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| TransMedics Group, Inc. (TMDX) Morgan Stanley 23rd Annual Global Healthcare Conference September 8, 2025 10:00 AM EDT Company Participants Waleed Hassanein - Founder, President, CEO & Director Gerardo Hernandez - CFO & Treasurer Conference Call Participants Patrick Wood - Morgan Stanley, Research Division Presentation Patrick Wood MD of Equity Research Hi, everybody. Welcome and thanks for joining. Welcome to the -- I guess, the first day of the Morgan Stanley Global Healthcare Conference. So very excitedly, for important disclosures, morganstanley.com/researchdisclosures. So yes, that's very exciting. | ์๋ ํ์ธ์, ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ. ํ์ํ๋ฉฐ ์ฐธ์ํด ์ฃผ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ชจ๊ฑด ์คํ ๋ฆฌ ๊ธ๋ก๋ฒ ํฌ์ค์ผ์ด ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค์ ์ฒซ๋ ์ ์ค์ ๊ฒ์ ํ์ํฉ๋๋ค. ๋งค์ฐ ๊ธฐ์๊ฒ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ์ค์ํ ๊ณต์์ฌํญ์ morganstanley.com/researchdisclosures์์ ํ์ธํ์ค ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ค, ๋งค์ฐ ํฅ๋ฏธ์ง์งํฉ๋๋ค. |
| And very excited today to have TransMedics, we've got Waleed, who's the Founder and CEO; and Gerardo, who's the CFO here. And so I really appreciate the time. Thanks for coming guys. Waleed Hassanein Founder, President, CEO & Director Thank you, Patrick. Gerardo Hernandez CFO & Treasurer Thank you. Patrick Wood MD of Equity Research We were just saying how thematically appropriate having Staying Alive on the soundtrack was for an organ transplant company. So it kind of works well. | ์๋
ํ์ธ์. ์ค๋ TransMedics์ ํจ๊ปํ๊ฒ ๋์ด ๋งค์ฐ ๊ธฐ์ฉ๋๋ค. ์ฐฝ๋ฆฝ์์ด์ CEO์ด์ Waleed ๋๊ณผ CFO์ด์ Gerardo ๋์ด ํจ๊ป ์๋ฆฌํด ์ฃผ์
จ์ต๋๋ค. ์๊ฐ ๋ด์ฃผ์
์ ์ ๋ง ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. Waleed Hassanein ์ฐฝ๋ฆฝ์, ์ฌ์ฅ, CEO ๊ฒธ ์ด์ฌ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค, Patrick. Gerardo Hernandez CFO ๊ฒธ ์ฌ๋ฌด๋ด๋น ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. Patrick Wood ์ฃผ์ ๋ฆฌ์์น ์ ๋ฌด์ด์ฌ ๋ฐฉ๊ธ ์ ์ ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ด์ ํ์ฌ์ 'Staying Alive'๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ๊ฒฝ์์ ์ผ๋ก ์ฌ์ฉํ ๊ฒ์ด ์ผ๋ง๋ ์ฃผ์ ์ ์ ์ ํ์ง ์ด์ผ๊ธฐํ๊ณ ์์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๋ง ์ ์ด์ธ๋ฆฌ๋ค์. |
# TransMedics (TMDX) 2025๋
๋ชจ๊ฑด์คํ ๋ฆฌ ํฌ์ค์ผ์ด ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค ์์ฝ
โข **์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค ๊ฐ์**: 2025๋
9์ 8์ผ ๊ฐ์ต๋ ๋ชจ๊ฑด์คํ ๋ฆฌ ์ 23ํ ๊ธ๋ก๋ฒ ํฌ์ค์ผ์ด ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค์์ TransMedics Group์ด ๋ฐํ. ์ฐฝ๋ฆฝ์ ๊ฒธ CEO Waleed Hassanein๊ณผ CFO Gerardo Hernandez๊ฐ ์ฐธ์.
โข **์ฌ๋ฌด์งํ ๋ฐ ์ค์ **: ๋ณธ ๋ฐ์ท๋ฌธ์๋ ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ์ฌ๋ฌด์งํ, ๋งค์ถ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค, ๋๋ ์ค์ ์์น๊ฐ ํฌํจ๋์ง ์์. ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค ๋์
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โข **๊ฒฝ์์ง ํค**: ๊ฒฝ์์ง์ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค ์ฐธ์์ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ด๊ณ ํ์กฐ์ ์ธ ํ๋๋ฅผ ๋ณด์์ผ๋, ์ค์ง์ ์ธ ์ฌ์
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โข **๋ฆฌ์คํฌ ๋ฐ ๊ฐ์ **: ์ ๊ณต๋ transcript ๋ถ๋ถ์์๋ ํ์ฌ์ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ ์์ธ์ด๋ ๊ฒฝ์ ์ฐ์์ ๋ํ ์ธ๊ธ์ด ์์. ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ด์ ๋ถ์ผ ์ ๋ฌธ๊ธฐ์
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โข **ํฌ์์ ์ ์์ฌํญ**: ๋ณธ ์์ฝ์ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค ๋์
๋ถ๋ง์ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ์ผ๋ก ์์ฑ๋์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ค์ง์ ์ธ ์ฌ๋ฌด ๋ถ์์ด๋ ์ ๋ต์ ์ธ์ฌ์ดํธ๋ฅผ ๋์ถํ๊ธฐ์๋ ์ ๋ณด๊ฐ ๋งค์ฐ ์ ํ์ ์. ์ ์ฒด transcript ํ์ธ ํ์.
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| Patrick Wood: Morgan Stanley, Research Division I guess -- so maybe starting kind of big picture. It's been a strong year. There's a lot on the pipeline. Sitting here today and you had that original target of 10,000 organs. And how are you feeling about 1,000-foot view, the world and where the business is today, just big picture? | **Patrick Wood:** ์ฌํด๋ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ํ ํด์๊ณ , ํ์ดํ๋ผ์ธ์๋ ๋ง์ ๊ฒ๋ค์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ค๋ ์ด ์์ ์์, ์๋ ๋ชฉํ์๋ 10,000๊ฐ ์ฅ๊ธฐ ๋ชฉํ๋ฅผ ์๊ฐํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ํ์ฌ ์ฌ์ ์ ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ธ ์ํฉ๊ณผ ํฐ ๊ทธ๋ฆผ์์ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๋ณด๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ง ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๊น? |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director We feel great. We -- as Gerardo said, a few weeks back, we are already past the 10,000 target internally. We're already setting our eyes at 20,000, 30,000 transplants by 2030. Yes, we feel great, and we're looking forward to just continuing to execute. | **Waleed Hassanein:** ๊ธฐ๋ถ์ด ์ ๋ง ์ข์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๋ผ๋ฅด๋๊ฐ ๋ช ์ฃผ ์ ์ ๋ง์๋๋ ธ๋ฏ์ด, ์ ํฌ๋ ์ด๋ฏธ ๋ด๋ถ์ ์ผ๋ก 1๋ง ๊ฑด ๋ชฉํ๋ฅผ ๋์ด์ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด์ ์ ํฌ๋ 2030๋ ๊น์ง 2๋ง ๊ฑด, 3๋ง ๊ฑด์ ์ด์ ์์ ์ ๋ชฉํ๋ก ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ค, ์ ๋ง ๊ธฐ๋ถ์ด ์ข๊ณ , ์์ผ๋ก๋ ๊ณ์ํด์ ์คํํด ๋๊ฐ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Patrick Wood: Morgan Stanley, Research Division If you think of the journey that you guys have been on getting to where you are now, is anything that sort of surprised you? I mean, relative strength of liver versus heart or how the aviation network integration is going versus how you originally envisaged the business? Does it look today like you thought it would? | **Patrick Wood:** ์ง๊ธ๊น์ง ๊ฑธ์ด์จ ์ฌ์ ์ ๋์ด์ผ๋ณด๋ฉด ์์๊ณผ ๋ฌ๋๋ ๋ถ๋ถ์ด ์์ผ์ ๊ฐ์? ์๋ฅผ ๋ค์ด ๊ฐ ์ด์ ๋๋น ์ฌ์ฅ ์ด์์ ์๋์ ๊ฐ์ธ๋ผ๋ ์ง, ํญ๊ณต ๋คํธ์ํฌ ํตํฉ์ด ๋น์ด ๊ตฌ์ํ๋ ๊ฒ๊ณผ ๋น๊ตํด์ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์งํ๋๊ณ ์๋์ง์? ํ์ฌ ์ฌ์ ์ด ์ฒ์ ์๊ฐํ๋ ๋ชจ์ต๊ณผ ๊ฐ์๊ฐ์? |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director It's a very interesting question. From where we are as a leader in the market, from a market share, from an impact on organ transplant, it could not be more exactly the same as we envisioned. However, the path to get there, we accelerated the NOP 5 years compared to what we originally planned. The vertical integration of aviation and logistics, again, we accelerated that quite a bit. So from an impact, it's exactly what we envisioned. How we got there? We got there a lot quicker with NOP and the vertical integration than with -- than we originally planned. | **Waleed Hassanein:** ๋งค์ฐ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋ก์ด ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ์์ฅ ์ ์ ์จ ์ธก๋ฉด์์, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฅ๊ธฐ ์ด์์ ๋ฏธ์น๋ ์ํฅ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์์ฅ ๋ฆฌ๋๋ก์ ํ์ฌ ์์นํ ์ง์ ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ฒ์ ๊ตฌ์ํ๋ ๊ฒ๊ณผ ์ ํํ ์ผ์นํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ค๋ง, ๊ทธ ๋ชฉํ์ ๋๋ฌํ๋ ๊ณผ์ ์ ๋ฌ๋์ต๋๋ค. NOP์ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ ๋น์ด ๊ณํ๋ณด๋ค 5๋ ์ ์๋น๊ฒผ์ต๋๋ค. ํญ๊ณต ๋ฐ ๋ฌผ๋ฅ์ ์์ง ๊ณ์ดํ๋ ๋ง์ฐฌ๊ฐ์ง๋ก ์๋นํ ๊ฐ์ํํ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๋ฏธ์น๋ ์ํฅ๋ ฅ์ ์ฒ์ ๊ตฌ์ํ๋ ๊ทธ๋๋ก์ ๋๋ค. ๋ค๋ง ๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ ์์ NOP์ ์์ง ๊ณ์ดํ๋ฅผ ํตํด ๋น์ด ๊ณํ๋ณด๋ค ํจ์ฌ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒ ๋ชฉํ์ ๋๋ฌํ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Patrick Wood: Morgan Stanley, Research Division Yes. Makes sense. Q3 always has some seasonality associated with it, that's just always how it is. And I'll ask a sort of slightly new question. But as you know, people sometimes track the flights, and that's a dangerous thing to do, but there's an argument out there that, that's been fairly soft. On the other hand, it hasn't escaped people's notice that you made a fairly sizeable investment in TransMedics stock yourself very recently. How should we think about Q3 seasonality in the context of those things? | **Patrick Wood:** ๋ค, ์ดํด๋ฉ๋๋ค. 3๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ ํญ์ ๊ณ์ ์ ์์ธ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋ ๊ทธ๋์๋ ๋ถ๋ถ์ด์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์กฐ๊ธ ์๋ก์ด ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์์๋ค์ํผ ์ฌ๋๋ค์ด ๋๋๋ก ํญ๊ณตํธ์ ์ถ์ ํ๋๋ฐ, ์ด๊ฑด ์ํํ ์ผ์ด๊ธด ํ์ง๋ง, ๊ทธ๊ฒ ์๋นํ ๋ถ์งํ๋ค๋ ์ฃผ์ฅ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ฉด์, ์ต๊ทผ ๊ทํ๊ป์ TransMedics ์ฃผ์์ ์๋นํ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ํฌ์๋ฅผ ํ์ ๊ฒ๋ ์ฌ๋๋ค์ด ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ์ํฉ๋ค์ ๊ณ ๋ คํ ๋ 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ๊ณ์ ์ฑ์ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๋ด์ผ ํ ๊น์? |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director That's an excellent question. We've always said Q3 is transiently choppy, underscore the word transiently. We're not concerned about it. Obviously, the data is clear. Yes, we're -- quarter-to-quarter, it appears that national transplant volume is down. But when you look at the first half of the year this year versus the first half of the year last year, we're actually doing great nationally. So as we stated publicly, we expect seasonality in Q3. We expect that TransMedics will be impacted by that. But we think this is a transient impact and that we will finish the year strong and we're still focusing on executing the plan and the guidance as we outlined it at least as of today. We'll see where the quarter ends, there's still several weeks to execute. | **Waleed Hassanein:** ์ ๋ง ์ข์ ์ง๋ฌธ์
๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ํญ์ 3๋ถ๊ธฐ๊ฐ ์ผ์์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ณ๋์ฑ์ด ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ง์๋๋ ธ๊ณ , '์ผ์์ '์ด๋ผ๋ ๋จ์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์กฐํ๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ์ด์ ๋ํด ์ฐ๋ คํ์ง ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ช
๋ฐฑํ ๋ฐ์ดํฐ๋ ๋ถ๋ช
ํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ค, ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ณ๋ก ๋ณด๋ฉด ์ ๊ตญ ์ด์ ๊ฑด์๊ฐ ๊ฐ์ํ ๊ฒ์ฒ๋ผ ๋ณด์
๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ฌํด ์๋ฐ๊ธฐ์ ์๋
์๋ฐ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋น๊ตํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ค์ ๋ก ์ ๊ตญ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋งค์ฐ ์ข์ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ๊ณต๊ฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฐ์ด, ์ ํฌ๋ 3๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๊ณ์ ์ ์์ธ์ ์์ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. TransMedics๋ ๊ทธ ์ํฅ์ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ด๋ ์ผ์์ ์ธ ์ํฅ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ์๊ฐํ๋ฉฐ, ์ฐ๋ง์๋ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ๊ฒ ๋ง๋ฌด๋ฆฌํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ์ฌ์ ํ ์ต์ํ ํ์ฌ ์์ ์์ ์ ์ํ ๊ณํ๊ณผ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค ์คํ์ ์ง์คํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ถ๊ธฐ๊ฐ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๋๋ ์ง๋ ์ง์ผ๋ด์ผ๊ฒ ์ง๋ง, ์์ง ์คํํ ์ ์๋ ๋ช ์ฃผ๊ฐ ๋จ์์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Patrick Wood: Morgan Stanley, Research Division Even transplant docs need a vacation at some stage, right? | **Patrick Wood:** ์ด์ ์ ๋ฌธ์๋ค๋ ์ธ์ ๊ฐ๋ ํด๊ฐ๊ฐ ํ์ํ์ง ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๊น? |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director Exactly. And as far as tracking the tails, it's an interesting way for someone who doesn't have much to do, but we are moving, as more and more people getting comfortable with how long organs could stay in OCS, we shifted ground transportation from 20% or lower to now approaching 40% of the total NOP missions. So yes, it's a secondary measure, but it doesn't tell the full story. Also, we still have 20% of the aviation requirement done by third party. So again, I'm not saying Q3 is not going to be impacted, I'm just saying that it is not the be all, end all, it's not the gold standard indication of how the business is doing. We still are a transplant company and that cases are the #1 priority for us, not necessarily the logistics piece of it. | **Waleed Hassanein:** ๋ง์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ํญ๊ณตํธ ์ถ์ ์ ๊ดํด์๋, ํ ์ผ์ด ๋ณ๋ก ์๋ ์ฌ๋์๊ฒ๋ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋ก์ด ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ์ผ ์ ์๊ฒ ์ง๋ง, ์ ์ ๋ ๋ง์ ์ฌ๋๋ค์ด ์ฅ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ OCS์ ์ผ๋ง๋ ์ค๋ ๋ณด๊ดํ ์ ์๋์ง์ ๋ํด ์ต์ํด์ง๋ฉด์, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ง์ ์ด์ก ๋น์ค์ ์ ์ฒด NOP ๋ฏธ์ ์ 20% ์ดํ์์ ํ์ฌ 40%์ ๊ฐ๊น๊ฒ ๋๋ ธ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ๋ค, ์ด๊ฒ์ ๋ถ์ฐจ์ ์ธ ์งํ์ด๊ธด ํ์ง๋ง, ์ ์ฒด ์ํฉ์ ๋งํด์ฃผ์ง๋ ๋ชปํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ํ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ฌ์ ํ ํญ๊ณต ์ด์ก ์๊ตฌ์ฌํญ์ 20%๋ฅผ ์ 3์๋ฅผ ํตํด ์ฒ๋ฆฌํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ค์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ์ง๋ง, 3๋ถ๊ธฐ๊ฐ ์ํฅ์ ๋ฐ์ง ์์ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๋ ๊ฒ ์๋๋ผ, ์ด๊ฒ์ด ์ ๋ถ๊ฐ ์๋๋ฉฐ, ์ฌ์ ์ด ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์งํ๋๊ณ ์๋์ง๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ฌ์ฃผ๋ ๊ฒฐ์ ์ ์ธ ์งํ๊ฐ ์๋๋ผ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ฌ์ ํ ์ด์ ํ์ฌ์ด๊ณ , ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ฅ ์ค์ํ ๊ฒ์ ์ผ์ด์ค ์์ด์ง, ๋ฌผ๋ฅ ๋ถ๋ถ์ด ์๋๋๋ค. |
| Patrick Wood: Morgan Stanley, Research Division Yes. How do you think about the -- it's obviously very different from organs in totality, but the existing, let's say, waitlist backlog? How do you want to -- can we get to a point where we make really meaningful progress pulling that back with DCD organs and DBD organs and just the whole infrastructure are getting a lot better. | **Patrick Wood:** ๋ค, ๋ช ํํ ์ ์ฒด ์ฅ๊ธฐ์๋ ๋งค์ฐ ๋ค๋ฅด์ง๋ง, ํ์ฌ ๋๊ธฐ์ ๋ช ๋จ์ ์ ์ฒด ์ํฉ์ ๋ํด์๋ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์๊ฐํ์๋์ง์? DCD ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ DBD ์ฅ๊ธฐ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ ์ฒด ์ธํ๋ผ๊ฐ ํฌ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ ๋๋ฉด์ ๋๊ธฐ์ ๋ช ๋จ์ ์ค์ง์ ์ผ๋ก ์๋ฏธ ์๊ฒ ์ค์ผ ์ ์๋ ์์ ์ ๋๋ฌํ ์ ์์๊น์? |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director Yes. Patrick, we're doing that today. We've been doing that for the last 2 years. We've seen many, many big institutions that wipe down their waitlist and they rebuild it again. As we've always said, it will happen. When we deliver more organs, the waitlist is a dynamic picture that gets replenished because the demand for organ transplant is not slowing down. It's growing. It's just the waitlist is -- you do not want to give false hope to patients in need. So that waitlist gets replenished as it gets depleted with additional organs. But we're still early in the journey of really flexing the capabilities of OCS to deliver more organ transplants in the U.S., and we're now beginning to expand outside of the U.S. to do the same thing. | **Waleed Hassanein:** ๋ค, Patrick. ์ ํฌ๋ ์ด๋ฏธ ๊ทธ๋ ๊ฒ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ง๋ 2๋
๊ฐ ๊ณ์ ์งํํด์๊ณ ์. ๋ง์ ๋ํ ์๋ฃ๊ธฐ๊ด๋ค์ด ๋๊ธฐ์ ๋ช
๋จ์ ์ ๋ฆฌํ๋ค๊ฐ ๋ค์ ์ฑ์ฐ๋ ๊ฒ์ ์ฌ๋ฌ ์ฐจ๋ก ๋ชฉ๊ฒฉํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ํญ์ ๋ง์๋๋ ธ๋ฏ์ด, ์ด๋ฐ ์ผ์ ์ผ์ด๋๊ฒ ๋์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ๋ ๋ง์ ์ฅ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ณต๊ธํ๋ฉด, ๋๊ธฐ์ ๋ช
๋จ์ ์ญ๋์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ค์ ์ฑ์์ง๋๋ค. ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ด์ ์์๊ฐ ์ค์ด๋ค์ง ์๊ณ ์คํ๋ ค ์ฆ๊ฐํ๊ณ ์๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์
๋๋ค. ๋๊ธฐ์ ๋ช
๋จ์ด๋ผ๋ ๊ฒ์ ํ์๋ค์๊ฒ ์๋ชป๋ ํฌ๋ง์ ์ฃผ์ด์๋ ์ ๋๋ ๊ฒ์ด์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋์ ์ถ๊ฐ ์ฅ๊ธฐ ๊ณต๊ธ์ผ๋ก ๋๊ธฐ์๊ฐ ์ค์ด๋ค๋ฉด, ๋ช
๋จ์ ๋ค์ ์ฑ์์ง๊ฒ ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ ํฌ๋ ์์ง ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๋ด์์ ๋ ๋ง์ ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ด์์ ์ ๊ณตํ๊ธฐ ์ํด OCS์ ์ญ๋์ ๋ณธ๊ฒฉ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ฐํํ๋ ์ฌ์ ์ ์ด๊ธฐ ๋จ๊ณ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ด์ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๋ฐ์ผ๋ก๋ ํ์ฅ์ ์์ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Patrick Wood: Morgan Stanley, Research Division To your point, how many of the missions end up being -- the NOP missions end up being sort of longer dated versus however you want to define it, shorter distance in that way proportionately? | **Patrick Wood:** ๋ชจ๊ฑด์คํ ๋ฆฌ ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ๋ง์ํ์ ๋ถ๋ถ๊ณผ ๊ด๋ จํด์, NOP ๋ฏธ์ ์ค์์ ์ฅ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๋ก ๋ถ๋ฅ๋๋ ๋น์จ์ด ์ผ๋ง๋ ๋๋์ง, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋จ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๋ก ์ ์ํ ์ ์๋ ๋ฏธ์ ์ ๋น์จ์ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๋๋์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director We -- I need to refresh my memory with the exact numbers. But we are -- we do both missions because it's not just about how far the donor is anymore. It's about how the OCS has transformed the timing of the surgical procedure. So we get called for missions that the donor is an hour away, and we get called for missions -- like this week, we got called for donors in Hawaii and Alaska for recipients in the East Coast. So I would say 50-50, the thing that is so transparent and so obvious that OCS now is transforming the timing of the surgical procedure from being a middle-of-the-night [ emergency ] procedure to a more semi scheduled procedure in the morning hours. And that's, again, it's early innings, and it's going to continue to grow, and we're hoping that we can bring that success that we are experiencing in liver for heart and lung as well with our next-generation clinical programs. | **Waleed Hassanein:** ์ ํํ ์์น๋ ๋ค์ ํ์ธํด๋ด์ผ ํ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค๋ง, ์ ํฌ๋ ๋ ๊ฐ์ง ์ ํ์ ์ด์ก์ ๋ชจ๋ ์ํํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด์ ๋ ๋จ์ํ ๊ธฐ์ฆ์๊ฐ ์ผ๋ง๋ ๋ฉ๋ฆฌ ์๋๋์ ๋ฌธ์ ๊ฐ ์๋๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์
๋๋ค. OCS๊ฐ ์์ ์ ์ฐจ์ ํ์ด๋ฐ์ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๋ณํ์์ผฐ๋์ง๊ฐ ํต์ฌ์
๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ๊ธฐ์ฆ์๊ฐ ํ ์๊ฐ ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์๋ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ์๋ ์์ฒญ์ ๋ฐ๊ณ ์๊ณ , ์ด๋ฒ ์ฃผ์๋ ํ์์ด์ ์๋์ค์นด์ ๊ธฐ์ฆ์๋ฅผ ๋๋ถ ํด์์ ์ํ์์๊ฒ ์ด์กํ๋ ์์ฒญ๋ ๋ฐ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋น์จ๋ก ๋ณด๋ฉด 50๋ 50 ์ ๋๋ผ๊ณ ๋ง์๋๋ฆด ์ ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ง๊ธ ๋งค์ฐ ๋ช ํํ๊ณ ํ์คํ๊ฒ ๋๋ฌ๋๋ ๊ฒ์, OCS๊ฐ ์์ ์ ์ฐจ์ ํ์ด๋ฐ์ ํ๋ฐค์ค ์๊ธ ์์ ์์ ์ค์ ์๊ฐ๋์ ์ค์์ ์์ ๋ก ์ ํ์ํค๊ณ ์๋ค๋ ์ ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ค์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ์ง๋ง, ์ด์ ์์ ๋จ๊ณ์ด๋ฉฐ ์์ผ๋ก๋ ๊ณ์ ์ฑ์ฅํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ฐ ์งํ์์ ๊ฒฝํํ๊ณ ์๋ ์ด๋ฌํ ์ฑ๊ณต์ ์ฐจ์ธ๋ ์์ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ํตํด ์ฌ์ฅ๊ณผ ํ ์งํ ๋ถ์ผ์์๋ ์คํํ ์ ์๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Patrick Wood: Morgan Stanley, Research Division It might be a sort of off-the-wall question, but the ability to have the surgery, just function to be a little bit more planned. Are there other efficiencies for the hospital side that, that enables like faster OR turnarounds that kind of thing, you know what I mean? | **Patrick Wood:** ์กฐ๊ธ ์๋ฑํ ์ง๋ฌธ์ผ ์๋ ์๋๋ฐ, ์์ ์ ์ข ๋ ๊ณํ์ ์ผ๋ก ์งํํ ์ ์๋ค๋ ์ ์ด ๋ณ์ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ๋ค๋ฅธ ํจ์จ์ฑ๋ ๊ฐ์ ธ์ฌ ์ ์์๊น์? ์๋ฅผ ๋ค์ด ์์ ์ค ํ์ ์จ์ ๋์ธ๋ค๋ ์ง ๊ทธ๋ฐ ๊ฒ๋ค ๋ง์ด์ฃ . ์ ๋ง์ ์ดํดํ์๊ฒ ์ฃ ? |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director Of course, there's several. The -- shifting organ transplantation to a morning procedure has huge impact on hospital financial resource management. Rather than paying double time or more in the middle of the night, they pay regular time; two, they give the hospital the ability to do more than one transplant a day, which used to be something unheard of because you're doing it in the middle of the night, you can't have the team working around the clock. Today, we're seeing our centers doing two, three, sometimes four for a large volume center and doing them between 7:00 in the morning and 7:00 at night. That is huge, huge value to -- and that the hospital administrators are recognizing. It's not just about work-life balance of the clinical staff, it's really about the better quality of the surgical procedure and better financial management to the hospitals. | **Waleed Hassanein:** ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ฌ๋ฌ ๊ฐ์ง๊ฐ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฅ๊ธฐ ์ด์์ ์ค์ ์๊ฐ๋ ์์ ๋ก ์ ํํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋ณ์์ ์ฌ์ ์์ ๊ด๋ฆฌ์ ์์ฒญ๋ ์ํฅ์ ๋ฏธ์นฉ๋๋ค. ํ๋ฐค์ค์ ๋ ๋ฐฐ ์ด์์ ์๋น์ ์ง๊ธํ๋ ๋์ ์ ๊ท ๊ทผ๋ฌด ์๊ฐ ์๋น๋ง ์ง๊ธํ๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ๋ ๋ฒ์งธ๋ก, ๋ณ์์ด ํ๋ฃจ์ ํ ๊ฑด ์ด์์ ์ด์ ์์ ์ ํ ์ ์๊ฒ ํด์ค๋๋ค. ์์ ์๋ ํ๋ฐค์ค์ ์์ ์ ์งํํ๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ํ์ด 24์๊ฐ ๋ด๋ด ์ผํ ์ ์์ด์ ์์๋ ํ ์ ์์๋ ์ผ์
๋๋ค. ์ค๋๋ ์ ํฌ ์ผํฐ๋ค์ ๋ ๊ฑด, ์ธ ๊ฑด, ๋ํ ์ผํฐ์ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ ๋๋ก๋ ๋ค ๊ฑด๊น์ง ์์ ์ ์งํํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด ๋ชจ๋ ๊ฒ์ ์ค์ 7์๋ถํฐ ์คํ 7์ ์ฌ์ด์ ์งํํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ ์ ๋ง ์์ฒญ๋ ๊ฐ์น์ด๋ฉฐ, ๋ณ์ ๊ด๋ฆฌ์๋ค์ด ์ด๋ฅผ ์ธ์ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ๋จ์ํ ์์ ์ง์๋ค์ ์๋ผ๋ฐธ(work-life balance) ๋ฌธ์ ๋ง์ด ์๋๋๋ค. ์ค์ ๋ก๋ ์์ ์ ์ฐจ์ ํ์ง ํฅ์๊ณผ ๋ณ์์ ์ฌ๋ฌด ๊ด๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ์ ์ ๊ดํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Patrick Wood: Morgan Stanley, Research Division I mean, on the topic of financial management, for you guys, as the ground missions proportionally have gone up a little bit because you more flexibility on the organ transplantation time, how should we think about that capital investment spend of the aviation network and the spend on that side? | **Patrick Wood:** ์ง์ ์ด์ก ์๋ฌด๊ฐ ์ฅ๊ธฐ ์ด์ ์๊ฐ์ ๋ ๋ง์ ์ ์ฐ์ฑ์ ์ ๊ณตํ๋ฉด์ ๋น์ค์ด ์กฐ๊ธ ์ฆ๊ฐํ๋๋ฐ์, ํญ๊ณต ๋คํธ์ํฌ์ ๋ํ ์๋ณธ ํฌ์ ์ง์ถ๊ณผ ๊ทธ์ชฝ ๋น์ฉ์ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์๊ฐํด์ผ ํ ๊น์? |
| CFO & Treasurer: Yes, to get to our 10,000 transplant goal and beyond, we certainly will need an additional fleet. We are running our double shifting program where it's going to help us to really rightsize the fleet. And based on that, we'll be opportunistic, right? I mean if we see jets that are at the right price, we'll move forward. Otherwise, we'll hold on when we find the right opportunity. But we will need to get more jets to get to the 10,000 and beyond. | **CFO & Treasurer:** ๋ค, ์ฐ๊ฐ 1๋ง ๊ฑด์ ์ฅ๊ธฐ ์ด์ก ๋ชฉํ๋ฅผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ๊ณ ๊ทธ ์ด์์ผ๋ก ๋์๊ฐ๊ธฐ ์ํด์๋ ๋ถ๋ช ํ ์ถ๊ฐ ํญ๊ณต๊ธฐ๊ฐ ํ์ํฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ 2๊ต๋ ์ด์ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ์ํํ๊ณ ์์ด์ ๋ณด์ ํญ๊ณต๊ธฐ ๊ท๋ชจ๋ฅผ ์ ์ ํํ๋ ๋ฐ ๋์์ด ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐํ์ผ๋ก ๊ธฐํ๊ฐ ์์ ๋ ์์ง์ผ ๊ณํ์ ๋๋ค. ์ ์ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ์ ํญ๊ณต๊ธฐ๊ฐ ๋์ค๋ฉด ๋ฐ๋ก ์งํํ ๊ฒ์ด๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋ ์ง ์์ผ๋ฉด ์ ์ ํ ๊ธฐํ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์ ๋๊น์ง ๊ธฐ๋ค๋ฆด ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง 1๋ง ๊ฑด ์ด์์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ๋ ค๋ฉด ๋ ๋ง์ ํญ๊ณต๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ๋ณดํด์ผ ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋ถ๋ช ํฉ๋๋ค. |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director Yes. And just to build on what Gerardo said, I don't want the community to misunderstand what we're saying. There will always be -- the majority of the organs will always be flying, especially with OCS because we can go further distance. But we just saw that interesting shift from 20% to 40% or near 40% and we wanted to highlight that. But the majority still is flying. And the more the OCS will take more of the lion's share of the market, we will fly more as we continue to expand the outreach -- the reach of transplant programs to reach donors and organs across the country and across the world. | **Waleed Hassanein:** ๋ค, ํค๋ผ๋ฅด๋๊ฐ ๋งํ ๋ด์ฉ์ ๋ง๋ถ์ด์๋ฉด, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ ๋ฌํ๊ณ ์ ํ๋ ๋ฉ์์ง๋ฅผ ์๋ชป ์ดํดํ์ง ์์ผ์
จ์ผ๋ฉด ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ ๋๋ถ๋ถ์ ํญ์ ํญ๊ณต ์ด์ก๋ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ํนํ OCS๋ฅผ ์ฌ์ฉํ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ ๋ ๋จผ ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๊น์ง ์ด์ก์ด ๊ฐ๋ฅํ๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์
๋๋ค. ๋ค๋ง ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ ๊ฒ์ 20%์์ 40% ๋๋ ๊ฑฐ์ 40%๋ก ์ฆ๊ฐํ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋ก์ด ๋ณํ์๊ณ , ์ด ์ ์ ๊ฐ์กฐํ๊ณ ์ถ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ฌ์ ํ ๋๋ถ๋ถ์ ํญ๊ณต ์ด์ก๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ OCS๊ฐ ์์ฅ์์ ๋ ํฐ ๋น์ค์ ์ฐจ์งํ๊ฒ ๋๋ฉด, ์ด์ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ๋ฒ์๋ฅผ ๊ณ์ ํ์ฅํ์ฌ ์ ๊ตญ๊ณผ ์ ์ธ๊ณ์ ๊ธฐ์ฆ์์ ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ ์ ๊ทผํ ์ ์๊ฒ ๋๋ฉด์ ํญ๊ณต ์ด์ก๋ ๋ ๋์ด๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Patrick Wood: Morgan Stanley, Research Division There's some areas of health care that I've seen over the years get maybe unfair undue amounts of, how to put it, emotional or political attention like nursing homes, dialysis and to some degree, organ transplants, right? It just gets that extra focus because there's an emotive quality associated with it. There's been a few articles in the press, not connected to you but to the DCD area in general. Like how do you feel about that? Do you think that has any impact at all? Or what should we think about when we read some of those articles? | **Patrick Wood:** ์๋ฃ ๋ถ์ผ์๋ ์ ๊ฐ ์๋ ๊ฐ ์ง์ผ๋ณธ ๋ฐ๋ก๋ ์์์, ํฌ์, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ด๋ ์ ๋๋ ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ด์์ฒ๋ผ ๋ถ๋นํ๊ฒ ๊ณผ๋ํ ๊ฐ์ ์ ๋๋ ์ ์น์ ๊ด์ฌ์ ๋ฐ๋ ์์ญ๋ค์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์ ์ฐ๊ด๋ ๊ฐ์ ์ ํน์ฑ ๋๋ฌธ์ ์ถ๊ฐ์ ์ธ ์ฃผ๋ชฉ์ ๋ฐ๊ฒ ๋๋ ๊ฒ์ด์ฃ . ์ต๊ทผ ์ธ๋ก ์ ๋ช๋ช ๊ธฐ์ฌ๋ค์ด ๋์๋๋ฐ, ๊ท์ฌ์ ์ง์ ์ฐ๊ด๋ ๊ฒ์ ์๋์ง๋ง DCD(์ฌ์ฅ์ฌ ํ ์ฅ๊ธฐ๊ธฐ์ฆ) ๋ถ์ผ ์ ๋ฐ์ ๊ดํ ๋ด์ฉ์ด์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด์ ๋ํด ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์๊ฐํ์๋์? ์ค์ ๋ก ์ํฅ์ด ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ณด์๋์ง์? ์๋๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋ฐ ๊ธฐ์ฌ๋ค์ ์ฝ์ ๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ด๋ค ์ ์ ์ผ๋์ ๋์ด์ผ ํ ๊น์? |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director Sure. Again, what we're seeing in the press is really a poor reflection of what really happened in the field. These cases happened 2 years ago in the early days of implementing DCD donation. There's a lot that we can talk about to improve. But these two cases are not really the be all, end all. We think that DCD donation is here to stay. The community is sophisticated enough to understand that these were in the early days when these OPOs were just trying to implement DCD programs. And with anything new, there's always some missteps. So we're not seeing a significant negative impact as we were afraid that it might result in because it's old and now DCD is here to stay and it's growing. And you can see it in the national numbers. DCD is nearly 50% of the donors in the United States. So -- and we hope that doesn't change. | **Waleed Hassanein:** ๋ค, ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ธ๋ก ์ ๋ณด๋๋ ๋ด์ฉ์ ์ค์ ํ์ฅ์์ ์ผ์ด๋ ์ผ์ ์ ๋๋ก ๋ฐ์ํ์ง ๋ชปํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํด๋น ์ฌ๋ก๋ค์ 2๋
์ DCD(์ฌ์ฅ์ฌ ํ ์ฅ๊ธฐ๊ธฐ์ฆ) ๊ธฐ์ฆ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ๋ง ๋์
ํ๋ ์ด๊ธฐ์ ๋ฐ์ํ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ๊ฐ์ ํ ๋ถ๋ถ์ด ๋ง๋ค๋ ์ ์ ์ธ์ ํฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ด ๋ ๊ฑด์ ์ฌ๋ก๊ฐ ์ ๋ถ๋ฅผ ๋๋ณํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ์๋๋๋ค. DCD ๊ธฐ์ฆ์ ์์ผ๋ก๋ ๊ณ์๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๊ณ๋ ์ด๋ฌํ ์ฌ๋ก๋ค์ด ๊ฐ OPO(์ฅ๊ธฐ์กฐ๋ฌ๊ธฐ๊ตฌ)๋ค์ด DCD ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ๋ง ์์ํ๋ ์ด๊ธฐ์ ๋ฐ์ํ๋ค๋ ์ ์ ์ถฉ๋ถํ ์ดํดํ ๋งํผ ์ฑ์ํด ์์ต๋๋ค. ์๋ก์ด ๊ฒ์ ์๋ํ ๋๋ ์ธ์ ๋ ์ํ์ฐฉ์ค๊ฐ ์๊ธฐ ๋ง๋ จ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ฐ๋ คํ๋ ๊ฒ๋งํผ ํฐ ๋ถ์ ์ ์ํฅ์ ๋ํ๋์ง ์๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฏธ ์ค๋๋ ์ฌ๋ก์ด๊ณ , ํ์ฌ DCD๋ ํ๊ณ ํ ์๋ฆฌ์ก์์ผ๋ฉฐ ์ฑ์ฅํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์ ๊ตญ ํต๊ณ ์์น์์๋ ํ์ธํ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์์ DCD๊ฐ ๊ธฐ์ฆ์์ ๊ฑฐ์ 50%๋ฅผ ์ฐจ์งํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ์ ํฌ๋ ์ด ๋น์จ์ด ๋ณํ์ง ์๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ๋ผ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Patrick Wood: Morgan Stanley, Research Division Do you think there's an adequate understanding in the system and the administration that those organs, which ended up mostly saving people's lives wouldn't just not have been used before. Is that well understood? | **Patrick Wood:** ๋ชจ๊ฑด์คํ ๋ฆฌ, ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ์์คํ ๊ณผ ํ์ ๋ถ์์ ์๋ช ์ ๊ตฌํ๋ ๋ฐ ์ฌ์ฉ๋ ๊ทธ ์ฅ๊ธฐ๋ค์ด ์ด์ ์๋ ์ฌ์ฉ๋์ง ์์์ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๋ ์ ์ ์ถฉ๋ถํ ์ดํดํ๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ณด์๋์? ์ด ๋ถ๋ถ์ด ์ ์ดํด๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๊น? |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director I think it's very well understood. And I think the -- specifically in the HRSA and CMS side, they definitely understand that, and what they're trying to do is just to bring a higher level of accountability that didn't exist in the transplant system in the United States. And it's something to be applauded, but we got to be careful not to throw the baby with the bathwater and make sure that, yes, there are some areas of improvement, but the transplant system in the United States is one of the best in the world, so -- and that remains to be a fact. So... | **Waleed Hassanein:** ์ด ์ ์ ๋งค์ฐ ์ ์ดํด๋๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ํนํ HRSA์ CMS ์ธก์์๋ ์ด๋ฅผ ํ์คํ ์ธ์งํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ๊ทธ๋ค์ด ํ๋ ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ด์ ์์คํ ์ ์กด์ฌํ์ง ์์๋ ๋ ๋์ ์์ค์ ์ฑ ์์ฑ์ ๋์ ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ๋ฐ์๋ฐ์ ๋ง๋ ํ ์ผ์ด์ง๋ง, ๋์์ ์ข์ ๊ฒ๊น์ง ํจ๊ป ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง ์๋๋ก ์ฃผ์ํด์ผ ํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ฐ์ ์ด ํ์ํ ๋ถ๋ถ๋ค์ด ๋ถ๋ช ์์ง๋ง, ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ด์ ์์คํ ์ ์ธ๊ณ ์ต๊ณ ์์ค ์ค ํ๋์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ์ฌ์ ํ ์ฌ์ค๋ก ๋จ์์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Patrick Wood: Morgan Stanley, Research Division When you're thinking about the industry, the transplant industry as a whole, obviously, there was a fairly big bit of news flow recently with Terumo coming in and buying one of your peers. What did you think when you first saw that news flow? What about -- what was the instinctive feeling on your end? | **Patrick Wood:** ์ ๊ณ ์ ์ฒด, ํนํ ์ด์ ์ฐ์ ์ ์๊ฐํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ต๊ทผ ํ ๋ฃจ๋ชจ๊ฐ ๊ฒฝ์์ฌ ์ค ํ ๊ณณ์ ์ธ์ํ๋ค๋ ๊ฝค ํฐ ๋ด์ค๊ฐ ์์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ ์์์ ์ฒ์ ์ ํ์ ๋ ์ด๋ค ์๊ฐ์ด ๋์ จ๋์? ๋ณธ๋ฅ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ด๋ค ๋๋์ ๋ฐ์ผ์ จ๋์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director Well, as I stated before, I mean, first, congratulations to the team from OrganOx and the team from Terumo in this great deal. The three points that we thought about is, well, great, this proves that, that space that was very not well understood in the early days of TransMedics, now as we created a multibillion-dollar global opportunity that Terumo and others are focusing on. Two, it proves how undervalued TransMedics stock is today and justifies the investments I made personally in the TransMedics stock. And three, it shows that that transplant is living a period of renaissance. And again, it proves that we're in the early innings of this. This is really going to continue to grow. And we are fully committed to continue to innovate and be on the front end of this and drive the field forward as the pioneers that invented that field from [indiscernible]. So we were very excited to see this. And again, we welcome Terumo to the field, and it keeps us honest from a competitive dynamic standpoint, and it will invest innovations into this field that we love. | **Waleed Hassanein:** ์, ์ ๊ฐ ์์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๊ฒ์ฒ๋ผ, ๋จผ์ OrganOx ํ๊ณผ Terumo ํ์ ์ด๋ฒ ํ๋ฅญํ ๊ฑฐ๋์ ์ถํ๋ฅผ ์ ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์๊ฐํ ์ธ ๊ฐ์ง ํฌ์ธํธ๊ฐ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฒซ์งธ, ์ด๋ฒ ๊ฑฐ๋๋ TransMedics ์ด์ฐฝ๊ธฐ์๋ ์ ์ดํด๋ฐ์ง ๋ชปํ๋ ์ด ๋ถ์ผ๊ฐ ์ด์ Terumo๋ฅผ ๋น๋กฏํ ๋ค๋ฅธ ๊ธฐ์ ๋ค์ด ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ๋ ์์ญ์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ๊ธ๋ก๋ฒ ๊ธฐํ๋ก ์ฑ์ฅํ๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ์ฆ๋ช ํฉ๋๋ค. ๋์งธ, ํ์ฌ TransMedics ์ฃผ๊ฐ๊ฐ ์ผ๋ง๋ ์ ํ๊ฐ๋์ด ์๋์ง๋ฅผ ์ ์ฆํ๋ฉฐ, ์ ๊ฐ ๊ฐ์ธ์ ์ผ๋ก TransMedics ์ฃผ์์ ํฌ์ํ ๊ฒ์ด ์ ๋นํ์์ ๋ณด์ฌ์ค๋๋ค. ์ ์งธ, ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ด์ ๋ถ์ผ๊ฐ ๋ฅด๋ค์์ค ์๋๋ฅผ ๋ง์ดํ๊ณ ์๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋ณด์ฌ์ค๋๋ค. ๋ค์ ํ๋ฒ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ์ง๋ง, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์์ง ์ด๊ธฐ ๋จ๊ณ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด ์ฑ์ฅ์ ์์ผ๋ก๋ ๊ณ์๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ์ด ๋ถ์ผ์์ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ํ์ ํ๊ณ ์ ๋์ ์์ ์ ๊ณ๋ฅผ ์ด๋์ด ๋๊ฐ๋ ๋ฐ ์ ๋ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ด ๋ถ์ผ๋ฅผ ์ฒ์ ๊ฐ์ฒํ ์ ๊ตฌ์๋ก์ ๋ง์ด์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋์ ์ด๋ฒ ์์์ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ณ ๋ฌด๋์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ค์ ํ๋ฒ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ์ง๋ง, ํ ๋ฃจ๋ชจ์ ์์ฅ ์ง์ ์ ํ์ํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ฒฝ์ ๊ตฌ๋ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ์ ํฌ์๊ฒ๋ ๊ธด์ฅ๊ฐ์ ์ฃผ๊ณ , ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ฌ๋ํ๋ ์ด ๋ถ์ผ์ ํ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ํํ๋ ๊ณ๊ธฐ๊ฐ ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Patrick Wood: Morgan Stanley, Research Division Still a lot of DCD organs end up not getting used. Does it help having another player actively pushing because people always focus on the cannibalistic nature of competition, but there's also one of growing the market. How do you think about that interplay? | **Patrick Wood:** ์ฌ์ ํ ๋ง์ DCD(donation after circulatory death, ์ฌ์ ์ง ํ ๊ธฐ์ฆ) ์ฅ๊ธฐ๋ค์ด ์ฌ์ฉ๋์ง ๋ชปํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ค๋ฅธ ์ ์ฒด๊ฐ ์ ๊ทน์ ์ผ๋ก ์์ฅ์ ํ๋ํ๋ ค๊ณ ๋ ธ๋ ฅํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ๋์์ด ๋ ๊น์? ์ฌ๋๋ค์ ํญ์ ๊ฒฝ์์ ์ ์์ ์ธ ์ธก๋ฉด์๋ง ์ง์คํ๋ ๊ฒฝํฅ์ด ์์ง๋ง, ์์ฅ ์ฑ์ฅ์ด๋ผ๋ ์ธก๋ฉด๋ ์์ง ์์ต๋๊น? ์ด๋ฌํ ์ํธ์์ฉ์ ๋ํด ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์๊ฐํ์๋์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director Yes, there is a lot of DCDs that are not being used, but we're not waiting for anybody to come in and allow them to be used. We're not stopping that. We are investing a lot to continue to innovate, and we are going to be the company that delivers innovations to continue to grow organ transplant. We're not waiting for Terumo or anybody else to tell us how to do the things we developed to make them be interested in the field. But obviously, competition keeps us -- it keeps us always on our toes and it's a healthy competition, and we love it. But we're not waiting for another company to show us how to do it. We are investing in our own programs to deliver more organ transplant, more DBD, better outcomes, more DCD organs and continuing to innovate on that front. | **Waleed Hassanein:** ๋ค, ์ฌ์ฉ๋์ง ์๊ณ ์๋ DCD(์ฌ์ฅ์ฌ ํ ์ฅ๊ธฐ๊ธฐ์ฆ) ์ฅ๊ธฐ๋ค์ด ๋ง์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๋๊ตฐ๊ฐ๊ฐ ์์ ๊ทธ๊ฒ๋ค์ ์ฌ์ฉํ ์ ์๊ฒ ํด์ฃผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋ค๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์์ง ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ทธ๋ฐ ๊ฒ์ ๋ฉ์ถ์ง ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ง์์ ์ธ ํ์ ์ ์ํด ๋ง์ ํฌ์๋ฅผ ํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ด์์ ๊ณ์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ํฌ ํ์ ์ ์ ๊ณตํ๋ ํ์ฌ๊ฐ ๋ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ํ
๋ฃจ๋ชจ๋ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์ด๋ค ํ์ฌ๊ฐ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๊ฐ๋ฐํ ๊ธฐ์ ์ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์ฌ์ฉํด์ผ ํ๋์ง ์๋ ค์ฃผ๊ฑฐ๋, ๊ทธ๋ค์ด ์ด ๋ถ์ผ์ ๊ด์ฌ์ ๊ฐ๋๋ก ํ๊ธฐ ์ํด ๊ธฐ๋ค๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์์ง ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก ๊ฒฝ์์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ํญ์ ๊ธด์ฅํ๊ฒ ๋ง๋ค๊ณ , ๊ฑด์ ํ ๊ฒฝ์์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ ํ์ํฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ๋ค๋ฅธ ํ์ฌ๊ฐ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์๊ฒ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ํด์ผ ํ๋์ง ๋ณด์ฌ์ฃผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋ค๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์์ง๋ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ๋ ๋ง์ ์ฅ๊ธฐ ์ด์, ๋ ๋ง์ ๋์ฌ ์ฅ๊ธฐ ๊ธฐ์ฆ(DBD), ๋ ๋์ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ, ๋ ๋ง์ ์ฌ์ฅ์ฌ ํ ์ฅ๊ธฐ ๊ธฐ์ฆ(DCD) ์ฅ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ ๊ณตํ๊ธฐ ์ํด ์์ฒด ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ํฌ์ํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด ๋ถ์ผ์์ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ํ์ ์ ์ด์ด๊ฐ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Patrick Wood: Morgan Stanley, Research Division If I think about the -- one of the things that distinguishes you, one of the things, is the aviation network. And it's been what? 18 months, 2 years since you really started that... | **Patrick Wood:** The user wants me to translate a Q&A session from an earnings call. However, this appears to be incomplete - it's just the beginning of a question from a Morgan Stanley analyst. The speaker is asking about the aviation network and mentions it's been 18 months to 2 years since they started it. Since this is just a question fragment and not a management response, I should translate what's provided. The instructions say to translate "management response" but this is clearly an analyst question. However, I'll proceed with translating the content provided as it may be part of a larger context. Let me translate this naturally into Korean: - "Morgan Stanley, Research Division" - I should not include this as per rule 1 (no speaker names) - The content is about aviation network being a distinguishing factor - Timeline mention of 18 months to 2 years - The question seems incomplete (ends with "...") I'll translate just the spoken content without the speaker identification. ๊ท์ฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐจ๋ณํํ๋ ์์ ์ค ํ๋๊ฐ ํญ๊ณต ๋คํธ์ํฌ์ธ๋ฐ์. ๋ณธ๊ฒฉ์ ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ์ ์ง 18๊ฐ์์์ 2๋ ์ ๋ ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค... |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director 2 years. Yes. | **Waleed Hassanein:** 2๋ ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ค. |
| Patrick Wood: Morgan Stanley, Research Division Yes, it's been -- yes, I remember the first one. And how has that gone versus your expectations? And also, where are we on the journey because there's definitely just like scale network effect of number of aircraft and number of missions and the liquidity of the capacity that you have? Like where are we at on that journey? | **Patrick Wood:** ๋ค, ์ฒซ ๋ฒ์งธ ์ง๋ฌธ ๊ธฐ์ตํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ๊ธฐ๋์น ๋๋น ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์งํ๋๊ณ ์๋์ง, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ํ์ฌ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ด๋ ๋จ๊ณ์ ์ ์๋์ง ๊ถ๊ธํ์ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ํญ๊ณต๊ธฐ ์์ ์๋ฌด ์, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋ณด์ ์ญ๋์ ์ ๋์ฑ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ๋คํธ์ํฌ ํจ๊ณผ๊ฐ ๋ถ๋ช ํ ์๋๋ฐ, ์ง๊ธ ๊ทธ ์ฌ์ ์์ ์ด๋ ์ง์ ์ ์ ์๋์ง ๋ง์ ๋ถํ๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director We're -- I would say we're in, I would say, the early phases of that journey. We're very excited that we finally have a critical mass to be able to operate with a network effect in the United States. Now as Gerardo said, we are experimenting with double shifting the planes or portion of our planes to really maximize the utilization of our fixed assets before we invest in more fixed assets or more aircraft, which we know we have to do. The question is, do we buy 10 more or 5 more. And the double shifting will give us the answer to that. What's exciting about this is the success of the NOP logistics and NOP clinical services in the U.S. Now it's catalyzing a lot of international interest that was dormant for a long time thinking that TransMedics is only selling medical technology. Today, when we see the success of TransMedics -- that TransMedics is achieving in the United States and the ability to manage a turnkey service, we're getting a lot of interest from international markets that -- wanting us to replicate that in their local geographies. | **Waleed Hassanein:** ์ ํฌ๋ ํ์ฌ ๊ทธ ์ฌ์ ์ ์ด๊ธฐ ๋จ๊ณ์ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ง์๋๋ฆด ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋๋์ด ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์์ ๋คํธ์ํฌ ํจ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ฐํํ ์ ์๋ ์๊ณ ๊ท๋ชจ(critical mass)๋ฅผ ํ๋ณดํ๊ฒ ๋์ด ๋งค์ฐ ๊ธฐ์๊ฒ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ์ ๋ผ๋ฅด๋๊ฐ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๊ฒ์ฒ๋ผ, ์ ํฌ๋ ํ์ฌ ํญ๊ณต๊ธฐ ๋๋ ์ผ๋ถ ํญ๊ณต๊ธฐ์ 2๊ต๋ ์ด์์ ์คํํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ถ๊ฐ ๊ณ ์ ์์ฐ์ด๋ ํญ๊ณต๊ธฐ์ ํฌ์ํ๊ธฐ ์ ์ ๋ณด์ ๊ณ ์ ์์ฐ์ ํ์ฉ๋๋ฅผ ๊ทน๋ํํ๊ธฐ ์ํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ถ๊ฐ ํฌ์๊ฐ ํ์ํ๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ์๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฌธ์ ๋ 10๋๋ฅผ ๋ ๊ตฌ๋งคํ ๊ฒ์ธ์ง, 5๋๋ฅผ ๋ ๊ตฌ๋งคํ ๊ฒ์ธ์ง์ ๋๋ค. 2๊ต๋ ์ด์์ด ๊ทธ ๋ต์ ์ ์ํด ์ค ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ฌ๊ธฐ์ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋ก์ด ์ ์ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์์ NOP ๋ฌผ๋ฅ์ NOP ์์ ์๋น์ค๊ฐ ์ฑ๊ณต์ ๊ฑฐ๋๊ณ ์๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด์ ์ด๊ฒ์ด ์ค๋ซ๋์ ์ ์ฌ๋์ด ์๋ ๋ง์ ๊ตญ์ ์ ๊ด์ฌ์ ์ด๋ฐ์ํค๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ์๋ TransMedics๊ฐ ๋จ์ํ ์๋ฃ ๊ธฐ์ ๋ง ํ๋งคํ๋ ํ์ฌ๋ผ๊ณ ์๊ฐํ์์ฃ . ํ์ง๋ง ์ค๋๋ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์์ TransMedics๊ฐ ๊ฑฐ๋๊ณ ์๋ ์ฑ๊ณต๊ณผ ํดํค ์๋น์ค(turnkey service)๋ฅผ ๊ด๋ฆฌํ๋ ์ญ๋์ ๋ณด๋ฉด์, ํด์ธ ์์ฅ๋ค๋ก๋ถํฐ ์๊ตญ ์ง์ญ์์๋ ์ด๋ฅผ ๋ณต์ ํด๋ฌ๋ผ๋ ๋ง์ ๊ด์ฌ์ ๋ฐ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Patrick Wood: Morgan Stanley, Research Division I definitely want to touch on OUS in a second. When we think of like missions in the middle of night, you're always thinking about the surgeon and how difficult that is. How easy is it to find and hire pilots? Because again, they're also having to do -- I mean, on the one hand, they're saving lives rather than flying billionaires around, which is kind of cool. But then it might always to be the middle of night, how hard is that? | **Patrick Wood:** OUS์ ๋ํด์๋ ์ ์ ํ์ ๋ค๋ฃจ๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. ํ๋ฐค์ค ์๋ฌด๋ฅผ ์๊ฐํ๋ฉด ํญ์ ์ธ๊ณผ์์ฌ์ ๊ทธ ์ด๋ ค์์ ๋ํด ์๊ฐํ๊ฒ ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ์กฐ์ข ์ฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๊ณ ์ฑ์ฉํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ์ผ๋ง๋ ์ฌ์ด๊ฐ์? ํํธ์ผ๋ก๋ ์ต๋ง์ฅ์๋ค์ ํ์ฐ๊ณ ๋ค๋๋ ๋์ ์๋ช ์ ๊ตฌํ๋ ์ผ์ ํ๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ด ๊ฝค ๋ฉ์ง ์ผ์ด๊ธด ํ์ง๋ง, ํญ์ ํ๋ฐค์ค์ ์ผํด์ผ ํ ์๋ ์๋๋ฐ, ๊ทธ๊ฒ ์ผ๋ง๋ ์ด๋ ค์ด๊ฐ์? |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director Listen, our pilots, we love our pilots. They're very proud of their mission and mission of TransMedics. You can see them on LinkedIn, we were concerned about that dynamic. Today, we're approaching close to 150 pilots and growing rapidly. They're very, very motivated by the mission. And we can't speak highly enough of our pilots. We know it's not for everybody. We've been very transparent with our crew from day one when we made the acquisition of Summit, that this is different than flying high net worth individuals. But to our pleasant surprise, the mission is resonating well with our pilots, and we are not having -- knock on wood, we're not having any issues retaining them. Also, we are very competitive in our compensation package. And I promised our crew that they will be one of the top -- because of the demand, they're going to be one of the top compensated crew in the industry, and we're delivering on that promise. | **Waleed Hassanein:** ์ ํฌ ์กฐ์ข
์ฌ๋ค์ ๋ํด ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ์๋ฉด, ์ ๋ง ์๋์ค๋ฝ๊ฒ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ์กฐ์ข
์ฌ๋ค์ ์์ ๋ค์ ์๋ฌด์ TransMedics์ ๋ฏธ์
์ ๋ํด ํฐ ์๋ถ์ฌ์ ๊ฐ์ง๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. LinkedIn์์๋ ํ์ธํ์ค ์ ์๋๋ฐ, ์ ํฌ๋ ์ด ๋ถ๋ถ์ ๋ํด ๊ด์ฌ์ ๊ฐ์ง๊ณ ์ง์ผ๋ดค์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ์กฐ์ข
์ฌ ์ธ๋ ฅ์ด 150๋ช
์ ๊ฐ๊น์์ง๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ฆ๊ฐํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ค์ ๋ฏธ์
์ ๋ํ ๋๊ธฐ๋ถ์ฌ๊ฐ ๋งค์ฐ ๋์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ ์กฐ์ข
์ฌ๋ค์ ๋ํด์๋ ์๋ฌด๋ฆฌ ์นญ์ฐฌํด๋ ์ง๋์น์ง ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด ์ผ์ด ๋ชจ๋ ์ฌ๋์๊ฒ ๋ง๋ ๊ฒ์ ์๋๋ผ๋ ์ ์ ์๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. Summit์ ์ธ์ํ ๋๋ถํฐ ์ ํฌ ์น๋ฌด์๋ค์๊ฒ ๋งค์ฐ ํฌ๋ช ํ๊ฒ ๋ง์๋๋ ธ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด ์ผ์ ๊ณ ์ก ์์ฐ๊ฐ๋ค์ ๋ชจ์๋ ๊ฒ๊ณผ๋ ๋ค๋ฅด๋ค๊ณ ์. ํ์ง๋ง ๊ธฐ์๊ฒ๋, ์ ํฌ ๋ฏธ์ ์ด ์กฐ์ข ์ฌ๋ค์๊ฒ ํฐ ๊ณต๊ฐ์ ์ป๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ๋คํํ๋ ์ธ๋ ฅ ์ ์ง์๋ ์ ํ ๋ฌธ์ ๊ฐ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ํ ๋ณด์ ํจํค์ง ์ธก๋ฉด์์๋ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ฒฝ์๋ ฅ ์๋ ์์ค์ ์ ์งํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ ์ง์๋ค์๊ฒ ์ ๊ณ ์ต๊ณ ์์ค์ ๋ณด์์ ์ ๊ณตํ๊ฒ ๋ค๊ณ ์ฝ์ํ์ต๋๋ค. ์์๊ฐ ๋์ ๋งํผ, ์ ๊ณ ์ต๊ณ ์์ค์ ๋ณด์์ ๋ฐ๊ฒ ๋ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ๋ง์๋๋ ธ๊ณ , ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ทธ ์ฝ์์ ์งํค๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Patrick Wood: Morgan Stanley, Research Division The -- where are we at -- because obviously, NOP got rolled out, it's basically full coverage now. Where are we at in terms of the concept of pricing? I don't mean the absolute price level, I mean the distinguishing between service and products, actually just becoming an end-to-end thing where the customers are really thinking about it as just, I need an organ, this just a price rather than distinguishing between OCS and NOP? | **Patrick Wood:** ํ์ฌ NOP๊ฐ ์ ๋ฉด ๋์ ๋์ด ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ ์ฒด ์ปค๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง๋ฅผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ ์ํฉ์์, ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ์ฑ ์ ๊ฐ๋ ์ ์ด๋ ๋จ๊ณ์ ์ ์์ต๋๊น? ์ ๋์ ์ธ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ์์ค์ ๋งํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์๋๋ผ, ์๋น์ค์ ์ ํ์ ๊ตฌ๋ถํ๋ ๊ฒ์์ ์ค์ ๋ก end-to-end ํตํฉ ๋ฐฉ์์ผ๋ก ์ ํ๋์ด, ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ด OCS์ NOP๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ๋ถํ๊ธฐ๋ณด๋ค๋ '์ฅ๊ธฐ๊ฐ ํ์ํ๊ณ , ์ด๊ฒ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ์ด๋ค'๋ผ๊ณ ์๊ฐํ๋ ๋จ๊ณ๋ก ๊ฐ๊ณ ์๋์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director I want to remind everyone that TransMedics is very unique in the fact that we have not increased our prices for the last 7 years, really since before the FDA approval. We intentionally priced NOP service at a nominal price to what the value we're delivering because we did not want that to be an impediment for adoption. And we have to charge fairly and actually, we are the most efficient pricing on logistics. So the total combination now, we feel very strongly to my original statement, a few calls back that we are delivering -- we believe wholeheartedly that we are delivering the most cost-effective transplants in the world because of the technology cost has not grown by a dime. We're delivering high, high value for fair pricing, the clinical service is appropriately priced, and the logistics is the most competitive pricing that we can do because we are managing the network. So I feel now it's not an issue for the centers that are adopting NOP, it's just they're ordering the service across all three levels. There's no distinguishing between, oh, I only want the clinical service but not the logistics, or not -- the logistics without clinical service that -- obviously, that won't fly. | **Waleed Hassanein:** ์ ํฌ๋ ์ง๋ 7๋
๊ฐ, ์ค์ ๋ก๋ FDA ์น์ธ ์ด์ ๋ถํฐ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ์ ์ธ์ํ์ง ์์๋ค๋ ์ ์ ๋ค์ ํ๋ฒ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ์๋์ ์ผ๋ก NOP ์๋น์ค๋ฅผ ๋ช
๋ชฉ์์ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ์ผ๋ก ์ฑ
์ ํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ ๊ณตํ๋ ๊ฐ์น์ ๋นํด ๋ฎ์ ์์ค์ด์ฃ . ๋์
์ ์ฅ์ ๊ฐ ๋๋ ๊ฒ์ ์ํ์ง ์์๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์
๋๋ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก ๊ณต์ ํ๊ฒ ์ฒญ๊ตฌํด์ผ ํ๊ณ , ์ค์ ๋ก ์ ํฌ๋ ๋ฌผ๋ฅ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ๊ฐ์ฅ ํจ์จ์ ์ธ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ์ ์ ๊ณตํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด์ ๋ชจ๋ ๊ฒ์ ์ข ํฉํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ๋ช ์ฐจ๋ก ์ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค์ฝ์์ ์ ๊ฐ ํ๋ ๋ง์์ ๋ํด ๋งค์ฐ ํ์ ์ ๊ฐ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ์ ์ธ๊ณ์์ ๊ฐ์ฅ ๋น์ฉ ํจ์จ์ ์ธ ์ด์์ ์ ๊ณตํ๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ์ง์ฌ์ผ๋ก ๋ฏฟ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ธฐ์ ๋น์ฉ์ด ๋จ ํ ํผ๋ ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ง ์์๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ณต์ ํ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ์ผ๋ก ๋์ ๊ฐ์น๋ฅผ ์ ๊ณตํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์์ ์๋น์ค๋ ์ ์ ํ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ์ผ๋ก ์ฑ ์ ๋์ด ์๊ณ , ๋ฌผ๋ฅ๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๋คํธ์ํฌ๋ฅผ ๊ด๋ฆฌํ๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๊ฐ๋ฅํ ๊ฐ์ฅ ๊ฒฝ์๋ ฅ ์๋ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ์ผ๋ก ์ ๊ณตํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ํ์ฌ NOP๋ฅผ ๋์ ํ๋ ์ผํฐ๋ค์๊ฒ๋ ์ด๊ฒ์ด ๋ฌธ์ ๊ฐ ๋์ง ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ๋จ์ง ์ธ ๊ฐ์ง ๋ ๋ฒจ์ ์๋น์ค ์ ์ฒด๋ฅผ ์ฃผ๋ฌธํ๊ณ ์์ ๋ฟ์ ๋๋ค. ์์ ์๋น์ค๋ง ์ํ๊ณ ๋ฌผ๋ฅ๋ ์ํ์ง ์๋๋ค๊ฑฐ๋, ์์ ์๋น์ค ์์ด ๋ฌผ๋ฅ๋ง ์ํ๋ค๋ ์์ ๊ตฌ๋ถ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋น์ฐํ ๊ทธ๋ฐ ๋ฐฉ์์ ํตํ์ง ์์ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Patrick Wood: Morgan Stanley, Research Division Yes, it's basically all combined anyway. | **Patrick Wood:** ๋ค, ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ชจ๋ ํตํฉ๋์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director | **Waleed Hassanein:** I notice you've only provided a title/role designation without any actual spoken content to translate. "Founder, President, CEO & Director" would be translated as: **์ฐฝ๋ฆฝ์, ์ฌ์ฅ, CEO ๊ฒธ ์ด์ฌ** However, this appears to be just a speaker identification rather than the actual Q&A content that needs translation. Could you please provide the actual management response or spoken content from the earnings call that you'd like me to translate? I'm ready to translate the full response once you share it. |
| Patrick Wood: Morgan Stanley, Research Division Okay. That makes sense. And we -- obviously, we can all see how Medicare works. We understand how that -- the mechanics are there and the coverage, but the bit that we will get much less visibility on is the commercial side. How are most of those contracts typically structured mechanistically? And where is the pricing relative today for the newer contracts versus Medicare... | **Patrick Wood:** ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ ํฌ๋ ๋ถ๋ช ํ ๋ฉ๋์ผ์ด๊ฐ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์๋ํ๋์ง ๋ณผ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ ๋ฉ์ปค๋์ฆ๊ณผ ๋ณด์ฅ ๋ฒ์๋ฅผ ์ดํดํ๊ณ ์์ง๋ง, ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ํจ์ฌ ๋ ๋ณผ ์ ์๋ ๋ถ๋ถ์ ๋ฏผ๊ฐ ๋ณดํ ์ชฝ์ ๋๋ค. ๋๋ถ๋ถ์ ๋ฏผ๊ฐ ๋ณดํ ๊ณ์ฝ๋ค์ ์ผ๋ฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ตฌ์กฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๊ตฌ์ฑ๋์ด ์์ต๋๊น? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ ๊ท ๊ณ์ฝ๋ค์ ํ์ฌ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ์ฑ ์ ์ด ๋ฉ๋์ผ์ด ๋๋น ์ด๋ ์์ค์ ์์ต๋๊น... |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director Yes. I think for anyone who's tracking organ transplant, as you know -- you may know that transplant contract is one of the most coveted secrets in every transplant -- major transplant institution. And every institution thinks that they have the most generous, most competitive contracts on the planet. That's a fact that -- they think that way. From our side, the only comforting comment that we can offer is we wouldn't be here. We wouldn't show the success and adoption rates and the revenue growth that we have if the commercial payers don't understand the value of OCS. And we started with this, if you remember, from the early days of NOP, we've reached out to every commercial payer in the United States to make sure they understand what we're doing, why are we doing and potential economic impact on their network. And they all get it, including CMS by the way. CMS gets the value in spades. And in every interaction we have with the CMS team, they bring up when are you coming with the kidney. Kidney is very important for us. There's hundreds of billions of dollars being spent that we need to make sure that we get similar outcomes from OCS in the kidney that could change -- transform the financial profile of kidney transplants in the United States. So that gives us comfort and gives us confidence in what we're doing. But we're continuing to keep open dialogue, not just with payers, but also hospital administrators to make sure they understand the economic value. But they're clearly doing a great job reaching out to their third-party commercial payers and the contracts are being appropriately scaled. Otherwise, we wouldn't see the adoption and scale of adoption that we're seeing. | **Waleed Hassanein:** ์ฅ๊ธฐ ์ด์์ ์ถ์ ํ๊ณ ๊ณ์ ๋ถ๋ค์ ์์๊ฒ ์ง๋ง, ์ด์ ๊ณ์ฝ์ ๋ชจ๋ ์ฃผ์ ์ด์ ๊ธฐ๊ด์์ ๊ฐ์ฅ ์ค์ํ๊ฒ ๋ค๋ฃจ๋ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ ์ฌํญ์
๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋ชจ๋ ๊ธฐ๊ด์ ์์ ๋ค์ด ๊ฐ์ฅ ๊ด๋ํ๊ณ ๊ฒฝ์๋ ฅ ์๋ ๊ณ์ฝ์ ๋ณด์ ํ๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ด ํ์ค์
๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ ์ ์ฅ์์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆด ์ ์๋ ๊ฒ์, ๋ง์ฝ ๋ฏผ๊ฐ ๋ณดํ์ฌ๋ค์ด OCS์ ๊ฐ์น๋ฅผ ์ดํดํ์ง ๋ชปํ๋ค๋ฉด ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ง๊ธ ์ด ์๋ฆฌ์ ์์ ์ ์์์ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๋ ์ ์ ๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ๋ณด์ฌ๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์๋ ์ฑ๊ณต์ ์ธ ๋์ ๋ฅ ๊ณผ ๋งค์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ๋ ๋ถ๊ฐ๋ฅํ์ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ธฐ์ตํ์๊ฒ ์ง๋ง, NOP ์ด๊ธฐ๋ถํฐ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๋ด ๋ชจ๋ ์์ ๋ณดํ์ฌ๋ค์๊ฒ ์ฐ๋ฝ์ ์ทจํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๋ฌด์์ ํ๊ณ ์๋์ง, ์ ํ๋์ง, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ทธ๋ค์ ๋คํธ์ํฌ์ ๋ฏธ์น ์ ์๋ ์ ์ฌ์ ๊ฒฝ์ ์ ์ํฅ์ ๋ํด ํ์คํ ์ดํด์ํค๊ธฐ ์ํด์์์ฃ . CMS๋ฅผ ํฌํจํด์ ๋ชจ๋๊ฐ ์ดํดํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. CMS๋ ๊ทธ ๊ฐ์น๋ฅผ ์๋ฒฝํ๊ฒ ์ดํดํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. CMS ํ๊ณผ ๋ง๋ ๋๋ง๋ค ๊ทธ๋ค์ด ๋จผ์ ์ ์ฅ ์ด์์ ์ธ์ ์์ํ๋๋๊ณ ๋ฌผ์ด๋ด ๋๋ค. ์ ์ฅ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์๊ฒ ๋งค์ฐ ์ค์ํฉ๋๋ค. ์์ฒ์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ๊ฐ ์ง์ถ๋๊ณ ์๋ ๋ถ์ผ์ด๊ณ , OCS๋ฅผ ํตํด ์ ์ฅ ์ด์์์๋ ์ ์ฌํ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ์ป์ ์ ์๋ค๋ฉด ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๋ด ์ ์ฅ ์ด์์ ์ฌ๋ฌด ๊ตฌ์กฐ๋ฅผ ์์ ํ ๋ณํ์ํฌ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฐ ์ ๋ค์ด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ํ๊ณ ์๋ ์ผ์ ๋ํ ํ์ ์ ๊ฐ๊ฒ ํด์ค๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ ํฌ๋ ๋ณดํ์ฌ๋ฟ๋ง ์๋๋ผ ๋ณ์ ๊ฒฝ์์ง๋ค๊ณผ๋ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ์ด๋ฆฐ ๋ํ๋ฅผ ์ด์ด๊ฐ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ค์ด ๊ฒฝ์ ์ ๊ฐ์น๋ฅผ ํ์คํ ์ดํดํ ์ ์๋๋ก ๋ง์ด์ฃ . ๋ณ์๋ค์ด ๋ฏผ๊ฐ ๋ณดํ์ฌ๋ค๊ณผ์ ํ์์ ์ ๋ง ์ ์งํํ๊ณ ์๊ณ , ๊ณ์ฝ ์กฐ๊ฑด๋ค๋ ์ ์ ํ๊ฒ ์กฐ์ ๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ ์ง ์์๋ค๋ฉด ์ง๊ธ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๋ณด๊ณ ์๋ ์ด๋ฐ ๋์ ๋ฅ ๊ณผ ํ์ฐ ๊ท๋ชจ๋ฅผ ๋ณผ ์ ์์์ ๊ฒ๋๋ค. |
| Patrick Wood: Morgan Stanley, Research Division I'd love to pivot actually to some of the individual organs. Maybe starting with kidney. Kidney is obviously a little bit different because there's a known donor component to kidney relative to receiving [ liver ]. And so -- how much of that market do you think is just site-to-site known donor versus like it's going to have to be transported somewhere? And connected to kidney as well, President Trump had previously been a big supporter of increasing kidney donation on the record in his first term. I cover the [ dialysis] [indiscernible] does that play into, in effect, to how successful do you think it will be to get more donor registry? | **Patrick Wood:** ์ ์ฅ ์ด์ ์์ฅ์ ๋ํด ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ์ ์ฅ์ ํ์คํ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์ฅ๊ธฐ๋ค๊ณผ๋ ์กฐ๊ธ ๋ค๋ฆ
๋๋ค. ์์ฒด ๊ธฐ์ฆ์(known donor)๊ฐ ์๋ค๋ ์ ์์ ๊ฐ ์ด์๊ณผ๋ ์ฐจ์ด๊ฐ ์์ฃ . ์์ฅ์ ๋ณด๋ฉด ๋ณ์ ๊ฐ ์ง์ ์ด์ก์ด ํ์ํ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ์ ์์ฒด ๊ธฐ์ฆ์ ๊ฐ ์ด์์ผ๋ก ๋๋๋๋ฐ, ์ค์ ๋ก ์ด์ก์ด ํ์ํ ์ผ์ด์ค๊ฐ ์๋น ๋ถ๋ถ์ ์ฐจ์งํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํธ๋ผํ ๋ํต๋ น์ด ์ฒซ ์๊ธฐ ๋ ์ ์ฅ ๊ธฐ์ฆ ํ๋๋ฅผ ์ ๊ทน ์ง์งํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋ง์ต๋๋ค. ํฌ์ ์์ฅ์ ๋ณด์๋ฉด ์์๊ฒ ์ง๋ง, ๊ธฐ์ฆ์ ๋ฑ๋ก ํ๋๊ฐ ์ผ๋ง๋ ์ฑ๊ณต์ ์ผ์ง๋ ์ฌ๋ฌ ์์ธ์ด ์์ฉํฉ๋๋ค. ์ ์ฑ ์ ์ง์์ด ์๋ค๋ฉด ๋ถ๋ช ๊ธ์ ์ ์ธ ์ํฅ์ด ์์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ด ๋๋ค. ๊ธฐ์ฆ์ ํ์ด ํ๋๋๋ฉด ๋น์ฐํ ์ด์ ๊ฑด์๋ ๋์ด๋ ๊ฒ์ด๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋งํผ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ์๋ฃจ์ ์ ๋ํ ์์๋ ์ฆ๊ฐํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ค๋ง ๊ธฐ์ฆ์ ๋ฑ๋ก ํ๋๋ ๋จ๊ธฐ๊ฐ์ ์ด๋ค์ง๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์๋๋ผ ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ ์ธ ๋ ธ๋ ฅ์ด ํ์ํ ๋ถ๋ถ์ ๋๋ค. ์ ์ฑ ์ ๋ท๋ฐ์นจ๊ณผ ํจ๊ป ๋์ค์ ์ธ์ ๊ฐ์ ๋ ํจ๊ป ์ด๋ค์ ธ์ผ ํ์ฃ . ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ด๋ฌํ ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ธ ํ๋ฆ์ด ๊ธ์ ์ ์ผ๋ก ์์ฉํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director So kidney is a huge, giant in organ transplant. It's the largest transplant organ by volume, the living donor kidney program, which you're focusing on only represents about 20% of the total volume. In the United States, there's approximately 23,000 to 25,000 deceased donor kidneys being transplanted every year. Those are the ones that we're targeting. And that's what gives us the focus on our kidney program to focus on those 20,000 to 25,000 deceased donors. Why are we doing kidney program with OCS today? Because today, kidneys have two major problems that are at all-time high, the post-transplant clinical outcomes are now approaching 50% to 55% delayed graft function rate, which means the kidneys that are transplanted are not functioning well and the patient is back on dialysis. It's costing significant amount of dollars and frankly, comorbidities to the patients. Two, the kidney utilization is at all-time low. We're only utilizing kidneys at a rate of about 60%. When I started TransMedics, the kidney utilization was 90%. So we need newer technologies that can better protect kidneys to maximize the utilization of kidneys and reduce the post-transplant delayed graft function. If we can achieve these two, there's no doubt in my mind that we will be a gold standard for preserving kidneys in the United States and around the world. And that's the target for the OCS kidney program. | **Waleed Hassanein:** ์ ์ฅ์ ์ฅ๊ธฐ ์ด์์์ ์ ๋ง ๊ฑฐ๋ํ ์์ญ์
๋๋ค. ์ด์๋ ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก ๊ฐ์ฅ ํฐ ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ด์ฃ . ๋ง์ํ์ ์์ฒด ๊ธฐ์ฆ ์ ์ฅ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ์ ์ฒด ์ด์๋์ ์ฝ 20%๋ง์ ์ฐจ์งํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์์๋ ๋งค๋
์ฝ 23,000๊ฑด์์ 25,000๊ฑด์ ๋์ฌ์ ๊ธฐ์ฆ ์ ์ฅ ์ด์์ด ์ด๋ฃจ์ด์ง๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ก ์ด ๋ถ๋ถ์ด ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ํ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ํ๋ ์์ญ์
๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ์ ํฌ ์ ์ฅ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ์ด 20,000๊ฑด์์ 25,000๊ฑด์ ๋์ฌ์ ๊ธฐ์ฆ์ ์ง์คํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ ๋ค๋ฉด ์ ์ง๊ธ OCS๋ก ์ ์ฅ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ์งํํ๊ณ ์์๊น์? ํ์ฌ ์ ์ฅ ์ด์์๋ ๋ ๊ฐ์ง ์ฃผ์ ๋ฌธ์ ๊ฐ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ์ฌ์ ์ต์
์ ์์ค์
๋๋ค. ์ด์ ํ ์์ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ฉด ์ง์ฐ ์ด์ํธ ๊ธฐ๋ฅ(delayed graft function) ๋ฐ์๋ฅ ์ด 50~55%์ ์ก๋ฐํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์ด์๋ ์ ์ฅ์ด ์ ๋๋ก ๊ธฐ๋ฅํ์ง ๋ชปํด ํ์๊ฐ ๋ค์ ํฌ์์ ๋ฐ์์ผ ํ๋ค๋ ์๋ฏธ์
๋๋ค. ์ด๋ก ์ธํด ์๋นํ ๋น์ฉ์ด ๋ฐ์ํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์์งํ ํ์๋ค์๊ฒ ํฉ๋ณ์ฆ๋ ์ ๋ฐํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ ๋ฒ์งธ๋ก, ์ ์ฅ ํ์ฉ๋ฅ ์ด ์ฌ์ ์ต์ ์์ค์ ๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ์ฝ 60% ์ ๋๋ง ํ์ฉํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๊ฐ TransMedics๋ฅผ ์์ํ์ ๋๋ง ํด๋ ์ ์ฅ ํ์ฉ๋ฅ ์ 90%์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ ์ฅ์ ๋ ์ ๋ณดํธํ ์ ์๋ ์๋ก์ด ๊ธฐ์ ์ด ํ์ํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ผ ์ ์ฅ ํ์ฉ๋ฅ ์ ๊ทน๋ํํ๊ณ ์ด์ ํ ์ง์ฐ ์ด์ํธ ๊ธฐ๋ฅ ๋ฐ์์ ์ค์ผ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด ๋ ๊ฐ์ง๋ฅผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ ์ ์๋ค๋ฉด, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ๊ณผ ์ ์ธ๊ณ์์ ์ ์ฅ ๋ณด์กด์ ํ์ค์ด ๋ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๋ ์ ์ ๋ํด ์ ๋ ์ ํ ์์ฌํ์ง ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ด ๋ฐ๋ก OCS ์ ์ฅ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ๋ชฉํ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Patrick Wood: Morgan Stanley, Research Division The -- yes, I guess, dialysis is like $90,000 to $100,000 a year for a Medicare patient. So [indiscernible] longer to get payback on having better transplant on that side. Okay. That makes a ton of sense. When you're thinking about kidney and the rollout? Would that be incremental investment? Like is there anything different about that market that you would then have to do to activate it relative to what you've already done in lung and liver? | **Patrick Wood:** ๋ค, ํฌ์ ๋น์ฉ์ด ๋ฉ๋์ผ์ด ํ์ ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก ์ฐ๊ฐ 9๋ง~10๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ ์ ๋๋๊น์. ๊ทธ๋์ ์ด์์ด ๋ ์ ๋๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋ํ ํฌ์ ํ์ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ์ด ๋ ๊ธธ์ด์ง๋ ๊ฑฐ๊ตฐ์. ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ถฉ๋ถํ ์ดํด๊ฐ ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ์ ์ฅ ์์ฅ ์ง์ถ๊ณผ ํ๋์ ๋ํด ์ฌ์ญค๋ณด๊ณ ์ถ์๋ฐ์. ์ถ๊ฐ ํฌ์๊ฐ ํ์ํ ๊น์? ์ด๋ฏธ ํ์ ๊ฐ ์์ฅ์์ ํ์ ๊ฒ๊ณผ ๋น๊ตํ์ ๋, ์ ์ฅ ์์ฅ์ ํ์ฑํํ๊ธฐ ์ํด ํน๋ณํ ๋ค๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ ๊ทผํด์ผ ํ ๋ถ๋ถ์ด ์์๊น์? |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director Yes. It's a much bigger market. Yes, the technology will be completely different. In fact, we always said, the kidney device will be the front edge of Gen-3 OCS technology, and I'll leave it at that because we haven't talked about it publicly yet. And we're working very hard right now to finalize the design and get that kidney device ready for clinical implementation by early '27. So 2026 is going to be a very busy year for our kidney team in TransMedics from a development standpoint. | **Waleed Hassanein:** ๋ค, ํจ์ฌ ๋ ํฐ ์์ฅ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ธฐ์ ๋ ์์ ํ ๋ค๋ฅผ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ฌ์ค ์ ํฌ๋ ํญ์ ์ ์ฅ ๊ธฐ๊ธฐ๊ฐ 3์ธ๋ OCS ๊ธฐ์ ์ ์ต์ ์ ์ด ๋ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ๋ง์๋๋ ธ๋๋ฐ, ์์ง ๊ณต๊ฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ์์ธํ ๋ ผ์ํ์ง ์์๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ์ฌ๊ธฐ๊น์ง๋ง ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ์ค๊ณ๋ฅผ ์ต์ข ํ์ ํ๊ณ 2027๋ ์ด๊น์ง ์ ์ฅ ๊ธฐ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์์ ์ ์ฉํ ์ ์๋๋ก ์ค๋นํ๋ ๋ฐ ๋งค์ฐ ์ด์ฌํ ์์ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ 2026๋ ์ ๊ฐ๋ฐ ๊ด์ ์์ TransMedics ์ ์ฅ ํ์๊ฒ ๋งค์ฐ ๋ฐ์ ํ ํด๊ฐ ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Patrick Wood: Morgan Stanley, Research Division Maybe then pivoting in towards liver, obviously, a critical organ for you guys. How are you finding things? Have you seen anything from incremental competition? How is the base market looking? How do you feel about the liver franchise? | **Patrick Wood:** ๊ฐ ๋ถ์ผ๋ก ๋์ด๊ฐ์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ์๋ฉด, ๋ถ๋ช ํ ์ ํฌ์๊ฒ ๋งค์ฐ ์ค์ํ ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ ๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ์ํฉ์ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๋ณด๊ณ ๊ณ์ ๊ฐ์? ์ถ๊ฐ์ ์ธ ๊ฒฝ์ ์ํฉ์์ ํน๋ณํ ๋์ ๋๋ ์ ์ด ์์ผ์ ์ง์? ๊ธฐ๋ณธ ์์ฅ์ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ๊ฐ ํ๋์ฐจ์ด์ฆ์ ๋ํด ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ํ๊ฐํ๊ณ ๊ณ์ ๊ฐ์? |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director We feel very good about the liver franchise. I think the market perceives anything that moves and does anything in the kidney as the case of death for TransMedics franchise. Guys, we are the lion's share of the kidney -- of the liver market in the United States, especially in DCD. And the DBD segment is growing. Competition is competition. You need to remember that this competition existed in the market from day one when we started. The reason why we've taken market share and maintaining market share is the outcomes. If we don't have the better outcomes, we wouldn't be here. Our rate of utilization is the highest reported in the entire history of liver transplant compared to the known competitors out there. With their -- our rate is 97.6%, their rate is somewhere between 50% and 65%. Our rate of the most complicated, the most costly post-liver transplant complication is 2.1%. Their rate is, just announced at the WTC, at 15% -- anywhere between 10% and 15% depending on the way they cut the data. So yes, there are competitors, but they are much inferior to the OCS with inferior outcomes, and that's why they're priced at a lower price. So we're not concerned about competition. We welcome competition. But our results speak for themselves. We're not threatened by any competitor. Sometimes we actually encourage centers that they bring up the price and say, "If I buy this x device, it's $5,000 or $10,000 cheaper than OCS." We say, "Go, try it, experience the outcome, you will come back." And that's exactly what happens. We need to be patient. We need to make -- we need to remember that we're early in this. We're only at 40%, 45% penetrated in the liver market. We still have a long way to go, and we're growing the top line in that market. So we just need to be patient. We stick to our knitting and continue to support our technology, and we continue to invest in innovation in that field because as you said earlier, Patrick, we're still losing 50% of the DCD livers today. We're going to be the company and the technology that can improve that rate of DCD donation. That will add significant top line growth to the liver transplant market as well. Do you see it differently, Gerardo? | **Waleed Hassanein:** ๊ฐ ํ๋์ฐจ์ด์ฆ์ ๋ํด์๋ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์์ฅ์์๋ ์ ์ฅ ๋ถ์ผ์์ ์์ง์์ ๋ณด์ด๋ ๋ชจ๋ ๊ฒ์ TransMedics ํ๋์ฐจ์ด์ฆ์ ์ํ์ผ๋ก ์ธ์ํ๋ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๊ฐ ์์ฅ, ํนํ DCD(์ฌ์ฅ์ฌ ํ ์ฅ๊ธฐ๊ธฐ์ฆ) ๋ถ์ผ์์ ์๋์ ์ธ ์ ์ ์จ์ ์ฐจ์งํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ DBD(๋์ฌ ํ ์ฅ๊ธฐ๊ธฐ์ฆ) ๋ถ๋ฌธ๋ ์ฑ์ฅํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ฒฝ์์ ๊ฒฝ์์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ๊ฒฝ์์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์์ํ ์ฒซ๋ ๋ถํฐ ์์ฅ์ ์กด์ฌํ๋ค๋ ์ ์ ๊ธฐ์ตํ์ ์ผ ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์์ฅ ์ ์ ์จ์ ํ๋ณดํ๊ณ ์ ์งํด์จ ์ด์ ๋ ๋ฐ๋ก ์์ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ ๋์ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๊ฐ ์์๋ค๋ฉด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ง๊ธ ์ฌ๊ธฐ ์์ง ๋ชปํ์ ๊ฒ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ํ์ฉ๋ฅ ์ ์๋ ค์ง ๋ชจ๋ ๊ฒฝ์์ฌ๋ค๊ณผ ๋น๊ตํ์ ๋ ๊ฐ ์ด์ ์ ์ฒด ์ญ์ฌ์ ๊ฐ์ฅ ๋์ ์์น๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ ์ฑ๊ณต๋ฅ ์ 97.6%์ธ ๋ฐ๋ฉด, ๊ฒฝ์์ฌ์ ์ฑ๊ณต๋ฅ ์ 50%์์ 65% ์ฌ์ด์ ๋๋ค. ๊ฐ ์ด์ ํ ๊ฐ์ฅ ๋ณต์กํ๊ณ ๋น์ฉ์ด ๋ง์ด ๋๋ ํฉ๋ณ์ฆ์ ๋ํ ์ ํฌ ๋ฐ์๋ฅ ์ 2.1%์ ๋๋ค. ๊ฒฝ์์ฌ์ ๋ฐ์๋ฅ ์ ์ต๊ทผ WTC์์ ๋ฐํ๋ ๋ฐ์ ๋ฐ๋ฅด๋ฉด ๋ฐ์ดํฐ ๋ถ์ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ 10%์์ 15% ์ฌ์ด์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ ์ต๋๋ค, ๊ฒฝ์์ฌ๋ค์ด ์กด์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ๊ทธ๋ค์ OCS์ ๋นํด ํจ์ฌ ์ด๋ฑํ๊ณ ์น๋ฃ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ ์ข์ง ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ๊ทธ๋ค์ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ์ด ๋ ๋ฎ์ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ ํฌ๋ ๊ฒฝ์์ ๋ํด ์ฐ๋ คํ์ง ์์ต๋๋ค. ์คํ๋ ค ๊ฒฝ์์ ํ์ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ์ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๊ฐ ๋ชจ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋งํด์ฃผ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ค ๊ฒฝ์์ฌ๋ ์ ํฌ์๊ฒ ์ํ์ด ๋์ง ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋๋ก๋ ์ผํฐ๋ค์ด ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ์ ๋ค๊ณ ์์ "์ด x ์ฅ๋น๋ฅผ ์ฌ๋ฉด OCS๋ณด๋ค 5์ฒ ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ 1๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ ์ ๋ ดํฉ๋๋ค"๋ผ๊ณ ๋งํ ๋, ์ ํฌ๋ ์ค์ ๋ก ์ด๋ ๊ฒ ๊ถ์ฅํฉ๋๋ค. "์ข์ต๋๋ค, ํ๋ฒ ์จ๋ณด์๊ณ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ฒฝํํด๋ณด์ธ์. ๋ค์ ๋์์ค์ค ๊ฒ๋๋ค." ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ค์ ๋ก ๊ทธ๋ ๊ฒ ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ธ๋ด์ฌ์ ๊ฐ์ ธ์ผ ํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ช ์ฌํด์ผ ํ ๊ฒ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์์ง ์ด๊ธฐ ๋จ๊ณ์ ์๋ค๋ ์ ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ฐ ์์ฅ์์ ๊ฒจ์ฐ 40~45% ์นจํฌ์จ์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ ๋ฟ์ ๋๋ค. ์์ง ๊ฐ ๊ธธ์ด ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ทธ ์์ฅ์์ ๋งค์ถ์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ํค๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฌ๋ ์ธ๋ด์ฌ์ ๊ฐ์ ธ์ผ ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๋ณธ์ ์ ์ถฉ์คํ๋ฉฐ ๊ธฐ์ ์ ๊ณ์ ์ง์ํ๊ณ , ์ด ๋ถ์ผ์ ํ์ ์ ๊ณ์ ํฌ์ํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์๋ํ๋ฉด Patrick์ด ์์ ๋ง์ํ์ จ๋ฏ์ด, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ฌ์ ํ DCD ๊ฐ์ 50%๋ฅผ ์๊ณ ์๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ DCD ๊ธฐ์ฆ๋ฅ ์ ๊ฐ์ ํ ์ ์๋ ํ์ฌ์ด์ ๊ธฐ์ ์ด ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ๊ฐ ์ด์ ์์ฅ์๋ ์๋นํ ๋งค์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๊ฐ์ ธ์ฌ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. Gerardo, ๋ค๋ฅด๊ฒ ๋ณด์๋์? |
| Patrick Wood: Morgan Stanley, Research Division I guess the -- with transplants as well, the negative outcomes are much more visible for the surgeon than, I don't know, like putting a TAVR valve in and 15 years later it degrades. It's more immediately discernible. So to your point around switching a little more sensitive maybe. Yes, that's interesting. You did also mention earlier OUS. And I know it's less of a priority for frankly, all of us for many reasons, at least for your market. But I'd love to hear like which markets you feel would be particularly suited and the national systems that have reached out for you to help? | **Patrick Wood:** ์ด์์์ ์ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ ๋ถ์ ์ ์ธ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๊ฐ ์ธ๊ณผ์์๊ฒ ํจ์ฌ ๋ ๊ฐ์์ ์ผ๋ก ๋๋ฌ๋ฉ๋๋ค. TAVR ํ๋ง์ ์ฝ์ ํ๊ณ 15๋ ํ์ ์ฑ๋ฅ์ด ์ ํ๋๋ ๊ฒ๊ณผ๋ ๋ค๋ฅด์ฃ . ์ฆ๊ฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ํ์ธ์ด ๊ฐ๋ฅํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ๋ง์ํ์ ๊ฒ์ฒ๋ผ ์ ํ์ ์์ด์ ์กฐ๊ธ ๋ ๋ฏผ๊ฐํ ์ ์๋ค๋ ์ , ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์์ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์ธ ์์ฅ(OUS)์ ๋ํด์๋ ์ธ๊ธํ์ จ๋๋ฐ์. ์ฌ๋ฌ ์ด์ ๋ก ์ ํฌ ์์ฅ์์๋ ์ฐ์ ์์๊ฐ ๋ฎ์ ๊ฒ์ด ์ฌ์ค์ ๋๋ค๋ง, ์ด๋ค ์์ฅ๋ค์ด ํนํ ์ ํฉํ๋ค๊ณ ๋ณด์๋์ง, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ด๋ค ๊ตญ๊ฐ ์๋ฃ ์์คํ ๋ค์ด ํ๋ ฅ์ ์์ฒญํด์๋์ง ๋ฃ๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director I will keep it high level. I think Europe is very important for us. The Middle East is very important for us. Australia is very important for us, and I'll leave it at that. And stay tuned. We want OUS to be a meaningful enough revenue that this group here focuses on, but we still have some work to do. | **Waleed Hassanein:** ํฐ ๊ทธ๋ฆผ์์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๋ฝ์ ์ ํฌ์๊ฒ ๋งค์ฐ ์ค์ํ ์์ฅ์ ๋๋ค. ์ค๋๋ ๋งค์ฐ ์ค์ํ๊ณ ์. ํธ์ฃผ ์ญ์ ๋ง์ฐฌ๊ฐ์ง์ ๋๋ค. ์ด ์ ๋๋ก ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์์ผ๋ก ์ง์ผ๋ด ์ฃผ์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ํด์ธ ๋งค์ถ(OUS)์ด ์ฌ๊ธฐ ๊ณ์ ๋ถ๋ค์ด ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ ๋งํผ ์๋ฏธ ์๋ ๊ท๋ชจ๊ฐ ๋๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ํ์ง๋ง, ์์ง ํด์ผ ํ ์ผ๋ค์ด ๋จ์์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Patrick Wood: Morgan Stanley, Research Division How much does geography matter? I can't imagine the politics of taking a liver from Switzerland to Germany. If you see what I mean, like the national borders. Is it just like large land mass that -- or are we just coming at it in the wrong way? And actually, all these countries have DCD organs that need to be used, and they're not getting used. | **Patrick Wood:** ์ง๋ฆฌ์ ์์ธ์ด ์ผ๋ง๋ ์ค์ํ๊ฐ์? ์ค์์ค์์ ๋ ์ผ๋ก ๊ฐ์ ์ด์กํ๋ ๊ฒ๊ณผ ๊ด๋ จ๋ ์ ์น์ ๋ฌธ์ ๋ฅผ ์์ํ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๋ง์, ๊ตญ๊ฒฝ ๋ฌธ์ ๋ง์ ๋๋ค. ๋จ์ํ ๋์ ๋๋ฅ ์ง์ญ์ ๋ฌธ์ ์ธ๊ฐ์, ์๋๋ฉด ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์๋ชป๋ ๋ฐฉํฅ์ผ๋ก ์ ๊ทผํ๊ณ ์๋ ๊ฑด๊ฐ์? ์ค์ ๋ก๋ ๋ชจ๋ ๊ตญ๊ฐ๋ค์ด ์ฌ์ฉ๋์ด์ผ ํ์ง๋ง ์ฌ์ฉ๋์ง ๋ชปํ๊ณ ์๋ DCD ์ฅ๊ธฐ๋ค์ ๋ณด์ ํ๊ณ ์๋ ๊ฒ ์๋๊ฐ์? |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director All of the above. All of the above. Many of the countries, except generally have DCD organs but we need to remember -- that they're not using. But we need to remember one important fact. European donors are a lot more challenging than U.S. donors. The average donor age in Europe is at least 10 years older. The complication of the donor dynamic with the high rate of smoking and high rate of hypertension, it's a much more challenging donor environment. So utilization rate is lower, the post-transplant outcomes are a lot worse than the United States and the management of transplant logistics is a lot more complicated because they don't have the critical mass to manage this. I was just in Italy meeting with the head of the equivalent of UNOS and he's telling me, "Waleed, every organ for me is a national allocation. I need planes. I need a logistics network like the NOP you have in the United States because I'm losing organs every day because I don't have access to transportation." So TransMedics and NOP can help many of the European geographies. One point you mentioned, Patrick, which is the sharing of organs among member states or nonmember states, this is actually something that's happening today. And if the OCS and NOP would to be active in Europe, that will increase sharing of organs across member states or nonmember states in Europe. It's something that's already happening because they want to maximize every organ to be transplanted because just the utilization rate is much lower than the U.S. | **Waleed Hassanein:** ์์ ๋ชจ๋ ์ฌํญ์ด ํด๋น๋ฉ๋๋ค. ๋ง์ ๊ตญ๊ฐ๋ค์ด ์ผ๋ฐ์ ์ผ๋ก DCD(์ฌ์ฅ์ฌ ํ ์ฅ๊ธฐ๊ธฐ์ฆ) ์ฅ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ ํ๊ณ ์์ง๋ง ์ฌ์ฉํ์ง ์๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ํ ๊ฐ์ง ์ค์ํ ์ฌ์ค์ ๊ธฐ์ตํด์ผ ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ ๋ฝ์ ์ฅ๊ธฐ ๊ธฐ์ฆ์๋ค์ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๊ธฐ์ฆ์๋ค๋ณด๋ค ํจ์ฌ ๋ ๊น๋ค๋ก์ด ์ํฉ์ ๋๋ค. ์ ๋ฝ์ ํ๊ท ๊ธฐ์ฆ์ ์ฐ๋ น์ ์ต์ 10๋ ์ด์ ๋์ต๋๋ค. ๋์ ํก์ฐ์จ๊ณผ ๊ณ ํ์ ์ ๋ณ๋ฅ ๋ก ์ธํ ๊ธฐ์ฆ์ ์ํ์ ๋ณต์ก์ฑ์ ๊ณ ๋ คํ๋ฉด, ํจ์ฌ ๋ ์ด๋ ค์ด ๊ธฐ์ฆ ํ๊ฒฝ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ํ์ฉ๋ฅ ์ด ๋ฎ๊ณ , ์ด์ ํ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ๋ณด๋ค ํจ์ฌ ์ข์ง ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด์ ๋ฌผ๋ฅ ๊ด๋ฆฌ๋ ํจ์ฌ ๋ ๋ณต์กํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฅผ ๊ด๋ฆฌํ ๋งํ ์ถฉ๋ถํ ๊ท๋ชจ๊ฐ ์๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ์ต๊ทผ ์ดํ๋ฆฌ์์์ UNOS์ ํด๋นํ๋ ๊ธฐ๊ด์ ์ฑ ์์๋ฅผ ๋ง๋ฌ๋๋ฐ, ๊ทธ๋ถ์ด ์ด๋ ๊ฒ ๋ง์ํ์๋๊ตฐ์. "Waleed, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๋ชจ๋ ์ฅ๊ธฐ๊ฐ ๊ตญ๊ฐ ๋จ์๋ก ๋ฐฐ๋ถ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ NOP์ ๊ฐ์ ๋ฌผ๋ฅ ๋คํธ์ํฌ์ ํญ๊ณต ์ด์ก์ด ํ์ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด์ก ์๋จ์ด ์์ด์ ๋งค์ผ ์ฅ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค." ๋ฐ๋ผ์ TransMedics์ NOP๋ ์ ๋ฝ์ ๋ง์ ์ง์ญ์ ๋์์ ์ค ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. Patrick๊ป์ ์ธ๊ธํ์ ํ์๊ตญ ๊ฐ ๋๋ ๋นํ์๊ตญ ๊ฐ ์ฅ๊ธฐ ๊ณต์ ๋ ์ค์ ๋ก ํ์ฌ๋ ์ด๋ฃจ์ด์ง๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ง์ฝ OCS์ NOP๊ฐ ์ ๋ฝ์์ ํ์ฑํ๋๋ค๋ฉด, ์ ๋ฝ ๋ด ํ์๊ตญ ๊ฐ ๋๋ ๋นํ์๊ตญ ๊ฐ ์ฅ๊ธฐ ๊ณต์ ๊ฐ ๋์ฑ ์ฆ๊ฐํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฏธ ์งํ๋๊ณ ์๋ ์ผ์ ๋๋ค. ์๋ํ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋ค์ ์ด์ ๊ฐ๋ฅํ ๋ชจ๋ ์ฅ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ต๋ํ ํ์ฉํ๊ณ ์ ํ๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ๋จ์ํ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ๋ณด๋ค ํ์ฉ๋ฅ ์ด ํจ์ฌ ๋ฎ๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ . |
| Patrick Wood: Morgan Stanley, Research Division I've got a slightly hedge fund question for you guys, including on the guide, which is basically, you've obviously got the heart and lung trials that they're ongoing. And the numbers aren't small in terms of number of patients. How do we think about those volumes relative to your existing outlook and guide? Because -- are they incremental? Would they have been patients that you would have, to your mind, collected anyway, do you see what I mean? It's not a small number of... | **Patrick Wood:** ๋ชจ๊ฑด์คํ ๋ฆฌ ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ์กฐ๊ธ ๋ณต์กํ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค์ ๊ด๋ จ๋ ๋ด์ฉ์ธ๋ฐ์, ํ์ฌ ์งํ ์ค์ธ ์ฌ์ฅ ๋ฐ ํ ์์์ํ๋ค์ด ์๊ณ , ํ์ ์ ๊ท๋ชจ๋ ์๋นํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ํ์ ์๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ์กด ์ ๋ง์น ๋ฐ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค์ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๋น๊ตํด์ ๋ด์ผ ํ ๊น์? ์ ์ง๋ฌธ ์ทจ์ง๋, ์ด ํ์๋ค์ด ์ฆ๋ถ(incremental)์ธ๊ฐ์? ์๋๋ฉด ์ด์ฐจํผ ํ๋ณดํ์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ๋ ํ์๋ค์ธ๊ฐ์? ๋ฌด์จ ๋ง์์ธ์ง ์์๊ฒ ์ฃ ? ํ์ ์๊ฐ ์ ์ง ์๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์... |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director Yes, they're not impacting the guide for this year. They're impacting the growth for next year for sure. Just the timing is not going to really make any meaningful impact in '25. But yes, the numbers are large, and they should impact growth for 2026. And no, we're not cannibalizing our existing market because if you look at the two trials, the lung is a complete -- it's -- literally, it's we're resurrecting the lung completely. So every organ is an incremental organ. On the heart, the bulk of the heart trial is an indication that we currently do not have in the United States. So these are incremental organs. | **Waleed Hassanein:** ๋ค, ์ฌํด ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค์๋ ์ํฅ์ ๋ฏธ์น์ง ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ด๋
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๋๋ค. ๋ค๋ง ์๊ธฐ์ '25๋
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๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ๊ท๋ชจ ์์ฒด๋ ํฌ๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ 2026๋
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๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์๋์, ๊ธฐ์กด ์์ฅ์ ์ ์ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์๋๋๋ค. ๋ ์์์ํ์ ๋ณด์๋ฉด, ํ์ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ ์์ ํ ์๋ก์ด ์์ญ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ง ๊ทธ๋๋ก ํ๋ฅผ ์์ ํ ๋์ด๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ฒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๋ชจ๋ ์ฅ๊ธฐ๊ฐ ์ถ๊ฐ์ ์ธ ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ ๋๋ค. ์ฌ์ฅ์ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ, ์์์ํ์ ๋๋ถ๋ถ์ด ํ์ฌ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๋ณด์ ํ์ง ์์ ์ ์์ฆ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ด๊ฒ๋ค์ ๋ชจ๋ ์ถ๊ฐ์ ์ธ ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Patrick Wood: Morgan Stanley, Research Division I just wanted it on paper. The -- I always -- I ask everybody this, but I feel like especially for your company, like the market focuses on very specific areas and very specific topics. I won't ask what you think people focus on too much because I think I already know the answer to that. But instead, it will be like, what do you focus on and you're surprised that other people don't bring up? Do you -- like what doesn't get the attention that you think is worth it? | **Patrick Wood:** ๋ชจ๊ฑด์คํ ๋ฆฌ ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ธฐ๋ก์ผ๋ก ๋จ๊ธฐ๊ณ ์ถ์ด์์. ์ ๋ ํญ์ ๋ชจ๋ ๋ถ๋ค๊ป ์ด ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ฆฌ๋๋ฐ, ํนํ ๊ท์ฌ์ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ ์์ฅ์ด ๋งค์ฐ ํน์ ํ ์์ญ๊ณผ ์ฃผ์ ์๋ง ์ง์คํ๋ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋๋ค์ด ๋๋ฌด ์ง์คํ๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํ์๋ ๋ถ๋ถ์ ๋ฌป์ง ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ ๋ต์ ์ด๋ฏธ ์ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ๊ฑฐ๋ ์. ๋์ ์ ์ด๋ ๊ฒ ์ฌ์ญค๋ณด๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ฒฝ์์ง๊ป์ ์ง์คํ์๋๋ฐ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์ฌ๋๋ค์ ๋ณ๋ก ์ธ๊ธํ์ง ์์์ ๋๋ผ์ด ๋ถ๋ถ์ด ์์ผ์ ๊ฐ์? ์ถฉ๋ถํ ๊ด์ฌ์ ๋ฐ์ง ๋ชปํ๊ณ ์์ง๋ง ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ ๊ฐ์น๊ฐ ์๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํ์๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์์ผ์ ์ง์? |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director I think, listen, if you're going to focus on every month-to-month variability, quarter-to-quarter variability in organ transplant, you should really -- you should not hold TransMedic stock, seriously. It's about looking at the long term, look at TransMedics at 20,000 or 30,000 organ under our wing in the United States alone and doubling that worldwide. That's what we're building in TransMedics. And yes, there will be seasonalities. There will be variabilities. There is a reason why TransMedics doesn't announce the full penetration except at year-end because we know there's variability, we've said that from day one. That's number one. Number two, we are still early. Yes, we've achieved significant success in a short period of time, but it's still early. We got to allow the time for the health -- the transplant market to digest the level of innovation that TransMedics has injected into it in the U.S. and watch what the potential is for OUS. We're very, very excited about where we are. And again, this is not just a word of mouth. My personal action in this quarter speaks for itself. And somebody asked me earlier today, "Waleed, why now?" Guys, I wanted to buy stock a lot earlier than now. But I was prohibited by corporate counsel because I made a 10b5-1 transaction last October, and I had to wait 6 months. Otherwise, I would trigger some bad thing. So... | **Waleed Hassanein:** ๋งค๋ฌ, ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ง๋ค ๋ฐ์ํ๋ ์ฅ๊ธฐ ์ด์์ ๋ณ๋์ฑ์ ์ง์คํ์ ๋ค๋ฉด, ์์งํ ๋ง์๋๋ ค์ ํธ๋์ค๋ฉ๋์ค ์ฃผ์์ ๋ณด์ ํ์ง ์์ผ์๋ ๊ฒ ์ข์ต๋๋ค. ์ค์ํ ๊ฑด ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ ๊ด์ ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์์๋ง 2๋ง~3๋ง ๊ฐ์ ์ฅ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ์์คํ ์ผ๋ก ๊ด๋ฆฌํ๊ณ , ์ ์ธ๊ณ์ ์ผ๋ก๋ ๊ทธ ๋ ๋ฐฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ๋ ๊ฒ, ์ด๊ฒ์ด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ํธ๋์ค๋ฉ๋์ค์์ ๊ตฌ์ถํ๊ณ ์๋ ๋ฏธ๋์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก ๊ณ์ ์ฑ๋ ์๊ณ ๋ณ๋์ฑ๋ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํธ๋์ค๋ฉ๋์ค๊ฐ ์ฐ๋ง์๋ง ์ ์ฒด ์นจํฌ์จ์ ๋ฐํํ๋ ๋ฐ๋ ์ด์ ๊ฐ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ณ๋์ฑ์ด ์กด์ฌํ๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ์ฒ์๋ถํฐ ๋ง์๋๋ ธ๊ณ , ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ ์๊ณ ์๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ด ์ฒซ ๋ฒ์งธ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ ๋ฒ์งธ๋ก, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ฌ์ ํ ์ด๊ธฐ ๋จ๊ณ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์งง์ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ์ ์๋นํ ์ฑ๊ณต์ ๊ฑฐ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋ง์ง๋ง, ์์ง ์ด๊ธฐ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๋ด ์ด์ ์์ฅ์ด TransMedics๊ฐ ์ฃผ์ ํ ํ์ ์ ์์ค์ ์ํํ ์๊ฐ์ ์ฃผ๊ณ , ํด์ธ ์์ฅ์ ์ ์ฌ๋ ฅ์ด ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์ ๊ฐ๋๋์ง ์ง์ผ๋ด์ผ ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ํ์ฌ ์ด๋์ ์ ์๋์ง์ ๋ํด ์ ๋ง ๋งค์ฐ ํฅ๋ถ๋์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋ค์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ์ง๋ง, ์ด๊ฑด ๋จ์ํ ๋ง๋ฟ์ด ์๋๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ ๊ฐ ์ง์ ์ทจํ ํ๋์ด ๊ทธ ์์ฒด๋ก ๋ชจ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋งํด์ค๋๋ค. ์ค๋ ์ผ์ฐ ๋๊ตฐ๊ฐ ์ ๊ฒ "Waleed, ์ ์ง๊ธ์ธ๊ฐ์?"๋ผ๊ณ ๋ฌผ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ, ์ ๋ ์ง๊ธ๋ณด๋ค ํจ์ฌ ๋ ์ผ์ฐ ์ฃผ์์ ๋งค์ํ๊ณ ์ถ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์๋ 10์์ 10b5-1 ๊ฑฐ๋๋ฅผ ํ๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๋ฒ๋ฌดํ์์ ๊ธ์งํ๊ณ , 6๊ฐ์์ ๊ธฐ๋ค๋ ค์ผ ํ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ ์ง ์์ผ๋ฉด ๋ฌธ์ ๊ฐ ๋ฐ์ํ ์ ์์๊ฑฐ๋ ์. ๊ทธ๋์... |
| Patrick Wood: Morgan Stanley, Research Division Perfect timing, actually. Gerardo and Waleed, thank you so much. | **Patrick Wood:** ์๋ฒฝํ ํ์ด๋ฐ์ด๋ค์. Gerardo์ Waleed, ์ ๋ง ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director Thank you, Patrick. | **Waleed Hassanein:** ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค, ํจํธ๋ฆญ. |
| CFO & Treasurer: Thank you. | **CFO & Treasurer:** ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. |
| Waleed Hassanein: Founder, President, CEO & Director Appreciate it. Thank you. | **Waleed Hassanein:** ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ณ ๋ง์ต๋๋ค. |
# TransMedics ์ค์ ๋ฐํ ์์ฝ
**์ฃผ์ ์ฑ๊ณผ ๋ฐ ๋ชฉํ**
- ํ์ฌ๋ ๋น์ด ๋ชฉํ์๋ ์ฐ๊ฐ 10,000๊ฑด์ ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ด์์ ์ด๋ฏธ ๋ด๋ถ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, 2030๋
๊น์ง 20,000~30,000๊ฑด์ผ๋ก ๋ชฉํ๋ฅผ ์ํฅ ์กฐ์
- NOP(National OPO Program) ๋ฐ ํญ๊ณต ๋ฌผ๋ฅ ์์ง ๊ณ์ดํ๋ฅผ ๋น์ด ๊ณํ๋ณด๋ค 5๋
์๋น๊ฒจ ๋ฌ์ฑํ๋ฉฐ ์์ฅ ์ ์ ์จ ํ๋
- ๊ฐ ์ด์ ์์ฅ์์ DCD(์ฌ์ฅ์ฌ ํ ์ฅ๊ธฐ๊ธฐ์ฆ) ๋ถ๋ฌธ ์ ์ ์จ 97.6%์ ๋์ ํ์ฉ๋ฅ ๊ธฐ๋กํ๋ฉฐ ๊ฒฝ์์ฌ ๋๋น ์ฐ์ ์ ์ง
**์ฌ๋ฌด ๋ฐ ์ด์ ์ ๋ต**
- 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ๊ณ์ ์ ๋ณ๋์ฑ ์์๋๋ ์ผ์์ ํ์์ผ๋ก ํ๋จํ๋ฉฐ, ์ฐ๊ฐ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค ๋ฌ์ฑ์ ์์ ๊ฐ ํ๋ช
- ์ง์ ์ด์ก ๋น์ค์ด 20%์์ 40%๋ก ์ฆ๊ฐํ๋ฉฐ ํญ๊ณต๊ธฐ ํฌ์ ํจ์จ์ฑ ์ ๊ณ ์ค. 10,000๊ฑด ์ด์ ๋ฌ์ฑ ์ํด ์ถ๊ฐ ํญ๊ณต๊ธฐ ํ์ํ๋ ์ด์ค ๊ต๋ ์ด์์ผ๋ก ์ต์ ํ ํ ํฌ์ ๊ฒฐ์ ์์
- 7๋
๊ฐ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ์ธ์ ์์ด ๊ฐ์ฅ ๋น์ฉ ํจ์จ์ ์ธ ์ด์ ์๋น์ค ์ ๊ณต ์ค์ด๋ฉฐ, ์์
๋ณดํ์ฌ๋ค์ ๊ฐ์น ์ธ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ฑํ๋ฅ ์ฆ๊ฐ
**์ ๊ท ์ฌ์
๋ฐ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ**
- ์ ์ฅ ์ด์์ฉ 3์ธ๋ OCS ๊ธฐ์ ๊ฐ๋ฐ ์ค์ด๋ฉฐ 2027๋
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