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| U.S. Bancorp (NYSE:USB) Q3 2025 Earnings Call October 16, 2025 9:00 AM EDT Company Participants George Andersen - Senior VP & Director of Investor Relations Gunjan Kedia - President & CEO John Stern - Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer Conference Call Participants John McDonald - Truist Securities, Inc., Research Division John Pancari - Evercore ISI Institutional Equities, Research Division Kenneth Usdin - Bernstein Autonomous LLP Ebrahim Poonawala - BofA Securities, Research Division Michael Mayo - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division Saul Martinez - HSBC Global Investment Research Gerard Cassidy - RBC Capital Markets, Research Division L. | U.S. Bancorp (NYSE:USB) 2025๋
3๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค์ ๋ฐํ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค์ฝ 2025๋
10์ 16์ผ ์ค์ 9:00 EDT ํ์ฌ ์ฐธ์์ ์กฐ์ง ์ค๋์จ - ํฌ์์ ๊ด๊ณ ๋ด๋น ์์ ๋ถ์ฌ์ฅ ๊ฒธ ์ด์ฌ ๊ตฐ์ ์ผ๋์ - ์ฌ์ฅ ๊ฒธ CEO ์กด ์คํด - ๋ถํ์ฅ ๊ฒธ CFO ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค์ฝ ์ฐธ์์ ์กด ๋งฅ๋๋ ๋ - ํธ๋ฃจ์ด์คํธ ์ํ๋ฆฌํฐ์ฆ, ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ์กด ํ์นด๋ฆฌ - ์๋ฒ์ฝ์ด ISI ๊ธฐ๊ดํฌ์์ ์ฃผ์๋ถ๋ฌธ, ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ์ผ๋ค์ค ์ฐ์ค๋ - ๋ฒ์คํ์ธ ์คํ ๋ ธ๋จธ์ค LLP ์๋ธ๋ผํ ํธ๋์๋ผ - ๋ฑ ํฌ์ค๋ธ์๋ฉ๋ฆฌ์นด ์ํ๋ฆฌํฐ์ฆ, ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ๋ง์ดํด ๋ง์ - ์ฐ์คํ๊ณ ์ํ๋ฆฌํฐ์ฆ LLC, ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ์ฌ์ธ ๋ง๋ฅดํฐ๋ค์ฆ - HSBC ๊ธ๋ก๋ฒ ํฌ์ ๋ฆฌ์์น ์ ๋ผ๋ ์บ์๋ - RBC ์บํผํธ ๋ง์ผ์ธ , ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ L. |
| Erika Penala - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division Betsy Graseck - Morgan Stanley, Research Division Christopher McGratty - Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division Matthew O'Connor - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division Vivek Juneja - JPMorgan Chase & Co, Research Division Robert Siefers - Piper Sandler & Co., Research Division Presentation Operator Welcome to the U.S. Bancorp's Third Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] This call will be recorded and available for replay beginning today at approximately 11:00 a.m. Central Time. I will now turn the conference over to George Andersen, Director of Investor Relations for U.S. Bancorp. | ์๋ฆฌ์นด ํ๋ ๋ผ - UBS ์ธ๋ฒ ์คํธ๋จผํธ ๋ฑ
ํฌ, ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ๋ฒ ์น ๊ทธ๋ผ์น - ๋ชจ๊ฑด ์คํ ๋ฆฌ, ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ํฌ๋ฆฌ์คํ ํผ ๋งฅ๊ทธ๋ํฐ - ํคํ, ๋ธ๋คผ์ํธ & ์ฐ์ฆ, ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ๋งคํ ์ค์ฝ๋ - ๋์ด์ฒด ๋ฑ ํฌ AG, ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ๋น๋ฒก ์ฃผ๋ค์ - JP๋ชจ๊ฑด ์ฒด์ด์ค ์ค ์ปดํผ๋, ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ๋ก๋ฒํธ ์ํผ์ค - ํ์ดํผ ์๋ค๋ฌ ์ค ์ปดํผ๋, ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ๋ฐํ ์ด์์ U.S. ๋ฑ ์ฝํ์ 2025๋ 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค์ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค ์ฝ์ ์ค์ ๊ฒ์ ํ์ํฉ๋๋ค. [์ด์์ ์๋ด์ฌํญ] ์ด ํตํ๋ ๋ น์๋๋ฉฐ ์ค๋ ์ค๋ถ ํ์ค์ ๊ธฐ์ค ์ค์ 11์๊ฒฝ๋ถํฐ ์ฌ์ ๊ฐ๋ฅํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด์ U.S. ๋ฑ ์ฝํ์ ํฌ์์ ๊ด๊ณ ๋ด๋น ๋๋ ํฐ์ธ ์กฐ์ง ์ค๋์จ์๊ฒ ํ์๋ฅผ ๋๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| George Andersen Senior VP & Director of Investor Relations Thank you, [ John-Louis ], and good morning, everyone. Joining me today in Minneapolis is our Chief Executive Officer, Gunjan Kedia, and Vice Chair and CFO, John Stern. In a moment, Gunjan and John will reference a slide presentation together with their prepared remarks. A copy of the presentation, our press release and all supplemental consolidated schedules are available on our website at ir.usbank.com. Please note that any forward-looking statements made during today's call are subject to risks and uncertainties that can cause our actual results to differ materially from our current expectations. | ์กฐ์ง ์ค๋์จ ์์ ๋ถ์ฌ์ฅ ๊ฒธ ํฌ์์ ๊ด๊ณ ๋ด๋น ์ด์ฌ [์กด-๋ฃจ์ด์ค], ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ, ์๋ ํ์ธ์. ์ค๋ ๋ฏธ๋์ ํด๋ฆฌ์ค์์ ์ ์ ํจ๊ปํ๊ณ ๊ณ์ ๋ถ๋ค์ ์ต๊ณ ๊ฒฝ์์ ๊ตฐ์ ์ผ๋์์ ๋ถํ์ฅ ๊ฒธ ์ต๊ณ ์ฌ๋ฌด์ฑ ์์ ์กด ์คํด์ ๋๋ค. ์ ์ ํ ๊ตฐ์๊ณผ ์กด์ด ์ค๋น๋ ๋ฐ์ธ๊ณผ ํจ๊ป ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ ํ๋ ์ ํ ์ด์ ์ ์ฐธ์กฐํ ์์ ์ ๋๋ค. ํ๋ ์ ํ ์ด์ ์ฌ๋ณธ, ๋ณด๋์๋ฃ ๋ฐ ๋ชจ๋ ๋ณด์ถฉ ์ฐ๊ฒฐ ์ผ์ ํ๋ ์ ํฌ ์น์ฌ์ดํธ ir.usbank.com์์ ํ์ธํ์ค ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ค๋ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค ์ฝ์์ ์ธ๊ธ๋๋ ๋ชจ๋ ๋ฏธ๋์ ๋ง์ง์ ์ ์ํ์์์ ๋ถํ์ค์ฑ์ ์๋ฐํ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ก ์ธํด ์ค์ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๊ฐ ํ์ฌ ๊ธฐ๋์น์ ํฌ๊ฒ ๋ค๋ฅผ ์ ์์์ ์ ์ํด ์ฃผ์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค. |
| These factors are described on Page 2 of today's earnings presentation in our press release and in reports filed with the SEC. Following our prepared remarks, Gunjan and John will be happy to answer your questions. I will now turn the call over to Gunjan. Gunjan Kedia President & CEO Thank you, George, and good morning, everyone. If I could please turn your attention to Slide 3. In the third quarter, we reported earnings per share of $1.22, an increase of 18.4% year-over-year. Our net revenue of $7.3 billion was a quarterly record, reflecting both strong momentum across our fee businesses and improved spread income. | ์ด๋ฌํ ์์ธ๋ค์ ์ค๋ ์ค์ ๋ฐํ์๋ฃ 2ํ์ด์ง์ ๋ณด๋์๋ฃ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ SEC์ ์ ์ถ๋ ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ ์ค๋ช
๋์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ค๋น๋ ๋ฐ์ธ์ด ๋๋ ํ, ๊ตฐ์๊ณผ ์กด์ด ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๊ธฐ๊บผ์ด ๋ต๋ณํด ๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด์ ๊ตฐ์์๊ฒ ๋ฐ์ธ๊ถ์ ๋๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ตฐ์ ์ผ๋์ ์ฌ์ฅ ๊ฒธ CEO ์กฐ์ง, ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ, ์๋ ํ์ธ์. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 3์ ๋ด์ฃผ์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค. 3๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ ํฌ๋ ์ฃผ๋น์์ด์ต 1.22๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ์ ๋ ๋๊ธฐ ๋๋น 18.4% ์ฆ๊ฐํ ์์น์ ๋๋ค. ์์์ต์ 73์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ก ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๊ธฐ์ค ์ต๊ณ ์น๋ฅผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ์์๋ฃ ์ฌ์ ์ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ๋ชจ๋ฉํ ๊ณผ ์คํ๋ ๋ ์์ต ๊ฐ์ ์ด ๋ชจ๋ ๋ฐ์๋ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ์ ๋๋ค. |
| This quarter, we generated a very meaningful 530 basis points of positive operating leverage, a return on average assets of 1.17% and a net interest margin of 2.75%. John will provide more details on our financial performance in his opening remarks. Importantly, we are making strong progress against each of our 3 strategic priorities for our company. We are generating organic growth through distinctive interconnected solutions. We are maintaining our expense discipline through sustainable process automation, and we are executing on our payments transformation with greater focus and strategic investments. | ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ ํฌ๋ ๋งค์ฐ ์๋ฏธ ์๋ 530bp์ ๊ธ์ ์ ์์ ๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง๋ฅผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ํ๊ท ์์ฐ์์ต๋ฅ (ROA) 1.17%, ์์ด์๋ง์ง(NIM) 2.75%๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ต๋๋ค. ์กด์ด ๊ฐํ์ฌ์์ ์ ํฌ ์ฌ๋ฌด์ฑ๊ณผ์ ๋ํด ๋ ์์ธํ ์ค๋ช ๋๋ฆด ์์ ์ ๋๋ค. ์ค์ํ ์ ์ ์ ํฌ ํ์ฌ์ 3๋ ์ ๋ต์ ์ฐ์ ์์ ๊ฐ๊ฐ์ ๋ํด ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์ง์ ์ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ์ฐจ๋ณํ๋ ์ํธ์ฐ๊ฒฐ ์๋ฃจ์ ์ ํตํด ์ ๊ธฐ์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ์ฐฝ์ถํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ง์๊ฐ๋ฅํ ํ๋ก์ธ์ค ์๋ํ๋ฅผ ํตํด ๋น์ฉ ์ ์ ๋ฅผ ์ ์งํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ๋ณด๋ค ์ง์ค๋ ์ ๋ต์ ํฌ์๋ก ๊ฒฐ์ ํ์ ์ ์คํํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| And as we manage the bank for the long run through both positive and uncertain times, our highly diversified balance sheet and foundational risk management capabilities delivered improved credit quality and stronger capital and liquidity levels this quarter. Moving to Slide 4. Fee income diversification is a key source of strength for the company. On the left, you will see that fee revenue grew at 9.5% on a year-over-year basis, reflecting broad-based strength across our payments, institutional and consumer businesses. Notably, interest rate movements this quarter supported a meaningful acceleration in select capital markets and mortgage revenues. | ๊ธ์ ์ ์ด๊ณ ๋ถํ์คํ ์๊ธฐ ๋ชจ๋๋ฅผ ๊ฑฐ์ณ ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ํ์ ์ด์ํ๋ฉด์, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ๊ณ ๋๋ก ๋ค๊ฐํ๋ ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ์ ๊ทผ๋ณธ์ ์ธ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ ๊ด๋ฆฌ ์ญ๋์ ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๊ฐ์ ๋ ์ ์ฉ ํ์ง๊ณผ ๋ ๊ฐํ๋ ์๋ณธ ๋ฐ ์ ๋์ฑ ์์ค์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 4๋ก ๋์ด๊ฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์์๋ฃ ์์ต์ ๋ค๊ฐํ๋ ํ์ฌ์ ํต์ฌ ๊ฐ์ ์ ๋๋ค. ์ผ์ชฝ์ ๋ณด์๋ฉด ์์๋ฃ ์์ต์ด ์ ๋ ๋๊ธฐ ๋๋น 9.5% ์ฑ์ฅํ ๊ฒ์ ํ์ธํ ์ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ๊ฒฐ์ , ๊ธฐ๊ด ๋ฐ ์๋น์ ์ฌ์ ์ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฑธ์น ๊ด๋ฒ์ํ ๊ฐ์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ์ํฉ๋๋ค. ํนํ ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๊ธ๋ฆฌ ๋ณ๋์ ํน์ ์๋ณธ์์ฅ ๋ฐ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง ์์ต์ ์๋ฏธ ์๋ ๊ฐ์ํ๋ฅผ ๋ท๋ฐ์นจํ์ต๋๋ค. |
| On the right, we highlight 5 key businesses that have demonstrated strong year-over-year growth and that we believe present a favorable growth outlook. Collectively, these businesses represented approximately 2/3 of our total fee revenue this quarter. Turning to Slide 5. We spotlight one additional business, Impact Finance. With the Union Bank acquisition, we bolstered our platform, bringing improved tax credit syndication capabilities, new talent and increased access to the California market. Currently reported within the other revenue, Impact Finance has grown at a 17% CAGR from 2021 to 2024 and is an important mission-driven capability that is core to our fee income portfolio. | ์ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ์์๋ ์ ๋ ๋๋น ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ณด์ฌ์ฃผ์์ผ๋ฉฐ ํฅํ์๋ ์ ๋ฆฌํ ์ฑ์ฅ ์ ๋ง์ ์ ์ํ๋ค๊ณ ํ๋จ๋๋ 5๊ฐ ํต์ฌ ์ฌ์ ์ ๊ฐ์กฐํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ค ์ฌ์ ์ ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ด ์์๋ฃ ์์ต์ ์ฝ 3๋ถ์ 2๋ฅผ ์ฐจ์งํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 5๋ก ๋์ด๊ฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ถ๊ฐ๋ก ํ ๊ฐ์ง ์ฌ์ ์ธ ์ํฉํธ ํ์ด๋ธ์ค๋ฅผ ์กฐ๋ช ํด๋ณด๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๋์จ๋ฑ ํฌ ์ธ์๋ฅผ ํตํด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ํ๋ซํผ์ ๊ฐํํ์ฌ ๊ฐ์ ๋ ์ธ์ก๊ณต์ ์ ๋์ผ์ด์ ์ญ๋, ์๋ก์ด ์ธ์ฌ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์บ๋ฆฌํฌ๋์ ์์ฅ์ ๋ํ ํ๋๋ ์ ๊ทผ์ฑ์ ํ๋ณดํ์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ๊ธฐํ ์์ต์ผ๋ก ๋ณด๊ณ ๋๊ณ ์๋ ์ํฉํธ ํ์ด๋ธ์ค๋ 2021๋ ๋ถํฐ 2024๋ ๊น์ง 17%์ ์ฐํ๊ท ์ฑ์ฅ๋ฅ (CAGR)์ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ์์๋ฃ ์์ต ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค์ ํต์ฌ์ ์ด๋ฃจ๋ ์ค์ํ ๋ฏธ์ ์ค์ฌ ์ญ๋์ ๋๋ค. |
| Over the next several years, we anticipate additional growth from a pull forward of activity tied to some recent executive orders and expect revenue trends across our environmental finance, affordable housing and community finance solutions to remain robust. In addition, the business also supports a net tax benefit to the company, which we believe will continue to be a meaningful driver of bottom line EPS growth. Slide 6 showcases our growing consumer franchise and long-term deposit strategy. Our deposit base is highly diversified across clients, geographies and products, providing strength and stability through the cycle. | ํฅํ ๋ช ๋ ๊ฐ ์ต๊ทผ ํ์ ๋ช ๋ น๊ณผ ๊ด๋ จ๋ ํ๋์ ์๋น๊ฒจ์ง ์์๋ก ์ธํ ์ถ๊ฐ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ์์ํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ํ๊ฒฝ๊ธ์ต, ์ ์๋์ธต ์ฃผํ๊ธ์ต, ์ง์ญ์ฌํ ๊ธ์ต ์๋ฃจ์ ์ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฑธ์น ๋งค์ถ ์ถ์ธ๊ฐ ๊ฒฌ์กฐํจ์ ์ ์งํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์ ๋งํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ํ ์ด ์ฌ์ ๋ถ๋ ํ์ฌ์ ์ ์ธ์ ํํ์ ์ ๊ณตํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ๊ณ์ํด์ ์ฃผ๋น์์ด์ต(EPS) ์ฑ์ฅ์ ์๋ฏธ ์๋ ๋๋ ฅ์ด ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ํ๋จ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 6์์๋ ์ฑ์ฅํ๋ ์๋น์ ํ๋์ฐจ์ด์ฆ์ ์ฅ๊ธฐ ์๊ธ ์ ๋ต์ ๋ณด์ฌ๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋น์ฌ์ ์๊ธ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ, ์ง์ญ, ์ํ์ ๊ฑธ์ณ ๊ณ ๋๋ก ๋ค๊ฐํ๋์ด ์์ด ๊ฒฝ๊ธฐ ์ฌ์ดํด ์ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฑธ์ณ ๊ฐ์ ๊ณผ ์์ ์ฑ์ ์ ๊ณตํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| We are actively working to increase our share of consumer deposits with interconnected products like Bank Smartly, branch and client center expansions, partnerships and enhanced marketing and analytical capabilities. Consumer deposits now represent over 52% of total average deposits, up nearly 2 points from the third quarter of 2023. Moving to Slide 7. Our expense discipline over the last 2 years and execution on 4 signature productivity programs has resulted in improved organic growth and greater operational efficiencies. | ์ ํฌ๋ Bank Smartly์ ๊ฐ์ ์ํธ ์ฐ๊ฒฐ๋ ์ํ๋ค, ์ง์ ๋ฐ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ผํฐ ํ์ฅ, ํํธ๋์ญ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ฐํ๋ ๋ง์ผํ ๋ฐ ๋ถ์ ์ญ๋์ ํตํด ์๋น์ ์๊ธ ์ ์ ์จ์ ์ ๊ทน์ ์ผ๋ก ๋๋ ค๊ฐ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์๋น์ ์๊ธ์ ํ์ฌ ์ ์ฒด ํ๊ท ์๊ธ์ 52% ์ด์์ ์ฐจ์งํ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ 2023๋ 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น ๊ฑฐ์ 2ํฌ์ธํธ ์์นํ ์์น์ ๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 7๋ก ๋์ด๊ฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ง๋ 2๋ ๊ฐ์ ๋น์ฉ ์ ์ ์ 4๊ฐ ํต์ฌ ์์ฐ์ฑ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ์คํ์ ํตํด ๊ฐ์ ๋ ์ ๊ธฐ์ ์ฑ์ฅ๊ณผ ๋ ํฐ ์ด์ ํจ์จ์ฑ์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ต๋๋ค. |
| As you can see on the left, the outcomes of our efforts have been quite successful as we have seen steady improvement to both the efficiency ratio and positive operating leverage as adjusted. Turning to Slide 8. Our payments transformation remains a key strategic priority for our company. As the charts on the left show, we have seen steady improvement and more consistent year-over-year fee growth over the last several quarters across both our traditional card issuing and merchant processing businesses. We are looking forward to providing a deeper dive into our payments transformation and strategy at an upcoming industry conference in the fall. Let me now turn the call over to John. | ์ผ์ชฝ์์ ๋ณด์๋ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฐ์ด, ์ ํฌ์ ๋ ธ๋ ฅ์ ๋ํ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ ์๋นํ ์ฑ๊ณต์ ์ด์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ํจ์จ์ฑ ๋น์จ๊ณผ ์กฐ์ ๊ธฐ์ค ๊ธ์ ์ ์์ ๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง ๋ชจ๋์์ ๊พธ์คํ ๊ฐ์ ์ ๋ณด์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 8๋ก ๋์ด๊ฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ์ ๊ฒฐ์ ์ฌ์ ์ ํ์ ํ์ฌ์ ํต์ฌ ์ ๋ต์ ์ฐ์ ์์๋ก ๋จ์์์ต๋๋ค. ์ผ์ชฝ ์ฐจํธ์์ ๋ณด์๋ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฐ์ด, ์ ํฌ๋ ๊ธฐ์กด ์นด๋ ๋ฐ๊ธ ์ฌ์ ๊ณผ ๊ฐ๋งน์ ๊ฒฐ์ ์ฒ๋ฆฌ ์ฌ์ ๋ชจ๋์์ ์ง๋ ๋ช ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๊ฑธ์ณ ๊พธ์คํ ๊ฐ์ ๊ณผ ๋์ฑ ์ผ๊ด๋ ์ ๋ ๋๊ธฐ ๋๋น ์์๋ฃ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ณด์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ์ฌ ๊ฐ์ ์์ ๋ ์ ๊ณ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค์์ ๊ฒฐ์ ์ฌ์ ์ ํ๊ณผ ์ ๋ต์ ๋ํด ๋ ์์ธํ ์ค๋ช ๋๋ฆด ์ ์๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด์ John์๊ฒ ๋ฐ์ธ๊ถ์ ๋๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| John Stern Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer Thank you, Gunjan, and good morning, everyone. This was a very strong quarter for us, highlighted by core underlying business momentum and accelerating growth as we made meaningful progress toward our medium-term financial targets. If you turn to Slide 9, I'll start with highlights for the quarter, followed by a discussion of third quarter earnings trends. As Gunjan mentioned, we reported earnings per common share of $1.22 and achieved record net revenue of $7.3 billion this quarter. | ์กด ์คํด ๋ถํ์ฅ ๊ฒธ ์ต๊ณ ์ฌ๋ฌด์ฑ ์์ ๊ตฐ์, ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ ์๋ ํ์ธ์. ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ ์ ํฌ์๊ฒ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์์ต๋๋ค. ํต์ฌ ๊ธฐ์ด ์ฌ์ ์ ๋ชจ๋ฉํ ๊ณผ ๊ฐ์ํ๋๋ ์ฑ์ฅ์ด ๋๋๋ฌ์ก์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ค๊ธฐ ์ฌ๋ฌด ๋ชฉํ๋ฅผ ํฅํด ์๋ฏธ ์๋ ์ง์ ์ ์ด๋ค์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 9๋ฅผ ๋ณด์๋ฉด, ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ณ ํ์ด๋ผ์ดํธ๋ถํฐ ์์ํด์ 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค์ ๋ํฅ์ ๋ํด ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ตฐ์์ด ์ธ๊ธํ๋ฏ์ด, ์ ํฌ๋ ๋ณดํต์ฃผ๋น ์์ด์ต 1.22๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ผ๋ฉฐ ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์๋งค์ถ 73์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ผ๋ ๊ธฐ๋ก์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Revenue growth versus prior periods benefited from improved spread income driven by enhancements we've made to our portfolio mix as well as broad-based fee growth as we deepen client relationships across the franchise. Elevated deposit flows at the end of the quarter in support of more robust client activity and seasonality in our Corporate Trust business resulted in ending assets of $695 billion. As expected, nearly all key credit quality metrics, including nonperforming assets and net charge-offs improved both sequentially and on a year-over-year basis. As of September 30, our tangible book value per share increased 12.7% on a year-over-year basis. | ์ด์ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ ๋๋น ์์ต ์ฑ์ฅ์ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค ๋ฏน์ค ๊ฐ์ ์ ํตํ ์คํ๋ ๋ ์์ต ์ฆ๊ฐ์ ํ๋์ฐจ์ด์ฆ ์ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฑธ์น ๊ณ ๊ฐ ๊ด๊ณ ์ฌํ๋ก ์ธํ ๊ด๋ฒ์ํ ์์๋ฃ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ํ์ ์ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋ง ์๊ธ ์ ์ ์ฆ๊ฐ๋ ๋ณด๋ค ํ๋ฐํ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ํ๋๊ณผ ๊ธฐ์ ์ ํ ์ฌ์ ์ ๊ณ์ ์ฑ์ ๋ฐ์ํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก, ๊ธฐ๋ง ์์ฐ์ 6,950์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ต๋๋ค. ์์๋๋ก ๋ถ์ค์์ฐ๊ณผ ์์๊ฐ์ก์ ํฌํจํ ๊ฑฐ์ ๋ชจ๋ ์ฃผ์ ์ ์ฉํ์ง ์งํ๊ฐ ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น ๋ฐ ์ ๋ ๋๊ธฐ ๋๋น ๋ชจ๋ ๊ฐ์ ๋์์ต๋๋ค. 9์ 30์ผ ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก ์ฃผ๋น ์ ํ์ฅ๋ถ๊ฐ์น๋ ์ ๋ ๋๊ธฐ ๋๋น 12.7% ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Slide 10 provides key performance metrics. As the slide illustrates, each of our key profitability and efficiency ratios improved this quarter, highlighted by a return on average assets of 1.17% and a return on tangible common equity of 18.6%. Over the last 2 years, we have increased our tangible common equity approximately 30% while continuing to deliver a high teens ROTCE on steadily improving earnings growth. Notably, we also delivered an improved efficiency ratio of 57.2% and a net interest margin of 2.75% this quarter. | ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 10์ ์ฃผ์ ์ฑ๊ณผ ์งํ๋ค์ ๋ณด์ฌ์ค๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋์์ ๋ณด์๋ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฐ์ด, ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์ฃผ์ ์์ต์ฑ ๋ฐ ํจ์จ์ฑ ๋น์จ์ด ๋ชจ๋ ๊ฐ์ ๋์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ํนํ ํ๊ท ์์ฐ์์ต๋ฅ (ROA) 1.17%์ ์ ํ๋ณดํต์๋ณธ์์ต๋ฅ (ROTCE) 18.6%๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ง๋ 2๋ ๊ฐ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ ํ๋ณดํต์๋ณธ์ ์ฝ 30% ์ฆ๊ฐ์ํค๋ ๋์์ ๊พธ์คํ ๊ฐ์ ๋๋ ์์ต ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ฐํ์ผ๋ก 10%๋ ํ๋ฐ์ ๋์ ROTCE๋ฅผ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ฌ์ฑํด์์ต๋๋ค. ํนํ ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ ์ ์ ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ํจ์จ์ฑ ๋น์จ 57.2%์ ์์ด์๋ง์ง 2.75%๋ก ๊ฐ์ ๋ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ฑฐ๋์๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Our sequential margin expansion of 9 basis points was driven by fixed asset repricing, strong card and commercial loan growth as well as strategic balance sheet actions we took in the second quarter. We continue to expect net interest margin expansion in the medium term. Slide 11 provides a balance sheet summary. Total average deposits increased 1.8% linked quarter to $512 billion as we continue to emphasize growth in relationship-based deposits. Our percentage of noninterest-bearing to total deposits remained stable at approximately 16%. Average loans totaled $379 billion, up 0.2% from the prior quarter. | ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น 9๋ฒ ์ด์์คํฌ์ธํธ์ ๋ง์ง ํ๋๋ ๊ณ ์ ์์ฐ ์ฌ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ์ค์ , ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์นด๋ ๋ฐ ์์ ๋์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 2๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ทจํ ์ ๋ต์ ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ ์กฐ์น์ ์ํด ๊ฒฌ์ธ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ค๊ธฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ์์ด์๋ง์ง ํ๋๋ฅผ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ธฐ๋ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 11์ ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ ์์ฝ์ ์ ๊ณตํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด ํ๊ท ์๊ธ์ ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น 1.8% ์ฆ๊ฐํ 5,120์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ๊ด๊ณ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ ์๊ธ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ์ค์ ์ ๋๊ณ ์๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด ์๊ธ ๋๋น ๋ฌด์ด์ ์๊ธ ๋น์จ์ ์ฝ 16%๋ก ์์ ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ ์ง๋์์ต๋๋ค. ํ๊ท ๋์ถ์ 3,790์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ก ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น 0.2% ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Adjusting for loan sales last quarter, our underlying growth rate was 1.0% linked quarter and 2.8% on a year-over-year basis. Loan yields increased to 5.97%, an 8 basis point improvement linked quarter. As we continue to strategically remix our balance sheet with a greater proportion of commercial and credit card loan balances, we increased both commercial and credit card loans 9.5% and 4.3%, respectively, on a year-over-year basis. Given the current industry focus on nondepository financial institution lending, we included a slide in the appendix of our presentation to provide additional transparency on this loan category. | ์ง๋ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋์ถ ๋งค๊ฐ์ ์กฐ์ ํ๋ฉด, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ ์ฑ์ฅ๋ฅ ์ ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น 1.0%, ์ ๋ ๋๊ธฐ ๋๋น 2.8%์์ต๋๋ค. ๋์ถ ์์ต๋ฅ ์ 5.97%๋ก ์์นํ์ฌ ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น 8๋ฒ ์ด์์คํฌ์ธํธ ๊ฐ์ ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ์์ ๋์ถ๊ณผ ์ ์ฉ์นด๋ ๋์ถ ์์ก์ ๋น์ค์ ๋๋ฆฌ๋ ๋ฐฉํฅ์ผ๋ก ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ๋ฅผ ์ ๋ต์ ์ผ๋ก ์ฌ๊ตฌ์ฑํ๋ฉด์, ์์ ๋์ถ๊ณผ ์ ์ฉ์นด๋ ๋์ถ์ ์ ๋ ๋๊ธฐ ๋๋น ๊ฐ๊ฐ 9.5%์ 4.3% ์ฆ๊ฐ์์ผฐ์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ์ ๊ณ์์ ๋น์๊ธ๊ธ์ต๊ธฐ๊ด ๋์ถ์ ๋ํ ๊ด์ฌ์ด ๋์์ง๊ณ ์๋ ์ ์ ๊ณ ๋ คํ์ฌ, ์ด ๋์ถ ์นดํ ๊ณ ๋ฆฌ์ ๋ํ ์ถ๊ฐ์ ์ธ ํฌ๋ช ์ฑ์ ์ ๊ณตํ๊ธฐ ์ํด ํ๋ ์ ํ ์ด์ ๋ถ๋ก์ ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋๋ฅผ ํฌํจ์์ผฐ์ต๋๋ค. |
| As you will observe, this is a highly diversified portfolio with a balanced and broad composition of borrowers that is underpinned by our proven underwriting capabilities and strong collateral and structural protections. Finally, as it relates to the balance sheet, the ending balance in our investment portfolio as of September 30 was $171 billion and had an average yield of 3.26%, an 8 basis point improvement sequentially, driven by the strategic actions we took last quarter and fixed asset repricing. Turning to Slide 12. Net interest income on a fully taxable equivalent basis totaled $4.25 billion, an increase of 4.2% on a linked-quarter basis. | ๋ณด์๋ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฐ์ด, ์ด๋ ์ ์ฆ๋ ์ธ์์ฌ์ฌ ์ญ๋๊ณผ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ๋ด๋ณด ๋ฐ ๊ตฌ์กฐ์ ๋ณดํธ ์ฅ์น๋ฅผ ๋ฐํ์ผ๋ก ํ๋ ๊ท ํ ์กํ๊ณ ๊ด๋ฒ์ํ ์ฐจ์ฃผ ๊ตฌ์ฑ์ ๊ฐ์ง ๊ณ ๋๋ก ๋ค๊ฐํ๋ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค์ ๋๋ค. ๋ง์ง๋ง์ผ๋ก ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ์ ๊ด๋ จํ์ฌ, 9์ 30์ผ ๊ธฐ์ค ํฌ์ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค์ ๊ธฐ๋ง ์์ก์ 1,710์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ์์ผ๋ฉฐ ํ๊ท ์์ต๋ฅ ์ 3.26%๋ก, ์ง๋ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ทจํ ์ ๋ต์ ์กฐ์น์ ๊ณ ์ ์์ฐ ์ฌ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ์ฑ ์ ์ ํ์ ์ด ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น 8bp ๊ฐ์ ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 12๋ก ๋์ด๊ฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์์ ๊ณผ์ธ๋ฑ๊ฐ ๊ธฐ์ค ์์ด์์์ต์ ์ด 42์ต 5์ฒ๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ก ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น 4.2% ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Slide 13 highlights trends in noninterest income. Total noninterest income was approximately $3.08 billion. Excluding security losses, total fee revenue increased 9.5% on a year-over-year basis, driven by new business momentum and broad-based growth across our fee businesses. Turning to Slide 14. Noninterest expense totaled approximately $4.2 billion as we continue to prudently manage our expense base. Slide 15 highlights our improving credit quality performance despite ongoing macroeconomic uncertainty. Our ratio of nonperforming assets to loans and other real estate was 0.43% at September 30, an improvement of 1 basis point linked quarter and 6 basis points year-over-year. | ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 13์ ๋น์ด์์์ต์ ์ถ์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ฌ์ค๋๋ค. ์ด ๋น์ด์์์ต์ ์ฝ 30์ต 8์ฒ๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๊ฐ์ฆ๊ถ ์์ค์ ์ ์ธํ๊ณ , ์ด ์์๋ฃ ์์ต์ ์ ๊ท ์ฌ์
๋ชจ๋ฉํ
๊ณผ ์์๋ฃ ์ฌ์
์ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฑธ์น ๊ด๋ฒ์ํ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ํ์
์ด ์ ๋
๋๊ธฐ ๋๋น 9.5% ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 14๋ก ๋์ด๊ฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋น์ด์๋น์ฉ์ ์ฝ 42์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ก, ์ ํฌ๋ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ๋น์ฉ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ์ ์ ์คํ๊ฒ ๊ด๋ฆฌํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 15๋ ์ง์๋๋ ๊ฑฐ์๊ฒฝ์ ์ ๋ถํ์ค์ฑ์๋ ๋ถ๊ตฌํ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ ๋๊ณ ์๋ ์ ์ฉ ํ์ง ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ฌ์ค๋๋ค. 9์ 30์ผ ๊ธฐ์ค ๋์ถ ๋ฐ ๊ธฐํ ๋ถ๋์ฐ ๋๋น ๋ถ์ค์์ฐ ๋น์จ์ 0.43%๋ก, ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น 1bp, ์ ๋ ๋๊ธฐ ๋๋น 6bp ๊ฐ์ ๋์์ต๋๋ค. |
| This quarter, our net charge-off ratio of 0.56% improved 3 basis points sequentially and 4 basis points year-over-year. Turning to Slide 16. As of September 30, our common equity Tier 1 capital as a percentage of risk-weighted assets was 10.9%, a 20 basis point increase linked quarter. Including AOCI, our CET1 ratio improved to 9.2%. At the top of Slide 17, we provide a comparison of third quarter results to our previous guidance. This quarter, both net interest income and fee revenues exceeded our expectations, while noninterest expense was in line with previous guidance, which drove meaningful positive operating leverage for the quarter. Let me now provide our forward-looking guidance. | ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์์์ค๋ฅ ์ 0.56%๋ก ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น 3bp, ์ ๋ ๋๊ธฐ ๋๋น 4bp ๊ฐ์ ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 16์ผ๋ก ๋์ด๊ฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. 9์ 30์ผ ๊ธฐ์ค, ์ํ๊ฐ์ค์์ฐ ๋๋น ๋ณดํต์ฃผ ์๊ธฐ์๋ณธ๋น์จ(CET1)์ 10.9%๋ก ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น 20bp ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. AOCI๋ฅผ ํฌํจํ CET1 ๋น์จ์ 9.2%๋ก ๊ฐ์ ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 17 ์๋จ์์๋ 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค์ ์ ๊ธฐ์กด ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค์ ๋น๊ตํด ๋ณด์ฌ๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์์ด์์์ต๊ณผ ์์๋ฃ์์ต ๋ชจ๋ ์์์ ์ํํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ๋น์ด์๋น์ฉ์ ๊ธฐ์กด ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค์ ๋ถํฉํ์ฌ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋์ ์๋ฏธ ์๋ ๊ธ์ ์ ์์ ๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง๋ฅผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด์ ํฅํ ์ ๋ง ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ฅผ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| In the fourth quarter, we expected net interest income on a fully taxable equivalent basis to be relatively stable to our third quarter level of $4.25 billion. Total fee revenue is expected to be approximately $3 billion. Total noninterest expense is expected to increase between 1% and 1.5% sequentially. We expect to deliver positive operating leverage of 200 basis points or more on an adjusted basis. Turning to Slide 18. We are now operating within all of our medium-term target ranges, 1 year removed from our 2024 Investor Day and remain confident in our ability to build on these results over time. Let me now hand it back to Gunjan for closing remarks. | 4๋ถ๊ธฐ์๋ ์์ ๊ณผ์ธ๋ฑ๊ฐ ๊ธฐ์ค ์์ด์์์ต์ด 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ์์ค์ธ 42์ต 5์ฒ๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ ๋๋น ์๋์ ์ผ๋ก ์์ ์ ์ผ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด ์์๋ฃ ์์ต์ ์ฝ 30์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ก ์์๋ฉ๋๋ค. ์ด ๋น์ด์๋น์ฉ์ ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น 1%์์ 1.5% ์ฌ์ด์์ ์ฆ๊ฐํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋ฉ๋๋ค. ์กฐ์ ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก 200bp ์ด์์ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ธ ์ด์ ๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง๋ฅผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 18๋ก ๋์ด๊ฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ํ์ฌ ๋ชจ๋ ์ค๊ธฐ ๋ชฉํ ๋ฒ์ ๋ด์์ ์ด์ํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, 2024๋ ํฌ์์์ ๋ ๋ก๋ถํฐ 1๋ ์ด ์ง๋ ์์ ์์ ์๊ฐ์ด ์ง๋จ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ์ด๋ฌํ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋์ฑ ๋ฐ์ ์ํฌ ์ ์๋ ๋ฅ๋ ฅ์ ๋ํด ํ์ ์ ๊ฐ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด์ ๋ง๋ฌด๋ฆฌ ๋ฐ์ธ์ ์ํด Gunjan์๊ฒ ๋ค์ ๋๊ฒจ๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Gunjan Kedia President & CEO Thank you, John. Third quarter results show that we are beginning to hit our stride on execution. We remain focused on delivering growth, productivity, returns and strong risk management, both in favorable and uncertain economic environments. Let me just close by extending my deep gratitude to our clients and shareholders. Our results reflect the power of our strategy, the strength of our franchise and the dedication of our teams across this organization. We appreciate your trust and your partnership. With that, we will now open the call for your questions. | ๊ตฐ์ ์ผ๋์ ์ฌ์ฅ ๊ฒธ CEO ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค, ์กด. 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค์ ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์คํ๋ ฅ ๋ฉด์์ ๊ถค๋์ ์ค๋ฅด๊ธฐ ์์ํ์์ ๋ณด์ฌ์ค๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ ๋ฆฌํ ๊ฒฝ์ ํ๊ฒฝ๊ณผ ๋ถํ์คํ ๊ฒฝ์ ํ๊ฒฝ ๋ชจ๋์์ ์ฑ์ฅ, ์์ฐ์ฑ, ์์ต๋ฅ ๋ฐ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ ๊ด๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ ๊ณตํ๋ ๋ฐ ๊ณ์ ์ง์คํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ง์ง๋ง์ผ๋ก ๊ณ ๊ฐ๊ณผ ์ฃผ์ฃผ ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ๊ป ๊น์ ๊ฐ์ฌ์ ๋ง์์ ๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์ค์ ์ ์ ๋ต์ ํ, ํ๋์ฐจ์ด์ฆ์ ๊ฐ์ , ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์กฐ์ง ์ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฑธ์น ํ๋ค์ ํ์ ์ ๋ฐ์ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ์ ์ ๋ขฐ์ ํํธ๋์ญ์ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. ์ด์ ์ง์์๋ต ์๊ฐ์ ๊ฐ๋๋ก ํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
โข ์ฃผ์ ์ค์ ํ์ด๋ผ์ดํธ:
- EPS 1.22๋ฌ๋ฌ (์ ๋
๋๋น 18.4% ์ฆ๊ฐ)
- ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์์์ต 73์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ก ์ฌ์ ์ต๋ ๊ธฐ๋ก
- ์์ด์๋ง์ง 2.75%, ROA 1.17% ๋ฌ์ฑ
- ์์
๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง 530bp ๊ฐ์
โข ์์๋ฃ ์์ต ๋ฐ ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ ํํฉ:
- ์์๋ฃ ์์ต ์ ๋
๋๋น 9.5% ์ฑ์ฅ
- ํ๊ท ์๊ธ 5,120์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ (์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น 1.8% ์ฆ๊ฐ)
- CET1 ๋น์จ 10.9%๋ก 20bp ๊ฐ์
- ๋ฌด์์ต์ฌ์ ๋น์จ 0.43%๋ก ์ ์ฉ์ ์ง ๊ฐ์
โข ํฅํ ์ ๋ง:
- 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ์์ด์์์ต์ 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ์์ค(42.5์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ) ์ ์ง ์์
- ์์๋ฃ ์์ต ์ฝ 30์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ์ ๋ง
- ์์
๋น์ฉ ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น 1-1.5% ์ฆ๊ฐ ์์
- 200bp ์ด์์ ์์
๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง ๋ฌ์ฑ ๋ชฉํ
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| Operator: [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of John McDonald of Truist Securities. | **Operator:** [์ด์์ ์๋ด] ์ฒซ ๋ฒ์งธ ์ง๋ฌธ์ Truist Securities์ John McDonald๋์ผ๋ก๋ถํฐ ๋ฐ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| John McDonald: Truist Securities, Inc., Research Division I'll start off with a question for John. Just on the outlook. John, what are you seeing for net interest margin trend in the fourth quarter? And can you give us some puts and takes on your outlook for net interest income to be relatively flattish in the fourth quarter? | **John McDonald:** 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ์์ด์๋ง์ง(NIM) ์ ๋ง์ ๋ํด ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๋ณด๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ง์? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ์์ด์์์ต์ด ์๋์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ณดํฉ์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ผ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๋ ์ ๋ง์ ๋ํ ์์น ์์ธ๊ณผ ํ๋ฝ ์์ธ๋ค์ ์ค๋ช ํด ์ฃผ์ค ์ ์๋์? |
| John Stern: Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer Sure. Maybe stepping back just to the third quarter, we had a lot of favorable items this quarter that will continue to be sustainable. We had strong fixed asset repricing. We had a healthy mix favorability, both on the loan side of the equation as well as on the liability side. And of course, we had the strategic actions that we talked about last quarter that ended up being favorable as well. So looking forward, if I think about the fourth quarter, we talked about relative stability, and we have the favorable items still at our -- being a tailwind in terms of repricing and mix. However, we have credit card favorability this quarter that is seasonal to a certain extent, and that will reverse in some capacity. And so when I think about the quarter, there's obviously some risks and there's some opportunities. I would say that we're biased to the upside, both in terms of net interest income and net interest margin from -- versus our flat guidance because I just see more opportunity than I do risk. But we'll see how the quarter plays out, but that's where we're at right now. | **John Stern:** 3๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋์ด์ผ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ง์ ๊ฐ๋ฅํ ์ฌ๋ฌ ๊ธ์ ์ ์์ธ๋ค์ด ์์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ณ ์ ์์ฐ ์ฌ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ์ฑ
์ ์ด ๊ฒฌ์กฐํ๊ณ , ๋์ถ ์ธก๋ฉด๊ณผ ๋ถ์ฑ ์ธก๋ฉด ๋ชจ๋์์ ๊ฑด์ ํ ๋ฏน์ค ์ฐํธ์ฑ์ ๋ณด์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ง๋ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ์ ๋ต์ ์กฐ์น๋ค๋ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ผ๋ก ์์ฉํ์ต๋๋ค. ์์ผ๋ก 4๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์๋์ ์์ ์ฑ์ ๋ํด ๋ง์๋๋ ธ๋๋ฐ, ์ฌ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ์ฑ ์ ๊ณผ ๋ฏน์ค ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ์ฌ์ ํ ์ํ ์์ธ๋ค์ด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์๊ฒ ์ ๋ฆฌํ๊ฒ ์์ฉํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ค๋ง ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ ์ฉ์นด๋ ์ฐํธ์ฑ์ ์ด๋ ์ ๋ ๊ณ์ ์ ํน์ฑ์ด ์์ด์, ์ด ๋ถ๋ถ์ ์ผ์ ์ ๋ ๋ฐ์ ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์๊ฐํด๋ณด๋ฉด ๋ถ๋ช ํ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ๋ ์๊ณ ๊ธฐํ๋ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ ์ํ ๋ณดํฉ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค ๋๋น ์์ด์์์ต(net interest income)๊ณผ ์์ด์๋ง์ง(net interest margin) ๋ชจ๋์์ ์์น ์ฌ๋ ฅ์ด ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ๋ณด๋ค๋ ๊ธฐํ๊ฐ ๋ ๋ง์ด ๋ณด์ด๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ๋ถ๊ธฐ๊ฐ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์ ๊ฐ๋ ์ง ์ง์ผ๋ด์ผ๊ฒ ๊ณ , ํ์ฌ๋ก์๋ ๊ทธ๋ฐ ์ํฉ์ ๋๋ค. |
| John McDonald: Truist Securities, Inc., Research Division Okay. And then just following up on that, looking a little further out, what are some of the drivers you have for net interest margin expansion next year in the context of maybe a few rate cuts? And do you still think that you could get towards 3% in 2027? | **John McDonald:** ๋ด๋ ์์ด์๋ง์ง ํ๋์ ์ฃผ์ ๋๋ ฅ์ ์ดํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ๋ช ์ฐจ๋ก ๊ธ๋ฆฌ ์ธํ๊ฐ ์๋๋ผ๋ ์ฌ๋ฌ ์์ธ๋ค์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 2027๋ ๊น์ง 3%์ ๋๋ฌํ ์ ์๋ค๊ณ ์ฌ์ ํ ์๊ฐํ์๋์ง์? |
| John Stern: Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer We definitely see a path of net interest margin expansion getting to that 3% level in 2027. The drivers are going to be the ones that we've talked about in the past. We have fixed asset repricing that is quite mechanical. We've talked about the $3 billion of investment portfolio and the $5 billion to $7 billion of loans that reprice. We still have mix that we have in our control in terms of leaning more into card and commercial type of loans that are helping. And so I think of those things as having somewhere in that 2 to 3 basis points of embedded lift from a net interest margin standpoint. The third component is really going to be on the deposit side and the mix and pricing of that. And that will depend a little bit -- the speed in which we gain to that 3% margin is going to depend on the curve, depends on deposit competition and how we execute really on DDA and checking and all those sorts of accounts that we need to grow. So we definitely see a path for 3% in 2027, but some of those macro environments might impact the speed in which we get there. | **John Stern:** 2027๋
๊น์ง ์์ด์๋ง์ง(NIM)์ด 3% ์์ค์ผ๋ก ํ๋๋๋ ๊ฒฝ๋ก๋ฅผ ๋ถ๋ช
ํ ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋๋ ฅ์ ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๊ฒ๋ค๊ณผ ๋์ผํ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ์๋นํ ๊ธฐ๊ณ์ ์ธ ๊ณ ์ ์์ฐ ์ฌ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ์ค์ ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. 30์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ์ ํฌ์ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค์ 50์ต~70์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ์ ๋์ถ์ด ์ฌ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ๋๋ค๊ณ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๋ฐ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ์ ํ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ํต์ ํ ์ ์๋ ๋ฏน์ค๊ฐ ์๋๋ฐ, ์นด๋์ ์์
๋์ถ ๊ฐ์ ์ ํ์ ๋ ์ง์คํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ๋์์ด ๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฐ ์์๋ค์ด ์์ด์๋ง์ง ๊ด์ ์์ 2~3bp ์ ๋์ ๋ด์ฌ๋ ์์น ํจ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์ ธ๋ค์ค ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ์ธ ๋ฒ์งธ ๊ตฌ์ฑ์์๋ ์ค์ ๋ก ์๊ธ ์ธก๋ฉด๊ณผ ๊ทธ ๋ฏน์ค ๋ฐ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ์ค์ ์ด ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. 3% ๋ง์ง์ ๋๋ฌํ๋ ์๋๋ ๊ธ๋ฆฌ ๊ณก์ ๊ณผ ์๊ธ ๊ฒฝ์ ์ํฉ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์๊ตฌ๋ถ์๊ธ(DDA)๊ณผ ๋น์ข์๊ธ ๋ฑ ์ฑ์ฅ์์ผ์ผ ํ ๊ณ์ข๋ค์ ์ผ๋ง๋ ์ ์คํํ๋๋์ ๋ฌ๋ ค ์์ต๋๋ค. 2027๋ ์ 3%๋ฅผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ ์ ์๋ ๊ฒฝ๋ก๋ ๋ถ๋ช ํ ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ง๋ง, ๊ฑฐ์๊ฒฝ์ ํ๊ฒฝ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ๊ทธ ์๋๊ฐ ์ํฅ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Your next question comes from the line of John Pancari of Evercore. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ์๋ฒ์ฝ์ด์ ์กด ํฌ์นด๋ฆฌ๋์ผ๋ก๋ถํฐ ๋ฐ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| John Pancari: Evercore ISI Institutional Equities, Research Division On the positive operating leverage came in particularly solid this quarter, and you're clearly confident in the 200 basis points plus expectation for '25. Can you give us just a little more color in terms of your confidence in that front or in that pace as you look into 2026, just given some of the investments that you're looking at, but also conversely, some of the momentum you're clearly seeing on the revenue side. Can we see positive operating leverage exceed that 200-plus range as we look out? | **John Pancari:** ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ธ ์ด์ ๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง๊ฐ ํนํ ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํ๊ฒ ๋ํ๋ฌ๊ณ , 2025๋ ์ 200bp ์ด์์ด๋ผ๋ ์ ๋ง์ ๋ํด ํ์คํ ์์ ๊ฐ์ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ๊ณ์ญ๋๋ค. ํฌ์๋ฅผ ๊ฒํ ํ๊ณ ๊ณ์ ๋ถ๋ถ๋ค์ ๊ณ ๋ คํ๋ฉด์๋, ๋ฐ๋๋ก ๋งค์ถ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ๋ช ํํ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์๋ ๋ชจ๋ฉํ ์ ๊ฐ์ํ ๋, 2026๋ ์ ๋ด๋ค๋ณด๋ ๊ด์ ์์ ๊ทธ๋ฌํ ์๋์ ๋ํ ํ์ ์ ๋ํด ์กฐ๊ธ ๋ ์์ธํ ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์ค ์ ์์๊น์? ์์ผ๋ก ๊ธ์ ์ ์ธ ์ด์ ๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง๊ฐ ๊ทธ 200bp ์ด์ ๋ฒ์๋ฅผ ๋์ด์ค ์ ์์์ง์? |
| John Stern: Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer So thanks, John. In terms of our guidance, of course, we've been signaling over 200 basis points of operating leverage this year, and we've been achieving that. Obviously, we had a lot of strength this quarter, and we continue to expect that in the fourth quarter. As we think about '26, we haven't provided formal guidance there. We're going to -- in the middle of our planning process, of course. But I think you can kind of see the key drivers here. You can think about net interest income having a good growth trajectory as we think about all the different items I just talked about, the fees, we continue to expect that mid-single-digit type of growth. And our expenses, we've been able to manage quite prudently. So we expect to achieve meaningful positive operating leverage next year. | **John Stern:** ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค, ์กด. ์ ํฌ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค์ ๊ด๋ จํด์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ์ฌํด 200๋ฒ ์ด์์คํฌ์ธํธ ์ด์์ ์ด์ ๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง๋ฅผ ์๊ทธ๋๋งํด์๊ณ , ์ค์ ๋ก ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ถ๋ช
ํ ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์๋นํ ๊ฐ์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์๊ณ , 4๋ถ๊ธฐ์๋ ์ด๋ฐ ํ๋ฆ์ด ์ง์๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. 2026๋ ์ ๋ํด์๋ ์์ง ๊ณต์์ ์ธ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ฅผ ์ ๊ณตํ์ง ์์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ๊ณํ ์๋ฆฝ ๊ณผ์ ์ค์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ฌ๊ธฐ์ ํต์ฌ ๋๋ ฅ ์์ธ๋ค์ ๋ณด์ค ์ ์์ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐฉ๊ธ ์ ๊ฐ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ์ฌ๋ฌ ํญ๋ชฉ๋ค์ ๊ณ ๋ คํ ๋ ์์ด์์์ต(net interest income)์ด ์ข์ ์ฑ์ฅ ๊ถค๋๋ฅผ ๊ทธ๋ฆด ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์๊ฐํ์ค ์ ์๊ณ , ์์๋ฃ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์๋ ์ค๊ฐ ํ ์๋ฆฟ์ ์ฑ์ฅ๋ฅ ์ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ธฐ๋ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋น์ฉ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์๋ ์๋นํ ์ ์คํ๊ฒ ๊ด๋ฆฌํ ์ ์์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ด๋ ์๋ ์๋ฏธ ์๋ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ด์ ๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง๋ฅผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. |
| President & CEO: And John, I'll just add, this is Gunjan. We are very confident in our expense management disciplines because our 4 signature programs have runway still to go, and the revenue outlook is positive. It does depend on the fee mix. As you know, we are very focused on improving our fee mix, and that tends to attract more expense, which we are very glad to do. So that's the range. But the business model lends itself to meaningful positive operating leverage for next year. It's just a matter of level. | **President & CEO:** ์กด, ์ ๊ฐ ๋ง๋ถ์ด์๋ฉด ๊ตฐ์์ ๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ๋น์ฉ ๊ด๋ฆฌ ๊ท์จ์ ๋ํด ๋งค์ฐ ํ์ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์๋ํ๋ฉด ์ ํฌ์ 4๋ ํต์ฌ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ๋ค์ด ์์ง ์ถ์งํ ์ฌ์ง๊ฐ ๋จ์์๊ณ , ์์ต ์ ๋ง๋ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ด๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ค๋ง ์ด๋ ์์๋ฃ ๊ตฌ์ฑ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ๋ฌ๋ผ์ง๋๋ค. ์์๋ค์ํผ ์ ํฌ๋ ์์๋ฃ ๊ตฌ์ฑ ๊ฐ์ ์ ๋งค์ฐ ์ง์คํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ๋ ๋ง์ ๋น์ฉ์ ์๋ฐํ๋ ๊ฒฝํฅ์ด ์์ง๋ง ์ ํฌ๋ ๊ธฐ๊บผ์ด ๊ทธ๋ ๊ฒ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ด ๋ฐ๋ก ๊ทธ ๋ฒ์์ ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ ํฌ ๋น์ฆ๋์ค ๋ชจ๋ธ์ ๋ด๋ ์ ์๋ฏธ ์๋ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ด์ ๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง๋ฅผ ์ฐฝ์ถํ ์ ์๋ ๊ตฌ์กฐ์ ๋๋ค. ๋จ์ง ๊ทธ ์์ค์ ๋ฌธ์ ์ผ ๋ฟ์ ๋๋ค. |
| John Pancari: Evercore ISI Institutional Equities, Research Division Okay. Got it. Got it. And then on the fee side, also some clear momentum there, some pretty good upside this quarter. And as you mentioned in your prepared remarks, you're certainly seeing some of the momentum follow through in terms of your key drivers and in your payments space as well. I mean, I guess on the payment side, can you give us a little more color in terms of the drivers of the growth that you're seeing there and your confidence in that mid-single-digit expectation? And is there anything from the standpoint of customer acquisition or the benefits of the investments that you've made that you'd call out here as being key drivers to what seems to be a more sustainable consistency around your fee performance as of late? | **John Pancari:** ๋ค, ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์์๋ฃ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์๋ ๋ถ๋ช ํ ๋ชจ๋ฉํ ์ด ์์๊ณ , ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๊ฝค ์ข์ ์์น์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์์ต๋๋ค. ์ค๋น๋ ๋ฐ์ธ์์ ์ธ๊ธํ์ ๊ฒ์ฒ๋ผ, ์ฃผ์ ๋๋ ฅ๊ณผ ๊ฒฐ์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์๋ ๋ชจ๋ฉํ ์ด ์ด์ด์ง๊ณ ์๋ ๊ฒ์ ํ์คํ ๋ณด๊ณ ๊ณ์๋ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ฒฐ์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ํ์ฌ ๋ณด๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋๋ ฅ๊ณผ ์ค๊ฐ ํ ์๋ฆฟ์ ์ฑ์ฅ ์ ๋ง์ ๋ํ ํ์ ์ ๋ํด ์ข ๋ ์์ธํ ์ค๋ช ํด ์ฃผ์ค ์ ์์๊น์? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ํ๋ณด๋ ํฌ์ ํจ๊ณผ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ์ต๊ทผ ์์๋ฃ ์ค์ ์ด ๋์ฑ ์ง์ ๊ฐ๋ฅํ๊ณ ์ผ๊ด๋ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๋ ํต์ฌ ๋๋ ฅ์ผ๋ก ํน๋ณํ ์ธ๊ธํ๊ณ ์ถ์ ๋ถ๋ถ์ด ์์ผ์ ๊ฐ์? |
| President & CEO: Thank you. We are feeling very confident in the broad-based strength of the fees. And let me just share 2 things, and then I'll get to the specifics on payments. We have made a lot of progress over the last 12 months on creating an operating model that creates interconnectivity between our product sets. So the fees are lifting each other. Our relationship teams, our sales and marketing efforts are multiproduct. Our product design is multiproduct. And all of that is leading to a measurable lift in effectiveness of marketing dollars. So that gives us some real shift in the trajectory here. What we track internally on payments, for example, is new card acquisitions that we can measure today that have grown nicely from past trends, and it takes 12 to 18 months for that revenue to catch up. We are also seeing material strength in sold but not installed business on businesses like CPS and merchants. So all of that leads us to have confidence in our mid-single-digit fee guidance across the whole portfolio and payments overall, with upside over time as we gain momentum. | **President & CEO:** ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์์๋ฃ์ ๊ด๋ฒ์ํ ๊ฐ์ธ์ ๋ํด ๋งค์ฐ ํ์ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ ๊ฐ์ง ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ํ ๊ฒฐ์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ๋ด์ฉ์ ์ค๋ช
๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ง๋ 12๊ฐ์ ๋์ ์ ํ๊ตฐ ๊ฐ์ ์ํธ ์ฐ๊ฒฐ์ฑ์ ์ฐฝ์ถํ๋ ์ด์ ๋ชจ๋ธ ๊ตฌ์ถ์์ ์๋นํ ์ง์ ์ ์ด๋ค์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์์๋ฃ๋ค์ด ์๋ก๋ฅผ ๋์ด์ฌ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ด๊ณ ํ, ์์
๋ฐ ๋ง์ผํ
ํ๋์ด ๋ค์ค ์ ํ ๋ฐฉ์์ด๊ณ , ์ ํ ์ค๊ณ๋ ๋ค์ค ์ ํ ๋ฐฉ์์
๋๋ค. ์ด ๋ชจ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ๋ง์ผํ
๋น์ฉ ํจ์จ์ฑ์ ์ธก์ ๊ฐ๋ฅํ ํฅ์์ผ๋ก ์ด์ด์ง๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์๊ฒ ๊ถค๋์ ์ค์ง์ ์ธ ๋ณํ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์ ธ๋ค์ฃผ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์๋ฅผ ๋ค์ด, ๊ฒฐ์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ๋ด๋ถ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ถ์ ํ๊ณ ์๋ ๊ฒ์ ์ ๊ท ์นด๋ ํ๋ ๊ฑด์์ธ๋ฐ, ํ์ฌ ์ธก์ ๊ฐ๋ฅํ ์์น๋ก ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ ์ถ์ธ ๋๋น ์ํธํ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ฌํ ์์ต์ด ์ค์ ๋ก ๋ฐ์๋๊ธฐ๊น์ง๋ 12๊ฐ์์์ 18๊ฐ์์ด ์์๋ฉ๋๋ค. CPS๋ ๊ฐ๋งน์ ์ฌ์ ๊ฐ์ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ์๋ ํ๋งค๋์์ง๋ง ์์ง ์ค์น๋์ง ์์ ์ฌ์ ์์ ์๋นํ ๊ฐ์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด ๋ชจ๋ ์์๋ค๋ก ์ธํด ์ ์ฒด ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค์ ๊ฒฐ์ ์ฌ์ ์ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฑธ์ณ ์ค๊ฐ ํ ์๋ฆฟ์ ์์๋ฃ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค์ ๋ํด ํ์ ์ ๊ฐ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์๊ฐ์ด ์ง๋๋ฉด์ ๋ชจ๋ฉํ ์ ์ป๊ฒ ๋๋ฉด ์์น ์ฌ๋ ฅ๋ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ด ๋๋ค. |
| John Pancari: Evercore ISI Institutional Equities, Research Division And that upside, that would bode well for 2026, I assume there, Gunjan, above that mid-single-digit level possibly? | **John Pancari:** ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ทธ ์์น ์ฌ๋ ฅ์ด 2026๋ ์ ์ข์ ์ํฅ์ ๋ฏธ์น ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด์ด๋๋ฐ, ๊ตฐ์, ์ค๊ฐ ํ ์๋ฆฟ์ ์์ค์ ๋์ด์ค ๊ฐ๋ฅ์ฑ๋ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ณด์๋์? |
| John Stern: Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer Well, we've talked about mid-single digit in the payment complex, and that's what our objective is with upside. So I think that's where our starting point is. We'll have more detail, obviously, as we think about that in the next call, but mid-single digit is a good place to start to the plus. | **John Stern:** ๊ฒฐ์ ๋ณตํฉ์ฒด์์ ์ค๊ฐ ํ ์๋ฆฟ์ ์ฑ์ฅ๋ฅ ์ ๋ํด ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๋ฐ ์๊ณ , ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ด ์์น ์ฌ๋ ฅ๊ณผ ํจ๊ป ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ๋ชฉํ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์ถ๋ฐ์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ค์ ์ฝ์์ ์ด์ ๋ํด ์๊ฐํด๋ณผ ๋ ๋ ์์ธํ ๋ด์ฉ์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ง๋ง, ์ค๊ฐ ํ ์๋ฆฟ์ ํ๋ฌ์ค๊ฐ ์์ํ๊ธฐ์ ์ข์ ์ง์ ์ ๋๋ค. |
| President & CEO: I do also want to just reiterate that there is a lot of curiosity around payments. And in the fall, we are going to bring a deep dive on the merchant business and the card issuing businesses. So I look forward to more dialogue there. | **President & CEO:** ๊ฒฐ์ ์ฌ์ ์ ๋ํ ๋ง์ ๊ด์ฌ์ด ์๋ค๋ ์ ์ ๋ค์ ํ๋ฒ ๊ฐ์กฐํ๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ฐ์์ ๊ฐ๋งน์ ์ฌ์ ๊ณผ ์นด๋ ๋ฐ๊ธ ์ฌ์ ์ ๋ํ ์ฌ์ธต ๋ถ์์ ์ ๊ณตํ ์์ ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ ๋ ๋ง์ ๋ํ๋ฅผ ๋๋ ์ ์๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋ํฉ๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Ken Usdin of Autonomous Research. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ Autonomous Research์ Ken Usdin๋์ผ๋ก๋ถํฐ ๋ฐ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Bernstein Autonomous LLP: I just wanted to follow up on the payments point and just ask you to dive in a little bit more. 3% year-over-year is not far from mid-single digit, but that corporate piece is still comping negative and credit and debit is still 3-ish. So I just want to kind of -- if you can kind of give us some of the moving parts of the drivers now and across the lines, where do you expect those to inflect? | **Bernstein Autonomous LLP:** ๊ฒฐ์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ๋ํด ์ข ๋ ์์ธํ ์ค๋ช ํด ์ฃผ์๋ฉด ์ข๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๋ ๋๋น 3% ์ฑ์ฅ์ ์ค๊ฐ ํ ์๋ฆฟ์ ์ฑ์ฅ๋ฅ ๊ณผ ํฌ๊ฒ ๋ค๋ฅด์ง ์์ง๋ง, ๊ธฐ์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ์ฌ์ ํ ๋ง์ด๋์ค ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์๊ณ ์ ์ฉ์นด๋์ ์ง๋ถ์นด๋๋ ์ฌ์ ํ 3% ์ ๋์ ๋จธ๋ฌผ๋ฌ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ๊ฐ ๋ถ๋ฌธ๋ณ ์ฑ์ฅ ๋๋ ฅ๊ณผ ๋ณํ ์์ธ๋ค, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ธ์ ์ฏค ์ด๋ฐ ์ถ์ธ๊ฐ ์ ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ์๋์ง ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์ค ์ ์์๊น์? |
| John Stern: Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer Sure. So your question regarding on the corporate payments side of the house, that has seen negative year-over-year prints in the last couple of quarters. The drivers of that are really on the government side of the equation as well as corporate T&E. So you could think of government spend is about 15% of this line item. Corporate T&E is kind of about the same thing, and those have had have had some headwinds in those particular areas. Gunjan mentioned uninstalled revenue and strong pipelines. That is certainly the case, and we expect to see some online versions of that coming on into the fourth quarter. And so we do expect improving trends in our year-on-year outlook on corporate payments. And merchants has had some strong quarter given success in our key verticals that we've been talking about and as well as some of the embedded finance and tech-led type of strategies in card, as Gunjan mentioned, the marketing and account growth we see is very encouraging. So those are kind of the items that I talk about from a payment standpoint. | **John Stern:** ๊ธฐ์
๊ฒฐ์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ๋ํ ์ง๋ฌธ ๋ง์์ด์๊ตฐ์. ์ด ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ์ง๋ ๋ช ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋์ ์ ๋
๋๋น ๋ง์ด๋์ค ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ณด์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฃผ์ ์์ธ์ ์ ๋ถ ๋ถ๋ฌธ๊ณผ ๊ธฐ์
์ถ์ฅ ๋ฐ ์ ๋๋น(T&E) ๋๋ฌธ์
๋๋ค. ์ ๋ถ ์ง์ถ์ด ์ด ํญ๋ชฉ์ ์ฝ 15%๋ฅผ ์ฐจ์งํ๊ณ , ๊ธฐ์
T&E๋ ๋น์ทํ ์์ค์ธ๋ฐ, ์ด ๋ ์์ญ์์ ์ญํ์ ๊ฒช๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ตฐ์์ด ์ธ๊ธํ ๋ฏธ์ค์น ๋งค์ถ๊ณผ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ํ์ดํ๋ผ์ธ์ ํ์คํ ๋ง์ต๋๋ค. 4๋ถ๊ธฐ์๋ ์ด๊ฒ๋ค์ด ์จ๋ผ์ธ์ผ๋ก ์ ํ๋๋ ๊ฒ๋ค์ ๋ณผ ์ ์์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ๊ธฐ์ ๊ฒฐ์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ์ ๋ ๋๋น ์ ๋ง์์ ๊ฐ์ ๋๋ ์ถ์ธ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ฐ๋งน์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ๊ณ์ ์ธ๊ธํด์จ ํต์ฌ ์ ์ข ๋ค์์์ ์ฑ๊ณต๊ณผ ๋๋ถ์ด ์๋ฒ ๋๋ ํ์ด๋ธ์ค(embedded finance) ๋ฐ ๊ธฐ์ ์ฃผ๋ํ ์นด๋ ์ ๋ต๋ค ๋๋ถ์ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค์ ์ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ตฐ์์ด ์ธ๊ธํ๋ฏ์ด ๋ง์ผํ ๊ณผ ๊ณ์ ์ฆ๊ฐ ํํฉ์ด ๋งค์ฐ ๊ณ ๋ฌด์ ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ฒฐ์ ๊ด์ ์์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆด ์ ์๋ ์ฃผ์ ์ฌํญ๋ค์ ์ด์ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. |
| President & CEO: I can add just a line on the debit card, where the growth is really about growing your entire consumer franchise, and we are very laser-focused on that and see a lot of upside over time with interconnected products between card and the consumer bank. So as we see momentum in the -- we showed you some data on consumer deposits that was a very favorable set of trends over the last 2 years. And that creates momentum in the total number of clients and usage of the bank accounts and the debit card revenue line. So we should expect that to come. But the real payment strategy is focused on the card issuing and the merchant businesses that are the vast majority of our payments businesses. And of course, CPS is a very attractive business, and we are expecting those trends to reverse in due course here. | **President & CEO:** ์ง๋ถ์นด๋์ ๋ํด ํ ๊ฐ์ง ๋ง๋ถ์ด์๋ฉด, ์ฑ์ฅ์ ํต์ฌ์ ์ ์ฒด ์๋น์ ํ๋์ฐจ์ด์ฆ๋ฅผ ํ๋ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ ํฌ๋ ์ด ๋ถ๋ถ์ ๋งค์ฐ ์ง์คํ๊ณ ์๊ณ ์นด๋์ ์๋น์ ์ํ ๊ฐ์ ์ํธ ์ฐ๊ฒฐ๋ ์ํ๋ค์ ํตํด ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ์๋นํ ์์น ์ฌ๋ ฅ์ ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ง๋ 2๋ ๊ฐ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ธ ํธ๋ ๋๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ฌ๋๋ฆฐ ์๋น์ ์๊ธ ๋ฐ์ดํฐ์์ ๋ณด์๋ฏ์ด ๋ชจ๋ฉํ ์ด ํ์ฑ๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์ ์ฒด ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์์ ์ํ ๊ณ์ข ์ด์ฉ๋ฅ , ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ง๋ถ์นด๋ ์์ต ๋ผ์ธ์์ ๋ชจ๋ฉํ ์ ๋ง๋ค์ด๋ด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ด๋ฐ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ค์ด ๋ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๊ธฐ๋ํ์ ๋ ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ง์ ํ ๊ฒฐ์ ์ ๋ต์ ์ ํฌ ๊ฒฐ์ ์ฌ์ ์ ๋๋ถ๋ถ์ ์ฐจ์งํ๋ ์นด๋ ๋ฐ๊ธ๊ณผ ๊ฐ๋งน์ ์ฌ์ ์ ์ด์ ์ ๋ง์ถ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก CPS๋ ๋งค์ฐ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ์ฌ์ ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ฌํ ์ถ์ธ๊ฐ ์กฐ๋ง๊ฐ ๋ฐ์ ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๊ธฐ๋ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Bernstein Autonomous LLP: Great. One follow-up just related to consumer. It's great to see the card loss rate come back down now at 3.73% in the third quarter. It seems -- are we starting to see that maturation of the portfolio? And kind of where do you expect to see that card loss rate go -- going forward, assuming a reasonably stable economy from here? | **Bernstein Autonomous LLP:** ํ๋ฅญํฉ๋๋ค. ์๋น์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ๊ณผ ๊ด๋ จํด์ ํ์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ด ํ๋ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์นด๋ ์์ค๋ฅ ์ด 3๋ถ๊ธฐ์ 3.73%๋ก ๋ค์ ํ๋ฝํ ๊ฒ์ ๋ณด๋ ์ ๋ง ์ข์ต๋๋ค. ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค๊ฐ ์ฑ์ ๋จ๊ณ์ ์ ์ด๋ค๊ธฐ ์์ํ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์๋ฐ์? ์์ผ๋ก ๊ฒฝ์ ๊ฐ ํฉ๋ฆฌ์ ์ผ๋ก ์์ ์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ ํ ๋, ์นด๋ ์์ค๋ฅ ์ด ์ด๋ ์์ค๊น์ง ๊ฐ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ์๋์ง์? |
| John Stern: Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer Yes. Our view on credit right now is favorable. We see strong spend trends and credit trends, particularly a vast majority of our book is 720 or greater. The spend levels have been very good. The loss rates, as you mentioned, have come down meaningfully this quarter. There's some seasonality there. But for certain, our 2025 loss rate on card will be less than our loss rate in 2024. So there's some good momentum there. As we get into '26, we'll likely update you there. But it's -- we don't see anything that gives us any concern in this area. And so it's been a strong result. | **John Stern:** ํ์ฌ ์ ์ฉ ์ํฉ์ ๋ํ ์ ํฌ ๊ฒฌํด๋ ๊ธ์ ์ ์
๋๋ค. ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์ง์ถ ํธ๋ ๋์ ์ ์ฉ ํธ๋ ๋๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ํนํ ์ ํฌ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค์ ๋๋ถ๋ถ์ด ์ ์ฉ์ ์ 720์ ์ด์์
๋๋ค. ์ง์ถ ์์ค์ด ๋งค์ฐ ์ํธํ๊ณ , ๋ง์ํ์ ๋๋ก ์์ค๋ฅ ๋ ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์๋ฏธ ์๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ํ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ณ์ ์ ์์ธ์ด ์ผ๋ถ ์๊ธด ํ์ง๋ง, ํ์คํ ๊ฒ์ 2025๋
์นด๋ ์์ค๋ฅ ์ด 2024๋
๋ณด๋ค ๋ฎ์ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๋ ์ ์
๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ์ข์ ๋ชจ๋ฉํ
์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. 2026๋ ์ ์ ์ด๋ค๋ฉด์๋ ๊ทธ๋ ๋ค์ ์ ๋ฐ์ดํธํด๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ง๋ง, ์ด ์์ญ์์ ์ฐ๋ คํ ๋งํ ์์๋ ์ ํ ๋ณด์ด์ง ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์ค์ ์ด์๋ค๊ณ ํ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Ebrahim Poonawala of Bank of America. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋ฑ ํฌ ์ค๋ธ ์๋ฉ๋ฆฌ์นด์ ์๋ธ๋ผํ ํธ๋์๋ผ๋์ผ๋ก๋ถํฐ ๋ฐ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Ebrahim Poonawala: BofA Securities, Research Division I just wanted to -- as we think about NII margin, I think deposit growth and pricing matters. I think, Gunjan, in your opening remarks, you talked about the Bank Smartly partnerships, branches, like all of those from an outside looking in, it's just very hard to figure out whether these are sticky deposits, lower cost deposits. If you don't mind spending some time on just the client acquisition that's happening through these channels and how we should think about either the magnitude of growth they can drive as we look out the next couple of years and the cost structure of these deposits. | **Ebrahim Poonawala:** ์์ด์๋ง์ง์ ์๊ฐํด๋ณผ ๋ ์๊ธ ์ฆ๊ฐ์ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ์ฑ ์ ์ด ์ค์ํ๋ค๊ณ ๋ด ๋๋ค. ๊ตฐ์, ๊ฐํ์ฌ์์ Bank Smartly ํํธ๋์ญ๊ณผ ์ง์ ๋ค์ ๋ํด ๋ง์ํ์ จ๋๋ฐ, ์ธ๋ถ์์ ๋ณด๊ธฐ์๋ ์ด๋ฐ ๊ฒ๋ค์ด ๋๋ํ ์๊ธ์ธ์ง, ์ ๋น์ฉ ์๊ธ์ธ์ง ํ์ ํ๊ธฐ๊ฐ ๋งค์ฐ ์ด๋ ต์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฐ ์ฑ๋๋ค์ ํตํด ์ผ์ด๋๊ณ ์๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ํ๋ณด์ ๋ํด ์๊ฐ์ ๋ด์ ์ค๋ช ํด ์ฃผ์๊ณ , ํฅํ ๋ช ๋ ๊ฐ ์ด๋ค์ด ๊ฒฌ์ธํ ์ ์๋ ์ฑ์ฅ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ์ด๋ฐ ์๊ธ๋ค์ ๋น์ฉ ๊ตฌ์กฐ๋ฅผ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๋ด์ผ ํ ์ง ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์ค ์ ์๋์? |
| President & CEO: Let me start and then John will add on. So the consumer clients and the consumer deposits, as you pointed out, are both sticky and favorably priced according to the total portfolio. And we think about our deposits in 3 big categories: the consumer deposits, which includes our wealth franchise and our wholesale deposits that you're very familiar with. And then we have a large trust business that is quite a unique property. Our ability to drive fee business growth is very helped by the balance sheet presence we have on the wholesale and the trust side. And the pricing there is quite dynamic. So the consumer and our focus on improving the mix of consumer deposits is all about creating stickiness and better funding costs. These clients also then feed enormous growth in other businesses. So we very steadily see a client that might start with us on a core checking account or a core savings account, then deepens with credit card, deepens with wealth and deepens even on the small business side. So those are the strategies across all of the levers that you point out. And I'll add to a digital acquisitions with marketing, which we have really stepped up in terms of our investments and our capabilities there as well. So that's sort of the story on deposits and the consumer franchise. And John, if you'd add something on pricing. | **President & CEO:** ๋จผ์ ์ ๊ฐ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์กด์ด ๋ณด์ถฉํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ง์ํ์ ๋๋ก ์๋น์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๊ณผ ์๋น์ ์๊ธ์ ์ ์ฒด ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค์์ ๋๋ํ ๊ด๊ณ๋ฅผ ์ ์งํ๋ฉด์๋ ์ ๋ฆฌํ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ์ผ๋ก ํ์ฑ๋์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ์๊ธ์ 3๊ฐ์ ํฐ ์นดํ
๊ณ ๋ฆฌ๋ก ๋๋์ด ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฐ์ค ํ๋์ฐจ์ด์ฆ๋ฅผ ํฌํจํ ์๋น์ ์๊ธ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ์ด ์ ์์๋ ๋๋งค ์๊ธ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์๋นํ ๋
ํนํ ์์ฐ์ธ ๋๊ท๋ชจ ์ ํ ์ฌ์
๋ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์์๋ฃ ์ฌ์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๊ฒฌ์ธํ๋ ์ ํฌ ๋ฅ๋ ฅ์ ๋๋งค์ ์ ํ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ๋ณด์ ํ ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ ์กด์ฌ๊ฐ์ ํฌ๊ฒ ๋์์ ๋ฐ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ์ชฝ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ์ฑ ์ ์ ์๋นํ ์ญ๋์ ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์๋น์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ๊ณผ ์๋น์ ์๊ธ ๋ฏน์ค ๊ฐ์ ์ ๋ํ ์ ํฌ ์ง์ค์ ๋ชจ๋ ๋๋ํจ์ ๋ง๋ค์ด๋ด๊ณ ๋ ๋์ ์๊ธ์กฐ๋ฌ ๋น์ฉ์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฐ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ ๋ํ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์ฌ์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ์์ฒญ๋ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ์๋๋ ฅ์ด ๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ด ํต์ฌ ๋น์ข์๊ธ ๊ณ์ข๋ ํต์ฌ ์ ์ถ๊ณ์ข๋ก ์์ํด์ ์ ์ฉ์นด๋๋ก ๊ด๊ณ๋ฅผ ์ฌํํ๊ณ , ์์ฐ๊ด๋ฆฌ๋ก ํ์ฅํ๋ฉฐ, ์ฌ์ง์ด ์์๊ณต์ธ ์๋น์ค๊น์ง ์ด์ฉํ๋ ํจํด์ ๋งค์ฐ ๊พธ์คํ ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ด ๋ง์ํ์ ๋ชจ๋ ๋ ๋ฒ์ ๊ฑธ์น ์ ํฌ ์ ๋ต์ ๋๋ค. ์ฌ๊ธฐ์ ๋ง์ผํ ์ ํตํ ๋์งํธ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ํ๋ณด๋ ์ถ๊ฐํ๊ฒ ๋๋ฐ, ์ด ๋ถ๋ถ์์ ์ ํฌ๋ ํฌ์์ ์ญ๋์ ์ ๋ง ํฌ๊ฒ ๊ฐํํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ด ์๊ธ๊ณผ ์๋น์ ์ฌ์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ์ ์ฒด์ ์ธ ์คํ ๋ฆฌ์ ๋๋ค. John, ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ์ ์ฑ ์ ๋ํด ์ถ๊ฐ ์ค๋ช ๋ถํ๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. |
| John Stern: Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer Yes. A couple of things I would just mention is, we feel very good about where the deposit portfolio shaped out this quarter. We saw very strong growth in both consumer as well as on the commercial side of the equation. Our desire, as Gunjan -- just to reiterate what she said, our growth is related to -- on deposits is to grow where it matters and where it's conducive to supporting fee growth. And so when we think about Smartly, and you mentioned that product, Ebrahim, for us, we are highly encouraged because it is a product that has 3x as much multiproducts attached to that client when they open up this product. That in and of itself, we know that has more stickiness to it. It brings in a new type of client into our -- into the bank, which is from a credit card standpoint, about half of the cards that open up are new relationships that we have to the bank, which is very encouraging. And so -- and then on the commercial side of the house, we saw a lot of growth on the deposit side across all sorts of different areas including treasury management and the investments we've been making in that business over the last couple of years really starting to come to fruition. We saw a lot of growth in investment services this quarter. There's just a lot of business activity. And so we gained a lot of deposits as there's just a lot of investments moving around. And so we house those deposits while that is occurring. So all this activity that occurs is really beneficial to us. And for that reason, we saw benefits to our fee categories, as you saw this quarter. And it's really all interconnected, which is what -- the point of what Gunjan was saying earlier in the call. | **John Stern:** ๋ค, ๋ช ๊ฐ์ง ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ถ์ ๊ฒ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์๊ธ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค๊ฐ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๊ตฌ์ฑ๋์๋์ง์ ๋ํด ๋งค์ฐ ๋ง์กฑ์ค๋ฝ๊ฒ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ฐ์ธ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๊ณผ ๊ธฐ์
๊ณ ๊ฐ ์์ชฝ ๋ชจ๋์์ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ณด์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ฑด์์ด ๋งํ ๋ด์ฉ์ ๋ค์ ํ๋ฒ ๊ฐ์กฐํ์๋ฉด, ์๊ธ์์์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ์ค์ํ ๋ถ๋ถ์์, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์์๋ฃ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ท๋ฐ์นจํ๋ ๋ฐ ๋์์ด ๋๋ ๊ณณ์์ ์ฑ์ฅํ๋ ๊ฒ๊ณผ ๊ด๋ จ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ Smartly์ ๋ํด ์๊ฐํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ์๋ธ๋ผํ์ด ์ธ๊ธํ์ ๊ทธ ์ํ ๋ง์ ๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ์๊ฒ๋ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ณ ๋ฌด์ ์ ๋๋ค. ์๋ํ๋ฉด ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ด ์ด ์ํ์ ๊ฐ์คํ ๋ 3๋ฐฐ ๋ ๋ง์ ๋ณตํฉ์ํ์ด ์ฐ๊ฒฐ๋๋ ์ํ์ด๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ ์์ฒด๋ก ๋ ๋์ ๊ณ ์ฐฉ์ฑ์ ๊ฐ์ง๊ณ ์๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ์๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์ํ์ ์๋ก์ด ์ ํ์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ ์ ์นํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ์ฉ์นด๋ ๊ด์ ์์ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์๋ก ๊ฐ์ค๋๋ ์นด๋์ ์ฝ ์ ๋ฐ์ด ์ํ๊ณผ ์๋ก์ด ๊ด๊ณ๋ฅผ ๋งบ๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ด์ด์ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ณ ๋ฌด์ ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์๋ ์๊ธ๊ด๋ฆฌ(treasury management)๋ฅผ ํฌํจํ ๋ค์ํ ์์ญ์์ ์๊ธ ์ธก๋ฉด์ ๋ง์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ณด์๊ณ , ์ง๋ ๋ช ๋ ๊ฐ ํด๋น ์ฌ์ ์ ํฌ์ํ ๊ฒ๋ค์ด ์ ๋ง๋ก ๊ฒฐ์ค์ ๋งบ๊ธฐ ์์ํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ํฌ์ ์๋น์ค์์๋ ๋ง์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ณด์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๋ง ๋ง์ ์ฌ์ ํ๋์ด ์์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ๋ง์ ํฌ์ ์๊ธ์ด ์์ง์ด๋ฉด์ ๋ง์ ์๊ธ์ ํ๋ณดํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฐ ์ผ๋ค์ด ์ผ์ด๋๋ ๋์ ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ๊ทธ ์๊ธ๋ค์ ๋ณด๊ดํ๊ณ ์๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ๋ชจ๋ ํ๋๋ค์ด ์ค์ ๋ก ์ ํฌ์๊ฒ ๋งค์ฐ ์ ์ตํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๋ณด์ จ๋ฏ์ด ์์๋ฃ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ํํ์ ์ป์ ์ ์์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด ๋ชจ๋ ๊ฒ๋ค์ด ์ ๋ง ์ํธ ์ฐ๊ฒฐ๋์ด ์๋๋ฐ, ์ด๊ฒ์ด ๋ฐ๋ก ๊ฑด์์ด ํตํ ์ด๋ฐ์ ๋งํ๋ ์์ ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Ebrahim Poonawala: BofA Securities, Research Division Got it. That's helpful. And I guess maybe going back to the margin discussion, John. So you've talked about pretty good expansion this quarter. You've talked about the 3%. I'm just wondering as we think through the journey from 2.75% to 3%, is there a point where there's a pretty material inflection outside of like the back book repricing, everything that you talked about? I'm just wondering, is there a chance you could hit 3% by this time next year, by the fourth quarter? Is it just very steady state? Or are there going to be big step-ups in the progress towards that 3% NIM? | **Ebrahim Poonawala:** ๋ค, ๋์์ด ๋๋ ์ง๋ฌธ์ด๋ค์. ๋ง์ง ๋ ผ์๋ก ๋ค์ ๋์๊ฐ์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๊ฝค ์ข์ ํ์ฅ์ ๋ณด์๊ณ 3%์ ๋ํด์๋ ๋ง์๋๋ ธ์ต๋๋ค. 2.75%์์ 3%๋ก ๊ฐ๋ ์ฌ์ ์ ์๊ฐํด๋ณผ ๋, ๋ฐฑ๋ถ ๋ฆฌํ๋ผ์ด์ฑ(back book repricing)์ด๋ ์์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๋ชจ๋ ์์๋ค ์ธ์ ์๋นํ ์ค์ํ ๋ณ๊ณก์ ์ด ์์์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ด๋ ์ด๋ง๋, ์ฆ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ๊น์ง 3%์ ๋๋ฌํ ๊ฐ๋ฅ์ฑ์ด ์์๊น์? ์๋๋ฉด ๋งค์ฐ ์์ ์ ์ธ ์ํ์ผ๊น์? ์๋๋ฉด ๊ทธ 3% ์์ด์๋ง์ง(NIM)์ ํฅํ ์ง์ ๊ณผ์ ์์ ํฐ ํญ์ ์์น์ด ์์๊น์? |
| John Stern: Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer Sure. So I won't repeat everything I said on the drivers. But the -- but to your point on the speed in which you get there, I'll point out that the curve from a SOFR versus 5-year treasury is still quite inverted. And so a speed up, if you will, of margin could be -- the Fed is programmatically cutting. The curve is more upward sloping on that part of the curve, and that could really help boost the speed in which net interest margin improves. The other sides on the asset side are going to be a little bit more mechanical and more we are embedded in how we move forward. But it's really going to be that -- the macro that's going to drive the speed in which we get there. | **John Stern:** ์ ๊ฐ ์์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๋๋ ฅ ์์ธ๋ค์ ๋ฐ๋ณตํ์ง๋ ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ๋ง์ํ์ ์๋ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ๋ณด๋ฉด, SOFR ๋๋น 5๋
๋ง๊ธฐ ๊ตญ์ฑ์ ์ปค๋ธ๊ฐ ์ฌ์ ํ ์๋นํ ์ญ์ ๋์ด ์๋ค๋ ์ ์ ์ง์ ํ๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ๋ง์ง ๊ฐ์ ์๋๊ฐ ๋นจ๋ผ์ง ์ ์๋๋ฐ, ์ฐ์ค์ด ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ธ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ธํํ๊ณ ์๊ณ , ์ปค๋ธ์ ํด๋น ๊ตฌ๊ฐ์์ ๋ ์ํฅ ๊ธฐ์ธ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์์ด์ ์์ด์๋ง์ง(net interest margin) ๊ฐ์ ์๋๋ฅผ ์ค์ ๋ก ํฌ๊ฒ ๋์ผ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์์ฐ ์ธก๋ฉด์ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์์๋ค์ ์ข ๋ ๊ธฐ๊ณ์ ์ด๊ณ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์์ผ๋ก ๋์๊ฐ๋ ๋ฐฉ์์ ๋ ๋ด์ฌ๋์ด ์์ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๋ชฉํ์ ๋๋ฌํ๋ ์๋๋ฅผ ์ข์ฐํ ๊ฒ์ ๋ฐ๋ก ๊ทธ ๊ฑฐ์๊ฒฝ์ ์ ์์ธ๋ค์ ๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Michael Mayo of Wells Fargo. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ Wells Fargo์ Michael Mayo๋๊ป์ ์ฃผ์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Michael Mayo: Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division I don't know if we put this in the category of the Loch Ness Monster, the Bermuda Triangle and the contents of NDFI, but I'm sure many appreciate your detailing of NDFI. But that's not really the way you run the business by NDFI. So I guess it's just connecting regulatory reporting with your business lines. But since you did disclose that, can you just give us a little bit more color? You say that credit quality is higher on NDFI than your core C&I portfolio, which is interesting. NDFI is 12% of the total loan book. Like where would that have been, say, 5 or 10 years ago? And any loans that you're not pursuing? I mean, the key to good credit quality is choosing to say no a lot. | **Michael Mayo:** ๋ค์คํธ ๊ดด๋ฌผ, ๋ฒ๋ฎค๋ค ์ผ๊ฐ์ง๋, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ NDFI์ ๋ด์ฉ์ ๊ฐ์ ๋ฒ์ฃผ์ ๋ฃ์ด์ผ ํ ์ง๋ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง๋ง, NDFI์ ๋ํ ์์ธํ ์ค๋ช
์ ํด์ฃผ์ ๊ฒ์ ๋ง์ ๋ถ๋ค์ด ๊ฐ์ฌํ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ค์ ๋ก๋ NDFI๋ก ์ฌ์
์ ์ด์ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ์๋์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋์ ๊ท์ ๋ณด๊ณ ์ ์ฌ์
๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ์ฐ๊ฒฐํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ด๋ฏธ ๊ณต๊ฐํ์ ๋งํผ, ์กฐ๊ธ ๋ ์์ธํ ์ค๋ช ํด ์ฃผ์ค ์ ์์๊น์? NDFI์ ์ ์ฉ ํ์ง์ด ํต์ฌ ๊ธฐ์ ๊ธ์ต(C&I) ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค๋ณด๋ค ๋๋ค๊ณ ํ์ จ๋๋ฐ, ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ์ต๋๋ค. NDFI๊ฐ ์ ์ฒด ๋์ถ ์ฅ๋ถ์ 12%๋ฅผ ์ฐจ์งํ๋ค๊ณ ํ์ จ๋๋ฐ, 5๋ ์ ์ด๋ 10๋ ์ ์๋ ์ด๋ ์ ๋ ์์ค์ด์์๊น์? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ถ๊ตฌํ์ง ์๋ ๋์ถ์ด ์๋์? ์ข์ ์ ์ฉ ํ์ง์ ํต์ฌ์ ๋ง์ด ๊ฑฐ์ ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด๋๊น์. |
| John Stern: Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer Sure, Mike, and thanks. I think the slide is in there because there's just been a lot of interest in the industry. You're right. I mean there's -- it is a very broad and set of businesses within there. Obviously, as you know, mortgage warehouse lending and subscription lines and auto ABS are very different items. We just wanted to show that the sort of categories that we have. I think the point that what we're trying to make is that our risk disciplines and how we think about the diversification of this book is something that we spend a lot of time on. And it's not just the category for the category's sake. It's just the way we operate in terms of our credit culture. So we think about the multiple ways that there's repayment. We think about how fees are overcollateralized. We think about the data that is needed to look through on some of these structures and things like that and the risk limits embedded in there. And ultimately, we know these clients a lot over many years. Many of these clients we've been servicing in many different products over a vast number of years. And in terms of the growth that we've seen, I don't have a number for you in terms of 5 or 10 years, but it obviously has grown pretty substantially over the last several years, and -- but we're very comfortable with it because we -- again, we know the clients. | **John Stern:** ๋ค, ๋ง์ดํฌ, ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ํด๋น ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋๋ฅผ ํฌํจํ ์ด์ ๋ ์
๊ณ์์ ๋ง์ ๊ด์ฌ์ ๋ฐ๊ณ ์๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์
๋๋ค. ๋ง์์ด ๋ง์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ ์์๋ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ด๋ฒ์ํ๊ณ ๋ค์ํ ์ฌ์
๋ค์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ์์๋ค์ํผ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง ์ฐฝ๊ณ ๋์ถ(mortgage warehouse lending)๊ณผ ๊ตฌ๋
ํ๋๋์ถ(subscription lines), ์๋์ฐจ ์์ฐ์ ๋ํ์ฆ๊ถ(auto ABS)์ ์์ ํ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์ํ๋ค์
๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ๋ณด์ ํ๊ณ ์๋ ์นดํ
๊ณ ๋ฆฌ๋ค์ ๋ณด์ฌ๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ถ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ ๋ฌํ๊ณ ์ ํ๋ ํต์ฌ์ ์ด ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค์ ๋ค๊ฐํ์ ๋ํ ์ ํฌ์ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ ์์น๊ณผ ์ฌ๊ณ ๋ฐฉ์์ด ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ๋ง์ ์๊ฐ์ ํฌ์ํ๋ ๋ถ๋ถ์ด๋ผ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๋จ์ํ ์นดํ ๊ณ ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ํ ์นดํ ๊ณ ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์๋๋ผ, ์ ํฌ ์ ์ฉ๋ฌธํ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ์ด์ํ๋ ๋ฐฉ์์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ ํฌ๋ ์ํ์ ๋ํ ๋ค์ํ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ๋ค์ ๊ณ ๋ คํฉ๋๋ค. ์์๋ฃ๊ฐ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๊ณผ๋ด๋ณด๋์ด ์๋์ง ์๊ฐํด๋ณด๊ณ , ์ด๋ฐ ๊ตฌ์กฐ๋ค์ ๋ค์ฌ๋ค๋ณด๋ ๋ฐ ํ์ํ ๋ฐ์ดํฐ์ ๊ทธ ์์ ๋ด์ฌ๋ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ ํ๋ ๋ฑ์ ๊ฒํ ํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ถ๊ทน์ ์ผ๋ก ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ด ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ ์๋ ๊ฐ ๋งค์ฐ ์ ์๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค ์ค ์๋น์๋ ์๋ง์ ๋ค์ํ ์ํ์์ ์ค๋ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ ๋์ ์๋น์ค๋ฅผ ์ ๊ณตํด์จ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ ๋๋ค. ์ฑ์ฅ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ๋ณด๋ฉด, 5๋ ์ด๋ 10๋ ๋จ์์ ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ์์น๋ ๋ง์๋๋ฆด ์ ์์ง๋ง, ์ง๋ ๋ช ๋ ๊ฐ ์๋นํ ํฐ ํญ์ผ๋ก ์ฑ์ฅํ ๊ฒ์ ๋ถ๋ช ํฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ด์ ๋ํด ๋งค์ฐ ํธ์ํ๊ฒ ์๊ฐํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ค์ ๋งํ์ง๋ง, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ ์ ์๊ณ ์๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. |
| President & CEO: And we'd add that these are broad relationships on the fee side in addition to the loan book, and that's just client selection there. | **President & CEO:** ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ด๋ฌํ ๊ด๊ณ๋ค์ ๋์ถ ์ฅ๋ถ ์ธ์๋ ์์๋ฃ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ๊ด๋ฒ์ํ ๊ด๊ณ๋ผ๋ ์ ์ ๋ง๋ถ์ด๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ๋จ์ํ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์ ๋ณ์ ๋ฌธ์ ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Michael Mayo: Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division And my other question is, where would you say you choose to say no a little bit more often than not? In other words, you could have faster loan growth, any bank could. Are there any areas where you say, hey, let's pay more attention to this? | **Michael Mayo:** ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์ง๋ฌธ์, ์ด๋ค ์์ญ์์ ๊ฑฐ์ ์ ์ข ๋ ์์ฃผ ํ์๋ ํธ์ธ์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ค์ ๋งํด, ๋ ๋น ๋ฅธ ๋์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ํ ์๋ ์๊ณ , ์ด๋ค ์ํ์ด๋ ๊ทธ๋ด ์ ์์์์. ํน์ "์ด ๋ถ๋ถ์ ์ข ๋ ์ฃผ์๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ์ธ์ด์"๋ผ๊ณ ๋ง์ํ์๋ ์์ญ์ด ์๋์? |
| John Stern: Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer Sure. We have that conversation all the time on our credit committees and things of that variety. We're talking about line items that -- and single counterparty limits and things of that variety and a number of different things. We're careful about certain areas that have -- that when we look through have more leverage and things of that variety, we want to make sure we understand it. It's all on the credit profile and the client selection is very important. We're servicing a number of the different large players here that are very well known to the market, and we feel very comfortable about the book. | **John Stern:** ๋ฌผ๋ก ์
๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ์ ์ฉ์์ํ์ ๊ฐ์ ๊ณณ์์ ํญ์ ๊ทธ๋ฐ ๋
ผ์๋ฅผ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ฐ๋ณ ํญ๋ชฉ๋ค๊ณผ ๋จ์ผ ๊ฑฐ๋์๋๋ฐฉ ํ๋, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋ค์ํ ์ฌํญ๋ค์ ๋ํด ์ด์ผ๊ธฐํ๊ณ ์์ฃ . ๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง๊ฐ ๋์ ํน์ ์์ญ๋ค์ ๋ํด์๋ ์ ์คํ๊ฒ ์ ๊ทผํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ๊ทธ๋ฐ ๋ถ๋ถ๋ค์ ๋ฉด๋ฐํ ๊ฒํ ํ ๋ ํ์คํ ์ดํดํ๊ณ ๋์ด๊ฐ๋ ค๊ณ ํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ชจ๋ ๊ฒ์ ์ ์ฉ ํ๋กํ์ ๋ฌ๋ ค ์๊ณ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์ ๋ณ์ด ๋งค์ฐ ์ค์ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ์์ฅ์ ์ ์๋ ค์ง ์ฌ๋ฌ ๋ํ ํ๋ ์ด์ด๋ค์๊ฒ ์๋น์ค๋ฅผ ์ ๊ณตํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ ํฌ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค์ ๋ํด ๋งค์ฐ ์์ฌํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Saul Martinez of HSBC. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ HSBC์ ์ฌ์ธ ๋ง๋ฅดํฐ๋ค์ฆ๋๊ป์ ์ฃผ์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Saul Martinez: HSBC Global Investment Research Just wanted to quickly follow up on the fourth quarter net interest income outlook being stable. I get that there is a bias to the upside. But John, you did mention that there are some upside sources and there are some risks. And I think you mentioned credit card favorability in 3Q and some other risks. But I'm not sure I understand, but could you just elaborate a little bit on what the card favorability dynamics are and what the other downside risks are? And what are you assuming there for rates in the fourth quarter? And how are you thinking about the rate backdrop in '26? Are you working with the forward curve, which I think has 5 cuts in it, which presumably would be good for you. But just any color on how you're thinking about the rate backdrop next year and also is it -- what are you assuming for the fourth quarter? And how is it influencing your guidance at all? | **Saul Martinez:** 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ์์ด์์์ต ์ ๋ง์ด ์์ ์ ์ด๋ผ๋ ์ ์ ๋ํด ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒ ํ์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. ์์น ํธํฅ์ด ์๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ์ดํดํฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์กด, ๋ช ๊ฐ์ง ์์น ์์ธ๊ณผ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ๊ฐ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ง์ํ์ จ๋๋ฐ์. 3๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ ์ฉ์นด๋ ํธ์ฌ์ ๋ค๋ฅธ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ๋ค์ ์ธ๊ธํ์ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์๋ฐ, ํ์คํ์ง ์์์์. ์ ์ฉ์นด๋ ํธ์ฌ ์ญํ์ด ๋ฌด์์ธ์ง, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋ค๋ฅธ ํ๋ฐฉ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ๋ค์ด ๋ฌด์์ธ์ง ์ข ๋ ์์ธํ ์ค๋ช ํด ์ฃผ์ค ์ ์๋์? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ๊ธ๋ฆฌ์ ๋ํด์๋ ์ด๋ค ๊ฐ์ ์ ํ๊ณ ๊ณ์ ๊ฐ์? 2026๋ ๊ธ๋ฆฌ ํ๊ฒฝ์ ๋ํด์๋ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์๊ฐํ๊ณ ๊ณ์๋์ง์? 5๋ฒ์ ๊ธ๋ฆฌ ์ธํ๊ฐ ํฌํจ๋ ํฌ์๋ ์ปค๋ธ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก ์์ ํ๊ณ ๊ณ์ ๊ฐ์? ๊ทธ๋ ๋ค๋ฉด ์๋ง ๊ทํ์๊ฒ๋ ์ข์ ์์์ผ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์๋ฐ์. ๋ด๋ ๊ธ๋ฆฌ ํ๊ฒฝ์ ๋ํด ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์๊ฐํ๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ง, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๋ํด์๋ ์ด๋ค ๊ฐ์ ์ ํ๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ํ ์ด๊ฒ์ด ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค์ ์ด๋ค ์ํฅ์ ๋ฏธ์น๊ณ ์๋์ง๋ ์๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. |
| John Stern: Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer Sure. Let me go with the assumptions first. I think that's a good place to start on your questions. From a curve and from a rate perspective, we do include 2 cuts this year. We also have 2 more cuts in 2026. So maybe we're a little bit light relative to the market in terms of cuts, but that obviously always shifts. We do have longer-term yields. I'll just pick on the 10-year treasury as an example, more in the 4 -- excuse me, [ 4.25 to 4.50 ] range for the 2026 year. And so as I think about the fourth quarter to get to the more specifics of what you were talking about, we have a lot of upside in terms of the things that have been working for us in the past in terms of fixed asset repricing. The mix is obviously going to be very favorable for us. When I think about the things that are going the other way for the fourth quarter, we did have meaningful pickup in credit card yield this quarter. There was fees that we picked up as well as just strength in that area. Some of that is seasonality. We expect that to reverse in the fourth quarter just given the trends that we are observing. But all in all, as we put together these things, there's obviously a lot of moving parts, especially in the fourth quarter, but I'll reiterate that we see more opportunity than we do risk as it is embedded into our call. | **John Stern:** ๋จผ์ ๊ฐ์ ๋ถํฐ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ง๋ฌธ์ ์ข์ ์ถ๋ฐ์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ธ๋ฆฌ ๊ณก์ ๊ณผ ๊ธ๋ฆฌ ๊ด์ ์์ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ฌํด 2ํ ์ธํ๋ฅผ ํฌํจํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. 2026๋
์๋ 2ํ ์ถ๊ฐ ์ธํ๋ฅผ ์์ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์์ฅ ๋๋น ์ธํ ํญ์ด ๋ค์ ๋ณด์์ ์ผ ์ ์์ง๋ง, ์ด๋ ํญ์ ๋ณ๋๋ ์ ์๋ ๋ถ๋ถ์
๋๋ค. ์ฅ๊ธฐ ์์ต๋ฅ ์ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ, 10๋ ๊ตญ์ฑ๋ฅผ ์๋ก ๋ค๋ฉด 2026๋ ์๋ 4.25%์์ 4.50% ๋ฒ์์์ ์์ง์ผ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ง์ํ์ ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ๋ด์ฉ์ธ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์๊ฐํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์๊ฒ ํจ๊ณผ์ ์ด์๋ ๊ณ ์ ์์ฐ ์ฌ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ์๋นํ ์์น ์ฌ๋ ฅ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฏน์ค ๋ํ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์๊ฒ ๋งค์ฐ ์ ๋ฆฌํ๊ฒ ์์ฉํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. 4๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๋ฐ๋ ๋ฐฉํฅ์ผ๋ก ์์ฉํ ์์ธ๋ค์ ์ดํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ ์ฉ์นด๋ ์์ต๋ฅ ์ด ์๋ฏธ ์๊ฒ ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. ์์๋ฃ ์์ต๋ ๋์ด๋ฌ๊ณ ํด๋น ์์ญ์์ ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ธ ๊ฐ์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์์ฃ . ์ด ์ค ์ผ๋ถ๋ ๊ณ์ ์ ์์ธ์ ๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ๊ด์ฐฐ๋๋ ์ถ์ธ๋ฅผ ๊ณ ๋ คํ ๋ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ์๋ ์ด๋ฐ ์์น์ธ๊ฐ ๋ฐ์ ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ ์ฒด์ ์ผ๋ก ์ด๋ฐ ์์๋ค์ ์ข ํฉํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ํนํ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ์๋ ๋ณ๋ ์์ธ์ด ๋ง๋ค๋ ์ ์ ๋ถ๋ช ํ์ง๋ง, ์ ํฌ ์ ๋ง์ ๋ฐ์๋ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฐ์ด ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ๋ณด๋ค๋ ๊ธฐํ๊ฐ ๋ ๋ง๋ค๊ณ ๋ณด๊ณ ์๋ค๋ ์ ์ ๋ค์ ํ๋ฒ ๊ฐ์กฐํ๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. |
| President & CEO: And Saul, I'll add that the fourth quarter credit card dynamics are very seasonal and expected. It's the holiday season dynamics. So we expect that. There's nothing unique about what we are seeing in that book just at this time. It's just the holiday season changes the dynamics there a little bit. | **President & CEO:** 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ ์ฉ์นด๋ ๋ํฅ์ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ณ์ ์ ์ด๊ณ ์์ ๊ฐ๋ฅํ ํจํด์ ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ง์ฐ์ ์์ฆ์ ํน์ฑ์ด์ฃ . ์ ํฌ๋ ์ด๋ฅผ ์์ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ํด๋น ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค์์ ๋ณด๊ณ ์๋ ๊ฒ ์ค ํน๋ณํ ๊ฒ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋จ์ง ์ฐ๋ง์ฐ์ ์์ฆ์ด ๊ทธ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ๋ํฅ์ ์กฐ๊ธ ๋ณํ์ํค๋ ๊ฒ๋ฟ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Saul Martinez: HSBC Global Investment Research Okay. Okay. That's helpful. And then maybe the surprised positively spread, I guess, by the size of the sustainable finance business and the growth you've seen there, and it is a pretty big part of the other income line. I just wanted to make sure I understood. You are expecting continued growth as you see a pull forward of some of this activity and from current levels? And if that is the case, I guess what is it -- I guess, what does it mean for the other income line because that has been moving higher, I guess, I know it can jump around quarter-to-quarter, but is that -- should we be thinking that line is going to move higher as well as this business continues to grow? | **Saul Martinez:** ๋ค, ๋์์ด ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ง์๊ฐ๋ฅ๊ธ์ต ์ฌ์ ์ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ธ์ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋๋๋๋ฐ, ์ด๊ฒ์ด ๊ธฐํ์์ต ํญ๋ชฉ์์ ์๋นํ ํฐ ๋ถ๋ถ์ ์ฐจ์งํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๊ฐ ์ฌ๋ฐ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ดํดํ๋์ง ํ์ธํ๊ณ ์ถ์๋ฐ์. ํ์ฌ ์์ค์์ ์ด๋ฌํ ํ๋์ ์ผ๋ถ๊ฐ ์๋น๊ฒจ์ง๋ฉด์ ์ง์์ ์ธ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๊ธฐ๋ํ๊ณ ๊ณ์ ๊ฐ์? ๋ง์ฝ ๊ทธ๋ ๋ค๋ฉด, ๊ธฐํ์์ต ํญ๋ชฉ์๋ ์ด๋ค ์๋ฏธ๊ฐ ์์๊น์? ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ณ๋ก ๋ณ๋์ด ์์ ์ ์๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ์๊ณ ์์ง๋ง, ์ด ์ฌ์ ์ด ๊ณ์ ์ฑ์ฅํจ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ํด๋น ํญ๋ชฉ๋ ์์นํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ด์ผ ํ ๊น์? |
| John Stern: Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer Yes. Our view is that the impact -- this impact finance -- the impact finance line item will improve and increase. We've had, as we saw on the slide, a 17% increase. We expect this to be a high single-digit type of business over the medium term. There's not -- I mean, there may be some pull forward given some of the legislative moves and things of that variety. But I -- we see the momentum in the business. They've been gaining market share. It's an area that the team has had a lot of focus on. And you look about renewable energy tax credits and you look at low-income housing and things of that variety, these are areas that we -- and new market tax credits, we're #1 in terms of that market share. And so we've been building our capabilities here, and we've been -- the additional tailwinds have been some of the administrative or the legislative areas that have helped us here as well. | **John Stern:** ๋ค, ์ ํฌ ๊ฒฌํด๋ก๋ ์ํฉํธ ํ์ด๋ธ์ค ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ด ๊ฐ์ ๋๊ณ ์ฆ๊ฐํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋์์ ๋ณด์ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฐ์ด 17% ์ฆ๊ฐ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ๊ณ , ์ค๊ธฐ์ ์ผ๋ก๋ ํ ์๋ฆฟ์ ํ๋ฐ๋์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ณด์ด๋ ์ฌ์
์ด ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ผ๋ถ ์
๋ฒ ์กฐ์น๋ ๊ทธ๋ฐ ์ข
๋ฅ์ ์์ธ๋ค๋ก ์ธํด ๋ค์ ์๋น๊ฒจ์ง ์ ์๋ ๋ถ๋ถ์ด ์์ ์ ์์ง๋ง, ์ ํฌ๋ ์ด ์ฌ์
์ ๋ชจ๋ฉํ
์ ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์์ฅ ์ ์ ์จ์ ํ๋ํด ๋๊ฐ๊ณ ์๊ณ , ํ์ด ๋ง์ ์ง์ค์ ๊ธฐ์ธ์ด๊ณ ์๋ ์์ญ์
๋๋ค. ์ฌ์์๋์ง ์ธ์ก๊ณต์ ๋ ์ ์๋์ธต ์ฃผํ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋ด๋ง์ผ ์ธ์ก๊ณต์ ๊ฐ์ ๋ถ์ผ๋ค์ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ด๋ฐ ์์ญ์์ ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์์ฅ ์ ์ ์จ 1์๋ฅผ ์ฐจ์งํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ์ด ๋ถ์ผ์์ ์ญ๋์ ๊ตฌ์ถํด์๊ณ , ์ถ๊ฐ์ ์ธ ์ํ์ผ๋ก๋ ํ์ ์ ๋๋ ์ ๋ฒ์ ์์ญ์์ ์ ํฌ์๊ฒ ๋์์ด ๋ ๋ถ๋ถ๋ค์ด ์์์ต๋๋ค. |
| President & CEO: And Saul, you're right. It's quite a large business today. It started out in the other category, and we've had some questions from all of you on sort of what really is there. So we wanted to highlight a part of the business that's actually very core to what we do. It's ingrained in our day-to-day sort of running of the businesses, but it has become quite sizable also because of Union Bank. Union Bank acquisition for us is about 3 years old now, and we are just beginning to realize the revenue benefits of some of that client base and the presence in California, and this business is a good example of sort of what a good strong presence in California can do to certain line items. So very attractive business for us, a long, long-standing business, which just has become quite large now. | **President & CEO:** ๋ง์ต๋๋ค, ์. ํ์ฌ ์๋นํ ํฐ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ์ฌ์
์ด ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฒ์์๋ ๊ธฐํ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ์์๋์๋๋ฐ, ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ๋ค๋ก๋ถํฐ ์ค์ ๋ก ๊ทธ ์์ ๋ฌด์์ด ์๋์ง์ ๋ํ ์ง๋ฌธ๋ค์ ๋ฐ์์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ์ค์ ๋ก ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ํ๋ ์ผ์ ํต์ฌ์ด ๋๋ ์ฌ์
๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ๋ถ๊ฐ์ํค๊ณ ์ถ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์ ํฌ์ ์ผ์์ ์ธ ์ฌ์
์ด์์ ๊น์ด ๋ฟ๋ฆฌ๋ฐํ ์์ง๋ง, ์ ๋์ธ๋ฑ
ํฌ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๊ท๋ชจ๋ ์๋นํ ์ปค์ก์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ์๊ฒ ์ ๋์ธ๋ฑ ํฌ ์ธ์๋ ์ด์ ์ฝ 3๋ ์ ๋ ๋์๊ณ , ๊ทธ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ๊ณผ ์บ๋ฆฌํฌ๋์ ๋ด ์ ์ง๋ก๋ถํฐ ์์ต ํํ์ ์ด์ ๋ง ์คํํ๊ธฐ ์์ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด ์ฌ์ ์ ์บ๋ฆฌํฌ๋์์์์ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์ ์ง๊ฐ ํน์ ํญ๋ชฉ๋ค์ ์ด๋ค ํจ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์ ธ๋ค์ค ์ ์๋์ง ๋ณด์ฌ์ฃผ๋ ์ข์ ์ฌ๋ก์ ๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ์๊ฒ๋ ๋งค์ฐ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ์ฌ์ ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ค๋ซ๋์ ์ง์๋์ด ์จ ์ฌ์ ์ธ๋ฐ ์ด์ ๋ ์๋นํ ํฐ ๊ท๋ชจ๊ฐ ๋์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Gerard Cassidy of RBC Capital Markets. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ RBC ์บํผํธ ๋ง์ผ์ ์ ๋ผ๋ ์บ์๋๋ก๋ถํฐ ๋์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Gerard Cassidy: RBC Capital Markets, Research Division Can you guys share with us -- obviously, there's a lot of talk about stablecoin and the impact it may have on the payments business. And can you share with us how you're getting out in front of it and what you're doing to prepare yourselves for the stablecoin activity eventually coming into the payments business? | **Gerard Cassidy:** ์คํ ์ด๋ธ์ฝ์ธ๊ณผ ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ด ๊ฒฐ์ ์ฌ์ ์ ๋ฏธ์น ์ ์๋ ์ํฅ์ ๋ํ ๋ ผ์๊ฐ ๋ง์ด ์ด๋ฃจ์ด์ง๊ณ ์๋ ์ํฉ์์, ์ด์ ๋ํด ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์ ์ ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋์ํ๊ณ ๊ณ์๋์ง, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์คํ ์ด๋ธ์ฝ์ธ ํ๋์ด ๊ฒฐ์ ์ฌ์ ์ ๋ณธ๊ฒฉ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ง์ ํ ๋๋ฅผ ๋๋นํด ์ด๋ค ์ค๋น๋ฅผ ํ๊ณ ๊ณ์๋์ง ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์ค ์ ์๋์? |
| President & CEO: Yes, Gerard. So we are working on stablecoins in 2 very distinct areas. The first is around the capital markets and investments part of it, where the business model is very clear and it's very favorable to us. So this is custody and safekeeping of the collateral underlying stable coins or custody and safekeeping of cryptocurrency assets. These are products that we introduced some time back, have reintroduced with the shift in the supervisory environment and are quite confident in our ability to just provide those products. The other side is stable coins as a payment rail, where the client demand is more muted although there are a lot of discussions. And there, our efforts are twofold. One is to just be ready to onboard and offboard a stablecoin into the banking system, and we are working on that in conjunction with the industry consortiums. And then the second is just being ready to provide stablecoin services as a payment vehicle should that market take off within our client base. So we expect to pilot some stablecoin transactions yet this year with some partnerships in the market. I'm also -- we are also very aware that we have a unique franchise in Elan, where we provide credit card payment services to 1,200 banks, smaller banks on a white label service. So this is also a question that we'll get from our smaller bank base. So we are just studying that market and being ready for it if it takes off. But the real momentum from revenues and a clear business case and an economic model is on the custody and investment side. So it's a multidimensional field. It's moving very fast. We've just announced some organizational changes to stay current with the industry as it evolves and more to come there. | **President & CEO:** ๋ค, ์ ํฌ๋ ์คํ
์ด๋ธ์ฝ์ธ ๊ด๋ จํด์ ๋ ๊ฐ์ง ๋งค์ฐ ๊ตฌ๋ณ๋๋ ์์ญ์์ ์์
ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฒซ ๋ฒ์งธ๋ ์๋ณธ์์ฅ๊ณผ ํฌ์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ธ๋ฐ, ์ฌ๊ธฐ์๋ ๋น์ฆ๋์ค ๋ชจ๋ธ์ด ๋งค์ฐ ๋ช
ํํ๊ณ ์ ํฌ์๊ฒ ์๋นํ ์ ๋ฆฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์คํ
์ด๋ธ์ฝ์ธ์ ๊ธฐ์ด๊ฐ ๋๋ ๋ด๋ณด ์์ฐ์ด๋ ์ํธํํ ์์ฐ์ ๋ณด๊ด ๋ฐ ์์ ๋ณด๊ด ์๋น์ค๋ฅผ ๋งํ๋ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ผ๋ง ์ ์ ๋์
ํ๋ ์ํ๋ค๋ก, ๊ฐ๋
ํ๊ฒฝ์ ๋ณํ์ ํจ๊ป ์ฌ๋์
ํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ฌํ ์ํ๋ค์ ์ ๊ณตํ ์ ์๋ ์ ํฌ ์ญ๋์ ๋ํด ์๋นํ ํ์ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ค๋ฅธ ํํธ์ผ๋ก๋ ๊ฒฐ์ ์๋จ์ผ๋ก์์ ์คํ ์ด๋ธ์ฝ์ธ์ด ์๋๋ฐ, ์ฌ๊ธฐ์๋ ๋ง์ ๋ ผ์๊ฐ ์์์๋ ๋ถ๊ตฌํ๊ณ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์์๊ฐ ๋ค์ ์ ํ์ ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด ๋ถ๋ถ์์ ์ ํฌ์ ๋ ธ๋ ฅ์ ๋ ๊ฐ์ง ๋ฐฉํฅ์ผ๋ก ์งํ๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฒซ ๋ฒ์งธ๋ ์คํ ์ด๋ธ์ฝ์ธ์ ์ํ ์์คํ ์ ์จ๋ณด๋ฉํ๊ณ ์คํ๋ณด๋ฉํ ์ ์๋๋ก ์ค๋นํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ์ ๊ณ ์ปจ์์์๊ณผ ํจ๊ป ์์ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ ๋ฒ์งธ๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ธต ๋ด์์ ํด๋น ์์ฅ์ด ์ฑ์ฅํ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ ๊ฒฐ์ ์๋จ์ผ๋ก์ ์คํ ์ด๋ธ์ฝ์ธ ์๋น์ค๋ฅผ ์ ๊ณตํ ์ค๋น๋ฅผ ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ฌํด ์ค์ ์์ฅ ๋ด ํํธ๋์ญ์ ํตํด ์ผ๋ถ ์คํ ์ด๋ธ์ฝ์ธ ๊ฑฐ๋๋ฅผ ์๋ฒ ์ด์ํ ์์ ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ํ ์ ํฌ๋ Elan์์ ๋ ํนํ ํ๋์ฐจ์ด์ฆ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ ํ๊ณ ์๋ค๋ ์ ์ ์ ์๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. 1,200๊ฐ์ ์๊ท๋ชจ ์ํ๋ค์๊ฒ ํ์ดํธ๋ผ๋ฒจ ์๋น์ค๋ก ์ ์ฉ์นด๋ ๊ฒฐ์ ์๋น์ค๋ฅผ ์ ๊ณตํ๊ณ ์๊ฑฐ๋ ์. ์ด๋ ์๊ท๋ชจ ์ํ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ธต์์๋ ๋ฐ๊ฒ ๋ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ํด๋น ์์ฅ์ ์ฐ๊ตฌํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์์ฅ์ด ์ฑ์ฅํ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ๋ฅผ ๋๋นํด ์ค๋นํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์์ต๊ณผ ๋ช ํํ ๋น์ฆ๋์ค ์ผ์ด์ค, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ฒฝ์ ์ ๋ชจ๋ธ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ์ง์ ํ ๋ชจ๋ฉํ ์ ์ปค์คํฐ๋์ ํฌ์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ๋์ค๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ค์ฐจ์์ ์ธ ์์ญ์ด์ฃ . ๋งค์ฐ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์์ง์ด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๊ณ๊ฐ ๋ฐ์ ํ๋ ์๋์ ๋ง์ถฐ ์ต์ ์ํ๋ฅผ ์ ์งํ๊ธฐ ์ํด ์กฐ์ง ๋ณ๊ฒฝ์ฌํญ๋ค์ ๋ฐฉ๊ธ ๋ฐํํ๊ณ , ์์ผ๋ก ๋ ๋ง์ ๋ณํ๊ฐ ์์ ์์ ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Gerard Cassidy: RBC Capital Markets, Research Division Very good. And then can you remind us when you look out over the next 12 or 24 months, as your CET1 ratio with the AOCI included continues to grow, your views of returning capital to shareholders for years, U.S. Bancorp consistently returned 75% to 80% of earnings. Can you kind of refresh our memories on what you think the long-term return will be to shareholders? | **Gerard Cassidy:** ๋งค์ฐ ์ข์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ํฅํ 12๊ฐ์ ๋๋ 24๊ฐ์์ ๋ด๋ค๋ณผ ๋, AOCI๊ฐ ํฌํจ๋ CET1 ๋น์จ์ด ๊ณ์ ์ฆ๊ฐํ๋ฉด์ ์ฃผ์ฃผ๋ค์๊ฒ ์๋ณธ์ ํ์ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋ํ ๊ฒฌํด๋ฅผ ๋ค์ ํ๋ฒ ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์ค ์ ์๋์? ์๋ ๊ฐ US Bancorp์ ์ผ๊ด๋๊ฒ ์์ต์ 75%์์ 80%๋ฅผ ํ์ํด์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฃผ์ฃผ๋ค์๊ฒ ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ํ์ํ ๋น์จ์ ๋ํ ์๊ฐ์ ๋ค์ ํ๋ฒ ์๊ธฐ์์ผ ์ฃผ์ค ์ ์์๊น์? |
| John Stern: Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer Sure. Gerard, it's John here. So we're obviously continuing to build our capital base. I would consider that we're in the final lap, if you will, of building out our capital. We were at 8.4% a couple of years ago. You'll recall, we're at 10.9% now, where we gave you the number including AOCI and where we're attempting to get into. Obviously, we are looking to increase that amount. It may not be this quarter, but as we look into 2026, we certainly have feel that the glide path will be there to increase our pace and get to that 75% area that we had mentioned on the slide that you'll see there. We're very much committed to that. And so that, along with the things we have to balance things like loan growth and things like that, we'll take it quarter-by-quarter, but that just gives you kind of high level how we're thinking about it. | **John Stern:** ๋ค, ์ ๋ผ๋, ์กด์ ๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ๋ถ๋ช ํ ์๋ณธ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ์ ๊ณ์ ๊ตฌ์ถํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์๋ณธ ๊ตฌ์ถ์ ๋ง์ง๋ง ๋จ๊ณ์ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ณด์๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ๋ช ๋ ์ 8.4%์๋ ๊ฒ์ด ํ์ฌ 10.9%๊ฐ ๋์๊ณ , ์ด๋ AOCI๋ฅผ ํฌํจํ ์์น๋ก ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ๋ชฉํ๋ก ํ๋ ์์ค์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด ๋น์จ์ ๋ ๋์ด๋ ค๊ณ ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ ์๋ ์๋ ์์ง๋ง, 2026๋ ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ๋ณด๋ฉด์ ํ์คํ ๊ถค๋์ ์ฌ๋ผ ์๋๋ฅผ ๋์ฌ์ ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋์์ ๋ณด์ค ์ ์๋ 75% ์์ค์ ๋๋ฌํ ์ ์์ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด์ ๋ํด ํ๊ณ ํ ์ ๋ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ๋ฅ ๊ณผ ๊ฐ์ ์์๋ค๊ณผ ํจ๊ป ๊ท ํ์ ๋ง์ถฐ๊ฐ๋ฉฐ ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ณ๋ก ์ ๊ทผํด ๋๊ฐ ์์ ์ ๋๋ค. ์ง๊ธ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๊ฒ์ ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ด๋ค ๋ฐฉํฅ์ผ๋ก ์๊ฐํ๊ณ ์๋์ง์ ๋ํ ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ธ ๊ด์ ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Gerard Cassidy: RBC Capital Markets, Research Division Great. And Gunjan, thank you for bringing Mark to [indiscernible] for the details about payments. We appreciate it. | **Gerard Cassidy:** ํ๋ฅญํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ Gunjan, Mark์ ๋ฐ๋ ค์์ ๊ฒฐ์ ๊ด๋ จ ์ธ๋ถ์ฌํญ์ ์ค๋ช ํด์ฃผ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์ ๋ง ๊ณ ๋ง์ต๋๋ค. |
| President & CEO: Thank you, Gerard. Mark and Courtney. So Courtney will present on the card issuing business, which is sort of a big part of our business, and Mark will join you for MPS. So look forward to that. | **President & CEO:** ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค, Gerard. Mark์ Courtney๊ฐ ๋ฐํํ ์์ ์ ๋๋ค. Courtney๋ ์ ํฌ ์ฌ์ ์ ํฐ ๋ถ๋ถ์ ์ฐจ์งํ๋ ์นด๋ ๋ฐ๊ธ ์ฌ์ ์ ๋ํด ๋ฐํํ๊ณ , Mark๋ MPS ๊ด๋ จํด์ ํจ๊ป ์ฐธ์ฌํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ธฐ๋ํด ์ฃผ์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Erika Najarian of UBS. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ UBS์ ์๋ฆฌ์นด ๋์๋ฆฌ์์ผ๋ก๋ถํฐ ๋ฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| L. Erika Penala: UBS Investment Bank, Research Division Just a few cleanup questions, if I may. Just first, I wanted to clarify, John, you said fixed asset repricing is 2 to 3 basis points of embedded lift. I just wanted to clarify if that embedded lift is a per quarter statement? And also, as we think about fixed asset repricing, is that more tethered to the belly of the curve or the 10-year range that you mentioned [indiscernible] ? | **L. Erika Penala:** ๋ช ๊ฐ์ง ์ ๋ฆฌ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋จผ์ John๊ป์ ๊ณ ์ ์์ฐ ์ฌ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ๊ฒฐ์ (fixed asset repricing)์ด 2~3bp์ ๋ด์ฌ๋ ์์น ์ฌ๋ ฅ์ด ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ง์ํ์ จ๋๋ฐ, ์ด ๋ด์ฌ๋ ์์น ์ฌ๋ ฅ์ด ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ณ ์์น์ธ์ง ๋ช ํํ ํด์ฃผ์ค ์ ์๋์? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ณ ์ ์์ฐ ์ฌ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ๊ฒฐ์ ์ ์๊ฐํ ๋, ์ด๊ฒ์ด ์์ต๋ฅ ๊ณก์ ์ ์ค๊ฐ ๋ถ๋ถ๊ณผ ๋ ์ฐ๊ด์ด ์๋์ง ์๋๋ฉด ๋ง์ํ์ 10๋ ๋ฌผ ๊ตฌ๊ฐ๊ณผ ๋ ์ฐ๊ด์ด ์๋์ง๋ ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. |
| John Stern: Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer Sure. So yes, just to be clear, let me -- and thank you for allowing me to clarify. When I said the 2 to 3 basis points, I was referring to mix as well as fixed asset repricing that we have on a quarterly basis. So think of that as an embedded quarterly type of improvement that should be happening. Now as we know, every quarter, there can be movements in balance sheet that can alter net interest margin, and we don't always manage net interest margin as an output. But directionally, obviously, we want that to improve and things of that variety. And then in terms of the mix -- or excuse me, the repricing and where we focus on, it's more of the belly of the curve is probably more appropriate. The 5-year treasury, I think, is always a good proxy to look at and obviously, spreads where those are at, whether it's mortgage spreads or credit spreads just in general. So that's -- those are the items that I look at. | **John Stern:** ๋ค, ๋ช
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๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฅผ ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ณ๋ก ๋ฐ์ํด์ผ ํ๋ ๋ด์ฌ๋ ๊ฐ์ ํจ๊ณผ๋ก ์ดํดํ์๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก ๋งค ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ง๋ค ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ์ ๋ณ๋์ด ์์ ์ ์๊ณ , ์ด๋ ์์ด์๋ง์ง(NIM)์ ์ํฅ์ ์ค ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ํญ์ ์์ด์๋ง์ง์ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ ์งํ๋ก๋ง ๊ด๋ฆฌํ์ง๋ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ๋ฐฉํฅ์ฑ ์ธก๋ฉด์์๋ ๋น์ฐํ ๊ฐ์ ๋๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฌ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ์ฑ ์ ๊ณผ ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ง์คํ๋ ๋ถ๋ถ์ ๋ํด์๋, ์์ต๋ฅ ๊ณก์ ์ ์ค๊ฐ ๊ตฌ๊ฐ(belly of the curve)์ ๋ ์ด์ ์ ๋ง์ถ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์ ์ ํ๋ค๊ณ ๋ด ๋๋ค. 5๋ ๋ง๊ธฐ ๊ตญ์ฑ๊ฐ ํญ์ ์ข์ ์งํ๋ผ๊ณ ์๊ฐํ๊ณ , ๋น์ฐํ ์คํ๋ ๋๋ ์ค์ํ์ฃ . ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง ์คํ๋ ๋๋ ์ผ๋ฐ์ ์ธ ์ ์ฉ ์คํ๋ ๋๋ ํ์ฌ ์์ค์ด ์ด๋์ ์๋์ง ๋ด ๋๋ค. ์ ๊ฐ ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ๋ ํญ๋ชฉ๋ค์ด ๋ฐ๋ก ์ด๋ฐ ๊ฒ๋ค์ ๋๋ค. |
| L. Erika Penala: UBS Investment Bank, Research Division And my second question is for Gunjan. The stock is clearly reacting favorably today. You had a nice beat to consensus really on the revenue side, and it's really the revenue side that's driving the positive operating leverage this quarter. As you think forward, how are you balancing some of the embedded momentum that you have been talking about on this call that you're going to continue to talk about in Boston in a few weeks versus what seems to be a lot of questions and pressure on larger management teams in terms of questions on scale and having a relatively short inorganic growth window in this -- under this current administration. | **L. Erika Penala:** ์ฃผ์์ด ์ค๋ ํ์คํ ํธ์์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ฐ์ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋งค์ถ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ์ปจ์ผ์์ค๋ฅผ ํฌ๊ฒ ์ํํ๋ ์ข์ ์ค์ ์ ๋ณด์ฌ์ฃผ์ จ๊ณ , ์ค์ ๋ก ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ธ ์ด์ ๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง๋ฅผ ๊ฒฌ์ธํ ๊ฒ๋ ๋ฐ๋ก ๋งค์ถ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ์์ผ๋ก๋ฅผ ์๊ฐํด๋ณผ ๋, ์ด๋ฒ ํตํ์์ ๋ง์ํ์ จ๊ณ ๋ช ์ฃผ ํ ๋ณด์คํด์์๋ ๊ณ์ ์ธ๊ธํ์ค ๋ด์ฌ๋ ๋ชจ๋ฉํ ๊ณผ, ํ ํ์ ๋ถ ํ์์ ์๋์ ์ผ๋ก ์งง์ ๋น์ ๊ธฐ์ ์ฑ์ฅ ๊ธฐํ์ ์ฐฝ๊ณผ ๊ด๋ จํ์ฌ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ๋ํ ์ง๋ฌธ๋ค๊ณผ ๋ํ ๊ฒฝ์์ง๋ค์ด ๋ฐ๊ณ ์๋ ๋ง์ ์ง๋ฌธ๋ค๊ณผ ์๋ฐ ์ฌ์ด์์ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๊ท ํ์ ๋ง์ถ๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ง์? |
| President & CEO: Erika, thank you for the question. We -- when I stepped into my role now 6 months back, we had very clearly articulated 3 priorities, and they were connected to each other. The first most urgent from a sequencing and timing standpoint was expenses. It was -- our opportunity was very real there. We had finished embedding Union Bank. We had finished all of the work we were doing to restore our capital positions. And it was appropriate to bring the efficiency ratio back to what the business model requires it to be, which is mid- to high 50s. Having done that, we exceeded what we wanted to do from the efficiency ratio and positive operating leverage standpoint and released a fair amount of investment to invest in organic growth. And you're beginning to see that show up now. And you'll see payments show up sequentially a little bit behind that just because the sales cycles and the revenue models take time. That's why we talk about leading indicators. So it's less a matter of balancing between them, but one fueling the other with the ultimate goal being EPS growth that is also accompanied by very high attractive returns. And you'll know John pointed out that we have increased our -- we have maintained and increased our return on tangible capital very specifically. So going forward, you'll see the growth side of the equation become more present in our strategies. First, with all of the fee businesses, our evolution to a more attractive asset side with more leaning in on C&I and credit loans and on deposits, more attractive balance sheet leaning in on the consumer side. So you see NII growth and you see fee growth and then you're going to start seeing the strategies for payments. So we are feeling very good about the momentum organically over time and certainly see very real opportunity and quite a lot of runway on organic growth for us. | **President & CEO:** ์๋ฆฌ์นด, ์ง๋ฌธ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์ ๊ฐ 6๊ฐ์ ์ ์ด ์ญํ ์ ๋งก์์ ๋, ์๋ก ์ฐ๊ฒฐ๋ 3๊ฐ์ง ์ฐ์ ์์๋ฅผ ๋ช
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๋ ๋ง์ณค์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ํจ์จ์ฑ ๋น์จ(efficiency ratio)์ ๋น์ฆ๋์ค ๋ชจ๋ธ์ด ์๊ตฌํ๋ ์์ค์ธ 50%๋ ์คํ๋ฐ์ผ๋ก ๋๋๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์ ์ ํ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ ์์ ์ ์๋ฃํ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ, ํจ์จ์ฑ ๋น์จ๊ณผ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ด์ ๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง ๊ด์ ์์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ์ด๊ณผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ๊ณ , ์๋นํ ํฌ์ ์ฌ๋ ฅ์ ํ๋ณดํด ์ ๊ธฐ์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ํฌ์ํ ์ ์๊ฒ ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ ์ฑ๊ณผ๊ฐ ์ด์ ๋ํ๋๊ธฐ ์์ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋ณด์ค ์ ์์ ๊ฒ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋งค์ถ ์ฌ์ดํด๊ณผ ์์ต ๋ชจ๋ธ์ ์๊ฐ์ด ๊ฑธ๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๊ฒฐ์ ๋ ๊ทธ๋ณด๋ค ์กฐ๊ธ ๋ฆ๊ฒ ์์ฐจ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ํ๋๊ฒ ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ด ๋ฐ๋ก ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ ํ์งํ์ ๋ํด ์ด์ผ๊ธฐํ๋ ์ด์ ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ด๋ ๋ ์ฌ์ด์ ๊ท ํ์ ๋ง์ถ๋ ๋ฌธ์ ๋ผ๊ธฐ๋ณด๋ค๋, ํ๋๊ฐ ๋ค๋ฅธ ํ๋๋ฅผ ๊ฒฌ์ธํ๋ฉด์ ๊ถ๊ทน์ ์ผ๋ก๋ ๋งค์ฐ ๋๊ณ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ์์ต๋ฅ ์ ๋๋ฐํ ์ฃผ๋น์์ด์ต(EPS) ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ชฉํ๋ก ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ John์ด ์ง์ ํ๋ฏ์ด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ ํ์๋ณธ์์ต๋ฅ (return on tangible capital)์ ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ผ๋ก ์ ์งํ๊ณ ์ฆ๊ฐ์์ผ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์์ผ๋ก๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ์ ๋ต์์ ์ฑ์ฅ ์ธก๋ฉด์ด ๋์ฑ ๋๋๋ฌ์ง๊ฒ ๋ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๋จผ์ ๋ชจ๋ ์์๋ฃ ์ฌ์ ๊ณผ ๊ด๋ จํด์, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์์ฐ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ๋ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ๊ตฌ์กฐ๋ก ๋ฐ์ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ธฐ์ ๋ฐ ์ฐ์ ๋์ถ(C&I)๊ณผ ์ ์ฉ ๋์ถ์ ๋ ์ง์คํ๊ณ ์๊ณ , ์๊ธ ์ธก๋ฉด์์๋ ์๋น์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ๋ ์น์คํ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ ๊ตฌ์กฐ๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์ถํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ์์ด์์์ต(NII) ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ณด๊ณ ๊ณ์๊ณ ์์๋ฃ ์์ต ์ฑ์ฅ๋ ๋ณด๊ณ ๊ณ์๋ฉฐ, ์์ผ๋ก๋ ๊ฒฐ์ ์ฌ์ ์ ๋ต๋ค๋ ๋ณด๊ธฐ ์์ํ์ค ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์๊ฐ์ด ์ง๋๋ฉด์ ์ ๊ธฐ์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ชจ๋ฉํ ์ ๋ํด ๋งค์ฐ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋๋ผ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ํ์คํ ๋งค์ฐ ์ค์ง์ ์ธ ๊ธฐํ์ ์๋นํ ์ ๊ธฐ์ ์ฑ์ฅ ์ฌ๋ ฅ์ด ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| L. Erika Penala: UBS Investment Bank, Research Division And just to clarify, Gunjan, given how you answered that question, USB's focus and obviously, like John said, you're sort of in the final phase of rebuilding capital. Your focus is inward and not outward in terms of bank acquisitions. Just want to be clear that that's the message that you're giving us. | **L. Erika Penala:** UBS์ ์ด์ ๊ณผ ๊ด๋ จํด์ ๋ช ํํ ํ์๋ฉด, ์กด์ด ๋งํ๋ฏ์ด ์๋ณธ ์ฌ๊ตฌ์ถ์ ๋ง์ง๋ง ๋จ๊ณ์ ์๋ ์ํฉ์์, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์ด์ ์ ์ํ ์ธ์ํฉ๋ณ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ์ธ๋ถ๊ฐ ์๋ ๋ด๋ถ์ ์๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ด ๋ง์ต๋๊น? ๊ทธ๋ฐ ๋ฉ์์ง๋ฅผ ์ ๋ฌํ๊ณ ๊ณ์ ๊ฒ์ธ์ง ํ์คํ ํ๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. |
| President & CEO: Our focus is very much on organic growth. | **President & CEO:** ์ ํฌ๋ ์ ๊ธฐ์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋งค์ฐ ์ง์คํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Betsy Graseck of Morgan Stanley. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋ชจ๊ฑด์คํ ๋ฆฌ์ ๋ฒ ์ธ ๊ทธ๋์น์ผ๋ก๋ถํฐ ๋ฐ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Betsy Graseck: Morgan Stanley, Research Division I just wanted to circle back to the discussion earlier on the impact financing and the implication for tax rate. Gunjan, I think you mentioned that you will be leaning into this effort that you have and that as you do lean into it, it should have some impacts on tax. Could you help us understand how much and over what kind of time frame is this? And I bring it up relative to the Slide 32 that talks about key assumptions for medium term include current tax policy, and I wasn't sure if current tax policy meant current tax rate or the expectation for tax rate to come down as you increase Impact Finance? | **Betsy Graseck:** ์์ ์ํฉํธ ํ์ด๋ธ์ฑ๊ณผ ์ธ์จ์ ๋ฏธ์น๋ ์ํฅ์ ๋ํ ๋ ผ์๋ก ๋ค์ ๋์๊ฐ๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ฑด์, ์ด ๋ ธ๋ ฅ์ ๋์ฑ ์ง์คํ์ค ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ๋ง์ํ์ จ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋ ๊ฒ ํ๋ฉด ์ธ๊ธ์ ์ด๋ ์ ๋ ์ํฅ์ ๋ฏธ์น ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ํ์ จ๋๋ฐ์. ์ผ๋ง๋, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ด๋ค ๊ธฐ๊ฐ์ ๊ฑธ์ณ ์ด๋ฐ ์ํฅ์ด ์์์ง ์ดํดํ ์ ์๋๋ก ๋์์ฃผ์ค ์ ์๋์? ์ค๊ธฐ ํต์ฌ ๊ฐ์ ์ ๋ํด ๋ค๋ฃฌ ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 32์ ๊ด๋ จํด์ ์ง๋ฌธ๋๋ฆฌ๋๋ฐ, ํ์ฌ ์ธ๊ธ ์ ์ฑ ์ด ํฌํจ๋์ด ์๋ค๊ณ ๋์ ์์๊ฑฐ๋ ์. ํ์ฌ ์ธ๊ธ ์ ์ฑ ์ด ํ์ฌ ์ธ์จ์ ์๋ฏธํ๋ ๊ฑด์ง, ์๋๋ฉด ์ํฉํธ ํ์ด๋ธ์ค๋ฅผ ๋๋ ค๊ฐ๋ฉด์ ์ธ์จ์ด ํ๋ฝํ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๋ ๊ธฐ๋๋ฅผ ์๋ฏธํ๋ ๊ฑด์ง ํ์คํ์ง ์์์ต๋๋ค. |
| John Stern: Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer Sure, Betsy. So I think -- when I think about the Impact Finance components from a -- the tax benefit that we've received is likely not going to change much from where we sit today. So there's probably a 3 or so plus or minus point benefit to us in our tax rate that has been there for some time and will continue. The growth that we're talking about here on the fee side is related to transferability and syndications and things of that variety where we have been very good -- where the tax policy changes have allowed that market to flourish with more freedom. And I think that is what we're -- that is where we have our ability to grow and where do we get to see more fee revenues that I've been talking about there in terms of our assumed growth rate. So that's really where it's at and the tax rate will continue that favorability as we mentioned, on the tax rate as well. | **John Stern:** ๋ค, ๋ฒ ์น. ์ํฉํธ ํ์ด๋ธ์ค ๊ตฌ์ฑ์์๋ค์ ์ดํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ๋ฐ๊ณ ์๋ ์ธ์ ํํ์ ํ์ฌ ์์ค์์ ํฌ๊ฒ ๋ณํ์ง ์์ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ ์ธ์จ์ ์ฝ 3ํฌ์ธํธ ์ ๋์ ํ๋ฌ์ค๋ง์ด๋์ค ํํ์ด ์๋๋ฐ, ์ด๋ ์๋น ๊ธฐ๊ฐ ์ง์๋์ด ์๊ณ ์์ผ๋ก๋ ๊ณ์๋ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ์ฌ๊ธฐ์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์๋ ์์๋ฃ ์ธก๋ฉด์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ์๋๊ฐ๋ฅ์ฑ(transferability)๊ณผ ์ ๋์ผ์ด์ ๋ฑ๊ณผ ๊ด๋ จ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ๋งค์ฐ ์ํ๊ณ ์๋ ๋ถ์ผ์ด๊ธฐ๋ ํ๊ณ ์. ์ธ์ ์ ์ฑ ๋ณํ๋ก ์ธํด ์ด ์์ฅ์ด ๋ ์์ ๋กญ๊ฒ ๋ฒ์ํ ์ ์๊ฒ ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ก ์ด ๋ถ๋ถ์ด ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ฑ์ฅํ ์ ์๋ ์์ญ์ด๊ณ , ์ ๊ฐ ์์ ์ฑ์ฅ๋ฅ ๊ณผ ๊ด๋ จํด์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ์์๋ฃ ์์ต์ ๋ ๋ง์ด ๋ณผ ์ ์๋ ๊ณณ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ๋ฐ๋ก ๊ทธ๋ฐ ์ํฉ์ด๊ณ , ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฐ์ด ์ธ์จ์์๋ ์ด๋ฌํ ์ ๋ฆฌํ ์กฐ๊ฑด์ด ๊ณ์๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Betsy Graseck: Morgan Stanley, Research Division Okay. So right now, it's about 3% benefit to tax rate. And even with increasing this business, you expect it to hover in that range? | **Betsy Graseck:** ํ์ฌ ์ธ์จ์ ์ฝ 3%์ ํํ์ ์ฃผ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด ์ฌ์ ์ ํ์ฅํ๋๋ผ๋ ๊ทธ ๋ฒ์ ๋ด์์ ์ ์ง๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ์๋์? |
| John Stern: Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer I would -- that's exactly right. | **John Stern:** ๋ง์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํํ ๊ทธ๋ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Chris McGratty of KBW. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ KBW์ ํฌ๋ฆฌ์ค ๋งฅ๊ทธ๋ํฐ๋๊ป์ ์ฃผ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Christopher McGratty: Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division Looking at Slide 19, I guess, 18, 19 together, the building upon medium-term targets comment, several larger banks have either put out revised targets or hinted at targets this quarter. I guess my question is, given that you're more or less there, is that something that we might think is on the horizon over the near to intermediate term? | **Christopher McGratty:** ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 18, 19๋ฅผ ํจ๊ป ๋ณด๋ฉด์ ์ค๊ธฐ ๋ชฉํ ๊ตฌ์ถ์ ๋ํ ์ธ๊ธ์ ๋ณด๋๋ฐ์, ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ฌ๋ฌ ๋ํ ์ํ๋ค์ด ์์ ๋ ๋ชฉํ๋ฅผ ๋ฐํํ๊ฑฐ๋ ๋ชฉํ์ ๋ํด ์์๋ฅผ ํ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทํ๋ค์ด ๊ฑฐ์ ๊ทธ ์์ค์ ๋๋ฌํ๋ค๋ ์ ์ ๊ณ ๋ คํ ๋, ์ด๊ฒ์ด ๋จ๊ธฐ์์ ์ค๊ธฐ์ ๊ฑธ์ณ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์๊ฐํด๋ณผ ์ ์๋ ๊ฒ์ธ์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. |
| John Stern: Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer Thanks, Chris. I appreciate the question. Obviously, we're pleased to be where we're operating here in terms of where we sit and in terms of our medium-term targets. There's nothing formal, but you'll note in my prepared comments about how -- while we're pleased, this isn't the end. We anticipate to improve, and that's really what our focus is. So there's no change to any of the medium-term targets. We think those are appropriate and right, but we do expect improvement of ourselves over time. | **John Stern:** ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค, ํฌ๋ฆฌ์ค. ์ง๋ฌธํด ์ฃผ์
์ ๊ณ ๋ง์ต๋๋ค. ๋ถ๋ช
ํ ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ํ์ฌ ์ด์ํ๊ณ ์๋ ์์น์ ์ค๊ธฐ ๋ชฉํ ๋๋น ํ์ฌ ์ํฉ์ ๋ํด์๋ ๋ง์กฑํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ณต์์ ์ธ ๊ฒ์ ์๋์ง๋ง, ์ ๊ฐ ์ค๋น๋ ๋ฐ์ธ์์ ์ธ๊ธํ๋ฏ์ด ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ๋ง์กฑํ๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ํด์ ์ด๊ฒ์ด ๋์ด ์๋๋ผ๋ ์ ์ ์ฃผ๋ชฉํด ์ฃผ์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ๊ฐ์ ์ ๊ธฐ๋ํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๊ฒ์ด ๋ฐ๋ก ์ ํฌ์ ์ด์ ์
๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ค๊ธฐ ๋ชฉํ์๋ ์ด๋ค ๋ณํ๋ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ๊ทธ ๋ชฉํ๋ค์ด ์ ์ ํ๊ณ ์ฌ๋ฐ๋ฅด๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํ์ง๋ง, ์๊ฐ์ด ์ง๋จ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ์ค์ค๋ก ๊ฐ์ ํด ๋๊ฐ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๊ธฐ๋ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Christopher McGratty: Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division Okay. And then, John, if I could just push out, what would -- I guess, what would it take for you to revisit them? Is it just staying here for a bit of time and the operating environment is staying good? Or what would specifically need to change? | **Christopher McGratty:** ๋ค, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์กด, ์กฐ๊ธ ๋ ๋์๊ฐ์ ์ง๋ฌธ๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๊ฒ๋ค์ ์ฌ๊ฒํ ํ๊ฒ ๋๋ ์กฐ๊ฑด์ ๋ฌด์์ผ๊น์? ๋จ์ํ ํ์ฌ ์ํฉ์ด ์ผ์ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ ์ง์๋๊ณ ์ด์ ํ๊ฒฝ์ด ์ข์ ์ํ๋ก ์ ์ง๋๋ ๊ฒ์ธ์ง, ์๋๋ฉด ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ผ๋ก ์ด๋ค ๋ณํ๊ฐ ํ์ํ ๊ฑด์ง์? |
| John Stern: Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer Yes. I think it would be those 2 things that you just mentioned. I mean, is that the operating environment improves, our execution exceeds even our own expectations, then those are going to be triggers that we would look to. | **John Stern:** ๋ค, ๋ง์ํ์ ๊ทธ ๋ ๊ฐ์ง๊ฐ ๋ง๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด์ ํ๊ฒฝ์ด ๊ฐ์ ๋๊ฑฐ๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์คํ๋ ฅ์ด ์์ฒด ๊ธฐ๋์น๋ฅผ ๋ฐ์ด๋๋๋ค๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๋ฐ ๊ฒ๋ค์ด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ ํธ๋ฆฌ๊ฑฐ๊ฐ ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| President & CEO: I would just add, we need to just consistently stay in the range and then start hitting the upper end of each range, and then we'll think about changing the ranges. | **President & CEO:** ์ ํฌ๋ ์ผ๊ด๋๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค ๋ฒ์ ๋ด์์ ์ ์งํ๊ณ , ๊ฐ ๋ฒ์์ ์๋จ์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ๊ธฐ ์์ํด์ผ ํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฐ ๋ค์์ ๋ฒ์ ์กฐ์ ์ ๊ณ ๋ คํ๊ฒ ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Matt O'Connor of Deutsche Bank. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋์ด์น๋ฑ ํฌ์ ๋งคํธ ์ค์ฝ๋๋์ผ๋ก๋ถํฐ ๋ฐ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Matthew O'Connor: Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division Just a quick clarification. You talked about assuming slightly higher rates in the forward curve in 2026. If the forward curve plays out versus your rate assumptions, would that be directionally positive or negative for your net interest margin? | **Matthew O'Connor:** 2026๋ ์ ๋ ๊ณก์ ์์ ์ฝ๊ฐ ๋ ๋์ ๊ธ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์ ํ๋ค๊ณ ๋ง์ํ์ จ๋๋ฐ์. ๋ง์ฝ ์ ๋ ๊ณก์ ์ด ๊ทํ์ ๊ธ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ์ ๋๋น ์คํ๋๋ค๋ฉด, ์์ด์๋ง์ง์ ๋ฐฉํฅ์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ธ์ ์ ์ผ๊น์ ๋ถ์ ์ ์ผ๊น์? |
| John Stern: Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer Yes. I think we -- as I mentioned, we have 4 cuts in our forecast. I think the market is a little bit wider than that. So if the forwards actually transpire, then that would be a net benefit. If -- I think our longer-term rates are probably a little bit more higher than where the forwards are at this point. And so we would need to see a little bit more improvement there to get additional benefit on the fixed asset repricing. So it's a little bit of a mix. On balance, it's about equal, I would say. | **John Stern:** ๋ค, ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฐ์ด ์ ํฌ ์ ๋ง์๋ 4๋ฒ์ ๊ธ๋ฆฌ ์ธํ๊ฐ ๋ฐ์๋์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ์์ฅ์ ์ด๋ณด๋ค ์กฐ๊ธ ๋ ๋์ ํญ์ ์ธํ๋ฅผ ์์ํ๊ณ ์๋ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ ๋ฌผ ์์ฅ์ ์ ๋ง์ด ์ค์ ๋ก ์คํ๋๋ค๋ฉด ์ํธ์ต์ด ๋ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ๋ค๋ง ์ ํฌ์ ์ฅ๊ธฐ ๊ธ๋ฆฌ ์ ๋ง์ ํ์ฌ ์ ๋ฌผ ์์ฅ๋ณด๋ค ๋ค์ ๋์ ์์ค์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ๊ณ ์ ์์ฐ ์ฌ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ์ฑ ์ ์์ ์ถ๊ฐ์ ์ธ ํํ์ ์ป์ผ๋ ค๋ฉด ์ข ๋ ๊ฐ์ ์ด ํ์ํ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ํผ์ฌ๋ ์ํฉ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ํ ์ ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ ์ฒด์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด๋ฉด ๊ท ํ์ ์ด๋ฃจ๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ง์๋๋ฆด ์ ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Matthew O'Connor: Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division Okay. So positive on the short end, get back on the long end and when you put all together, about the same. | **Matthew O'Connor:** ๋จ๊ธฐ์์๋ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ด๊ณ , ์ฅ๊ธฐ์์๋ ํ๋ณต์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ ์ฒด์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด๋ฉด ๋น์ทํ ์์ค์ ๋๋ค. |
| John Stern: Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer | **John Stern:** I notice you've only provided the title "Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer" but no actual spoken content to translate. Could you please provide the management response or spoken content that you'd like me to translate into Korean? I'm ready to translate the actual dialogue or response from the earnings call Q&A session. |
| Operator: [Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Vivek Juneja of JPMorgan. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ JPMorgan์ Vivek Juneja๋๊ป์ ์ฃผ์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Vivek Juneja: JPMorgan Chase & Co, Research Division Given that a lot of the bigger picture questions have been asked in this -- in the realm of some cleanup, John, I have a question for you. What is included in your other earning assets where the yield went up 300 basis points linked quarter with an interest income increase of $100 million, which is over 60% of the increase in your NII linked quarter, and the yield is almost 8%. It's higher than any other asset on the balance sheet. What drove that? And how sustainable is that, John? | **Vivek Juneja:** ํฐ ๊ทธ๋ฆผ์ ์ง๋ฌธ๋ค์ด ์ด๋ฏธ ๋ง์ด ๋์์ผ๋, ์ ๋ฆฌ ์ฐจ์์์ ์กด์๊ฒ ์ง๋ฌธ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ธฐํ ์์ต์์ฐ์ ํฌํจ๋ ํญ๋ชฉ๋ค์ด ๋ฌด์์ธ์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น ์์ต๋ฅ ์ด 300๋ฒ ์ด์์คํฌ์ธํธ ์์นํ๊ณ , ์ด์์์ต์ด 1์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ์ฆ๊ฐํ๋๋ฐ, ์ด๋ ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น ์์ด์์์ต(NII) ์ฆ๊ฐ๋ถ์ 60% ์ด์์ ์ฐจ์งํฉ๋๋ค. ์์ต๋ฅ ์ด ๊ฑฐ์ 8%๋ก ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ์ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์ด๋ค ์์ฐ๋ณด๋ค๋ ๋์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฌด์์ด ์ด๋ฐ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ์ด๋์๋์? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์กด, ์ด๊ฒ์ด ์ผ๋ง๋ ์ง์๊ฐ๋ฅํ๊ฐ์? |
| John Stern: Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer Sure. Thank you. So we have to look at that line item along with the short-term liability line item. And so those 2 things have a little bit more -- have a gross up of yield. And so if I step back and what's going on, we've increased our capacity and ability in the capital market space on tri-party repo and our volumes have picked up quite a bit. We do have the ability to net those balances. So the balance sheet is smaller, to your point, about $1 billion or so on that particular line item. And -- but we keep the grossed up amount on the yield. And so that differential is going to show up in those 2 line items. If you net those things out, there's really no meaningful change to NII or net interest margin. You just have to look at the 2 of those items together. You'll note that short-term borrowings dropped about $7 billion. That wasn't really repo related. That's about -- again, about that $1 billion. Most of it was just short-term borrowings that we had used the prior quarter given the asset sales that we had, and we had obviously strong deposit growth. So we could just reduce that balance there. | **John Stern:** ํด๋น ํญ๋ชฉ์ ๋จ๊ธฐ๋ถ์ฑ ํญ๋ชฉ๊ณผ ํจ๊ป ์ดํด๋ด์ผ ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด ๋ ํญ๋ชฉ์ ์์ต๋ฅ ์์ ์ฝ๊ฐ์ ์ด์ก ๊ธฐ์ค ์ฆ๊ฐ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ์ฒด์ ์ผ๋ก ์ดํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ผ์๊ฐ ํ๋งค์กฐ๊ฑด๋ถ์ฑ๊ถ(tri-party repo) ๋ถ์ผ์์ ์๋ณธ์์ฅ ์ญ๋๊ณผ ๋ฅ๋ ฅ์ ํ๋ํ๊ณ , ๊ฑฐ๋๋๋ ์๋นํ ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ์์ก๋ค์ ์๊ณํ ์ ์๋ ๋ฅ๋ ฅ์ ๋ณด์ ํ๊ณ ์์ด์, ๋ง์ํ์ ๋๋ก ํด๋น ํญ๋ชฉ์์ ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ ๊ท๋ชจ๊ฐ ์ฝ 10์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ์ ๋ ์ถ์๋์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์์ต๋ฅ ์์๋ ์ด์ก ๊ธฐ์ค ๊ธ์ก์ ์ ์งํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ด๋ฌํ ์ฐจ์ด๊ฐ ๋ ํญ๋ชฉ์์ ๋ํ๋๊ฒ ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฅผ ์๊ณํด์ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์์ด์์์ต(NII)์ด๋ ์์ด์๋ง์ง์๋ ์ค์ง์ ์ผ๋ก ์๋ฏธ ์๋ ๋ณํ๊ฐ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด ๋ ํญ๋ชฉ์ ํจ๊ป ๋ณด์๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ๋จ๊ธฐ์ฐจ์ ๊ธ์ด ์ฝ 70์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ๊ฐ์ํ ๊ฒ์ ๋ณด์ค ์ ์๋๋ฐ, ์ด๋ ์ค์ ๋ก ํ๋งค์กฐ๊ฑด๋ถ์ฑ๊ถ(repo)๊ณผ๋ ๊ด๋ จ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ ๋ถ๋ถ์ ์ฝ 10์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ์ ๋์ ๋๋ค. ๋๋ถ๋ถ์ ์ด์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์์ฐ ๋งค๊ฐ์ด ์์๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ์ฌ์ฉํ๋ ๋จ๊ธฐ์ฐจ์ ๊ธ์ด์๊ณ , ์๊ธ ์ฆ๊ฐ์ธ๋ ํ์คํ ๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ํด๋น ์์ก์ ๋จ์ํ ์ค์ผ ์ ์์๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Vivek Juneja: JPMorgan Chase & Co, Research Division Okay. And another one for either of you. Your C&I NPLs were up 30% linked quarter. Any color on what you're seeing, which industry sectors? What's the loss content like? Any color on that? | **Vivek Juneja:** ๊ธฐ์ ๋์ถ(C&I) ๋ถ์ค์ฑ๊ถ์ด ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น 30% ์ฆ๊ฐํ๋๋ฐ์. ์ด๋ค ์ํฉ์ธ์ง, ์ด๋ค ์ ์ข ์์ ๋ํ๋๊ณ ์๋์ง, ์์ค ๊ท๋ชจ๋ ์ด๋ ์ ๋์ธ์ง ๋ฑ์ ๋ํด ์ค๋ช ํด ์ฃผ์ค ์ ์๋์? |
| John Stern: Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer Sure. So a couple of things. It's obviously -- there are some things that can be lumpy from time to time. We do have some exposure to First Brands. It's not material to our financials as it's already contemplated in the reserve, but that partially explains the rise in commercial NPAs that you referenced. | **John Stern:** ๋ช ๊ฐ์ง ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ถ๋ช ํ ๋๋๋ก ์ผ์์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ณ๋์ด ์์ ์ ์๋ ์์๋ค์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. First Brands์ ๋ํ ์ต์คํฌ์ ๊ฐ ์ผ๋ถ ์๋๋ฐ, ์ด๋ฏธ ์ถฉ๋น๊ธ์ ๋ฐ์๋์ด ์์ด์ ๋น์ฌ ์ฌ๋ฌด์ ํ์ ์ค๋ํ ์ํฅ์ ๋ฏธ์น์ง๋ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ด๊ฒ์ด ๋ง์ํ์ ์์ ์ฉ ๋ถ์ค์ฑ๊ถ(NPAs) ์ฆ๊ฐ๋ฅผ ๋ถ๋ถ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ค๋ช ํด ๋๋ฆด ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Vivek Juneja: JPMorgan Chase & Co, Research Division And have you taken any kind of a loss or provision, therefore, for First Brands? And in what form was that exposure to First Brands, John? | **Vivek Juneja:** JPMorgan Chase & Co, ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ์ง๋ฌธ๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. First Brands์ ๊ด๋ จํด์ ์ด๋ค ํํ์ ์์ค์ด๋ ์ถฉ๋น๊ธ์ ์ค์ ํ์ จ๋์? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ John, First Brands์ ๋ํ ์ต์คํฌ์ ๋ ์ด๋ค ํํ์๋์ง ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๊น? |
| John Stern: Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer It's just our secured borrowings that we have with them, and it's already -- any of the losses contemplated in our reserve already within the provision. | **John Stern:** ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ๊ทธ๋ค๊ณผ ๋งบ๊ณ ์๋ ๋ด๋ณด๋ถ ์ฐจ์ ๊ธ์ ๊ดํ ๊ฒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ฏธ ์ ํฌ ์ถฉ๋น๊ธ ๋ด์์ ์์๋๋ ์์ค๋ค์ด ๋ชจ๋ ๋ฐ์๋์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Vivek Juneja: JPMorgan Chase & Co, Research Division And are there other similar structures like this that we should be worrying about, given I would presume that the First Brands' stuff showed up under your NDFI? | **Vivek Juneja:** ์ด์ ์ ์ฌํ ๊ตฌ์กฐ๋ก ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ฐ๋ คํด์ผ ํ ๋ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒ๋ค์ด ์์๊น์? First Brands ๊ด๋ จ ์ฌ์๋ค์ด ๊ทํ์ NDFI์ ๋ํ๋ฌ์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์ถ์ ๋๋๋ฐ ๋ง์ ๋๋ค. |
| John Stern: Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer No. This is on the bank side of the equation. And no -- the answer is no. There's -- we are able to see a lot of strength in the commercial side of the equation as well as on the retail side, as we talked about with cards. So we continue to look to see if there is -- there are things, and we just are not seeing it. | **John Stern:** ์๋์. ์ด๊ฒ์ ์ํ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ๊ดํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์๋์, ๋ต์ ์๋๋ผ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ์์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ๋ง์ ๊ฐ์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์นด๋ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๊ฒ์ฒ๋ผ ๋ฆฌํ ์ผ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์๋ ๋ง์ฐฌ๊ฐ์ง์ ๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ๊ณ์ํด์ ์ด๋ค ์งํ๋ค์ด ์๋์ง ์ดํด๋ณด๊ณ ์์ง๋ง, ํ์ฌ๋ก์๋ ๊ทธ๋ฐ ๊ฒ๋ค์ ์ ํ ๋ณด์ง ๋ชปํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Vivek Juneja: JPMorgan Chase & Co, Research Division Gunjan, for you, what are you thinking of doing differently because First Brands is obviously a big surprise for the market. | **Vivek Juneja:** JPMorgan Chase & Co ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ๊ถ๊ธํ ์ ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. First Brands๊ฐ ์์ฅ์ ์๋นํ ์ํ๋ผ์ด์ฆ๋ฅผ ์๊ฒจ์ค ์ํฉ์์, ํฅํ ์ด๋ค ์ฐจ๋ณํ๋ ์ ๋ต์ ๊ตฌ์ํ๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ง์? |
| President & CEO: I don't think we'll do anything differently. We have very, very strong underwriting capabilities. And when you have a large book, you have 1 or 2 issues. You have to be very appropriately reserved for it, which we are. You have to be diligent to learn lessons from it, and we have a lot of confidence in the quality of the credit book and our underwriting process. So I'm not sure there's anything to be done differently, but be very -- but to remain very vigilant and rely on your strong traditional underwriting strength. | **President & CEO:** ์ ํฌ๋ ๋ค๋ฅด๊ฒ ํ ๊ฒ์ด ์๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์ธ๋๋ผ์ดํ
(underwriting) ์ญ๋์ ๋ณด์ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋๊ท๋ชจ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค๋ฅผ ์ด์ํ ๋๋ ํ๋ ๊ฑด์ ๋ฌธ์ ๊ฐ ๋ฐ์ํ ์ ์๋๋ฐ, ์ด์ ๋ํด ์ ์ ํ ์ถฉ๋น๊ธ์ ์ค์ ํด์ผ ํ๋ฉฐ ์ ํฌ๋ ๊ทธ๋ ๊ฒ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฐ ์ฌ์๋ค๋ก๋ถํฐ ๊ตํ์ ์ป๊ธฐ ์ํด ๋ถ์ง๋ฐํ ๋
ธ๋ ฅํด์ผ ํ๊ณ , ์ ํฌ๋ ์ ์ฉ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค์ ํ์ง๊ณผ ์ธ๋๋ผ์ดํ
ํ๋ก์ธ์ค์ ๋ํด ํฐ ํ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ง๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ๋ฌ๋ฆฌ ํด์ผ ํ ๊ฒ์ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ณด์ง๋ง, ๋งค์ฐ ๊ฒฝ๊ณ์ฌ์ ๋ฆ์ถ์ง ์๊ณ ์ ํฌ์ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์ ํต์ ์ธ๋๋ผ์ดํ ์ญ๋์ ์์กดํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์ค์ํฉ๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Scott Siefers of Piper Sandler. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ํ์ดํผ ์๋ค๋ฌ์ ์ค์ฝง ์ํผ์ค๋์ผ๋ก๋ถํฐ ๋ฐ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Robert Siefers: Piper Sandler & Co., Research Division I think most have been asked and answered. But maybe, John, I know we've had a little noise in the loan growth numbers this year with some of the actions you took earlier in the year. Are we kind of at a point where we could expect to start to see more visible momentum? I know you saw some modest end-of-period growth in the aggregate, but just curious on your thoughts from here and what you're seeing in terms of overall demand. | **Robert Siefers:** ๋๋ถ๋ถ์ ์ง๋ฌธ๋ค์ ์ด๋ฏธ ๋ต๋ณ์ด ๋์๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง John, ์ฌํด ์ด ์ทจํ์ ์กฐ์น๋ค๋ก ์ธํด ๋์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ ์์น์ ์ฝ๊ฐ์ ๋ ธ์ด์ฆ๊ฐ ์์๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์๊ณ ์๋๋ฐ์. ์ด์ ์ข ๋ ๊ฐ์์ ์ธ ๋ชจ๋ฉํ ์ ๋ณด๊ธฐ ์์ํ ์ ์๋ ์์ ์ ์ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ณด์๋์ง์? ์ ์ฒด์ ์ผ๋ก๋ ๊ธฐ๋ง ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก ์๋งํ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ณด์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์๊ณ ์์ง๋ง, ์์ผ๋ก์ ์ ๋ง๊ณผ ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ธ ์์ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ์ด๋ค ๊ฒ๋ค์ ๋ณด๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. |
| John Stern: Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer Scott, just to clarify, are you talking about end of period or were you talking about deposits there or loans or you're -- just in general? | **John Stern:** ๋ถํ์ฅ ๊ฒธ ์ต๊ณ ์ฌ๋ฌด์ฑ ์์๋, ๋ช ํํ ํ์๋ฉด ๊ธฐ๋ง ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก ๋ง์ํ์๋ ๊ฑด์ง, ์๋๋ฉด ์๊ธ์ด๋ ๋์ถ์ ๋ํด ๋ง์ํ์๋ ๊ฑด์ง, ์๋๋ฉด ์ผ๋ฐ์ ์ธ ๋ด์ฉ์ธ์ง์? |
| Robert Siefers: Piper Sandler & Co., Research Division No, no. Loans, loans. | **Robert Siefers:** ์๋์, ์๋์. ๋์ถ, ๋์ถ ๋ง์ ๋๋ค. |
| John Stern: Vice Chair & Chief Financial Officer I see. Got it. Okay. Yes. So I think we had an opportunity in the second quarter as we had already talked about. And so I think that was something that we found attractive and acted on. It's obviously given us a benefit here in the third quarter. I don't see anything in particular on the horizon for that. But obviously, you're always looking at opportunities as they come about. And so it's just something that we keep a pulse on. But we're focused, obviously, on the organic side, growing accounts, making sure leaning into growth with our clients and that sort of thing. | **John Stern:** ๋ค, ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. 2๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๊ธฐํ๊ฐ ์์๋ค๊ณ ์ด๋ฏธ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด๊ณ ์คํ์ ์ฎ๊ธด ๊ฒ์ด์์ฃ . ๋ถ๋ช
ํ 3๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ด์ต์ ๊ฐ์ ธ๋ค์ฃผ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ๋ก์๋ ํน๋ณํ ๋์ ๋๋ ๊ธฐํ๋ ๋ณด์ด์ง ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ๋น์ฐํ ๊ธฐํ๊ฐ ์๊ธฐ๋ฉด ํญ์ ์ดํด๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ๊ณ์ ๊ด์ฌ์ ๊ฐ๊ณ ์ง์ผ๋ณด๊ณ ์๋ ์ํฉ์
๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ ํฌ๋ ๋ถ๋ช ํ ์ ๊ธฐ์ ์ฑ์ฅ(organic growth)์ ์ง์คํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ณ์ ์ ๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค๊ณผ์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ์ ๊ทน์ ์ผ๋ก ํฌ์ํ๋ ๊ทธ๋ฐ ๊ฒ๋ค ๋ง์ด์ฃ . |
| Operator: We have a follow-up question from the line of Ebrahim Poonawala of Bank of America. My apologies, there are no further questions at this time. Mr. Andersen, I turn the call back over to you. | **Operator:** ๋ฑ ํฌ ์ค๋ธ ์๋ฉ๋ฆฌ์นด์ ์๋ธ๋ผํ ํธ๋์๋ผ๋ก๋ถํฐ ์ถ๊ฐ ์ง๋ฌธ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฃ์กํฉ๋๋ค, ํ์ฌ ๋ ์ด์์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์๋ฐ๋ฅด์ผ๋, ๋ค์ ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค. |
| George Andersen: Senior VP & Director of Investor Relations Thank you, [ John-Louis ], and thank you to everyone who joined our call this morning. Please contact the Investor Relations department if you have any follow-up questions. You may now disconnect the call. | **George Andersen:** ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์ค๋ ์์นจ ์ ํฌ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค ์ฝ์ ์ฐธ์ฌํด ์ฃผ์ ๋ชจ๋ ๋ถ๋ค๊ป ๊ฐ์ฌ๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. ์ถ๊ฐ ์ง๋ฌธ์ด ์์ผ์๋ฉด ํฌ์์ ๊ด๊ณ ๋ถ์๋ก ์ฐ๋ฝํด ์ฃผ์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค. ์ด์ ํตํ๋ฅผ ์ข ๋ฃํ์ ๋ ๋ฉ๋๋ค. |
| Operator: This concludes today's call. You may now disconnect. | **Operator:** ์ค๋ ํตํ๋ฅผ ๋ง์น๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด์ ์ฐ๊ฒฐ์ ๋์ผ์ ๋ ๋ฉ๋๋ค. |
Here's a summary of the key points from the earnings call transcript in Korean:
โข ์ค์ ๋ฐ ์ ๋ง:
- 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ์์ด์ต์ ์์ ์ ์ผ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์ ๋ง๋๋ฉฐ, ์์น ๊ฐ๋ฅ์ฑ์ด ์์
- 2027๋
๊น์ง ์์ด์๋ง์ง(NIM) 3% ๋ฌ์ฑ ๋ชฉํ ์ ์ง
- ์์๋ฃ ์์ต์ ์ค๊ฐ ํ ์๋ฆฟ์ ์ฑ์ฅ๋ฅ ์์
โข ์ฃผ์ ์ฌ์
๋ํฅ:
- ์ง๊ธ๊ฒฐ์ ์ฌ์
์ด ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ฒฌ์กฐํ ์ฑ์ฅ์ธ ๋ณด์
- ์ ์ฉ์นด๋ ์ฐ์ฒด์จ์ด 3.73%๋ก ๊ฐ์ ๋์์ผ๋ฉฐ 2025๋
์๋ ์ถ๊ฐ ๊ฐ์ ์ ๋ง
- ์ง์๊ฐ๋ฅ๊ธ์ต ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ด 17% ์ฑ์ฅํ๋ฉฐ ๋์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ธ ์ง์
โข ์๋ณธ ๊ด๋ฆฌ:
- CET1 ๋น์จ์ด 10.9%๋ก ์์น
- 2026๋
๊น์ง ์์ต์ 75% ์์ค์ ์ฃผ์ฃผํ์ ๋ชฉํ
โข ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ ์์ธ:
- ๊ธ๋ฆฌ ํ๊ฒฝ ๋ณํ์ ๋ฐ๋ฅธ ์ํฅ
- ์ ์ฉ ํ์ง์ ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ํธํ ์ํ ์ ์ง
์ด ๋ด์ฉ์ ์ ๋ฌธ ํฌ์์๋ค์ ์ํด ๊ฐ๊ด์ ์ด๊ณ ๊ฐ๊ฒฐํ๊ฒ ์ ๋ฆฌํ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค.