certainly more crowded. I mean, we find that everywhere, right? People see successful operations and they want to emulate it, and I want to do the same when I see it from others. So we're going to try to keep upping our game and the guest experience that we have, the ships that we put there and where we can take them. We're always looking at opportunities, Lizzie, for how to diversify the offerings for our guests, and we'll continue to do that. And every market is important. Every home port is important. But one of the things that we get with our scale and our size and that diverse portfolio is a lot of things are clicking well for us, right? I mean the Caribbean is about 1/3 of our business. It's an important 1/3. But Europe is, I think, getting pretty d*** close to 30% of our business. Alaska is inching towards double digit and -- primarily over the third quarter. So we really do have a diversified portfolio that we've been, I would say, over my tenure, it didn't start in a lot of folks' minds as a positive. It was a drag because North America started out the gate so quickly when we came out of our pause. But I can tell you that diversification and the strength of that portfolio all over the world is a huge benefit for us, and we continue to enjoy the results. | **CEO & Director:** ๊ฐค๋ฒ์คํด์ ์์ญ ๋
๊ฐ ์ ํฌ์๊ฒ ์ ๋ง ์ค์ํ ์์ฅ์ด์๊ณ , ์์ผ๋ก๋ ๊ณ์ ๊ทธ๋ด ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๊ธฐ๋ํฉ๋๋ค. ํ
์ฌ์ค ์ ์ญ์ ์๋นํ ์ถฉ์ฑ๋ ๋์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ธต์ ํ๋ณดํ๊ณ ์์ด์ ํญ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํ๊ฒ ์๊ฐํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก ๊ฒฝ์์ด ๋ ์น์ดํด์ง ๊ฒ์ ์ฌ์ค์
๋๋ค. ์ด๋์๋ ๊ทธ๋ฐ ํ์์ ๋ณด๊ฒ ๋์ฃ . ์ฑ๊ณต์ ์ธ ์ด์์ ๋ณด๋ฉด ์ฌ๋๋ค์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ํ๊ณ ์ถ์ด ํ๋๋ฐ, ์ ์ญ์ ๋ค๋ฅธ ๊ณณ์์ ์ข์ ์ฌ๋ก๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ฉด ๋๊ฐ์ด ํ๊ณ ์ถ์ด ํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ์ ํฌ๋ ๊ณ์ํด์ ๊ฒ์์ ์์ค์ ๋์ด๋ ค๊ณ ๋ ธ๋ ฅํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ณ ๊ฐ ๊ฒฝํ, ๊ทธ๊ณณ์ ๋ฐฐ์นํ๋ ์ ๋ฐ๋ค, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ ์ด๋๋ก ๋ชจ์ค ์ ์๋์ง ๋ฑ ๋ชจ๋ ๋ฉด์์ ๋ง์ด์ฃ . ๋ฆฌ์ง, ์ ํฌ๋ ํญ์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์๊ฒ ์ ๊ณตํ๋ ์๋น์ค๋ฅผ ๋ค์ํํ ์ ์๋ ๊ธฐํ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๊ณ ์๊ณ , ์์ผ๋ก๋ ๊ณ์ ๊ทธ๋ ๊ฒ ํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ชจ๋ ์์ฅ์ด ์ค์ํ๊ณ , ๋ชจ๋ ๋ชจํญ์ด ์ค์ํฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ํฌ๊ธฐ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋ค์ํ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค๋ฅผ ํตํด ์ป๋ ๊ฒ ์ค ํ๋๋ ๋ง์ ๊ฒ๋ค์ด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์๊ฒ ์ ๋ง์๋จ์ด์ง๊ณ ์๋ค๋ ์ ์ ๋๋ค. ์นด๋ฆฌ๋ธํด ์ง์ญ์ด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ์ฌ์ ์ ์ฝ 3๋ถ์ 1์ ์ฐจ์งํ๊ณ ์์ด์. ์ค์ํ 3๋ถ์ 1์ด์ฃ . ํ์ง๋ง ์ ๋ฝ๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ์ฌ์ ์ ๊ฑฐ์ 30%์ ๊ฐ๊น์์ง๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ์๋์ค์นด๋ ๋ ์๋ฆฟ์์ ๊ทผ์ ํ๊ณ ์๊ณ ์ - ์ฃผ๋ก 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋์ ๋ง์ด์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ ๋ง๋ก ๋ค์ํ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๊ฐ ์ฌ์ํ๋ ๋์ ์ด๊ฒ์ด ๋ง์ ์ฌ๋๋ค ๋ง์์์์๋ ์ฒ์์ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ธ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋์ง ์์๋ค๊ณ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ถ์ด์. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ค๋จ ์ํ์์ ๋ฒ์ด๋ฌ์ ๋ ๋ถ๋ฏธ๊ฐ ๋๋ฌด ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ถ๋ฐํ๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ์คํ๋ ค ๋ฐ๋ชฉ์ ์ก๋ ์์์์ฃ . ํ์ง๋ง ์ ์ธ๊ณ์ ๊ฑธ์น ๊ทธ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค์ ๋ค์์ฑ๊ณผ ๊ฐ์ ์ด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์๊ฒ ์์ฒญ๋ ์ด์ต์ด ๋๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ง์๋๋ฆด ์ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ณ์ํด์ ๊ทธ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ง๋ฝํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Next question is coming from David Katz from Jefferies. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ์ ํ๋ฆฌ์ค์ ๋ฐ์ด๋น๋ ์นด์ธ ๋ก๋ถํฐ ๋์์ต๋๋ค. |
| David Katz: Jefferies LLC, Research Division David, in some of your earlier remarks about capital allocation, there was some reference to a bit of a transition to getting to return capital. Should we think about leverage having to get inside of that 3x before there'd be more substantial recurring, whatever adjective we'd like to put on it. How are we thinking about the progression from here before we'd see maybe a buyback and other forms? | **David Katz:** ์๋ณธ ๋ฐฐ๋ถ์ ๋ํ ์ด๊ธฐ ๋ฐ์ธ์์ ์๋ณธ ์์ต๋ฅ ๋ก์ ์ ํ์ ๋ํด ์ธ๊ธํ์ จ๋๋ฐ, ๋ณด๋ค ์ค์ง์ ์ด๊ณ ์ง์์ ์ธ ์๋ณธ ํ์์ด ์ด๋ฃจ์ด์ง๊ธฐ ์ ์ ๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง๊ฐ 3๋ฐฐ ์ดํ๋ก ๋ด๋ ค๊ฐ์ผ ํ๋ค๊ณ ๋ด์ผ ํ ๊น์? ์์ฌ์ฃผ ๋งค์ ์ด๋ ๋ค๋ฅธ ํํ์ ์๋ณธ ํ์์ ๋ณด๊ธฐ ์ ๊น์ง ์์ผ๋ก ์ด๋ค ๊ณผ์ ์ ๊ฑฐ์น ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์๊ฐํ๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ง์? |
| David Bernstein: CFO & Chief Accounting Officer Well, I think, I'll start by saying, I think it's wonderful, we're having this conversation that we're having this conversation... | **David Bernstein:** ์, ๋จผ์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ถ์ ๊ฒ์ ์ด๋ฐ ๋ํ๋ฅผ ๋๋๊ฒ ๋์ด ์ ๋ง ์ข๋ค๋ ์ ์ ๋๋ค... |
| David Katz: Jefferies LLC, Research Division | **David Katz:** I notice you've provided "Jefferies LLC, Research Division" which appears to be a header or attribution line rather than spoken content from an earnings call Q&A session. Could you please provide the actual management response or spoken content that you'd like me to translate into Korean? I'm ready to translate the executive's remarks following the guidelines you've specified. |
| David Bernstein: CFO & Chief Accounting Officer That we're in with a strong balance sheet getting stronger every day. But as Josh said, it is a Board decision. And we do have to have some conversations with the Board. We are looking at, given our circumstances, as I said, we can begin to think about returning capital to shareholders, and we will do that. And as we go along throughout 2026, we will make decisions as to how much, when, where and how. And so it's a little premature to give -- make any statements relative to the size or magnitude of anything in terms of that right now. | **David Bernstein:** ์ ํฌ๋ ๋งค์ผ ๋์ฑ ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํด์ง๊ณ ์๋ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์ฌ๋ฌด๊ตฌ์กฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐํ์ผ๋ก ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง Josh๊ฐ ๋งํ๋ฏ์ด ์ด๋ ์ด์ฌํ์ ๊ฒฐ์ ์ฌํญ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด์ฌํ์ ๋ช ๊ฐ์ง ๋ ผ์๋ฅผ ํด์ผ ํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฐ์ด ์ ํฌ์ ํ์ฌ ์ํฉ์ ๊ณ ๋ คํ ๋ ์ฃผ์ฃผํ์์ ์์ํ ์ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ๊ทธ๋ ๊ฒ ํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. 2026๋ ๋ด๋ด ์งํํ๋ฉด์ ์ผ๋ง๋, ์ธ์ , ์ด๋์, ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ํ ์ง์ ๋ํ ๊ฒฐ์ ์ ๋ด๋ฆด ์์ ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ง๊ธ ๋น์ฅ ๊ท๋ชจ๋ ํฌ๊ธฐ์ ๊ด๋ จํด์ ์ด๋ค ๋ฐํ๋ฅผ ํ๊ธฐ์๋ ๋ค์ ์ด๋ฅธ ๊ฐ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| CEO & Director: Yes. One thing, David, I think you misspoke, or you misread the release in that we're not looking to get to 3x before we start doing that shareholder return of capital. It's as we have our line of sight on 3.5x is where we can start pivoting and doing more. We don't -- even though our long-term target is under 3x, once we get to that 3.5x, we can walk and chew gum, and we can do both. | **CEO & Director:** ๋ค, ํ ๊ฐ์ง ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉด ๋ฐ์ด๋น๋, ์๋ชป ๋ง์ํ์ จ๊ฑฐ๋ ๋ณด๋์๋ฃ๋ฅผ ์๋ชป ์ฝ์ผ์ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์๋ฐ, ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ฃผ์ฃผ ์๋ณธ ํ์์ ์์ํ๊ธฐ ์ ์ 3๋ฐฐ๊น์ง ๋ด๋ ค๊ฐ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋ค๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ฒ์ ์๋๋๋ค. 3.5๋ฐฐ๊ฐ ๋ณด์ด๊ธฐ ์์ํ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋๋ถํฐ ๋ฐฉํฅ์ ์ ํํด์ ๋ ๋ง์ ๊ฒ๋ค์ ํ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ ์ฅ๊ธฐ ๋ชฉํ๊ฐ 3๋ฐฐ ๋ฏธ๋ง์ด๊ธด ํ์ง๋ง, 3.5๋ฐฐ์ ๋๋ฌํ๋ฉด ๋ ๊ฐ์ง๋ฅผ ๋์์ ํ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ ๋ค ๊ฐ๋ฅํ๋ค๋ ๋ป์ ๋๋ค. |
| David Katz: Jefferies LLC, Research Division Understood. And that's what I intended. But just to follow up, thinking about other potential large capital projects or investments that may come our way. Is there any -- I know this is not always the best place for hypotheticals but just thinking about what might get in the way or defer any of that leverage come down. Anything out there we should just consider or be aware of? | **David Katz:** ์ดํดํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๊ฐ ์๋ํ ๋ฐ๊ฐ ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ด์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ํ์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ผ๋ก, ํฅํ ๋ค๋ฅธ ๋๊ท๋ชจ ์๋ณธ ํ๋ก์ ํธ๋ ํฌ์ ๊ธฐํ๋ค์ ๋ํด ์๊ฐํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ๊ฐ์ ์ ์ธ ์ง๋ฌธ์ด ํญ์ ์ ์ ํ์ง๋ ์๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ์๊ณ ์์ง๋ง, ๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง ๊ฐ์ถ์ ๋ฐฉํดํ๊ฑฐ๋ ์ง์ฐ์ํฌ ์ ์๋ ์์ธ๋ค์ด ์์๊น์? ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ๊ณ ๋ คํ๊ฑฐ๋ ์ธ์งํด์ผ ํ ์ฌํญ๋ค์ด ์๋ค๋ฉด ๋ฌด์์ธ์ง์? |
| CEO & Director: No. The only thing I'd say is, as we've been talking about a little bit on this call is part of what we do is invest in ourselves on the capital side. So if we see opportunities for midlife ship significant refurbishments like we're doing with AIDA, that will certainly come into effect. There's the opportunity for phase 2 of Celebration Key as we've talked about. But none of that is even close actually to the price of a new build. So we're talking about things in any -- over the coming years that we think are accretive to the business, but in the grand scheme of things are significantly smaller than the types of investments that an individual new build would have us make. | **CEO & Director:** ์๋์. ์ด๋ฒ ํตํ์์ ์กฐ๊ธ ์ด์ผ๊ธฐํ๋ฏ์ด, ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ํ๋ ์ผ ์ค ํ๋๋ ์๋ณธ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ์์ฌ์ ํฌ์ํ๋ ๊ฒ์
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๋๋ค. ๋ํ ์์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ Celebration Key 2๋จ๊ณ ๊ธฐํ๋ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ด ๋ชจ๋ ๊ฒ๋ค์ ์ ์กฐ์ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ์ ๊ทผ์ ํ์ง๋ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํฅํ ๋ช ๋ ๊ฐ ์ฌ์ ์ ๋์์ด ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์๊ฐ๋๋ ๊ฒ๋ค์ ๋ํด ์ด์ผ๊ธฐํ๊ณ ์์ง๋ง, ์ ์ฒด์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด๋ฉด ๊ฐ๋ณ ์ ์กฐ์ ์ด ์๊ตฌํ๋ ํฌ์ ์ ํ๋ณด๋ค ํจ์ฌ ์์ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ๋๋ค. |
| David Katz: Jefferies LLC, Research Division Next question is coming from Sharon Zackfia from William Blair. | **David Katz:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ William Blair์ Sharon Zackfia๋ก๋ถํฐ ๋ฐ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Sharon Zackfia: William Blair & Company L.L.C., Research Division I think at the beginning, you talked about early learnings on Celebration Key, kind of things that maybe you can amplify and/or improve. So I'd be curious on what you're hearing from guests there. And then secondarily, on the loyalty hit to yields next year. I assume that's all kind of second half weighted just given when loyalty kind of rolls out, if you could clarify that. | **Sharon Zackfia:** ์ฒ์์ Celebration Key์ ๋ํ ์ด๊ธฐ ํ์ต ๋ด์ฉ์ ๋ํด ๋ง์ํ์ จ๋๋ฐ, ํ๋ํ๊ฑฐ๋ ๊ฐ์ ํ ์ ์๋ ๋ถ๋ถ๋ค์ ๋ํด ์ธ๊ธํ์ จ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ๊ทธ๊ณณ์์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค๋ก๋ถํฐ ์ด๋ค ํผ๋๋ฐฑ์ ๋ฐ๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋ ๋ฒ์งธ๋ก, ๋ด๋ ์์ต๋ฅ (yield)์ ๋ํ ๋ก์ดํฐ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ์ํฅ์ ๋ํด์์ธ๋ฐ์. ๋ก์ดํฐ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ด ์ธ์ ์ถ์๋๋์ง๋ฅผ ๊ณ ๋ คํ ๋ ์ด ์ํฅ์ด ๋ชจ๋ ํ๋ฐ๊ธฐ์ ์ง์ค๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๊ฐ์ ํ๋๋ฐ, ์ด ๋ถ๋ถ์ ๋ช ํํ ํด์ฃผ์ค ์ ์๋์? |
| CEO & Director: So on the Celebration Key side, some of this is us being a little bit more thoughtful about exactly how we schedule the arrivals and departures of our ships when we've got multiple ships in port to make sure that everybody's got time and space to have an amazing time because there's so many folks going ashore, which is amazing. We need to get some chaise lounges and more umbrellas, which is I'm actually happy to do. Some more shading in the island. There are some things that structurally we are working on. There's a rocky stretch of the beach that we want to make less rocky over time. We just got to see how the natural flows of the environment are working in a little bit more of an extended period to make those types of decisions. But tweaks all over the place. On the F&B offerings, the type of things we offer, where we offer them. I mean it's all going to be in play. I mean, I'd say this with a lot of love for the team at Carnival Corporation worldwide who have been participating in this. The fact that we hit the ground running as hard as we have from opening to pretty much full is pretty phenomenal. And we'll take the learnings as we go, and we'll just feed it in. Not really no different from a new ship, no different from new functions. You just got to listen, get feedback and move on. As far as the loyalty hit, you want to... | **CEO & Director:** Celebration Key ์ธก๋ฉด์์๋ ์ฌ๋ฌ ์ฒ์ ์ ๋ฐ์ด ํญ๊ตฌ์ ์ ๋ฐํ ๋ ๋์ฐฉ๊ณผ ์ถ๋ฐ ์ผ์ ์ ์ข ๋ ์ ์คํ๊ฒ ๊ณํํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๋ง ๋ง์ ์น๊ฐ๋ค์ด ์๋ฅํ๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๋ชจ๋ ๋ถ๋ค์ด ์ถฉ๋ถํ ์๊ฐ๊ณผ ๊ณต๊ฐ์ ๊ฐ์ง๊ณ ๋ฉ์ง ์๊ฐ์ ๋ณด๋ผ ์ ์๋๋ก ํ๊ธฐ ์ํด์์
๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์ ๋ง ๋๋ผ์ด ์ผ์ด์ฃ . ๋ผ์ด์ง ์์์ ํ๋ผ์์ ๋ ํ๋ณดํด์ผ ํ๋๋ฐ, ์ฌ์ค ๊ธฐ๊บผ์ด ํ๊ณ ์ถ์ ์ผ์
๋๋ค. ์ฌ์ ๊ทธ๋์ง ๊ณต๊ฐ๋ ๋ ํ์ํ๊ณ ์. ๊ตฌ์กฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ์์ ํ๊ณ ์๋ ๊ฒ๋ค์ด ๋ช ๊ฐ์ง ์์ต๋๋ค. ํด๋ณ์ ๋ฐ์๊ฐ ๋ง์ ๊ตฌ๊ฐ์ด ์๋๋ฐ ์๊ฐ์ด ์ง๋๋ฉด์ ๋ ๋ฐ์ํฌ์ฑ์ด๋ก ๋ง๋ค๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ค๋ง ์์ฐ ํ๊ฒฝ์ ํ๋ฆ์ด ์ข ๋ ์ฅ๊ธฐ๊ฐ์ ๊ฑธ์ณ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์์ฉํ๋์ง ์ง์ผ๋ณธ ํ์ ๊ทธ๋ฐ ๊ฒฐ์ ๋ค์ ๋ด๋ ค์ผ ํฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ๊ณณ๊ณณ์์ ๊ฐ์ ์์ ๋ค์ ์งํํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. F&B ์ ํ ๊ตฌ์ฑ์ด๋ ์ ๊ณตํ๋ ํ๋ชฉ์ ์ข ๋ฅ, ์ ๊ณต ์ฅ์ ๋ฑ ๋ชจ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ๊ฒํ ๋์์ ๋๋ค. ์ ์ธ๊ณ ์นด๋๋ฐ ์ฝํผ๋ ์ด์ ํ์ด ์ด ํ๋ก์ ํธ์ ์ฐธ์ฌํด ์ฃผ๊ณ ์๋๋ฐ, ์ ๋ง ์ ์ ์ ๋ด์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ์๋ฉด, ๊ฐ์ฅ๋ถํฐ ๊ฑฐ์ ํ ๊ฐ๋๊น์ง ์ด๋ ๊ฒ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ธ ๊ฒ์ ์ ๋ง ๋๋ผ์ด ์ผ์ ๋๋ค. ์งํํ๋ฉด์ ์ป๋ ๊ตํ๋ค์ ๊ณ์ ๋ฐ์ํด ๋๊ฐ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์๋ก์ด ์ ๋ฐ์ด๋ ์๋ก์ด ๊ธฐ๋ฅ์ ๋์ ํ ๋์ ๋ค๋ฅด์ง ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ ๋ชฉ์๋ฆฌ์ ๊ท ๊ธฐ์ธ์ด๊ณ , ํผ๋๋ฐฑ์ ๋ฐ์์ ๊ฐ์ ํด ๋๊ฐ๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ๋ก์ดํฐ ์ํฅ์ ๊ดํด์๋... |
| David Bernstein: CFO & Chief Accounting Officer Yes. The loyalty, it is the second half, after the implementation of the program in June 2026. | **David Bernstein:** ๋ค, ๋ก์ดํฐ๋ 2026๋ 6์ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ ์ํ ์ดํ ํ๋ฐ๊ธฐ๋ถํฐ ๋ฐ์ํ ์์ ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Next question is coming from Chris Stathoulopoulos from Susquehanna International. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ์์ค์ผํ๋ ์ธํฐ๋ด์ ๋์ ํฌ๋ฆฌ์ค ์คํํด๋กํ๋ก์ค๋๊ป์ ์ฃผ์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Christopher Stathoulopoulos: Susquehanna Financial Group, LLLP, Research Division So I'm going to keep it to one question. Really more of a strategic view, Josh, I know you're not talking about '26, but this is more of a high level as we think about the industry and really about Carnival's ability to, I would say, protect pricing power, brand equity in the Caribbean. So you have a competitor who's going to be adding on a lot of new hardware and pivoting to fun and sun itineraries as well as another who recently announced a new class of ships beyond their icons. So as we think about the Caribbean market and maybe you want to kind of contextualize this in terms of the mix of premium, so balcony and suites and the like. I'm guessing this is going to be growing year-on-year low single digits for next year, perhaps at the same level through end of decade. What is the plan for Carnival to protect its ability to push yields to maintain its share? I realize you have two private destinations coming online, so maybe you could contextualize that in terms of a premium for that itinerary versus non. But I want to understand how you're thinking about the Caribbean, particularly as the market looks to evolve and capacity, perhaps grow at a rate that we haven't seen for some time. | **Christopher Stathoulopoulos:** ํ ๊ฐ์ง ์ง๋ฌธ๋ง ๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๋ต์ ๊ด์ ์์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, Josh, 2026๋ ์ ๋ํด์๋ ๋ง์ํ์ง ์์ผ์ ๋ค๋ ๊ฑธ ์์ง๋ง, ์ด๋ ์ ๊ณ ์ ๋ฐ๊ณผ ์นด๋๋ฐ์ด ์นด๋ฆฌ๋ธํด์์ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ๊ฒฐ์ ๋ ฅ๊ณผ ๋ธ๋๋ ์์ฐ์ ๋ณดํธํ ์ ์๋ ๋ฅ๋ ฅ์ ๋ํ ๋์ ์ฐจ์์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ฒฝ์์ฌ ์ค ํ ๊ณณ์ ๋ง์ ์ ๊ท ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ถ๊ฐํ๋ฉฐ ํ ์ค ์ (fun and sun) ํญ๋ก๋ก ์ ํํ๊ณ ์๊ณ , ๋ ๋ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒฝ์์ฌ๋ ์ต๊ทผ ์์ด์ฝ๊ธ์ ๋์ด์๋ ์๋ก์ด ์ ๋ฐ ํด๋์ค๋ฅผ ๋ฐํํ์ต๋๋ค. ์นด๋ฆฌ๋ธํด ์์ฅ์ ์๊ฐํด๋ณผ ๋, ๋ฐ์ฝ๋์ ์ค์ํธ ๋ฑ ํ๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์ ๋ฏน์ค ๊ด์ ์์ ์ด๋ฅผ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์ค๋ช ํด์ฃผ์ค ์ ์์๊น์? ๋ด๋ ์๋ ์ ๋ ๋๋น ํ ์๋ฆฟ์ ์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ณด์ผ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋๋ฉฐ, ์๋ง๋ 2030๋ ๊น์ง ๋น์ทํ ์์ค์ ์ ์งํ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ์นด๋๋ฐ์ด ์์ต๋ฅ (yield)์ ๋์ด๊ณ ์์ฅ ์ ์ ์จ์ ์ ์งํ ์ ์๋ ๋ฅ๋ ฅ์ ๋ณดํธํ๊ธฐ ์ํ ๊ณํ์ ๋ฌด์์ธ๊ฐ์? ๋ ๊ฐ์ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฐ์คํฐ๋ค์ด์ ์ด ์๋ก ์ด์๋ ์์ ์ธ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์๊ณ ์๋๋ฐ, ํด๋น ์ผ์ ๊ณผ ๊ทธ๋ ์ง ์์ ์ผ์ ๊ฐ์ ํ๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ์ค๋ช ํด ์ฃผ์ค ์ ์์๊น์? ํนํ ์์ฅ์ด ์งํํ๊ณ ์๊ณ ํ๋์ ๋ณด์ง ๋ชปํ๋ ์์ค์ผ๋ก ๊ณต๊ธ ์ฉ๋์ด ์ฆ๊ฐํ ๊ฐ๋ฅ์ฑ์ด ์๋ ์ํฉ์์, ์นด๋ฆฌ๋ธํด ์์ฅ์ ๋ํด ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์๊ฐํ๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ง ์ดํดํ๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. |
| CEO & Director: Yes. No, thanks for the question. I wish we could say we haven't seen this growth for a long time, but that's just not the case. I mean the fact is the Caribbean market has for 20 years, been growing at rates that people did not think was sustainable. And lo and behold, it is. And we do grow less. We are growing less than some of our competitors. But at the end of the day, I think the first thing we got to contextualize is that we are all competing for land alternative vacations and guests that would otherwise be going somewhere else, be that whether that's Orlando, whether that's a beach resort, whether that's going across to Europe, whatever that might be, that's what we're competing against. And in that context, we are all tiny. I mean we are just incredibly insignificant in the grand scheme of the vacation market, which actually is a plus because the better we've gotten at reaching into the mainstream, more consideration being given by those who do not cruise, the better off we are. Now keep in mind, it doesn't mean we're standing still. So Carnival has got two XL sisters coming in -- one in '27 and one in '28. So we're building for -- we're building for Carnival. We also have announced our own new class, the Ace class, which is going to carry more guests than anything that exists in the world today. And that's also for Carnival and helping to protect its position in general, but it has been the mainstay in the Caribbean forever. So this is just nothing new in the grand scheme of things. We just got to keep doing what we're doing, investing in the things that we think make a difference, leaning into the destination strategy, certainly Celebration Key, RelaxAway, Half Moon, those things are going to help. And we're always looking at different opportunities like that. And the other thing is, ultimately, what we see is with a lot of our competitors, they view the Caribbean differently. They view it as something that is more transient in nature than we do. Caribbean for Carnival, that is who they are, that is what they do, and they're amazing at it. I'm not taking anything away from our competitors, some of them have made a great goal of it and they're doing similar things, but they also look at the Caribbean as something like good enough until something better comes along. And we position ourselves very well being there for the long term. So thank you for the question. We have time for one more, operator. | **CEO & Director:** ๋ค, ์ง๋ฌธ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฐ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ์ค๋ซ๋์ ๋ณด์ง ๋ชปํ๋ค๊ณ ๋งํ ์ ์์ผ๋ฉด ์ข๊ฒ ์ง๋ง, ์ฌ์ค์ ๊ทธ๋ ์ง ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ค์ ๋ก ์นด๋ฆฌ๋ธํด ์์ฅ์ 20๋
๋์ ์ฌ๋๋ค์ด ์ง์ ๊ฐ๋ฅํ์ง ์๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํ๋ ์๋๋ก ์ฑ์ฅํด์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฐ๋ฐ ๋๋๊ฒ๋ ์ค์ ๋ก ์ง์๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ์ฑ์ฅ๋ฅ ์ด ๋ฎ์ต๋๋ค. ์ผ๋ถ ๊ฒฝ์์ฌ๋ค๋ณด๋ค๋ ๋ฎ์ ์ฑ์ฅ๋ฅ ์ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ๊ฐ์ฅ ๋จผ์ ๊ณ ๋ คํด์ผ ํ ๋งฅ๋ฝ์, ์ ํฌ ๋ชจ๋๊ฐ ์ก์ ๋์ฒด ํด๊ฐ์ ๋ค๋ฅธ ๊ณณ์ผ๋ก ๊ฐ ์๋ ์๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ ๋๊ณ ๊ฒฝ์ํ๊ณ ์๋ค๋ ์ ์ ๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋๋๋ , ํด๋ณ ๋ฆฌ์กฐํธ๋ , ์ ๋ฝ ์ฌํ์ด๋ , ๋ฌด์์ด๋ ๋ง์ด์ฃ . ๋ฐ๋ก ๊ทธ๋ฐ ๊ฒ๋ค๊ณผ ๊ฒฝ์ํ๊ณ ์๋ ๊ฒ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฐ ๋งฅ๋ฝ์์ ๋ณด๋ฉด ์ ํฌ๋ ๋ชจ๋ ์์ ์กด์ฌ์ ๋๋ค. ํด๊ฐ ์์ฅ ์ ์ฒด์์ ๋ณด๋ฉด ์ ํฌ๋ ์ ๋ง ๋ฏธ๋ฏธํ ์กด์ฌ์ ๋๋ค. ์ฌ์ค ์ด๊ฒ์ด ์คํ๋ ค ์ฅ์ ์ด์ฃ . ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ฃผ๋ฅ ์์ฅ์ ๋ ์ ๋ค๊ฐ๊ฐ์๋ก, ํฌ๋ฃจ์ฆ๋ฅผ ์ด์ฉํ์ง ์๋ ๋ถ๋ค์ด ๋ ๋ง์ด ๊ณ ๋ คํ๊ฒ ๋ ์๋ก ์ ํฌ์๊ฒ๋ ๋ ์ ๋ฆฌํ๊ฑฐ๋ ์. ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ๊ฐ๋งํ ์๋ค๋ ๋ป์ ์๋๋๋ค. ์นด๋๋ฐ์ XL๊ธ ์๋งค์ ๋ ์ฒ์ ๋์ ํ ์์ ์ ๋๋ค. ํ ์ฒ์ 27๋ ์, ๋ ํ ์ฒ์ 28๋ ์ ๋ง์ด์ฃ . ์นด๋๋ฐ์ ์ํด ๊ฑด์กฐํ๊ณ ์๋ ๊ฒ๋๋ค. ๋ํ ์ ํฌ๋ ์๋ก์ด ์์ด์ค(Ace) ํด๋์ค๋ฅผ ๋ฐํํ๋๋ฐ, ์ด๋ ํ์ฌ ์ธ๊ณ์ ์กด์ฌํ๋ ์ด๋ค ์ ๋ฐ๋ณด๋ค๋ ๋ ๋ง์ ์น๊ฐ์ ์์ฉํ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ ์ญ์ ์นด๋๋ฐ์ ์ํ ๊ฒ์ด๊ณ ์นด๋๋ฐ์ ์ ์ง๋ฅผ ๋ณดํธํ๋ ๋ฐ ๋์์ด ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์นด๋๋ฐ์ ์นด๋ฆฌ๋ธํด์์ ์ค๋ซ๋์ ์ฃผ๋ ฅ ๋ธ๋๋์๊ฑฐ๋ ์. ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์ด๋ฐ ๊ฒ๋ค์ ์ ์ฒด์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด๋ฉด ์๋ก์ด ์ผ์ด ์๋๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ง๊ธ ํ๊ณ ์๋ ์ผ์ ๊ณ์ํด์ผ ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฐจ๋ณํ๋ฅผ ๋ง๋ ๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํ๋ ๋ถ์ผ์ ํฌ์ํ๊ณ , ๋ชฉ์ ์ง ์ ๋ต์ ์ง์คํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด์ฃ . ํนํ ์ ๋ ๋ธ๋ ์ด์ ํค(Celebration Key), ๋ฆด๋์ค์ด์จ์ด(RelaxAway), ํํ๋ฌธ(Half Moon) ๊ฐ์ ๊ฒ๋ค์ด ๋์์ด ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ํญ์ ๊ทธ๋ฐ ๋ค์ํ ๊ธฐํ๋ค์ ์ฐพ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์ ์, ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๋ณด๊ธฐ์ ๋ง์ ๊ฒฝ์์ฌ๋ค์ด ์นด๋ฆฌ๋ธํด๋ฅผ ๋ค๋ฅด๊ฒ ๋ฐ๋ผ๋ณธ๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ค์ ์นด๋ฆฌ๋ธํด๋ฅผ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ณด๋ค ๋ ์ผ์์ ์ธ ์ฑ๊ฒฉ์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ด ๋๋ค. ์นด๋๋ฐ์๊ฒ ์นด๋ฆฌ๋ธํด๋ ๊ทธ๋ค์ ์ ์ฒด์ฑ์ด๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋ค์ด ํ๋ ์ผ์ด๋ฉฐ, ๊ทธ๋ค์ ๊ทธ ๋ถ์ผ์์ ๋ฐ์ด๋ฉ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฒฝ์์ฌ๋ค์ ํํํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ์๋๋๋ค. ์ผ๋ถ๋ ํ๋ฅญํ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ฑฐ๋์๊ณ ๋น์ทํ ์ผ๋ค์ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ๊ทธ๋ค์ ์นด๋ฆฌ๋ธํด๋ฅผ ๋ ์ข์ ๊ฒ์ด ๋์ฌ ๋๊น์ง์ ์์๋ฐฉํธ ์ ๋๋ก ๋ณด๋ ๊ฒฝํฅ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ ํฌ๋ ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ ์ธ ๊ด์ ์์ ๋งค์ฐ ์ข์ ํฌ์ง์ ์ ํ๋ณดํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ง๋ฌธํด ์ฃผ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ํ ๊ฐ์ง ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋ ๋ฐ์ ์๊ฐ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Our final question today is coming from Vince Ciepiel from Cleveland Research. | **Operator:** ์ค๋ ๋ง์ง๋ง ์ง๋ฌธ์ Cleveland Research์ Vince Ciepiel๋๊ป์ ์ฃผ์ จ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Vince Ciepiel: Cleveland Research Company LLC Just wanted to think a little bit longer term about the opportunity. I know in the multiyear goal, you guys are targeting low- to mid-single-digit type per diem growth. But when we look at occupancy here, it's still, I think, about 1 point shy of where 2019 shook out. And I imagine something like 20% of the fleet might be newer. And we think it's over-indexing the balconies and maybe have higher occupancy levels in terms of opportunities. So how are you thinking about kind of the multiyear opportunity ahead in the occupancy side of the yield equation? | **Vince Ciepiel:** ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ ์ธ ๊ธฐํ์ ๋ํด ์ข ๋ ์๊ฐํด๋ณด๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ค๋ ๊ฐ ๋ชฉํ์์ ์ผ์ผ ์๊ธ(per diem) ์ฑ์ฅ๋ฅ ์ ์ -์ค๊ฐ ํ ์๋ฆฟ์๋ก ๋ชฉํํ๊ณ ๊ณ์ ๋ค๋ ๊ฑธ ์๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ํ์ฌ ํ์น๋ฅ ์ ๋ณด๋ฉด 2019๋ ์์ค๋ณด๋ค ์ฌ์ ํ ์ฝ 1ํฌ์ธํธ ์ ๋ ๋ถ์กฑํ ์ํฉ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ ๋จ์ ์ฝ 20% ์ ๋๊ฐ ์ ๊ท ์ ๋ฐ์ผ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด์ด๋๋ฐ, ๋ฐ์ฝ๋ ๊ฐ์ค ๋น์ค์ด ๋์์ ํ์น๋ฅ ๊ธฐํ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ๋ ๋์ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ผ ์ ์์ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ ๋ค๋ฉด ์์ต๋ฅ ๊ณต์์์ ํ์น๋ฅ ๋ถ๋ถ์ ๋ค๋ ๊ฐ ๊ธฐํ๋ฅผ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๋ณด๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ง์? |
| CEO & Director: Yes. Look, there's nothing -- I mean, truly -- when I say, there's nothing magic about the occupancy number that we hit exactly this year versus 2019, we're encouraging our brands to optimize between the price that they can achieve and the occupancy. We know we can get occupancy. It's really easy to sail completely full, it's just a matter of how much you can charge to do it. And we want to make sure our brands are focused on the total revenue and not just occupancy to hit it. There is opportunity, there is opportunity for our brands to improve on the occupancy position that we found ourselves at the end of the third quarter, which isn't far off from 2019, which was a high watermark, and is above the historical range. But in the grand scheme of things, there'll be incremental things that we do brand by brand to make the trade-off between that price and occupancy and getting more folks on at the right price. Thank you very much. With that, I'll say thank you very much. Look forward to talking in December when we can probably talk a little bit more about 2026. So thanks, everybody. Have a good day. | **CEO & Director:** ๋ค, ๋ง์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ์ค ์ฌํด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๋ฌ์ฑํ ๊ฐ์ค ์ ์ ์จ ์์น ์์ฒด์๋ ํน๋ณํ ์๋ฏธ๊ฐ ์๋ ๊ฒ์ ์๋๋๋ค. 2019๋
๊ณผ ์ ํํ ์ผ์นํ๋ค๊ณ ํด์ ๋ง๋ฒ ๊ฐ์ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์ด๋ ๊ฒ์ ์๋์ฃ . ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๋ธ๋๋๋ค์ด ๋ฌ์ฑํ ์ ์๋ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ๊ณผ ์ ์ ์จ ์ฌ์ด์์ ์ต์ ํ๋ฅผ ์ถ๊ตฌํ๋๋ก ๋
๋ คํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ์ ์จ์ ๋์ด๋ ๊ฒ์ ์ด๋ ต์ง ์์ต๋๋ค. ์์ ํ ๋ง์ค๋ก ์ด์ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ์ ๋ง ์ฌ์ด ์ผ์ด์์. ๋ฌธ์ ๋ ๊ทธ๋ ๊ฒ ํ๋ฉด์ ์ผ๋ง๋ ๋ง์ ์๊ธ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ ์๋๋ ํ๋ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๋ธ๋๋๋ค์ด ๋จ์ํ ์ ์ ์จ ๋ฌ์ฑ์๋ง ์ง์คํ์ง ๋ง๊ณ ์ด ๋งค์ถ์ ์ด์ ์ ๋ง์ถ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ํฉ๋๋ค. 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋ง ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๋ฌ์ฑํ ์ ์ ์จ ์์ค์์ ๋ ๊ฐ์ ํ ์ฌ์ง๊ฐ ๋ถ๋ช ํ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด ์์ค์ ์ต๊ณ ์น์๋ 2019๋ ๊ณผ ํฌ๊ฒ ๋ค๋ฅด์ง ์๊ณ , ์ญ์ฌ์ ๋ฒ์๋ฅผ ์ํํ๋ ์์ค์ด๊ธฐ๋ ํฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ ์ฒด์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด๋ฉด, ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ๊ณผ ์ ์ ์จ ๊ฐ์ ๊ท ํ์ ๋ง์ถ๊ณ ์ ์ ํ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ์ผ๋ก ๋ ๋ง์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ ํ๋ณดํ๊ธฐ ์ํด ๋ธ๋๋๋ณ๋ก ์ ์ง์ ์ธ ์กฐ์น๋ค์ ์ทจํด๋๊ฐ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ ๋ง ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ง๋ฌด๋ฆฌํ๋ฉฐ, ์ง์ฌ์ผ๋ก ๊ฐ์ฌ๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. 12์์ ๋ค์ ๋ง๋ ๋ต ๋๋ ์๋ง 2026๋ ์ ๋ํด์๋ ์ข ๋ ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ง์๋๋ฆด ์ ์์ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ชจ๋ ๋ถ๋ค๊ป ๊ฐ์ฌ๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉฐ, ์ข์ ํ๋ฃจ ๋์ธ์. |
| Operator: Thank you. That does conclude today's teleconference and webcast. You may disconnect your line at this time, and have a wonderful day. We thank you for your participation today. | **Operator:** ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์ค๋ ์ ํํ์์ ์น์บ์คํธ๋ฅผ ๋ง์น๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด์ ์ฐ๊ฒฐ์ ๋์ผ์ ๋ ๋๋ฉฐ, ์ข์ ํ๋ฃจ ๋์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค. ์ค๋ ์ฐธ์ฌํด ์ฃผ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. |
Here's a summary of the key points from the earnings call transcript in Korean:
โข ์์ฝ ๋ฐ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ๋ํฅ:
- ๋ถ๋ฏธ์ ์ ๋ฝ ๋ชจ๋ ์ญ๋ ์ต๊ณ ์์ค์ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ๋๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋ก ์ค
- 2026๋
์์ฝ์ ํ์ฌ 50% ์์ค์ผ๋ก, ์ฌ์ ์ต์ฅ ์์ฝ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ ๊ธฐ๋ก
- 2027๋
์์ฝ๋ ์ ๋ก ์๋ ๊ฐ์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์
โข ์ฌ๋ฌด ์ค์ :
- 13%์ ์๋ณธ์์ต๋ฅ ๋ฌ์ฑ
- ๋ถ์ฑ๋น์จ 3.5๋ฐฐ ๋ฌ์ฑ์ด ๊ฐ๊น์์ง๋ฉด์ ์ฃผ์ฃผํ์ ๊ฐ๋ฅ์ฑ ์ฆ๊ฐ
- ๋ฐฐ๋น๊ธ ์ฌ๊ฐ๊ฐ ์ฐ์ ์์์ด๋ ์์ฌ์ฃผ ๋งค์
๋ ๊ณ ๋ ค ์ค
โข ์ด์ ์ ๋ต:
- Celebration Key ๋ฑ ์ ๊ท ๋ชฉ์ ์ง๊ฐ ์์ต์ฑ์ ๊ธ์ ์ ๊ธฐ์ฌ
- AIDA Evolution ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ ๋ฑ ๊ธฐ์กด ์ ๋ฐ ๊ฐ์ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ ์ฑ๊ณต์
- ์ ๋ ์ฉ๋ ์ฆ๊ฐ ์ ํ์ผ๋ก ์์ต์ฑ ๊ฐ์ ์ ์ง์ค
โข ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ ์์ธ:
- 2026๋
๋ก์ดํฐ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ(-50bp), ๋ํฌ์๋ฆฌ(-100bp), ์ฌ ๊ฐ๋ฐ(-50bp) ๋ฑ์ผ๋ก ์ธํ ์ฝ 200bp์ ์์ต์ฑ ํ๋ฝ ์์
- ๊ฒฝ์ ์ฌํ์ ๋๋นํ ์ง์์ ์ธ ์๋น์ค/์ํ ๊ฐ์ ํ์
์ด ๋ด์ฉ์ ์ ๋ฌธ ํฌ์์๋ค์ ์ํด ์ฃผ์ ์ฌ๋ฌด์งํ, ๊ฒฝ์์ง์ ์ ๋ง, ์ ์ฌ์ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ์ ๊ธฐํ ์์ธ์ ์ค์ฌ์ผ๋ก ์ ๋ฆฌ๋์์ต๋๋ค.