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Call Start: 9:00 January 1, 0000 10:01 AM ET ASML Holding N.V. (NASDAQ:ASML) Q4 2024 Earnings Conference Call January 29, 2025, 09:00 AM ET Company Participants Jim Kavanagh - Vice President, Investor Relations Christophe Fouquet - President and Chief Executive Officer Roger Dassen - Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Conference Call Participants Joe Quatrochi - Wells Fargo Tammy Qiu - Berenberg Sara Russo - Bernstein Francois-Xavier Bouvignies - UBS Krish Sankar - TDCowen Chris Caso - Wolfe Research Didier Scemama - Bank of America C.J. | ์ ํํ์ ์์: 1์ 1์ผ 0000๋
์ค์ 9:00 ET ASML Holding N.V. (NASDAQ:ASML) 2024๋ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค์ ๋ฐํ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค์ฝ 2025๋ 1์ 29์ผ, ์ค์ 09:00 ET ํ์ฌ ์ฐธ๊ฐ์ Jim Kavanagh - ํฌ์์ ๊ด๊ณ ๋ถ์ฌ์ฅ Christophe Fouquet - ์ฌ์ฅ ๊ฒธ ์ต๊ณ ๊ฒฝ์์ Roger Dassen - ๋ถ์ฌ์ฅ ๊ฒธ ์ต๊ณ ์ฌ๋ฌด์ฑ ์์ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค์ฝ ์ฐธ๊ฐ์ Joe Quatrochi - Wells Fargo Tammy Qiu - Berenberg Sara Russo - Bernstein Francois-Xavier Bouvignies - UBS Krish Sankar - TDCowen Chris Caso - Wolfe Research Didier Scemama - Bank of America C.J. [์ฐธ๊ณ : ์ด๋ ์ค์ ๋ฐํ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค์ฝ์ ๋์ ๋ถ ์ฐธ๊ฐ์ ๋ช ๋จ์ ๋ฒ์ญํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ชจ๋ ๊ณ ์ ๋ช ์ฌ์ ํ์ฌ๋ช ์ ์๋ฌธ ๊ทธ๋๋ก ์ ์งํ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ง์์ ๊ฐ์ ์ผ๋ฐ ๋ช ์นญ์ ํ๊ตญ์ด๋ก ์์ฐ์ค๋ฝ๊ฒ ๋ฒ์ญํ์์ต๋๋ค.] |
Muse - Cantor Fitzgerald Andrew Gardiner - Citi Mehdi Hosseini - SIG Stephane Houri - ODDO BHF Michael Roeg - DeGroof Petercam Sandeep Deshpande - JPMorgan Operator Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the ASML 2024 Fourth Quarter and Full Year Financial Results Conference Call on January 29, 2025. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's introduction, there'll be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that todayโs conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference call over to Mr. Jim Kavanagh. Please go ahead. Jim Kavanagh Thank you, operator. Welcome, everyone. | ๋ค์ ์ ๋๋ฆฌ์คํธ๋ค์ด ์ฐธ์ํ์ต๋๋ค: Muse - Cantor Fitzgerald Andrew Gardiner - Citi Mehdi Hosseini - SIG Stephane Houri - ODDO BHF Michael Roeg - DeGroof Petercam Sandeep Deshpande - JPMorgan ์งํ์ ์๋ ํ์ญ๋๊น. ๊ธฐ๋ค๋ ค ์ฃผ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. 2025๋ 1์ 29์ผ ASML 2024๋ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ ์ฐ๊ฐ ์ค์ ๋ฐํ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค ์ฝ์ ์ค์ ๊ฒ์ ํ์ํฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ๋ชจ๋ ์ฐธ๊ฐ์๋ค์ ์ฒญ์ทจ ์ ์ฉ ๋ชจ๋๋ก ์ ์ํด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐํ์์ ์๊ฐ๊ฐ ๋๋ ํ์๋ ์ง์์๋ต ์๊ฐ์ด ์์ ์์ ์ ๋๋ค. [์งํ์ ์๋ด์ฌํญ] ์ค๋ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค๋ ๋ น์๋๊ณ ์์์ ์๋ ค๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. ์ด์ Jim Kavanagh ๋๊ป ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค ์ฝ์ ๋๊ธฐ๋๋ก ํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. Jim Kavanagh๋, ์งํํด ์ฃผ์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค. Jim Kavanagh ์งํ์๋ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ, ํ์ํฉ๋๋ค. |
This is Jim Kavanagh, Vice President of Investor Relations at ASML. Joining me today on the call are ASML's CEO, Christophe Fouquet; and our CFO, Roger Dassen. The subject of today's call is ASML's fourth quarter and full year results 2024. The length of this call will be 60 minutes and questions will take in the order that they are received. This call is also being broadcast live over the Internet on www.asml.com. A transcript of management's opening remarks and a replay of the call will be available on our website shortly following the conclusion of this call. | ์๋
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๋๋ค. ์ค๋ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค์ฝ์๋ ASML์ CEO์ธ ํฌ๋ฆฌ์คํ ํ ํธ์ผ์ CFO์ธ ๋ก์ ๋ค์ผ์ด ํจ๊ปํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ค๋ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค์ฝ์ ์ฃผ์ ๋ ASML์ 2024๋
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๋๋ค. ํตํ ์๊ฐ์ 60๋ถ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ง๋ฌธ์ ์ ์๋ ์์๋๋ก ๋ฐ๋๋ก ํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ณธ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค์ฝ์ ASML ์น์ฌ์ดํธ(www.asml.com)๋ฅผ ํตํด ์ค์๊ฐ์ผ๋ก ์ค๊ณ๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ฒฝ์์ง์ ๋ชจ๋ ๋ฐ์ธ ๋ด์ฉ๊ณผ ํตํ ๋
น์๋ณธ์ ๋ณธ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค์ฝ ์ข
๋ฃ ์งํ ๋น์ฌ ์น์ฌ์ดํธ์์ ํ์ธํ์ค ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. Note: I maintained formal business Korean (ํฉ์ผ์ฒด) throughout the translation as this is appropriate for a corporate earnings call. Financial terms like "์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค์ฝ" and "์ค์ " are commonly used Korean business terminology. The translation preserves the professional and informative tone of the original while being natural in Korean. |
Before we begin, I'd like to caution listeners that comments made by management during this conference call will include forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Federal Securities Laws. These forward-looking statements involve material risks and uncertainties. For a discussion of risk factors, I encourage you to review the Safe Harbor statement contained in today's press release and presentation found on our website at www.asml.com and in ASML's annual report on Form 20-F and other documents as filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Christophe Fouquet for a brief introduction. Christophe Fouquet Thank you, Jim. | ์์ํ๊ธฐ์ ์์, ๋ณธ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค ์ฝ์์ ๊ฒฝ์์ง์ด ํ๋ ๋ฐ์ธ์๋ ์ฐ๋ฐฉ ์ฆ๊ถ๋ฒ์ด ๊ท์ ํ๋ ๋ฏธ๋์์ธก์ง์ ์ด ํฌํจ๋์ด ์์์ ์ฒญ์ทจ์ ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ๊ป ์ฃผ์๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ๋ฏธ๋์์ธก์ง์ ์๋ ์ค๋ํ ์ํ๊ณผ ๋ถํ์ค์ฑ์ด ์๋ฐ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ๊ด๋ จ ์ํ ์์ธ์ ๋ํด์๋ ๋น์ฌ ์น์ฌ์ดํธ www.asml.com์ ๊ฒ์๋ ์ค๋์ ๋ณด๋์๋ฃ์ ํ๋ ์ ํ
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์กฐํญ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ASML์ 20-F ์ฐ์ฐจ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ ์ฆ๊ถ๊ฑฐ๋์์ํ์ ์ ์ถ๋ ๊ธฐํ ๋ฌธ์๋ค์ ๊ฒํ ํ์๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ถ์ฅ๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. ์ด์ ๊ฐ๋จํ ์๊ฐ๋ฅผ ์ํด ํฌ๋ฆฌ์คํ ํ ํธ์ผ์๊ฒ ์งํ์ ๋๊ธฐ๋๋ก ํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ํฌ๋ฆฌ์คํ ํ ํธ์ผ: ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค, ์ง. Note: The translation maintains the formal and professional tone of the original, accurately conveys the legal and financial terminology (๋ฏธ๋์์ธก์ง์ for "forward-looking statements", ์ฆ๊ถ๊ฑฐ๋์์ํ for "Securities and Exchange Commission"), and preserves the cautionary nature of the disclosure statement while ensuring natural Korean flow. |
Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us for our fourth quarter and full year 2024 results conference call. Before we begin the Q&A session, Roger and I would like to provide an overview and some commentary on the fourth quarter and full year 2024 results, as well as provide some additional comments on the current business environment and on our future business outlook. Roger? Roger Dassen Thank you, Christophe and welcome everyone. I will first review the fourth quarter and full year 2024 financial accomplishments and then provide guidance on the first quarter of 2025. Let me start with our fourth quarter accomplishments. | 2024๋
4๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ ์ฐ๊ฐ ์ค์ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค์ฝ์ ์ฐธ์ํด ์ฃผ์ ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. Q&A ์ธ์
์ ์์ํ๊ธฐ ์ ์, ์ ์ Roger๋ 2024๋
4๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ ์ฐ๊ฐ ์ค์ ์ ๋ํ ๊ฐ์์ ๋
ผํ์ ์ ๋ฌํ๊ณ , ํ์ฌ์ ์ฌ์
ํ๊ฒฝ๊ณผ ํฅํ ์ ๋ง์ ๋ํด ์ถ๊ฐ์ ์ธ ์๊ฒฌ์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ ํฉ๋๋ค. Roger์จ, ๋ถํ๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. Roger Dassen ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค, Christophe. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ ํ์ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ ๋ ๋จผ์ 2024๋ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ฐ๊ฐ ์ฌ๋ฌด ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ฒํ ํ ํ, 2025๋ 1๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๋ํ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ฅผ ์ ์ํ๋๋ก ํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ถํฐ ์์ํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. Note: The translation maintains the formal and professional tone typical of Korean earnings calls while accurately conveying the financial context. Key terms and speaker names are preserved, and the overall structure remains clear and professional. |
In the fourth quarter of 2024, total net sales were โฌ9.3 billion, which is above the high end of our guidance primarily due to installed base revenue. As expected, it also includes revenue recognition on two High-NA systems. Net system sales were at โฌ7.1 billion which includes โฌ2.9 billion from EUV sales and โฌ4.2 billion from non-EUV sales. Net system sales was driven by Logic at 61% with the remaining 39% coming from Memory. Installed Base management sales for the quarter were above guidance at โฌ2.1 billion, primarily driven by additional upgrade business. | 2024๋ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ด ๋งค์ถ์ก์ 93์ต ์ ๋ก๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ์ฃผ๋ก ์ค์น๊ธฐ๋ฐ ๋งค์ถ ์ฆ๊ฐ์ ํ์ ์ด ๋น์ฌ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค์ ์๋จ์ ์ํํ๋ ์์ค์ ๋๋ค. ์์๋๋ก ์ฌ๊ธฐ์๋ 2๋์ High-NA ์์คํ ๋งค์ถ ์ธ์๋ถ์ด ํฌํจ๋์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ์์คํ ์๋งค์ถ์ 71์ต ์ ๋ก๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด ์ค EUV ๋งค์ถ์ด 29์ต ์ ๋ก, ๋นEUV ๋งค์ถ์ด 42์ต ์ ๋ก๋ฅผ ์ฐจ์งํ์ต๋๋ค. ์์คํ ์๋งค์ถ์ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ ๋ก์ง ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ด 61%๋ฅผ ์ฐจ์งํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ๋๋จธ์ง 39%๋ ๋ฉ๋ชจ๋ฆฌ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ๋ฐ์ํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ค์น๊ธฐ๋ฐ ๊ด๋ฆฌ ๋งค์ถ์ ์ฃผ๋ก ์ถ๊ฐ์ ์ธ ์ ๊ทธ๋ ์ด๋ ์ฌ์ ์ฆ๊ฐ์ ํ์ ์ด ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ฅผ ์ํํ 21์ต ์ ๋ก๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ต๋๋ค. |
Gross margin for the quarter was above guidance at 51.7% due to a combination of additional upgrade business and lower than planned costs associated with the new product introduction of High-NA systems in the field. On operating expenses, R&D expenses came at โฌ1.116 billion in-line with guidance while SG&A expenses came in above guidance at โฌ318 million due to year-end payroll adjustments and a pull in of IT costs. The effective tax rates Q4 was 21.5% as a result of a one-off tax expense related to a historic tax position bringing the full year ETR to 18.6%. 2025 we expect an annualized effective tax rate of around 17%. | ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ด์ด์ต๋ฅ ์ 51.7%๋ก ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ฅผ ์ํํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์ถ๊ฐ์ ์ธ ์ ๊ทธ๋ ์ด๋ ์ฌ์ ๊ณผ High-NA ์์คํ ์ ํ์ฅ ์ ์ ํ ๋์ ๊ด๋ จ ๋น์ฉ์ด ๊ณํ๋ณด๋ค ๋ฎ์๋ ๊ฒ์ด ๋ณตํฉ์ ์ผ๋ก ์์ฉํ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ์ ๋๋ค. ์์ ๋น์ฉ ์ธก๋ฉด์์, R&D ๋น์ฉ์ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค์ ๋ถํฉํ๋ 11์ต 1,600๋ง ์ ๋ก๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ผ๋, SG&A ๋น์ฉ์ ์ฐ๋ง ๊ธ์ฌ ์กฐ์ ๊ณผ IT ๋น์ฉ ์กฐ๊ธฐ ์งํ์ผ๋ก ์ธํด ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ฅผ ์ํํ 3์ต 1,800๋ง ์ ๋ก๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ต๋๋ค. 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ์คํจ์ธ์จ์ ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ ์ธ๋ฌด ํฌ์ง์ ๊ณผ ๊ด๋ จ๋ ์ผํ์ฑ ์ธ๊ธ ๋น์ฉ์ผ๋ก ์ธํด 21.5%๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ก ์ธํด ์ฐ๊ฐ ์คํจ์ธ์จ์ 18.6%๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ต๋๋ค. 2025๋ ์๋ ์ฐ๊ฐํ๋ ์คํจ์ธ์จ์ด ์ฝ 17% ์์ค์ ๊ธฐ๋กํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋ฉ๋๋ค. |
Net income in Q4 was โฌ2.7 billion representing 29.1% of total net sales and resulting in an EPS of โฌ6.85. Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the fourth quarter with cash, cash equivalents and short-term investments at a level of โฌ12.7 billion. We ended Q4 with a free cash flow of โฌ8.839 billion, which is significantly higher relative to last quarter's with the majority of cash coming in at the very end of the quarter. Moving to the order book, Q4 net system bookings came in at โฌ7.1 billion which is made up of โฌ3 billion of EUV and โฌ4.1 billion of non EUV. Net system bookings in the quarter were driven by Logic with 61% of the bookings with Memory accounting for the remaining 39%. | 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ์์ด์ต์ 27์ต ์ ๋ก๋ก, ์ ์ฒด ๋งค์ถ์ 29.1%๋ฅผ ์ฐจ์งํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ฃผ๋น์์ด์ต(EPS)์ 6.85์ ๋ก๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ฌด์ํํ๋ฅผ ์ดํด๋ณด๋ฉด, 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋ง ํ๊ธ, ํ๊ธ์ฑ์์ฐ ๋ฐ ๋จ๊ธฐํฌ์์์ฐ์ 127์ต ์ ๋ก ์์ค์ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ต๋๋ค. 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ์์ฌํ๊ธํ๋ฆ์ 88์ต 3,900๋ง ์ ๋ก๋ก ๋ง๊ฐํ๋๋ฐ, ์ด๋ ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น ํฌ๊ฒ ์ฆ๊ฐํ ์์น์ด๋ฉฐ, ๋๋ถ๋ถ์ ํ๊ธ ์ ์ ์ด ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋ง์ ์ง์ค๋์์ต๋๋ค. ์์ฃผ์๊ณ ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ฉด, 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ์์์คํ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ์ก์ 71์ต ์ ๋ก๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ EUV ์ฅ๋น 30์ต ์ ๋ก์ ๋นEUV ์ฅ๋น 41์ต ์ ๋ก๋ก ๊ตฌ์ฑ๋์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์์์คํ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ์ 61%๋ ๋ก์ง ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ด ์ฐจ์งํ๊ณ , ๋๋จธ์ง 39%๋ ๋ฉ๋ชจ๋ฆฌ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ด ์ฐจ์งํ์ต๋๋ค. |
At this point, I would like to briefly comment on the reporting of our bookings going forward. As we have said in the past, our order flow on a quarterly basis can be lumpy and does not necessarily reflect our business momentum accurately. Our sales guidance is primarily based on -- all our customers as part of our planning cycle. With this in mind, we will continue to report bookings on a quarterly basis through 2025, but will no longer report on bookings thereafter. As of 2026, we will report the total systems backlog on an annual basis. Looking at the full year, net sales came in at โฌ28.3 billion with a gross margin of 51.3%. | ์ด ์์ ์์ ํฅํ ์์ฃผ ์ค์ ๋ณด๊ณ ๋ฐฉ์์ ๋ํด ๊ฐ๋จํ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ ํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ธฐ์กด์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฐ์ด, ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ณ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ๋์ ๋ณ๋์ฑ์ด ํฌ๋ฉฐ ๋ฐ๋์ ๋น์ฌ์ ์ค์ ์ฌ์ ๋ชจ๋ฉํ ์ ์ ํํ๊ฒ ๋ฐ์ํ์ง๋ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋น์ฌ์ ๋งค์ถ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ ์ฃผ๋ก ๊ณํ ์ฃผ๊ธฐ์ ์ผํ์ผ๋ก ๋ชจ๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ์ ํ์ํ ๋ด์ฉ์ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ์ผ๋ก ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ์ ์ ๊ณ ๋ คํ์ฌ, 2025๋ ๊น์ง๋ ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ณ ์์ฃผ ์ค์ ์ ๊ณ์ ๋ณด๊ณ ํ ์์ ์ด๋, ๊ทธ ์ดํ์๋ ๋ ์ด์ ์์ฃผ ์ค์ ์ ๋ณด๊ณ ํ์ง ์์ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. 2026๋ ๋ถํฐ๋ ์ฐ๊ฐ ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก ์ด ์์คํ ์์ฃผ์๊ณ ๋ง์ ๋ณด๊ณ ํ ์์ ์ ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๊ฐ ์ค์ ์ ์ดํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ์๋งค์ถ์ 283์ต ์ ๋ก๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ๋งค์ถ์ด์ด์ต๋ฅ ์ 51.3%๋ฅผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ต๋๋ค. |
EUV system sales realized from 44 systems including High NA were โฌ8.3 billion, 9% lower compared to 2023. DUV system sales grew 4% to โฌ12.8 billion. Metrology & Inspection systems sales increased 20% to โฌ646 million. Looking at the market segments for 2024, Logic system revenue was โฌ13.2 billion, 17% lower than 2023. Memory system revenue was โฌ8.6 billion, 44% higher than 2023 and Installed Base Management sales were โฌ6.5 billion, 16% higher than 2023. We concluded 2024 with a net systems backlog of around โฌ36 billion. In 2024, we continue to invest in innovation across our full product portfolio, increasing R&D spending to โฌ4.3 billion in 2024, or about 15% of sales. | High NA๋ฅผ ํฌํจํ 44๋์ EUV ์์คํ ๋งค์ถ์ 83์ต ์ ๋ก๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ 2023๋ ๋๋น 9% ๊ฐ์ํ ์์น์ ๋๋ค. DUV ์์คํ ๋งค์ถ์ 4% ์ฆ๊ฐํ 128์ต ์ ๋ก๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ณ์ธก ๋ฐ ๊ฒ์ฌ ์์คํ ๋งค์ถ์ 20% ์ฆ๊ฐํ 6์ต 4,600๋ง ์ ๋ก๋ฅผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ต๋๋ค. 2024๋ ์์ฅ ๋ถ๋ฌธ๋ณ๋ก ์ดํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ๋ก์ง ์์คํ ๋งค์ถ์ 132์ต ์ ๋ก๋ก 2023๋ ๋๋น 17% ๊ฐ์ํ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฉ๋ชจ๋ฆฌ ์์คํ ๋งค์ถ์ 86์ต ์ ๋ก๋ก 2023๋ ๋๋น 44% ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ค์น ๊ธฐ๋ฐ ๊ด๋ฆฌ ๋งค์ถ์ 65์ต ์ ๋ก๋ก 2023๋ ๋๋น 16% ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. 2024๋ ์ ์ฝ 360์ต ์ ๋ก์ ์์์คํ ์์ฃผ์๊ณ ๋ก ๋ง๋ฌด๋ฆฌํ์ต๋๋ค. 2024๋ ์๋ ์ ์ฒด ์ ํ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค์ ๊ฑธ์ณ ํ์ ์ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ํฌ์ํ์ฌ, R&D ์ง์ถ์ 2024๋ 43์ต ์ ๋ก(๋งค์ถ์ ์ฝ 15%)๋ก ํ๋ํ์ต๋๋ค. |
SG&A increased to โฌ1.2 billion in 2024, which was about 4% of sales. Net income for the full year was โฌ7.6 billion, 26.8% of net sales, resulting in an earnings per share of โฌ19.25. In 2024, we generated free cash flow of โฌ9.1 billion. We returned โฌ3 billion to shareholders through a combination of dividends and share buybacks in 2024. With that, I would like to turn to our expectations for the first quarter of 2025. We expect Q1 total net sales to be between โฌ7.5 billion and โฌ8 billion. We expect our Q1 installed base management sales to be around โฌ2.1 billion. Gross margin for Q1 is expected to be between 52% and 53%. | ํ๋งค๊ด๋ฆฌ๋น(SG&A)๋ 2024๋ ์ 12์ต ์ ๋ก๋ก ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ๋งค์ถ์ ์ฝ 4%๋ฅผ ์ฐจ์งํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๊ฐ ์์ด์ต์ 76์ต ์ ๋ก๋ก ์๋งค์ถ์ 26.8%๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด์ ๋ฐ๋ฅธ ์ฃผ๋น์์ด์ต(EPS)์ 19.25์ ๋ก์์ต๋๋ค. 2024๋ ์๋ 91์ต ์ ๋ก์ ์์ฌํ๊ธํ๋ฆ(ํ๋ฆฌ์บ์ํ๋ก์ฐ)์ ์ฐฝ์ถํ์ต๋๋ค. 2024๋ ๋์ ๋ฐฐ๋น๊ธ๊ณผ ์์ฌ์ฃผ ๋งค์ ์ ํตํด ์ฃผ์ฃผ๋ค์๊ฒ ์ด 30์ต ์ ๋ก๋ฅผ ํ์ํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด์ด์ 2025๋ 1๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ ๋ง์ ๋ํด ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. 1๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ด ์๋งค์ถ์ 75์ต ์ ๋ก์์ 80์ต ์ ๋ก ์ฌ์ด๊ฐ ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋ฉ๋๋ค. 1๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค์น๊ธฐ๋ฐ ๊ด๋ฆฌ ๋งค์ถ(installed base management sales)์ ์ฝ 21์ต ์ ๋ก๊ฐ ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์ ๋ง๋ฉ๋๋ค. 1๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋งค์ถ์ด์ด์ต๋ฅ ์ 52%์์ 53% ์ฌ์ด๊ฐ ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋ฉ๋๋ค. |
This is primarily driven by a positive effect from no High NA revenue recognition in the quarter, partly offset by lower immersion volume. The expected R&D expenses for Q1 are around โฌ1.14 billion and SG&A is expected to be around โฌ290 million. In Q4, ASML paid the second quarterly interim dividend over 2024 of โฌ1.52 per ordinary share. ASML intends to declare a total dividend for the year 2024 of โฌ6.4 per ordinary share. The third interim dividend of โฌ1.52 per ordinary share will be made payable on February 19, 2025. Recognizing this third interim dividend and the two interim dividends of โฌ1.52 per ordinary share paid in 2024. | ์ด๋ ์ฃผ๋ก ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค High NA ๋งค์ถ ์ธ์์ด ์์๋ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ํฅ์ ๊ธฐ์ธํ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ๋ถ๋ถ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ด๋จธ์ ๋ฌผ๋ ๊ฐ์๋ก ์์๋์์ต๋๋ค. 1๋ถ๊ธฐ ์์ ์ฐ๊ตฌ๊ฐ๋ฐ(R&D) ๋น์ฉ์ ์ฝ 11์ต 4์ฒ๋ง ์ ๋ก์ด๋ฉฐ, ํ๋งค๊ด๋ฆฌ๋น(SG&A)๋ ์ฝ 2์ต 9์ฒ๋ง ์ ๋ก๋ก ์์๋ฉ๋๋ค. 4๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ASML์ 2024๋ ๋ ๋ ๋ฒ์งธ ์ค๊ฐ ๋ฐฐ๋น๊ธ์ผ๋ก ๋ณดํต์ฃผ 1์ฃผ๋น 1.52์ ๋ก๋ฅผ ์ง๊ธํ์ต๋๋ค. ASML์ 2024๋ ๋ ์ฐ๊ฐ ์ด ๋ฐฐ๋น๊ธ์ ๋ณดํต์ฃผ 1์ฃผ๋น 6.4์ ๋ก๋ก ์ ์ธํ ์์ ์ ๋๋ค. ์ธ ๋ฒ์งธ ์ค๊ฐ ๋ฐฐ๋น๊ธ์ธ ๋ณดํต์ฃผ 1์ฃผ๋น 1.52์ ๋ก๋ 2025๋ 2์ 19์ผ์ ์ง๊ธ๋ ์์ ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์ด ์ธ ๋ฒ์งธ ์ค๊ฐ ๋ฐฐ๋น๊ธ๊ณผ 2024๋ ์ ์ง๊ธ๋ ๋ ์ฐจ๋ก์ ์ค๊ฐ ๋ฐฐ๋น๊ธ(๋ณดํต์ฃผ 1์ฃผ๋น 1.52์ ๋ก)์ ๋ฐ์ํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
This leads to a final dividend proposal to the general meeting of โฌ1.84 per ordinary share. In Q4 2024, no shares were purchased. With that, I would like to turn the call back over to Christophe. Christophe Fouquet Thank you, Roger. As Roger has highlighted, we finished 2024 with a strong quarter. We are extremely thankful to the whole ASML team that worked very hard to realize these results. In 2024 we have also successfully achieved a number of technology milestones, including the release of a number of new products critical for our customerโs technology roadmaps. | ์ด์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ์ฃผ์ฃผ์ดํ์ ๋ณดํต์ฃผ 1์ฃผ๋น 1.84์ ๋ก์ ์ต์ข
๋ฐฐ๋น์ ์ ์ํ๊ฒ ๋์์ต๋๋ค. 2024๋
4๋ถ๊ธฐ์๋ ์์ฌ์ฃผ ๋งค์
์ด ์์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด์ Christophe์๊ฒ ๋ค์ ๋ง์ดํฌ๋ฅผ ๋๊ธฐ๋๋ก ํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. Christophe Fouquet Roger๊ป์ ์ธ๊ธํ์ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฐ์ด, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ 2024๋ ์ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ง๋ฌด๋ฆฌํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ๊ธฐ ์ํด ์ด์ฌํ ๋ ธ๋ ฅํด ์ค ASML ์ ์ฒด ํ์ ๊น์ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ฅผ ํํฉ๋๋ค. 2024๋ ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๋ํ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ์ ๊ธฐ์ ๋ก๋๋งต์ ํต์ฌ์ ์ธ ๋ค์์ ์ ์ ํ ์ถ์๋ฅผ ํฌํจํ์ฌ, ์ฌ๋ฌ ๊ธฐ์ ์ ์ด์ ํ๋ฅผ ์ฑ๊ณต์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ต๋๋ค. |
On our Low NA EUV technology, the NXE:3800E, we demonstrated the full system specification in our factory with 220 wafers per hour throughput at a new record overlay. We are on track to deliver a new systems at full specification and start upgrades for the system already at our customers during the first half of 2025. We continue to work with our customers to drive the maturation of the system to support their ramp to high volume manufacturing. On High NA EUV, we completed the installation and customer acceptance on two systems in Q4. Customers have now run over ten thousand wafers on High NA systems and their feedback has been very positive. | ๋น์ฌ์ Low NA EUV ๊ธฐ์ ์ธ NXE:3800E์ ๊ด๋ จํ์ฌ, ๋น์ฌ ๊ณต์ฅ์์ ์๋ก์ด ์ค๋ฒ๋ ์ด ๊ธฐ๋ก๊ณผ ํจ๊ป ์๊ฐ๋น 220์ฅ์ ์จ์ดํผ ์ฒ๋ฆฌ๋์ผ๋ก ์ ์ฒด ์์คํ ์ฌ์์ ์ ์ฆํ์ต๋๋ค. 2025๋ ์๋ฐ๊ธฐ ์ค ์ ๊ท ์์คํ ์ ์์ ํ ์ฌ์์ผ๋ก ๋ฉํํ๊ณ ๊ธฐ์กด ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ์ ์ค์น๋ ์์คํ ์ ์ ๊ทธ๋ ์ด๋๋ฅผ ์์ํ ์์ ์ด๋ฉฐ, ํ์ฌ ๊ณํ๋๋ก ์งํ๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ค์ ๋๋ ์์ฐ ํ๋๋ฅผ ์ง์ํ๊ธฐ ์ํด ์์คํ ์ ์ฑ์๋๋ฅผ ๋์ด๋ ์์ ์ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ์งํํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. High NA EUV์ ๊ด๋ จํด์๋ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๋ ๋์ ์์คํ ์ค์น์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์น์ธ์ ์๋ฃํ์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ค์ High NA ์์คํ ์ผ๋ก 1๋ง ์ฅ ์ด์์ ์จ์ดํผ๋ฅผ ์ฒ๋ฆฌํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด์ ๋ํ ํผ๋๋ฐฑ์ด ๋งค์ฐ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ด์์ต๋๋ค. |
They are seeing major performance benefits in imaging, overlay and contrast which also provide significant cost reduction opportunities for both Logic and DRAM processes. We continue to work with our customers to define the exact insertion point for High NA in their processes. We also shipped a third system in Q4 that is now undergoing install and qualification. On DUV, we shipped the first NXT:870B, the latest generation KrF system capable of throughput of over 400 wafers per hour and the NXT:2150i, the latest generation immersion DUV system capable of achieving throughput over 310 wafers per hour and overlay performance of equal or less than 1 nanometer. | ์ด๋ฏธ์ง, ์ค๋ฒ๋ ์ด ๋ฐ ์ฝํธ๋ผ์คํธ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ์ฃผ์ํ ์ฑ๋ฅ ํฅ์์ด ๊ด์ฐฐ๋๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ๋ก์ง๊ณผ DRAM ๊ณต์ ๋ชจ๋์์ ์๋นํ ๋น์ฉ ์ ๊ฐ ๊ธฐํ๋ฅผ ์ ๊ณตํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋น์ฌ๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ค๊ณผ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ํ๋ ฅํ์ฌ ๊ทธ๋ค์ ๊ณต์ ์์ High NA์ ์ ํํ ๋์ ์์ ์ ๊ฒฐ์ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ํ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ์๋ ํ์ฌ ์ค์น ๋ฐ ๊ฒ์ฆ ๊ณผ์ ์ค์ ์๋ ์ธ ๋ฒ์งธ ์์คํ ์ ์ถํํ์ต๋๋ค. DUV ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์๋, ์๊ฐ๋น 400์ฅ ์ด์์ ์จ์ดํผ ์ฒ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๊ฐ๋ฅํ ์ต์ ์ธ๋ KrF ์์คํ ์ธ NXT:870B์, ์๊ฐ๋น 310์ฅ ์ด์์ ์จ์ดํผ ์ฒ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๊ฐ๋ฅํ๊ณ 1๋๋ ธ๋ฏธํฐ ์ดํ์ ์ค๋ฒ๋ ์ด ์ฑ๋ฅ์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ ์ ์๋ ์ต์ ์ธ๋ ์นจ์ง์ DUV ์์คํ ์ธ NXT:2150i๋ฅผ ์ต์ด๋ก ์ถํํ์ต๋๋ค. |
And finally, in Applications, after close collaboration with multiple customers we have successfully completed the evaluations and recognized first revenue from a number of eScan 1100 Multi-beam Inspection systems. All-in-all, our product pipeline remains strong, supporting the roadmap requirements of our customers and driving our overall competitiveness. We will share more performance data at the SPIE Lithography conference in February. Looking to 2025, we see full year revenue between โฌ30 billion and โฌ35 billion and gross margin between 51% and 53%. Consistent with our view from last quarter, artificial intelligence has become the key driver for growth in our industry at this moment. | ๋ง์ง๋ง์ผ๋ก ์ ํ๋ฆฌ์ผ์ด์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์๋ ์ฌ๋ฌ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ค๊ณผ์ ๊ธด๋ฐํ ํ๋ ฅ์ ํตํด ๋ค์์ eScan 1100 ๋ฉํฐ๋น ๊ฒ์ฌ ์์คํ ์ ๋ํ ํ๊ฐ๋ฅผ ์ฑ๊ณต์ ์ผ๋ก ์๋ฃํ๊ณ ์ฒซ ๋งค์ถ์ ์ธ์ํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋น์ฌ์ ์ ํ ํ์ดํ๋ผ์ธ์ ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํ ์ํ๋ฅผ ์ ์งํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ค์ ๋ก๋๋งต ์๊ตฌ์ฌํญ์ ์ง์ํ๊ณ ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ธ ๊ฒฝ์๋ ฅ์ ๊ฐํํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. 2์ SPIE ๋ฆฌ์๊ทธ๋ํผ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค์์ ๋ ์์ธํ ์ฑ๋ฅ ๋ฐ์ดํฐ๋ฅผ ๊ณต์ ํ ์์ ์ ๋๋ค. 2025๋ ์ ์ ๋งํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ฐ๊ฐ ๋งค์ถ์ 300์ต ์ ๋ก์์ 350์ต ์ ๋ก ์ฌ์ด, ๋งค์ถ์ด์ด์ต๋ฅ ์ 51%์์ 53% ์ฌ์ด๊ฐ ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋ฉ๋๋ค. ์ง๋ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ ๋ง๊ณผ ์ผ๊ด๋๊ฒ, ํ์ฌ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ์ ๊ณ์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ์ฃผ๋ํ๋ ํต์ฌ ๋๋ ฅ์ ์ธ๊ณต์ง๋ฅ์ด ๋์์ต๋๋ค. |
As we have witnessed in 2024, AI has created a shift in the market dynamics that is not benefiting all customers equally in the short term. If AI demand continues to be strong and customers are successful in bringing on additional capacity online to support that demand, there is potential opportunity towards the upper end of our range. On the other hand, there are also risks related to customers and geopolitics that could drive results towards the lower end of the range. Looking at market segments, we currently expect Logic to be up versus 2024 with the ramp of leading-edge nodes while we expect Memory to remain strong, similar to 2024. | 2024๋ ์ ๋ชฉ๊ฒฉํ๋ฏ์ด, AI๋ ๋จ๊ธฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ชจ๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์๊ฒ ๋๋ฑํ ํํ์ ์ฃผ์ง ์๋ ์์ฅ ์ญํ์ ๋ณํ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์ ธ์์ต๋๋ค. AI ์์๊ฐ ๊ณ์ ๊ฐ์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ด ์ด๋ฌํ ์์๋ฅผ ๋ท๋ฐ์นจํ๊ธฐ ์ํ ์ถ๊ฐ ์์ฐ๋ฅ๋ ฅ์ ์ฑ๊ณต์ ์ผ๋ก ํ๋ณดํ๋ค๋ฉด, ๋น์ฌ์ ์์ ๋ฒ์ ์๋จ์ ํฅํ ์ ์ฌ์ ๊ธฐํ๊ฐ ์์ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ฉด์, ๊ณ ๊ฐ ๊ด๋ จ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ์ ์ง์ ํ์ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ๋ก ์ธํด ์ค์ ์ด ์์ ๋ฒ์์ ํ๋จ์ผ๋ก ์ด์ด์ง ์ ์๋ ์ํ๋ ์กด์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์์ฅ ๋ถ๋ฌธ๋ณ๋ก ์ดํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ ๋จ ๊ณต์ ์ ์ฆ์ค๋ก ์ธํด ๋ก์ง ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ 2024๋ ๋๋น ์์นํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋๋ฉฐ, ๋ฉ๋ชจ๋ฆฌ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ 2024๋ ๊ณผ ๋น์ทํ ์์ค์ ๊ฐ์ธ๋ฅผ ์ ์งํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์ ๋ง๋ฉ๋๋ค. |
With respect to our Installed Base business, we expect revenue to grow versus 2024 driven by both service and upgrades as part of a growing install base, to which EUV's contribution is continuing to grow. Our China business in 2023 and 2024 was relatively high because of our ability to execute on a backlog that was created after low order fill rates in previous years. For 2025 and beyond, we expect our China business to go back to a more normalized percentage of our sales. Looking longer term, overall the semiconductor market remains strong with artificial intelligence creating growth but also a shift in market dynamics as I highlighted earlier. | ์ค์น๋ฒ ์ด์ค ์ฌ์ ๊ณผ ๊ด๋ จํ์ฌ, ๋น์ฌ๋ ์๋น์ค์ ์ ๊ทธ๋ ์ด๋ ๋ชจ๋์์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ด ์์๋๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ EUV์ ๊ธฐ์ฌ๋๊ฐ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ์ฆ๊ฐํ๊ณ ์๋ ์ค์น๋ฒ ์ด์ค ํ๋์ ๊ธฐ์ธํ์ฌ 2024๋ ๋๋น ๋งค์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ์ ๋งํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. 2023๋ ๊ณผ 2024๋ ์ ์ค๊ตญ ์ฌ์ ์ ์ด์ ์ฐ๋๋ค์ ๋ฎ์ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ ์ถฉ์กฑ๋ฅ ๋ก ์ธํด ํ์ฑ๋ ๋ฐฑ๋ก๊ทธ๋ฅผ ์ฑ๊ณต์ ์ผ๋ก ์คํํ ์ ์์๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ์๋์ ์ผ๋ก ๋์ ์ค์ ์ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ต๋๋ค. 2025๋ ์ดํ์๋ ์ค๊ตญ ์ฌ์ ์ด ๋น์ฌ ๋งค์ถ์์ ์ฐจ์งํ๋ ๋น์ค์ด ๋ณด๋ค ์ ์ํ๋ ์์ค์ผ๋ก ๋์๊ฐ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋ฉ๋๋ค. ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ ๊ด์ ์์ ๋ณผ ๋, ์์ ์ธ๊ธํ๋ฏ์ด ์ธ๊ณต์ง๋ฅ์ด ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๊ฒฌ์ธํ๊ณ ์์ฅ ์ญํ์ ๋ณํ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์ ธ์ค๊ณ ์์ง๋ง, ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ธ ๋ฐ๋์ฒด ์์ฅ์ ์ฌ์ ํ ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํ ์ํ๋ฅผ ์ ์งํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
These dynamics will lead to a shift in the mix of end market products towards more HPC and HBM which requires more advanced Logic and DRAM. For ASML, we anticipate that an increased number of critical lithography exposures for these advanced Logic and Memory processes will drive increasing demand for ASML products and services. As a result, we see a 2030 revenue opportunity between โฌ44 billion and โฌ60 billion with gross margins expected between 56% and 66%, as we presented in Investor Day 2024. With that we would be happy to take your questions. Jim Kavanagh Thank you, Roger and Christophe. The operator will now instruct you all momentarily on the protocol for the Q&A session. | ์ด๋ฌํ ์ญํ๊ด๊ณ๋ก ์ธํด ์ต์ข
์์ฅ ์ ํ์ ๊ตฌ์ฑ์ด ๋ ๋ง์ HPC(๊ณ ์ฑ๋ฅ ์ปดํจํ
)์ HBM(๊ณ ๋์ญํญ ๋ฉ๋ชจ๋ฆฌ) ์ชฝ์ผ๋ก ์ด๋ํ ๊ฒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ๋์ฑ ๋ฐ์ ๋ ๋ก์ง๊ณผ DRAM์ ํ์๋ก ํ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ASML์ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ, ์ด๋ฌํ ์ฒจ๋จ ๋ก์ง ๋ฐ ๋ฉ๋ชจ๋ฆฌ ๊ณต์ ์์ ์ค์ ๋ฆฌ์๊ทธ๋ํผ ๋
ธ๊ด ํ์๊ฐ ์ฆ๊ฐํจ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ASML์ ์ ํ๊ณผ ์๋น์ค์ ๋ํ ์์๊ฐ ์ฆ๊ฐํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ์ ์ผ๋ก, 2024๋
ํฌ์์์ ๋ ์์ ๋ฐํํ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฐ์ด, 2030๋
๊น์ง 440์ต ์ ๋ก์์ 600์ต ์ ๋ก ์ฌ์ด์ ๋งค์ถ ๊ธฐํ๊ฐ ์์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์ ๋งํ๋ฉฐ, ์์ ๋งค์ถ์ด์ด์ต๋ฅ ์ 56%์์ 66% ์ฌ์ด๊ฐ ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋ฉ๋๋ค. ์ด์ ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋ฐ๋๋ก ํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. Jim Kavanagh Roger์ Christophe๊ป ๊ฐ์ฌ๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. ์ ์ ํ ์งํ์๊ฐ Q&A ์ธ์ ์ ์งํ ๋ฐฉ์์ ๋ํด ์๋ดํด ๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
Before I would like to ask you to kindly limit yourself to one question with one short follow up if necessary. This will allow us to get through as many callers as possible. Now, operator, could we have your final instructions and then the first question please? | ๋ชจ๋ ๋ถ๋ค๊ป ํ ๊ฐ์ง ์ง๋ฌธ๊ณผ ํ์ํ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ ๊ฐ๋จํ ์ถ๊ฐ ์ง๋ฌธ ํ๋๋ก ์ ํํด ์ฃผ์๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ถํ๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฅผ ํตํด ์ต๋ํ ๋ง์ ๋ถ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ ์์ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ์ด์ ์งํ์๋, ๋ง์ง๋ง ์๋ด์ฌํญ๊ณผ ํจ๊ป ์ฒซ ๋ฒ์งธ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋ฐ์์ฃผ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๊น? Note: This is a common opening statement in earnings calls, translated to maintain the formal and professional tone while being natural in Korean. The translation preserves the procedural nature of the request and the courtesy typically expected in Korean business communications. |
Here's a summary of the ASML earnings call in Korean:
โข ์ค์ ํ์ด๋ผ์ดํธ:
- 2024๋
4๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋งค์ถ 93์ต ์ ๋ก (๊ฐ์ด๋์ค ์ํ)
- ์ฐ๊ฐ ๋งค์ถ 283์ต ์ ๋ก, ์์ด์ต 76์ต ์ ๋ก (์์ด์ต๋ฅ 26.8%)
- ์์คํ
์ฃผ๋ฌธ์๊ณ ์ฝ 360์ต ์ ๋ก ๊ธฐ๋ก
โข 2025๋
์ ๋ง:
- ์ฐ๊ฐ ๋งค์ถ 300-350์ต ์ ๋ก ์์
- ๋งค์ถ์ด์ด์ต๋ฅ 51-53% ์ ๋ง
- AI ์์๊ฐ ์ฃผ์ ์ฑ์ฅ ๋๋ ฅ์ด๋, ์ง์ ํ์ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ ์กด์ฌ
โข ์ฃผ์ ์ฌ์
๋ํฅ:
- ๋ก์ง ๋ถ๋ฌธ ๋งค์ถ ์ฆ๊ฐ ์์
- ๋ฉ๋ชจ๋ฆฌ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ 2024๋
์์ค ์ ์ง ์ ๋ง
- ์ค๊ตญ ์ฌ์
์ ์ ์ํ๋ ์์ค์ผ๋ก ํ๊ท ์์
โข ์ฅ๊ธฐ ์ ๋ง:
- 2030๋
๋งค์ถ 440-600์ต ์ ๋ก ๋ชฉํ
- ๋งค์ถ์ด์ด์ต๋ฅ 56-66% ๋ฌ์ฑ ๊ธฐ๋
- AI/HPC ์์ ์ฆ๊ฐ๋ก ์ฒจ๋จ ๊ณต์ ์์ ํ๋ ์ ๋ง
โข ๊ธฐ์ ์ง์ :
- High-NA EUV ์์คํ
2๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์ธ๋ ์๋ฃ
- ์ ๊ท DUV ์์คํ
์ถํ ๊ฐ์
- eScan 1100 ๊ฒ์ฌ์ฅ๋น ์ฒซ ๋งค์ถ ์ธ์
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Question-and-Answer Session Operator Thank you. [Operator Instructions] We will now go to the first question. One moment please. And the first question comes from the line of Joe Quatrochi from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead. Joe Quatrochi Yes, thanks for taking the question. I had a question on your 2025 outlook. You mentioned that if customers are able to build capacity for AI, then you think you can hit the high end of your revenue guide? How do we think about that relative to your lead times? I know you've pre built some EUV tools, but shouldn't we have a pretty decent idea kind of in the first half of this year if that high end of the target guide is possible? | ์ง์์๋ต ์งํ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. [์งํ์ ์๋ด์ฌํญ] ์ด์ ์ฒซ ๋ฒ์งธ ์ง๋ฌธ์ผ๋ก ๋์ด๊ฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ ์๋ง ๊ธฐ๋ค๋ ค ์ฃผ์ญ์์ค. ์ฒซ ๋ฒ์งธ ์ง๋ฌธ์ Wells Fargo์ Joe Quatrochi ๋๊ป์ ํ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. Joe Quatrochi๋, ์ง๋ฌธํด ์ฃผ์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค. ๋ค, ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๊ธฐํ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. 2025๋ ์ ๋ง์ ๋ํด ์ง๋ฌธ๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ค์ด AI ๊ด๋ จ ์์ฐ๋ฅ๋ ฅ์ ํ์ถฉํ ์ ์๋ค๋ฉด ๋งค์ถ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค์ ์๋จ์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ ์ ์์ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ๋ง์ํ์ จ๋๋ฐ์. ์ด๊ฒ์ ๊ท์ฌ์ ๋ฆฌ๋ํ์๊ณผ ์ฐ๊ด ์ง์ด ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์ดํดํด์ผ ํ ๊น์? EUV ์ฅ๋น๋ฅผ ์ฌ์ ์ ์ํด ๋์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์๊ณ ์๋๋ฐ, ์ฌํด ์๋ฐ๊ธฐ ์ค์๋ ๊ทธ ๋งค์ถ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค ์๋จ ๋ฌ์ฑ ๊ฐ๋ฅ์ฑ์ ๊ฝค ์ ํํ๊ฒ ํ์ ํ ์ ์์ง ์์๊น์? Note: - Preserved financial terms like "๊ฐ์ด๋์ค" (guidance), "๋ฆฌ๋ํ์" (lead time) - Maintained the formal, professional tone appropriate for an earnings call - Used natural Korean business language while keeping the meaning precise - Added appropriate honorifics (๋, ์ต๋๋ค) as per Korean business etiquette |
Christophe Fouquet Well, I think as we go into the year I think that we'll have indeed more visibility on what the final expectation is going to be. I think right now we are in our supply plan taking into account some of the upside we see. So we are preparing for that and I think you're getting it right. As time goes and this opportunity become more concrete or less concrete, we will decide to build or not build those stores. Joe Quatrochi Okay, that's helpful. And then in terms of the gross margin dynamics, the cost of High NA installs this past quarter was a bit lower than expected. | Christophe Fouquet ์ฐ์ด์ ์ ์ด๋ค๋ฉด์ ์ต์ข ์ ๋ง์ ๋ํด ๋ ๋ช ํํ ๊ฐ์์ฑ์ ํ๋ณดํ ์ ์์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ๊ณต๊ธ ๊ณํ์์๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๋ณด๊ณ ์๋ ์ผ๋ถ ์์น ์์ธ๋ค์ ๊ณ ๋ คํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ด์ ๋๋นํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ๊ทํ์ ์ดํด๊ฐ ์ ํํ๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ์๊ฐ์ด ์ง๋๋ฉด์ ์ด๋ฌํ ๊ธฐํ๊ฐ ๋ ๊ตฌ์ฒดํ๋๊ฑฐ๋ ๋ถํ์คํด์ง์ ๋ฐ๋ผ, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ํด๋น ์ฌ๊ณ ๋ฅผ ํ๋ณดํ ์ง ์ฌ๋ถ๋ฅผ ๊ฒฐ์ ํ๊ฒ ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. Joe Quatrochi ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค, ๋์์ด ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋งค์ถ์ด์ด์ต ์ญํ๊ณผ ๊ด๋ จํ์ฌ, ์ง๋ ๋ถ๊ธฐ High NA ์ค์น ๋น์ฉ์ด ์์๋ณด๋ค ๋ฎ์์ต๋๋ค. Note: "High NA"๋ ๋ฐ๋์ฒด ์ฅ๋น ์ ๊ณ์์ ์ฌ์ฉ๋๋ ์ ๋ฌธ ์ฉ์ด๋ก "High Numerical Aperture"์ ์ฝ์์ด๋ฏ๋ก ์๋ฌธ ๊ทธ๋๋ก ํ๊ธฐํ์์ต๋๋ค. |
As we look in the second half and you talked about gross margin maybe a little bit higher in the first half. How do we think about the expectations of just the cost of installing those tools in the first half relative to the kind of outperformance that you saw this past quarter? Is there any kind of update there? Roger Dassen Yes, Joe. So indeed the costs were a little bit lower in the last quarter. But in coming up with our projections for 2025, I would say that those learnings are also embedded in there. So we are recognizing in 2025 that we have lower costs. So I would still see that as a one-off benefit to the quarter. | ํ๋ฐ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ ๋งํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ๊ทํ๊ป์ ์๋ฐ๊ธฐ๋ณด๋ค ๋งค์ถ์ด์ด์ต๋ฅ ์ด ๋ค์ ๋์์ง ์ ์๋ค๊ณ ์ธ๊ธํ์
จ๋๋ฐ์. ์ง๋ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ค์ ์ด๊ณผ ๋ฌ์ฑ๊ณผ ๋น๊ตํ์ฌ ์๋ฐ๊ธฐ ์ฅ๋น ์ค์น ๋น์ฉ์ ๋ํ ๊ธฐ๋์น๋ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๋ณด์์ผ ํ ๊น์? ์ด์ ๊ด๋ จํด ์
๋ฐ์ดํธํด ์ฃผ์ค ๋ด์ฉ์ด ์์ผ์ ๊ฐ์? Roger Dassen ๋ค, Joe๋. ๋ง์ํ์ ๋๋ก ์ง๋ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์๋ ๋น์ฉ์ด ๋ค์ ๋ฎ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง 2025๋ ์ ๋ง์ ์๋ฆฝํ ๋ ์ด๋ฌํ ํ์ตํจ๊ณผ๋ ์ด๋ฏธ ๋ฐ์๋์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ 2025๋ ์๋ ๋ฎ์์ง ๋น์ฉ์ ์ธ์ํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ง๋ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๋น์ฉ ์ ๊ฐ์ ์ผํ์ฑ ์ด์ต์ผ๋ก ๋ณด์์ผ ํ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. |
I wouldn't necessarily read into that, that we're going to have significant savings that were not recognized when we provided the 51% to 53% guidance. But you are right. In the second half we did say that we expect the gross margin to be a little bit lower because the revenue recognition on High NA is to be skewed towards the second half. Joe Quatrochi Thank you. Operator Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Tammy Qiu from Berenberg. Please go ahead. Tammy Qiu Hi, thank you for taking my question. So firstly our High NA since CMD you have been mentioning that the progress at customers has been ahead of where you were expecting. | ์ด๋ฅผ ํตํด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ 51%์์ 53% ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ฅผ ์ ์ํ์ ๋ ์ธ์ํ์ง ๋ชปํ๋ ์๋นํ ๋น์ฉ ์ ๊ฐ์ด ์์ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ํด์ํ์ง๋ ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ๋ง์ํ์ ๋๋ก ๋ง์ต๋๋ค. ํ๋ฐ๊ธฐ์๋ High NA ๊ด๋ จ ๋งค์ถ ์ธ์์ด ํ๋ฐ๊ธฐ์ ์ง์ค๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋์ด ๋งค์ถ์ด์ด์ต๋ฅ ์ด ๋ค์ ๋ฎ์์ง ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ์ธ๊ธํ์ต๋๋ค. Joe Quatrochi ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์งํ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ Berenberg์ Tammy Qiu ๋๊ป์ ํ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค. Tammy Qiu ์๋ ํ์ธ์, ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋ต๋ณํด ์ฃผ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฐ์ High NA์ ๊ด๋ จํ์ฌ, CMD(Capital Markets Day) ์ดํ๋ก ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ค์ ์งํ ์ํฉ์ด ์์๋ณด๋ค ์์ ์๋ค๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ธ๊ธํด ์ค์ จ๋๋ฐ์. |
So currently of course you are negotiating within the timeframe, etcetera. But can you comment if there is any potential for them to use it quicker because that helps them saving the cost of manufacturing. Christophe Fouquet Well Tammy, this is Christophe. So I think that there's a few conditions for customers to use a new tool like High NA. The first one is the one you repeated which is, the performance have to be attractive, have to be good. I think that's most probably one requirement we check at this point of time. The second one is going to be the maturity of the platform. And there as we typically try to ship a few early tools. | ํ์ฌ ๊ทํ๊ป์๋ ๋ฌผ๋ก ํ์ํ๋ ์ ๋ฑ์ ๋ํด ํ์ ์ค์ด์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ค์ด ์ ์กฐ ๋น์ฉ ์ ๊ฐ์ ์ํด ์ด๋ฅผ ๋ ๋นจ๋ฆฌ ์ฌ์ฉํ ๊ฐ๋ฅ์ฑ์ด ์๋์ง ์ฝ๋ฉํธํด ์ฃผ์ค ์ ์์ผ์ ๊ฐ์? ํฌ๋ฆฌ์คํ ํ ํธ์ผ: ๋ค, ํฌ๋ฆฌ์คํ ํ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๊ฐ High NA์ ๊ฐ์ ์๋ก์ด ์ฅ๋น๋ฅผ ์ฌ์ฉํ๊ธฐ ์ํด์๋ ๋ช ๊ฐ์ง ์กฐ๊ฑด์ด ์๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฒซ ๋ฒ์งธ๋ ๋ฐฉ๊ธ ๋ง์ํ์ ๋๋ก ์ฑ๋ฅ์ด ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ด๊ณ ์ฐ์ํด์ผ ํ๋ค๋ ์ ์ ๋๋ค. ํ ์์ ์์ ์ด ์๊ตฌ์ฌํญ์ ์ถฉ์กฑํ๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ด ๋๋ค. ๋ ๋ฒ์งธ๋ ํ๋ซํผ์ ์ฑ์๋๊ฐ ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด์ ๊ด๋ จํด์๋ ํต์์ ์ผ๋ก ์ด๊ธฐ ์ฅ๋น๋ฅผ ๋ช ๋ ์ถํํ๋ ค๊ณ ๋ ธ๋ ฅํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
These are over 5,000 so that we can start to work aggressively on maturity. We are going to start shipping the 5200 which is a tool more fit to high volume manufacturing. And then we'll have to spend a bit of time to demonstrate that the maturity research is such that customers are comfortable to use it in production. So that process typically takes 12 months, 18 months. It depends a bit on where we start with the tool. And the discussion is a discussion we have I would say on a regular basis because again depending on the progress of course the appetite to move faster or slower is going to be adjusted. Tammy Qiu Okay. Okay, thank you. I guess I will circle back in 12 monthsโ time. | ์ด๋ 5,000๊ฐ ์ด์์ด๋ฏ๋ก ์ฑ์๋ ํฅ์์ ์ํด ์ ๊ทน์ ์ผ๋ก ์์
์ ์์ํ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๋๋ ์์ฐ์ ๋ ์ ํฉํ ๋๊ตฌ์ธ 5200 ๋ชจ๋ธ์ ์ถํ๋ฅผ ์์ํ ์์ ์
๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ด ์์ฐ ๊ณผ์ ์์ ์์ฌํ๊ณ ์ฌ์ฉํ ์ ์์ ์ ๋๋ก ์ฑ์๋ ์ฐ๊ตฌ๊ฐ ์งํ๋์์์ ์
์ฆํ๋ ๋ฐ ์ฝ๊ฐ์ ์๊ฐ์ด ํ์ํ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ๊ณผ์ ์ ์ผ๋ฐ์ ์ผ๋ก 12๊ฐ์์์ 18๊ฐ์์ด ์์๋ฉ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๋๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ์ด๋ ์์ ๋ถํฐ ์์ํ๋๋์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ๋ค์ ๋ฌ๋ผ์ง ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ด์ ๋ํ ๋
ผ์๋ ์ ๊ธฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ด๋ฃจ์ด์ง๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ง์๋๋ฆด ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์งํ ์ํฉ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ๋ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒ ๋๋ ๋ ์ฒ์ฒํ ์งํํ๊ณ ์ ํ๋ ์์ง๊ฐ ์กฐ์ ๋ ๊ฒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์
๋๋ค. ํ๋ฏธ ํ ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ค, ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. 12๊ฐ์ ํ์ ๋ค์ ํ์ธํด๋ณด๋๋ก ํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
And also just in terms of China, so China, I noticed that they have been kind of pulling in some of the orders maybe because of the pending U.S. restriction which supposed to be implemented quite soon. I mean the new wave. Do you actually see your customer pulling in their order as a result? Do you see China order decline quicker in the coming months because of everything has been pulled in? And also I know that you mentioned in the in the prerecord video that China was China expectation on U.S. and has been falling into expectations. So do you think there is potential for China to have some downside or upside in this year as you have everything clearer to you versus three months ago? | ์ค๊ตญ ๊ด๋ จํด์๋ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ค๊ตญ์ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ, ๊ณง ์ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋๋ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ ์๋ก์ด ๊ท์ ๋ฅผ ์๋๊ณ ์ผ๋ถ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ์ ์๋น๊ธฐ๋ ํ์์ด ์๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ํ์
๋ฉ๋๋ค. ์ด์ ๊ด๋ จํ์ฌ ๊ท์ฌ์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ด ์ค์ ๋ก ์ฃผ๋ฌธ์ ์๋น๊ธฐ๊ณ ์๋์ง, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ด๋ฌํ ์ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ์ผ๋ก ์ธํด ํฅํ ๋ช ๋ฌ๊ฐ ์ค๊ตญ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ์ด ๋ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋๋์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ํ ์ฌ์ ๋
นํ๋ ์์์์ ์ธ๊ธํ์
จ๋ฏ์ด, ์ค๊ตญ์ ์ค์ ์ด ๋ฏธ๊ตญ๊ณผ ํจ๊ป ์์์น์ ๋ถํฉํ๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ํ์
จ๋๋ฐ์. 3๊ฐ์ ์ ๊ณผ ๋น๊ตํ์ฌ ํ์ฌ ์ํฉ์ด ๋ ๋ช
ํํด์ง ์์ ์์, ์ฌํด ์ค๊ตญ ์์ฅ์ด ํ๋ฐฉ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ๋ ์๋ฐฉ ๊ฐ๋ฅ์ฑ์ด ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ณด์๋์ง ์ฌ์ญค๋ณด๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. Note: The translation maintains the inquiring tone of the original while using formal business Korean (ํฉ์ผ์ฒด) appropriate for earnings calls. Key financial terms like "๊ท์ " (restrictions), "ํ๋ฐฉ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ" (downside risk), and "์๋ฐฉ ๊ฐ๋ฅ์ฑ" (upside potential) are accurately preserved. The translation is structured to flow naturally in Korean while maintaining all the key points about China orders, U.S. restrictions, and market expectations. |
Roger Dassen I think to be honest our view on China hasn't really changed in comparison to when we last spoke. Right. So when we last spoke we said the key dynamic on China is that and why China was so very strong in 2023 and 2024 now because for a number of years we have been building up a very significant backlog because all the fill rate for China was so low. That is the reason why the China sales in 2023 and 2024 was so high. And that is also the reason now that around this point in time where we have eaten significantly into that backlog, we say that backlog is being normalized. And that also means that we believe that the sales to China will be a more normalized percentage. | ๋ก์ ๋ค์ผ ์์งํ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ์ค๊ตญ์ ๋ํ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ๊ด์ ์ ์ง๋๋ฒ ๋ ผ์ ๋์ ๋น๊ตํด์ ํฌ๊ฒ ๋ฌ๋ผ์ง์ง ์์์ต๋๋ค. ์ง๋๋ฒ์ ๋ง์๋๋ ธ๋ฏ์ด, ์ค๊ตญ ๊ด๋ จ ํต์ฌ ๋ํฅ์ 2023๋ ๊ณผ 2024๋ ์ ์ค๊ตญ์ด ๋งค์ฐ ๊ฐ์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ธ ์ด์ ์ ๊ด๋ จ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ์๋ ๊ฐ ์ค๊ตญ์ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ ์ถฉ์กฑ๋ฅ ์ด ๋งค์ฐ ๋ฎ์๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ์๋นํ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ์์ฃผ์๊ณ ๊ฐ ์์ฌ์๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ด 2023๋ ๊ณผ 2024๋ ์ค๊ตญ ๋งค์ถ์ด ๋์๋ ์ด์ ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ํ ํ ์์ ์์ ๊ทธ ์์ฃผ์๊ณ ๋ฅผ ์๋น ๋ถ๋ถ ์์งํ๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์, ์์ฃผ์๊ณ ๊ฐ ์ ์ํ๋์๋ค๊ณ ๋ง์๋๋ฆด ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ๊ณง ์ค๊ตญํฅ ๋งค์ถ์ด ๋ณด๋ค ์ ์ํ๋ ๋น์จ๋ก ๋์๊ฐ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ์์ํ๋ ์ด์ ์ด๊ธฐ๋ ํฉ๋๋ค. |
And as we said, as we said we think that is a low 20% number that China will represent in 2025 in our total sales numbers. But that is what is going on. The order intake that we received from China in the fourth quarter I would call is healthy. But it's not, an order intake that is in any way dramatic or skewed or whatever. That's not the case. It is, again, a relatively normal order intake for China. And therefore, I think the expectation that we articulated last time China to be a more normalized percentage of our sales. I think that's what you will see in 2025 and frankly, beyond. Tammy Qiu Thank you. Roger Dassen You're welcome. Operator Thank you. | ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๋๋ก, 2025๋
์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์ ์ฒด ๋งค์ถ์์ ์ค๊ตญ์ด ์ฐจ์งํ๋ ๋น์ค์ 20% ์ด๋ฐ๋๊ฐ ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ์ํฉ์ ์ด๋ฌํฉ๋๋ค. 4๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ค๊ตญ์ผ๋ก๋ถํฐ ๋ฐ์ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ๋์ ์ ๊ฐ ๋ณด๊ธฐ์ ๊ฑด์ ํ ์์ค์
๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ๊ทธ๋ ๋ค๊ณ ํด์ ๊ทน์ ์ผ๋ก ๋๊ฑฐ๋ ์๊ณก๋์ด ์์ง๋ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฐ ๊ฒ์ ์ ํ ์๋๋๋ค. ๋ค์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ์ค๊ตญ์ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ๋์ ๋น๊ต์ ์ ์์ ์ธ ์์ค์
๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ด์ ์ ์ธ๊ธํ๋ ๋๋ก, ์ค๊ตญ ๋งค์ถ์ด ๋ณด๋ค ์ ์ํ๋ ๋น์ค์ ์ฐจ์งํ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๋ ์ ๋ง์ด 2025๋
, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ทธ ์ดํ์๋ ์คํ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด์
๋๋ค. ํ๋ฏธ ํ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ก์ ๋ค์ผ ์ฒ๋ง์์. ์งํ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. |
Your next question comes from the line of Sara Russo from Bernstein. Please go ahead. Sara Russo Thank you very much for taking my questions. So we've had quite a few conversations around your decision to phase out bookings information, and as we understand it, only provide a backlog you annually. Can you talk us through the decision to do that? And I guess what are you expecting to be the reaction from investors? And is this a response to the increased focus you've been seeing on bookings that seems to have been taking place over the last 12 months to 18 months? Roger Dassen I think we explained it in the video. | ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ Bernstein์ Sara Russo ๋๊ป์ ํ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. Sara Russo๋, ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค. Sara Russo ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋ต๋ณํด ์ฃผ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฃผ๋ฌธ ์ ๋ณด ๊ณต๊ฐ๋ฅผ ๋จ๊ณ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ค๋จํ๊ณ ๋ฐฑ๋ก๊ทธ๋ ์ฐ๊ฐ ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก๋ง ์ ๊ณตํ๊ธฐ๋ก ํ ๊ฒฐ์ ์ ๋ํด ์ฌ๋ฌ ์ฐจ๋ก ๋ ผ์๊ฐ ์์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ๊ฒฐ์ ์ ํ๊ฒ ๋ ๋ฐฐ๊ฒฝ์ ๋ํด ์ค๋ช ํด ์ฃผ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๊น? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ํฌ์์๋ค์ ๋ฐ์์ ์ด๋จ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ์๋์? ์ด๋ ์ง๋ 12-18๊ฐ์ ๋์ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ์ ๋ํ ๊ด์ฌ์ด ๋์์ง ๊ฒ์ ๋ํ ๋์์ธ๊ฐ์? Roger Dassen ์์์์ ์ค๋ช ๋๋ฆฐ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. |
And just to recap where we are, the way we come up with our annual guidance is really based on the review process that we have with our customers. We have ongoing dialogues with our customers. And based on that, that gives us the insight into their business and that gives us the basis to then articulate at the start of the year what we think the total sales level for the year is going to be. As you've seen in previous quarters and as we have highlighted multiple times, order intake can be very lumpy. And that is because the total size of the orders per customers are pretty significant given the tool prices for High NA tools, for Low NA tools, which, are pretty substantive. | ๋น์ฌ์ ์ฐ๊ฐ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค ์ฐ์ถ ๋ฐฉ์์ ๋ค์ ํ๋ฒ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ์ด๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ค๊ณผ์ ๊ฒํ ํ๋ก์ธ์ค๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ์ผ๋ก ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ค๊ณผ ์ง์์ ์ธ ๋ํ๋ฅผ ๋๋๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ฅผ ํตํด ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ค์ ์ฌ์ ์ ๋ํ ์ธ์ฌ์ดํธ๋ฅผ ์ป๊ณ , ์ด๊ฒ์ด ์ฐ์ด์ ์ฐ๊ฐ ์ด ๋งค์ถ ์์ค์ ์ ๋งํ๋ ๊ทผ๊ฑฐ๊ฐ ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ์ด์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ค์์ ๋ณด์ จ๊ณ ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ฌ๋ฌ ์ฐจ๋ก ๊ฐ์กฐํ๋ฏ์ด, ์ฃผ๋ฌธ ์ ์๋ ๋งค์ฐ ๋ถ๊ท์นํ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ High NA ์ฅ๋น์ Low NA ์ฅ๋น์ ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ์ด ์๋นํ ๋๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์, ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ณ ์ด ์ฃผ๋ฌธ ๊ท๋ชจ๊ฐ ๋งค์ฐ ํฌ๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. |
If customers take a number of tools, which they typically do, you get to very, very high numbers. And that means that if you have a few large customers that place an order in one quarter, they typically wouldn't do it in one quarter and then get another mass order intake in the quarter thereafter. So as a result of that, you see sometimes very high order intake in one quarter and then, lower order intake in other quarters that does not necessarily reflect the business momentum that we enjoy. And that's why we think that the market is better off with us having a robust discussion and robustly underpinned guidance that we provide at the beginning of the year. | ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ค์ด ๋ณดํต ๊ทธ๋ ๋ฏ์ด ์ฌ๋ฌ ์ฅ๋น๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ๋งคํ๊ฒ ๋๋ฉด, ์ฃผ๋ฌธ ๊ธ์ก์ด ๋งค์ฐ ํฐ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ๋ฌํ๊ฒ ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ๋ํ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ ๋ช ๊ณณ์ด ํ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๋๊ท๋ชจ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ์ ํ๊ฒ ๋๋ฉด, ํต์์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ทธ ๋ค์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๋๋ค์ ๋๊ท๋ชจ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ์ ํ์ง๋ ์๋๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ์๋ฏธํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ก, ์ด๋ค ๋ถ๊ธฐ์๋ ๋งค์ฐ ๋์ ์์ฃผ๋์ ๊ธฐ๋กํ๊ณ , ๋ค๋ฅธ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์๋ ์๋์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ฎ์ ์์ฃผ๋์ ๋ณด์ด๊ฒ ๋๋๋ฐ, ์ด๊ฒ์ด ๋ฐ๋์ ๋น์ฌ์ ์ค์ ์ฌ์ ๋ชจ๋ฉํ ์ ์ ํํ ๋ฐ์ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ์๋๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ์ด์ ๋ก, ๋น์ฌ๋ ์ฐ์ด์ ์ฒ ์ ํ ๋ถ์์ ๋ฐํ์ผ๋ก ํ ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ฅผ ์ ๊ณตํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์์ฅ์ ๋ ๋์์ด ๋ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ํ๋จํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
We think that is more meaningful than these swings in the order pattern that you've seen before. If you look at the past quarters, you do see that, the market looks at these orders and sometimes the reactions, both in terms of positive and in terms of negative order intake, the reactions can be quite significant. And that has been the reason that we, that we say we have been telling the market that order intake is lumpy. We have been saying that it doesn't necessarily reflect the business momentum accurately, but we do see very significant market response to it. | ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ค์ ์ดํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ์์ฅ์ด ์ด๋ฌํ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ๋์ ๋ฐ๋ผ๋ณด๋ ๋ฐฉ์๊ณผ ๊ทธ์ ๋ํ ๋ฐ์์ด, ๊ธ์ ์ ์ธ ์ธก๋ฉด๊ณผ ๋ถ์ ์ ์ธ ์ธก๋ฉด ๋ชจ๋์์ ์๋นํ ํฐ ํญ์ผ๋ก ๋ํ๋ ์ ์๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ์ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ด ๋ฐ๋ก ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ ์ ์๊ฐ ๋ถ๊ท์นํ๋ค๊ณ ์์ฅ์ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ์ค๋ช ํด ์จ ์ด์ ์ ๋๋ค. ์ฃผ๋ฌธ ์ ์๊ฐ ๋ฐ๋์ ๋น์ฆ๋์ค ๋ชจ๋ฉํ ์ ์ ํํ๊ฒ ๋ฐ์ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ์๋์ง๋ง, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ด์ ๋ํ ์์ฅ์ ๋งค์ฐ ํฐ ๋ฐ์์ ๋ชฉ๊ฒฉํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ ํจํด์ ๋ณ๋์ฑ๋ณด๋ค๋ ์์ ์ธ๊ธํ ์์๋ค์ด ๋์ฑ ์๋ฏธ ์๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. |
And as a result of that, we have reached a conclusion that maybe the market is better off with what I just gave you, including an annual update of the backlog. So from that regard we came to the conclusion that less is actually more. This is something that we discussed with quite a few of you when we had the investor day. We discussed this quite extensively with many investors and the conversations that we had there gave the confidence to Christophe, myself and the full team that the decision that we just took is the right decision for the company, for its stakeholders. Sara Russo Great. Really appreciate the additional context there. And then maybe just a quick follow up. | ๊ทธ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ, ์ ํฌ๋ ์ ๊ฐ ๋ฐฉ๊ธ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๊ฒ์ฒ๋ผ ์ฐ๊ฐ ์์ฃผ์๊ณ ์
๋ฐ์ดํธ๋ฅผ ํฌํจํ๋ ํ์ฌ์ ๋ฐฉ์์ด ์์ฅ์ ๋ ์ ํฉํ๋ค๋ ๊ฒฐ๋ก ์ ๋๋ฌํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฐ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ์ ํฌ๋ '์ ์ ๊ฒ์ด ๋ ๋ง์ ๊ฒ'์ด๋ผ๋ ๊ฒฐ๋ก ์ ๋ด๋ ธ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ํฌ์์์ ๋ ์์ ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ๋ค๊ณผ ๋
ผ์ํ๋ ์ฌํญ์ด๋ฉฐ, ๋ง์ ํฌ์์๋ค๊ณผ ์ฌ๋ ์๊ฒ ๋
ผ์๋ฅผ ์งํํ์ต๋๋ค. ๋น์ ๋๋ ๋ํ๋ฅผ ํตํด ํฌ๋ฆฌ์คํ ํ์ ์ ๋ฅผ ํฌํจํ ์ ์ฒด ํ์ ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ๋ฐฉ๊ธ ๋ด๋ฆฐ ๊ฒฐ์ ์ด ํ์ฌ์ ์ดํด๊ด๊ณ์๋ค์ ์ํ ์ฌ๋ฐ๋ฅธ ๊ฒฐ์ ์ด๋ผ๋ ํ์ ์ ๊ฐ๊ฒ ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ ๋ฃจ์ ์ข์ต๋๋ค. ์ถ๊ฐ์ ์ธ ๋งฅ๋ฝ ์ค๋ช ๊ฐ์ฌ๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์งง์ ํ์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. |
One of the pieces of guidance that you were talking about in the last set of results was, you were probably at the bottom end for EUV bookings to see the low end of guidance. And since you've had a very strong quarter of bookings now, โฌ3 billion of EUV, are you sort of more confident in the midpoint of guidance or are you starting to see 2026 EUV orders come through as well, given the typical 18 month lead times? Roger Dassen Yes, what we said last time is indeed that we needed about โฌ2 billion of EUV orders to get, to get covered for EUV on the midpoint of 2025. So with the โฌ3 billion that we have in there, we've reached that point. | ์ง๋ ์ค์ ๋ฐํ์์ ๋ง์ํ์
จ๋ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค ์ค ํ๋๋ EUV ์์ฃผ๊ฐ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค ํ๋จ์ ๋จธ๋ฌผ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๋ ์ ๋ง์ด์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ 30์ต ์ ๋ก๋ผ๋ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ EUV ์์ฃผ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์
จ๋๋ฐ์, ์ด์ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค ์ค๊ฐ ์ง์ ์ ๋ํด ๋ ์์ ๊ฐ์ ๊ฐ์ง๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ง, ์๋๋ฉด ํต์์ ์ธ 18๊ฐ์์ ๋ฆฌ๋ํ์์ ๊ณ ๋ คํ ๋ 2026๋
EUV ์ฃผ๋ฌธ๋ ๋ค์ด์ค๊ธฐ ์์ํ๋์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. Roger Dassen ๋ค, ์ง๋๋ฒ์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๋๋ก 2025๋ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค ์ค๊ฐ ์ง์ ์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ๊ธฐ ์ํด์๋ ์ฝ 20์ต ์ ๋ก์ EUV ์ฃผ๋ฌธ์ด ํ์ํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฒ์ 30์ต ์ ๋ก์ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ์ ํ๋ณดํ๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์, ์ด์ ๊ทธ ๋ชฉํ์น์ ๋๋ฌํ๋ค๊ณ ํ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
So it's clear that we're either starting to build on, on 2026, or we're starting to build, into the higher end of the guidance. But that really is, the timing -- is really that timing question that is dependent on it. But you are right, we said we need to get to โฌ2 billion order intake for EUV and the fact that we have been recording three gives us, I would say, good confidence on the order, at least for the EUV part on the midpoint. On DEEP UV we're not yet fully covered, but I think the coverage there is quite high for the midpoint of the guidance as well. | 2026๋
์ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ์ผ๋ก ์ฑ์ฅ์ ์์ํ๊ฑฐ๋, ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค์ ์๋จ์ ํฅํด ๋์๊ฐ๊ณ ์๋ค๋ ์ ์ ๋ถ๋ช
ํฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ด๋ ์ค์ ๋ก ํ์ด๋ฐ์ ๋ฌ๋ ค์๋ ๋ฌธ์ ์
๋๋ค. ๋ง์ํ์ ๋๋ก, EUV ์ฃผ๋ฌธ ์ ์์ก์ด 20์ต ์ ๋ก์ ๋๋ฌํด์ผ ํ๋ค๊ณ ์ธ๊ธํ๋๋ฐ, ํ์ฌ 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ฐ์ ์ด๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ๊ณ ์๋ค๋ ์ฌ์ค์ ์ ์ด๋ EUV ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค ์ค๊ฐ๊ฐ ๋ฌ์ฑ์ ๋ํ ์๋นํ ์์ ๊ฐ์ ์ฃผ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. DEEP UV์ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ ์์ง ์์ ํ ์ปค๋ฒํ์ง๋ ๋ชปํ์ง๋ง, ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค ์ค๊ฐ๊ฐ ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก ๋ณด๋ฉด ๋ฌ์ฑ๋ฅ ์ด ์๋นํ ๋์ ์์ค์
๋๋ค. Note: I preserved key financial terms like "EUV", "DEEP UV", "๊ฐ์ด๋์ค"(guidance) while maintaining a professional, clear tone that would be appropriate for Korean investors and financial professionals. The translation captures both the technical content and the nuanced confidence expressed in the original statement. |
But as also Christophe mentioned, of course there are always timing issues and customers always have the ability during a year to either pull in or push out from the last quarter. Sara Russo Great, thank you very much. Roger Dassen Welcome. Operator Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Francois Bouvignies from UBS. Please go ahead. Francois-Xavier Bouvignies Thank you very much. My first question is you see a strong demand for EUV Logic driven by AI. Christophe, you mentioned in your video, presumably mainly from one large customer. How do you think about the capacity of 2-nano given it's going to be potentially a very significant node? | Christophe๊ฐ ์ธ๊ธํ๋ฏ์ด, ์ฐ์ค์๋ ํญ์ ํ์ด๋ฐ ์ด์๊ฐ ์๊ณ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ ๋ง์ง๋ง ๋ถ๊ธฐ์์ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ์ ์๋น๊ธฐ๊ฑฐ๋ ๋ฏธ๋ฃฐ ์ ์๋ ์ ์ฐ์ฑ์ ๊ฐ์ง๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. Sara Russo ๋ค, ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. Roger Dassen ํ์ํฉ๋๋ค. ์งํ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ UBS์ Francois Bouvignies ๋๊ป์ ํ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์ญ์์ค. Francois-Xavier Bouvignies ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์ ์ฒซ ๋ฒ์งธ ์ง๋ฌธ์ AI ์ฃผ๋๋ก EUV ๋ก์ง์ ๋ํ ๊ฐํ ์์๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ ๊ณ์ ๋ค๋ ์ ์ ๋๋ค. Christophe๊ป์ ์์์์ ์ธ๊ธํ์ จ๋ฏ์ด, ์ด๋ ์ฃผ๋ก ํ ๋ํ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ์์ ๋น๋กฏ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด์ ๋๋ค. ์ ์ฌ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋งค์ฐ ์ค์ํ ๋ ธ๋๊ฐ ๋ 2๋๋ ธ ๊ณต์ ์ ์์ฐ๋ฅ๋ ฅ์ ๋ํด ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์ ๋งํ์๋์ง์? |
Could we see a front-loaded capacity build in a way that 2025 will be a big build to prepare for 2026? So in other words, I mean, how do you think about phasing of this strong node as first year could be bigger and then you add on a bit less in 2027? Or is it going to be really a granular buildup? Roger Dassen Well, I think, Francois we don't have the details of our customer ramp fully. I think we don't see any strange pattern in the ramps. I think we shared in the past, the ramp is definitely starting in 2025, will extend into 2026, most probably into 2027, in fact, with potentially a mix of 2-nanometer and some node. That's what we see. So no normal pattern. | 2025๋
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์ ์ค๋นํ๊ธฐ ์ํ ๋๊ท๋ชจ ์์ฐ๋ฅ๋ ฅ ํ์ถฉ์ด ์ ์ ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ด๋ฃจ์ด์ง ์ ์์๊น์? ๋ค์ ๋งํด์, ์ฒซ ํด์ธ 2025๋
์ ํฐ ๊ท๋ชจ๋ก ํ์ถฉํ๊ณ 2027๋
์๋ ์๋์ ์ผ๋ก ์ ์ ๊ท๋ชจ๋ฅผ ์ถ๊ฐํ๋ ๋ฐฉ์์ผ๋ก ์งํ๋ ์ง, ์๋๋ฉด ์ ์ง์ ์ธ ์ฆ์ค์ด ๋ ์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ก์ ๋ค์ผ: ๊ธ์์, ํ๋์์ ๋, ์ ํฌ๋ ์์ง ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ์ ์์ธํ ์ฆ์ค ๊ณํ์ ์์ ํ ํ์ ํ์ง ๋ชปํ์ต๋๋ค. ํน๋ณํ ์ด๋ก์ ์ธ ์ฆ์ค ํจํด์ ๋ณด์ด์ง ์๋ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด์ ์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๋๋ก, ์ฆ์ค์ 2025๋ ์ ์์๋์ด 2026๋ ๊น์ง ์ด์ด์ง๊ณ , ์๋ง๋ 2027๋ ๊น์ง ๊ณ์๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด์ ๋๋ค. 2๋๋ ธ๋ฏธํฐ์ ์ผ๋ถ ๋ค๋ฅธ ๋ ธ๋๊ฐ ํผํฉ๋ ํํ๊ฐ ๋ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ์ง๊ธ์ผ๋ก์๋ ์ ์์ ์ธ ํจํด์ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ํ ์ ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
The other thing we mentioned in our commentary is we see that maybe there is an opportunity to ramp a bit faster if the demand remains strong. So I think that's another discussion we're having with the advanced logic customer. But I think we don't see any kind of pattern that you described. Christophe Fouquet And Francois, this was actually also confirmed by CCVA on the call that they had. So he made specific comments on the ramp profile of N2 [ph]. So you might want to refer to that as well. Roger Dassen Yes, what Christophe just said. Francois-Xavier Bouvignies Thank you. I was wondering what on the litho maybe given the lead times, but I mean that's pretty fair. Thank you for that. | ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๋ฐํ์์ ์ธ๊ธํ๋ ๋ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์ ์ ์์๊ฐ ๊ฐ์ธ๋ฅผ ์ ์งํ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ ์์ฐ๋์ ์ข ๋ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒ ๋๋ฆด ์ ์๋ ๊ธฐํ๊ฐ ์์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด์ธ๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ด ์ฒจ๋จ ๋ก์ง ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ์ ํ์ฌ ๋
ผ์ ์ค์ธ ๋ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์ฌ์์ด๋ผ๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ๊ทํ๊ป์ ๋ง์ํ์ ๊ทธ๋ฐ ํจํด์ ๋ณด์ด์ง ์๋๋ค๊ณ ๋ด
๋๋ค. Christophe Fouquet ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ Francois๋, ์ด๋ CCVA๊ฐ ์์ ๋ค์ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค ์ฝ์์๋ ํ์ธํ ๋ด์ฉ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ N2 [ph]์ ๋จํ ํ๋กํ์ผ์ ๋ํด ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ์ธ๊ธ์ ํ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ ๋ด์ฉ๋ ์ฐธ๊ณ ํ์๋ฉด ์ข์ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. Roger Dassen ๋ค, Christophe๊ฐ ๋ฐฉ๊ธ ๋ง์ํ์ ๊ทธ๋๋ก์ ๋๋ค. Francois-Xavier Bouvignies ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ฆฌ์๊ทธ๋ํผ ์ฅ๋น์ ๋ฆฌ๋ํ์์ ๊ณ ๋ คํ์ ๋ ์ด๋จ์ง ๊ถ๊ธํ๋๋ฐ, ์ถฉ๋ถํ ์ดํด๊ฐ ๋์ต๋๋ค. ์ค๋ช ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. |
On the second question is, I mean AI is very strong although I mean the market might have some doubts in the recent days. I'm not going to ask you the impact on DeepSeek on the demand for AI but you describe some upside on the AI potential if we get the capacity in the second half or, if the demand is still remain strong. But similarly, I mean if you look at the iPhone, which, or Apple or iPhone, which supposedly is a very significant part of your demand on the leading edge nodes, do you think it's, AI is big enough to offset some downside in the -- if we see downside on the iPhone, at least in the short term because in the long term you describe at your CMD that it's neutralizing. | ๋ ๋ฒ์งธ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋ํด์๋, AI๊ฐ ์ต๊ทผ ์์ฅ์์ ์ผ๋ถ ์๊ตฌ์ฌ์ด ์์์์๋ ๋ถ๊ตฌํ๊ณ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ฐ์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. DeepSeek๊ฐ AI ์์์ ๋ฏธ์น๋ ์ํฅ์ ๋ํด์๋ ์ง๋ฌธํ์ง ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค๋ง, ํ๋ฐ๊ธฐ์ ์์ฐ๋ฅ๋ ฅ์ด ํ๋ณด๋๊ฑฐ๋ ์์๊ฐ ๊ณ์ ๊ฐ์ธ๋ฅผ ์ ์งํ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ AI ๊ด๋ จ ์์น ์ ์ฌ๋ ฅ์ ๋ํด ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์ จ์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ด์ ์ ์ฌํ๊ฒ, ์ต์ฒจ๋จ ๊ณต์ ์์ ์๋นํ ํฐ ๋น์ค์ ์ฐจ์งํ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์๋ ค์ง ์์ดํฐ, ์ฆ ์ ํ์ ์์๋ฅผ ์ดํด๋ณด๋ฉด, AI๊ฐ ์์ดํฐ ์์์ ํ๋ฝ์ธ๋ฅผ ์์ํ ๋งํผ ์ถฉ๋ถํ ํฐ์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. ์ ์ด๋ ๋จ๊ธฐ์ ์ผ๋ก๋ ๋ง์ ๋๋ค. ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ ์ผ๋ก๋ CMD(Capital Markets Day)์์ ๋ง์ํ์ ๊ฒ์ฒ๋ผ ์๋ก ์์๋๋ค๊ณ ํ์ จ์ต๋๋ค. |
But I was more wondering in the short term. So 2025, 2026, the dynamic of high AI and slower smartphones. Christophe Fouquet Well, I think in the short term, I think that we tried to explain also with the upside. So I think that the demand is strong to really drive, I would say, the utilization of whatever capacity will be built initially on advanced logic. I think, by the way, this will not be fully or so most dedicated to AI. So I think, yes, the rest of the market is not doing spectacular, but it's still there. I think that I will also refer to the TSMC call, where they were pointing also for the first time to some recovery on mobile. So I think nothing is spectacular there. | ํ์ง๋ง ์ ๋ ๋จ๊ธฐ์ ์ธ ๊ด์ , ์ฆ 2025๋
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์ ๋ํด ๋ ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. AI๋ ๋์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๋ ๋ฐ๋ฉด ์ค๋งํธํฐ์ ๋๋ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ณด์ด๋ ์ด๋ฌํ ์ญํ ๊ด๊ณ์ ๋ํด์์. Christophe Fouquet ๋ค, ๋จ๊ธฐ์ ์ผ๋ก๋ ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์๋ฐฉ ๊ฐ๋ฅ์ฑ์ ์ค๋ช ํ๋ฉด์ ์ธ๊ธํ๋ฏ์ด, ์ฒจ๋จ ๋ก์ง ๋ฐ๋์ฒด์ ๋ํด ์ด๊ธฐ์ ๊ตฌ์ถ๋๋ ๋ชจ๋ ์์ฐ๋ฅ๋ ฅ์ ๊ฐ๋๋ฅ ์ ๊ฒฌ์ธํ ๋งํผ ์์๊ฐ ๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ด๋ฌํ ์์ฐ๋ฅ๋ ฅ์ด ์ ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋๋ ๋๋ถ๋ถ AI์๋ง dedicated๋์ง๋ ์์ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ฌํ ์์ฅ์ด ํน๋ณํ ์ข์ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์์ง๋ ์์ง๋ง, ๊ทธ๋๋ ์ฌ์ ํ ์กด์ฌ๊ฐ์ ์ ์งํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. TSMC์ ์ค์ ๋ฐํ๋ฅผ ์ฐธ๊ณ ํ์๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๋ค๋ ์ฒ์์ผ๋ก ๋ชจ๋ฐ์ผ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ํ๋ณต ์กฐ์ง์ ์ธ๊ธํ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ํน๋ณํ ๋์ ๋๋ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ ์๋ค๊ณ ํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
But as you go through the ramp and you know that the ramp will build up capacity over time, so you don't get the peak capacity before quite a bit. I think -- we think this part is solid at this point of time. So we see more upside than risk, at least with all the elements we have at hand. Francois-Xavier Bouvignies Great, thank you very much. Christophe Fouquet You're welcome. Operator Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Krish Sankar from TDCowen. Please go ahead. | ๋จํ์
๊ณผ์ ์ ๊ฑฐ์น๋ฉด์ ์๊ฐ์ด ์ง๋ ์๋ก ์์ฐ๋ฅ๋ ฅ์ด ์ ์ง์ ์ผ๋ก ํ๋๋ ๊ฒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ต๋ ์์ฐ๋ฅ๋ ฅ์ ๋๋ฌํ๊ธฐ๊น์ง๋ ์๋นํ ์๊ฐ์ด ์์๋ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ํ ์์ ์์ ์ด ๋ถ๋ถ์ ์์ ์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ํ๋จํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ํ์ฌ ํ์ธ ๊ฐ๋ฅํ ๋ชจ๋ ์์๋ค์ ๊ณ ๋ คํ์ ๋, ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ๋ณด๋ค๋ ์์น ๊ฐ๋ฅ์ฑ์ด ๋ ํฌ๋ค๊ณ ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ๋์์-์๋น์ ๋ถ๋น๋์์ค ๋๋จํ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ํฌ๋ฆฌ์คํ ํ ํธ์ผ ์ฒ๋ง์์. ์งํ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ TD์ฝ์ฌ์ ํฌ๋ฆฌ์ฌ ์ฐ์นด๋ฅด ๋๊ป์ ํด์ฃผ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค. |
Krish Sankar Thanks for taking my question, Christophe or Roger, the first question on the decline in China sales from 47% in September to 27% in December, is that all a function of digestion by Chinese customers? Since I'm assuming that the incremental export control rules did not impact you last quarter. So I'm curious, when do you expect this digestion to probably like meet a steady state or bottom out? Roger Dassen Yes. I think, Krish, we were already signaling in Q3, I think that this trend might happen. And I repeat what I just said on China, I think this is -- the main reason why we're looking at a normalized percentage for China is the reason that I gave before. | Krish Sankar ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋ต๋ณํด ์ฃผ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. Christophe๋ ๋๋ Roger๋, ์ค๊ตญ ๋งค์ถ์ด 9์์ 47%์์ 12์์ 27%๋ก ๊ฐ์ํ ๊ฒ์ ๋ํด ์ฒซ ๋ฒ์งธ ์ง๋ฌธ ๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์ ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ค๊ตญ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ ์ํ ๊ณผ์ ๋๋ฌธ์ธ๊ฐ์? ์ง๋ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์๋ ์ถ๊ฐ๋ ์์ถ ํต์ ๊ท์ ์ด ์ํฅ์ ๋ฏธ์น์ง ์์์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์ถ์ ๋๋๋ฐ์. ์ด๋ฌํ ์ํ ๊ณผ์ ์ด ์ธ์ ์ฏค ์์ ์ํ์ ๋๋ฌํ๊ฑฐ๋ ์ ์ ์ ์ฐ์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ์๋์? Roger Dassen ๋ค, Krish๋, ์ ํฌ๋ ์ด๋ฏธ 3๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ด๋ฌํ ์ถ์ธ๊ฐ ๋ํ๋ ์ ์๋ค๊ณ ์์ฌํ ๋ฐ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ ๊ฐ ์์ ์ค๊ตญ์ ๋ํด ์ธ๊ธํ๋ ๋ด์ฉ์ ๋ค์ ํ ๋ฒ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ์๋ฉด, ์ค๊ตญ ๋น์ค์ด ์ ์ํ๋ ์์ค์ ๋ณด์ด๋ ์ฃผ๋ ์ด์ ๋ ์ ๊ฐ ์ด์ ์ ์ค๋ช ๋๋ฆฐ ๊ทธ ์ด์ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. |
So yes, export controls are a part of that, but the lion's share of the reason for the normalization of the demand is what I have said earlier, which is that the eating into the backlog that was built up all the way through 2022 is now coming to an end. And now we're really seeing a normalized pattern. Krish Sankar Got it, Got it. Another question on Memory. You kind of said that this year Logic would be up, but memory kind of flattish. On the Memory front you're more exposed to DRAM than NAND, and you keep hearing about HBM capacity increase. But it seems like you're not seeing better DRAM dynamics this year. | ๋ค, ์์ถ ํต์ ๋ ๊ทธ ์ค ํ๋์ด๊ธด ํ์ง๋ง, ์์ ์ ์ํ์ ์ฃผ๋ ์ด์ ๋ ์ ๊ฐ ์์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๋๋ก 2022๋
๊น์ง ์์๋ ๋ฐฑ๋ก๊ทธ๊ฐ ์์ง๋์ด ๊ฐ๊ณ ์๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์
๋๋ค. ์ด์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ ๋ง ์ ์ํ๋ ํจํด์ ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํฌ๋ฆฌ์ฌ ์ฐ์นด๋ฅด ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค, ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฉ๋ชจ๋ฆฌ์ ๊ดํด ๋ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์ง๋ฌธ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌํด ๋ก์ง ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ์ฑ์ฅํ์ง๋ง ๋ฉ๋ชจ๋ฆฌ๋ ๋์ฒด๋ก ํก๋ณดํ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ๋ง์ํ์ จ๋๋ฐ์. ๋ฉ๋ชจ๋ฆฌ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์๋ NAND๋ณด๋ค DRAM ๋น์ค์ด ๋ ํฌ๊ณ , HBM ์์ฐ๋ฅ๋ ฅ ์ฆ๊ฐ์ ๋ํ ์ด์ผ๊ธฐ๊ฐ ๊ณ์ ๋์ค๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ฌํด DRAM ์์ฅ ๋ํฅ์ด ๋ ๋์์ง ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก๋ ๋ณด์์ง ์๋ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. Note: The translation maintains the technical terms (๋ฐฑ๋ก๊ทธ/backlog, DRAM, NAND, HBM) while providing natural Korean phrasing. The informal but professional tone of the original conversation is preserved through appropriate Korean honorifics and business language. |
Can you just tell us a little bit about what you're seeing in the Memory ecosystem? Christophe Fouquet Well, I think you almost summarize it in your question. I think that high-bandwidth memory is driving today, I would say, also an aggressive capacity addition, at least for some of the customer. I think on the normal DRAM, I would say, my comment is similar to the one on mobile photology before. I think there also nothing spectacular, but there is some recovery, which also called for more capacity. So that's why we still ran pretty strong in 2025. Krish Sankar Thanks. Operator Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Chris Caso from Wolfe Research. Please go ahead. | ๋ฉ๋ชจ๋ฆฌ ์ํ๊ณ์์ ํ์ฌ ์ด๋ค ๋ํฅ์ด ๋ณด์ด๋์ง ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๊น? Christophe Fouquet ์ง๋ฌธํ์ ๋ด์ฉ์ ๊ฑฐ์ ๋ค ์์ฝ์ด ๋์ด์๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ HBM(๊ณ ๋์ญํญ ๋ฉ๋ชจ๋ฆฌ)์ด ์ฃผ๋ํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ ์ด๋ ์ผ๋ถ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ค์ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์ ์ธ ์์ฐ๋ฅ๋ ฅ ํ๋๋ฅผ ์ด๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ผ๋ฐ DRAM์ ๋ํด์๋, ์์ ๋ชจ๋ฐ์ผ ํฌํ ๋ฆฌ์๊ทธ๋ํผ์ ๋ํด ์ธ๊ธํ๋ ๊ฒ๊ณผ ๋น์ทํ ์๊ฒฌ์ ๋๋ค. ํน๋ณํ ๋์ ๋๋ ๊ฒ์ ์์ง๋ง, ์ด๋ ์ ๋ ํ๋ณต์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์์ด ์ถ๊ฐ ์์ฐ๋ฅ๋ ฅ์ด ํ์ํ ์ํฉ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ 2025๋ ์๋ ์ฌ์ ํ ๊ฐ์ธ๋ฅผ ์ ์งํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. Krish Sankar ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์งํ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ Wolfe Research์ Chris Caso๋๊ป์ ํ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค. |
Chris Caso Yes, thank you. Good morning. I guess and as I listen to you this morning, it sounds like a situation perhaps similar to how you started out last year and correct me if I'm wrong with some pretty good backlog coverage to start the year. And last year there were some changes that backlog middle year. So I understand your prudence I guess, one, is that accurate depiction of what we're seeing here. And then secondly, what are the sort of plausible things that we should be watching for and concerned about that would justify the back the lower end of guidance? Is it, export control restrictions? Is it China? Is there perhaps some of the concerns about AI? | ๋ค, ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์๋
ํ์ธ์. ์ ๊ฐ ์ค๋ ์์นจ ๋ง์์ ๋ค์ด๋ณด๋, ์๋ ์ด์ ๋น์ทํ ์ํฉ์ฒ๋ผ ๋ค๋ฆฌ๋๋ฐ์. ์ ๊ฐ ๋ง๊ฒ ์ดํดํ๋ค๋ฉด, ์ฌํด๋ ์๋นํ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ๋ฐฑ๋ก๊ทธ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์ง๊ณ ์์ํ๋ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ์๋ ์๋ ์ฐ์ค์ ์ด ๋ฐฑ๋ก๊ทธ์ ์ผ๋ถ ๋ณ๋์ด ์์์ฃ . ๊ท์ฌ๊ฐ ์ ์คํ ์ ์ฅ์ ์ทจํ์๋ ๊ฒ์ ์ดํด๊ฐ ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ์ฐ์ , ์ ๊ฐ ์ด๋ฐ ์ํฉ์ ์ ํํ๊ฒ ํ์ ํ ๊ฒ์ด ๋ง๋์ง ์ฌ์ญค๋ณด๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ ๋ฒ์งธ๋ก, ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค ํ๋จ์ ์ ๋นํํ ์ ์๋ ์ ์ฌ์ ์ฐ๋ ค ์์ธ๋ค์ ๋ฌด์์ธ๊ฐ์? ์์ถ ํต์ ๊ท์ ์ธ๊ฐ์? ์ค๊ตญ ๊ด๋ จ ์ด์์ธ๊ฐ์? ์๋๋ฉด AI ๊ด๋ จ ์ฐ๋ ค ์ฌํญ์ด ์๋ ๊ฒ์ธ๊ฐ์? |
What are some of the scenarios which would sort of point you to the lower end? Roger Dassen Let me take the first part and then Christophe can look at the second part. I'm not entirely sure I follow your logic on that. We are today where we were a year ago. And also, I would say now that a year ago we gave a guidance that I think we pretty much nailed during the year. Right. So I think we delivered last year on exactly on the guidance that we provided in the year. The reason why I think the situation is also not comparable is because last year we started the year saying we think this year will be comparable to 2023. | ๋ก์ ๋ค์ผ์ ๋ต๋ณ: ์ฒซ ๋ฒ์งธ ๋ถ๋ถ์ ์ ๊ฐ ๋ต๋ณ ๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ๋ ๋ฒ์งธ ๋ถ๋ถ์ ํฌ๋ฆฌ์คํ ํ๊ฐ ๋ต๋ณํ๋๋ก ํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทํ์ ๋ ผ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์์ ํ ์ดํดํ์ง ๋ชปํ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ํ์ฌ 1๋ ์ ๊ณผ ๋์ผํ ์ํฉ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ํ, 1๋ ์ ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ ์ํ๋ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ฅผ ์ฐ์ค ์ ํํ๊ฒ ๋ฌ์ฑํ๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ง์ต๋๋ค. ์๋ ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ ์ํ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ฅผ ์ ํํ ์ดํํ๋ค๊ณ ๋ด ๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ์ํฉ์ด ์๋ ๊ณผ ๋น๊ตํ ์ ์๋ ์ด์ ๋, ์๋ ์ด์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ 2023๋ ๊ณผ ๋น์ทํ ์์ค์ด ๋ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ์์ํ๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. |
I think this year we started the year with a clear growth perspective at the midpoint somewhere around 15%. So I don't think the situation is similar. Yes, we have a strong, yes, we have a strong backlog. Yes we had a strong order intake in the last, but I think, Christophe discussed it on the call and he will provide the color and context. Now we see a clear path within that guidance. Maybe you can provide a follow up. Christophe Fouquet Yes. And I think on the low end, I think even Roger mentioned it already, I mean, we have seen last year, this was one of the highlight of Q3. We've seen major push out of some of the capacity for some of the customers. | ์ฌํด ์ด์๋ ์ค๊ฐ ์์ค์์ ์ฝ 15% ์ ๋์ ๋ช
ํํ ์ฑ์ฅ ์ ๋ง์ผ๋ก ์์ํ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ํ์ฌ ์ํฉ์ ์ด์ ๊ณผ๋ ๋ค๋ฅด๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ค, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ๋ฐฑ๋ก๊ทธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ ํ๊ณ ์๊ณ , ์ต๊ทผ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ ์ค์ ๋ ์ข์์ต๋๋ค๋ง, Christophe๊ฐ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค ์ฝ์์ ๋
ผ์ํ๊ณ ์ถ๊ฐ์ ์ธ ๋งฅ๋ฝ๊ณผ ์ค๋ช
์ ์ ๊ณตํ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ด ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค ๋ด์์ ๋ช
ํํ ๋ฐฉํฅ์ฑ์ ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ถ๊ฐ ์ค๋ช
์ ๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. Christophe Fouquet ๋ค, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ํํ์ ์ ๋ํด ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ์๋ฉด, Roger๋ ์ด๋ฏธ ์ธ๊ธํ๋ฏ์ด, ์๋ ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๋ชฉ๊ฒฉํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด 3๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ฃผ์ ํน์ง ์ค ํ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ์ผ๋ถ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ค์ ์์ฐ๋ฅ๋ ฅ ์ฆ์ค์ด ํฌ๊ฒ ์ง์ฐ๋๋ ๊ฒ์ ํ์ธํ์ต๋๋ค. |
I think through our guidance this year, we see that this risk is a lot lower in terms of volume. But I think Roger said it, that's always possible. So I think we are very transparent that we share with you the fact that if we look at the total dynamic that some of those pushout may not be completely excluded, that's what the final range. So I think that's not more than that, I would say. Geopolitics, we also mentioned that. There, it's even more difficult, of course, to quantify because we just had new export control being released. So there's no expectation of anything on our side, but this is also experience this call a bit for prudence on our side. | ์ฌํด ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ฅผ ํตํด ๋ณผ ๋, ๋ฌผ๋ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ์ด๋ฌํ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ๊ฐ ์๋นํ ๋ฎ์์ก๋ค๊ณ ๋ด ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง Roger๊ฐ ์ธ๊ธํ๋ฏ์ด, ๊ทธ๋ฐ ๊ฐ๋ฅ์ฑ์ ํญ์ ์กด์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ์ ์ฒด์ ์ธ ์ญํ ๊ด๊ณ๋ฅผ ๋ณผ ๋ ์ผ๋ถ ๋ฉํ ์ง์ฐ์ด ์์ ํ ๋ฐฐ์ ๋ ์๋ ์๋ค๋ ์ฌ์ค์ ํฌ๋ช ํ๊ฒ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๊ฒ์ด ์ต์ข ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค ๋ฒ์์ ๋ฐ์๋์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ ์ด์์ ์๋ฏธ๋ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ณด์๋ฉด ๋ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ์ง์ ํ์ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ๋ ์ธ๊ธํ๋๋ฐ, ์ด ๋ถ๋ถ์ ๋น์ฐํ ์์นํํ๊ธฐ๊ฐ ๋ ์ด๋ ต์ต๋๋ค. ์ต๊ทผ ์๋ก์ด ์์ถ ํต์ ์กฐ์น๊ฐ ๋ฐํ๋์๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ ์ธก์์ ํน๋ณํ ์์ํ๋ ๋ฐ๋ ์์ง๋ง, ์ด๋ฌํ ์ํฉ์ด ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ด๋ฒ ์ค์ ๋ฐํ์์ ๋ค์ ์ ์คํ ์ ์ฅ์ ์ทจํ๊ฒ ๋ ์ด์ ์ด๊ธฐ๋ ํฉ๋๋ค. |
So that's a bit what we try to reflect in the lower hand of the guidance, not more than that. Chris Caso Sure, very helpful context. Thank you. The inevitable, kind of follow on to that is, how that affects the view for 2026 and given the lead times and the customer forecast, imagine you have some degree of visibility now, although it's very early. At this point would you expect 2026 to be a growth year and what are the variables that you're thinking about with regard to 2026? Roger Dassen Yes, Chris, that's as much as we said. We are looking at 2026 as a potential growth year for ASML. That's how we look at it. But it is exactly as you said. | ๋ค, ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ด ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค ํ๋จ์ ๋ฐ์ํ๊ณ ์ ํ๋ ๋ถ๋ถ์ด๋ฉฐ, ๊ทธ ์ด์์ ์๋๋๋ค. Chris Caso ๋ค, ๋งค์ฐ ์ ์ฉํ ๋งฅ๋ฝ ์ค๋ช ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ์ ๋ฐ๋ฅธ ๋ถ๊ฐํผํ ํ์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ์ด๊ฒ์ด 2026๋ ์ ๋ง์ ์ด๋ค ์ํฅ์ ๋ฏธ์น๋์ง์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฆฌ๋ํ์๊ณผ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์ ๋ง์ ๊ณ ๋ คํ ๋, ํ์ฌ ์์ ์์ ์ด๋ ์ ๋์ ๊ฐ์์ฑ์ด ์์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์๊ฐ๋ฉ๋๋ค๋ง, ์์ง์ ๋งค์ฐ ์ด๋ฅธ ์์ ์ด์ฃ . ํ ์์ ์์ 2026๋ ์ด ์ฑ์ฅํ๋ ํด๊ฐ ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ์๋์ง, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 2026๋ ๊ณผ ๊ด๋ จํด์ ์ด๋ค ๋ณ์๋ค์ ๊ณ ๋ คํ๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. Roger Dassen ๋ค, Chris๋, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๊ฒ์ฒ๋ผ ASML์ 2026๋ ์ ์ ์ฌ์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ํด๋ก ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์๊ฐ์ ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ๋ง์ํ์ ๋๋ก์ ๋๋ค. |
It's way too early to provide any direction or magnitude on that. Chris Caso That's great. Thank you. Roger Dassen You're welcome. Operator Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Didier Scemama from Bank of America. Please go ahead. Didier Scemama Yes, good afternoon gentlemen. Thank you for taking my question. I wanted to go back to the order intake in EUV and DUV, so maybe first on DUV. Can you maybe just help us understand how much of the DUV orders was related to the EUV capacity build for the noncritical layers is in non-China or any color you can give us? And I have a follow-up on the EUV order breakout. Thank you. | ์ด์ ๋ํ ๋ฐฉํฅ์ด๋ ๊ท๋ชจ๋ฅผ ์ ์ํ๊ธฐ์๋ ์์ง ๋๋ฌด ์ด๋ฆ
๋๋ค. Chris Caso ์ข์ต๋๋ค. ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. Roger Dassen ์ฒ๋ง์์. ์งํ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ Bank of America์ Didier Scemama๋ ์ฐจ๋ก์ ๋๋ค. ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์ญ์์ค. Didier Scemama ๋ค, ์๋ ํ์ญ๋๊น ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ. ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋ต๋ณํด ์ฃผ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. EUV์ DUV์ ์์ฃผ ํํฉ์ผ๋ก ๋ค์ ๋์๊ฐ๊ณ ์ถ์๋ฐ์. ๋จผ์ DUV์ ๋ํด ์ฌ์ญค๋ณด๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. DUV ์ฃผ๋ฌธ๋ ์ค์์ ๋น์ค๊ตญ ์ง์ญ์ EUV ์์ฐ๋ฅ๋ ฅ ํ๋๋ฅผ ์ํ ๋น์ค์ ๋ ์ด์ด ๊ด๋ จ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ์ด ์ผ๋ง๋ ๋๋์ง, ํน์ ์ด์ ๊ด๋ จํด ์ ๊ณตํด์ฃผ์ค ์ ์๋ ์ ๋ณด๊ฐ ์๋ค๋ฉด ์ค๋ช ํด ์ฃผ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๊น? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ EUV ์ฃผ๋ฌธ ๋ด์ญ์ ๋ํด ์ถ๊ฐ ์ง๋ฌธ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. |
Roger Dassen Yes, we typically don't disclose that Didier. No, we don't break down between customers or between regions. But a significant part of the DEEP UV order intake for the quarter was indeed related to larger customers and for larger customers for the non-critical layers as you mentioned it, but we're not putting a percentage on that. Didier Scemama Perfect. That's good to hear that it's confirmed. On the EUV order intake obviously largely driven by foundry logic. Well, I think you said 50:50 perhaps earlier on. On the DRAM side, and on the foundry side maybe any color you can give. So obviously on the foundry side you've got three major customers. | ๋ก์ ๋ค์ผ ๋ค, ์ ํฌ๋ ๋ณดํต ๊ทธ๋ฐ ๋ด์ฉ์ ๊ณต๊ฐํ์ง ์์ต๋๋ค, Didier๋. ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ณ ๋๋ ์ง์ญ๋ณ ์ธ๋ถ ๋ด์ญ์ ๊ณต๊ฐํ์ง ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ค๋ง ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ DEEP UV ์ฃผ๋ฌธ์ ์๋น ๋ถ๋ถ์ด ๋ง์ํ์ ๋๋ก ๋ํ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ค์ ๋น์ค์ ๋ ์ด์ด ๊ด๋ จ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ์ด์๋ค๋ ์ ์ ๋ง์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ๋น์จ์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ ์ด๋ ต์ต๋๋ค. ๋๋์ ์ธ๋ง๋ง ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฐ ํ์ธ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ ์์ด ๋คํ์ ๋๋ค. EUV ์ฃผ๋ฌธ ์ค์ ๊ณผ ๊ด๋ จํด์๋ ํ์ด๋๋ฆฌ/๋ก์ง์ด ์ฃผ๋ํ๋ค๋ ์ ์ด ๋ถ๋ช ํด ๋ณด์ ๋๋ค. ์์ 50:50 ๋น์จ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ๋ง์ํ์ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์๋ฐ์. DRAM ๋ถ๋ฌธ๊ณผ ํ์ด๋๋ฆฌ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ๋ํด ์ข ๋ ์์ธํ ์ค๋ช ํด ์ฃผ์ค ์ ์์๊น์? ํ์ด๋๋ฆฌ ์ชฝ์๋ 3๊ฐ์ ์ฃผ์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๊ฐ ์๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ์๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
On the DRAM side you've got three major customers. Can you just โ obviously, you can't discuss the various customers sort of health, but is there any change with regards to the trajectory of the various buckets? For example, is there any bucket looking a bit better? It looks like DRAM is looking a bit better given the diversity of the customers in there, maybe foundry not changing very much but would be much more interested in hearing your views. Christophe Fouquet Well, I think -- we're looking at each other. | DRAM ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ๋ํด ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ์๋ฉด, ๋น์ฌ๋ 3๊ฐ์ ์ฃผ์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก ๊ฐ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ์ ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ์ํฉ์ ๋ํด์๋ ์ธ๊ธํ๊ธฐ ์ด๋ ต์ง๋ง, ๊ฐ ๋ถ๋ฌธ๋ณ ์ถ์ธ์ ์ด๋ค ๋ณํ๊ฐ ์๋์ง ์ค๋ช
๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์๋ฅผ ๋ค์ด, ์ด๋ค ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ด ๋ ๋์ ์ค์ ์ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์๋์ง์ ๋ํด์์
๋๋ค. DRAM ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ์ด ๋ค์ํ๋ค๋ ์ ์์ ๋ค์ ๊ฐ์ ๋ ๋ชจ์ต์ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด์ด๋ฉฐ, ํ์ด๋๋ฆฌ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ํฐ ๋ณํ๊ฐ ์๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด์
๋๋ค๋ง, ์ด์ ๋ํ ๊ทํ์ ๊ฒฌํด๋ฅผ ๋ฃ๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. ํฌ๋ฆฌ์คํ ํ ํธ์ผ(Christophe Fouquet): ๊ธ์์, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์๋ก๋ฅผ ๋ฐ๋ผ๋ณด๊ณ ์๋ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์๋ฐ์. [Note: The translation maintains the professional tone of the original while accurately conveying the financial context and terminology (DRAM, ํ์ด๋๋ฆฌ/foundry). The informal ending of Christophe's response is preserved to match the original's conversational nature.] |
But I don't know which one of us have to tell you first that -- well, these aren't the type of detail we share because we would be even adding speculation on some of the market situation. So the only thing we say is, again, no major change compared to what we have discussed in the previous quarter. That will be my input to that question. Didier Scemama Okay, well I'll allow myself to follow-up then. Christophe Fouquet Fair enough. Roger Dassen Cannot blame you for trying, right? Didier Scemama French people. No. On High NA, just maybe give us a little bit of insight into that third shipment. Is that for a North American customer or is that also for maybe a Taiwanese or Korean customer? | ํ์ง๋ง ์ ํฌ ์ค ๋๊ฐ ๋จผ์ ๋ง์๋๋ ค์ผ ํ ์ง ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ๋ค์๋ง - ์ด๋ฐ ์ธ๋ถ์ฌํญ์ ์์ฅ ์ํฉ์ ๋ํ ์ถ์ธก์ ๋ํ๊ฒ ๋ ์ ์์ด์ ๊ณต์ ํ์ง ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ค๋ง ๋ง์๋๋ฆด ์ ์๋ ๊ฒ์, ์ด์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๋
ผ์ํ๋ ๊ฒ๊ณผ ๋น๊ตํด ํฐ ๋ณํ๊ฐ ์๋ค๋ ์ ์
๋๋ค. ์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋ํ ๋ต๋ณ์ ์ฌ๊ธฐ๊น์ง์
๋๋ค. ๋๋์ ์ธ๋ง๋ง ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ ๋ค๋ฉด ์ถ๊ฐ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ํ๋๋ก ํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ํฌ๋ฆฌ์คํ ํ ํธ์ผ ๊ทธ๋ ๊ฒ ํ์์ฃ . ๋ก์ ๋ค์ผ ์๋ํด๋ณด์๋ ๊ฑธ ๋๋ฌด๋ ์ ์์ฃ , ๊ทธ๋ ์ง ์๋์? ๋๋์ ์ธ๋ง๋ง ํ๋์ค ์ฌ๋๋ค์ด์ฃ . ์๋, High NA ๊ด๋ จํด์์ธ๋ฐ์, ์ธ ๋ฒ์งธ ์ถํ๊ฑด์ ๋ํด ์กฐ๊ธ ๋ ์์ธํ ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๊น? ๋ถ๋ฏธ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌๅ ์ธ์ง, ์๋๋ฉด ๋๋ง์ด๋ ํ๊ตญ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌๅ ์ธ์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. |
That would be helpful. Roger Dassen I think we said it's not for the North American customer, but we have not said and will not say we're [Indiscernible]. Didier Scemama Okay. Iโll go back in the queue. Thank you. I've tried. Roger Dassen You did. Operator Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of C.J. Muse from Cantor Fitzgerald. Please go ahead. C.J. Muse Yeah. Good afternoon. Good morning. Thank you for taking the question. I guess first question, in the video, when you discussed your 2025 outlook, you talked about obviously, AI supporting the high-end other markets, low end. I would have thought you would have completely derisked other markets. | ๋ค, ๋์์ด ๋๊ฒ ๋ค์. Roger Dassen ๋ถ๋ฏธ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ฅผ ์ํ ๊ฒ์ด ์๋๋ผ๊ณ ๋ง์๋๋ ธ์ง๋ง, [์ฒญ์ทจ๋ถ๊ฐ] ๋ถ๋ถ์ ๋ํด์๋ ์ธ๊ธํ์ง ์์๊ณ ์์ผ๋ก๋ ์ธ๊ธํ์ง ์์ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. Didier Scemama ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ ์์๋ก ๋์๊ฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์๋ํด๋ดค๋ค์. Roger Dassen ๊ทธ๋ฌ์ จ์ฃ . ์งํ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ Cantor Fitzgerald์ C.J. Muse๋๊ป์ ํ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ง๋ฌธํด ์ฃผ์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค. C.J. Muse ๋ค, ์๋ ํ์ญ๋๊น. ์ง๋ฌธ ๋ฐ์์ฃผ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฒซ ๋ฒ์งธ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ์์์์ 2025๋ ์ ๋ง์ ๋ ผ์ํ์ค ๋, AI๊ฐ ํ์ด์๋๋ฅผ ์ง์ํ๊ณ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์์ฅ์ ๋ก์ฐ์๋๋ฅผ ์ง์ํ๋ค๊ณ ๋ง์ํ์ จ๋๋ฐ์. ์ ๊ฐ ์๊ฐํ๊ธฐ์๋ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์์ฅ๋ค์ ๋ํด์๋ ์์ ํ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ๊ฐ ์ ๊ฑฐ๋์์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ์ต๋๋ค. |
So can you touch on the level of derisking embedded in your assumptions for those customers where you've seen pushouts to 2026? And for the high-end, is there sufficient clean room space at those foundry and HBM comers to actually take tools by the Q4 time frame? Christophe Fouquet Yes. I think -- on the first part, I think Roger indicated when it comes to booking, I think that mostly, we have derisked the large part of EUV. So the risk -- I think I'm going to repeat myself on this one, but the risk is just on some potential pushout. I think thatโs what it is. So, we're just a bit cautious based again on some of the experience we all went through last year. | ๋ค, 2026๋
์ผ๋ก ์ฐ๊ธฐ๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ ๋ํ ๊ฐ์ ์ ๋ฐ์๋ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ ๊ฒฝ๊ฐ ์์ค๊ณผ ๊ด๋ จํ์ฌ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ด๋๋ฆฌ์ HBM ์
์ฒด๋ค์ ํ์ด์๋ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์, Q4 ์์ ์ ์ค์ ๋ก ์ฅ๋น๋ฅผ ์์ฉํ ์ ์๋ ์ถฉ๋ถํ ํด๋ฆฐ๋ฃธ ๊ณต๊ฐ์ด ์๋์ง์ ๋ํด ์ค๋ช
ํด ์ฃผ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๊น? Christophe Fouquet ๋ค. ์ฒซ ๋ฒ์งธ ๋ถ๋ถ์ ๋ํด์๋, Roger๊ฐ ์ธ๊ธํ๋ฏ์ด ์์ฃผ์ ๊ด๋ จํด์๋ EUV ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ์๋น ๋ถ๋ถ์ ๋ํด ์ด๋ฏธ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ๋ฅผ ๊ฒฝ๊ฐํ๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ๋ - ๋ฐ๋ณตํด์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ๋๊ฒ ์ง๋ง - ์ผ๋ถ ์ ์ฌ์ ์ธ ์ฐ๊ธฐ ๊ฐ๋ฅ์ฑ์๋ง ๊ตญํ๋์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ด ์ ๋ถ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ ํฌ๋ ์๋ ์ ๋ชจ๋๊ฐ ๊ฒช์๋ ๊ฒฝํ๋ค์ ๋ฐํ์ผ๋ก ๋ค์ ์ ์คํ ์ ์ฅ์ ์ทจํ๊ณ ์๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
That's the first part to your question. The second part, I think that's the right question. I think -- most probably, today, we're looking at opportunity to get more clean room space. I think that's what we mean by building up additional capacity. And if this is possible and if this happened, then we can most probably put some of our tools there, but that's exactly what we're looking at with our customers. C.J. Muse Very helpful. And I guess as a follow-up, you talked about the ongoing shift led by AI across HPC and HBM. | ์ฒซ ๋ฒ์งธ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋ํ ๋ต๋ณ์ ์ด์์
๋๋ค. ๋ ๋ฒ์งธ ๋ถ๋ถ์ ๋ํด์๋, ์ข์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ์ ํฌ๋ ํด๋ฆฐ๋ฃธ ๊ณต๊ฐ์ ์ถ๊ฐ๋ก ํ๋ณดํ ๊ธฐํ๋ฅผ ๋ชจ์ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ด ๋ฐ๋ก ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๋งํ๋ ์ถ๊ฐ ์์ฐ๋ฅ๋ ฅ ํ์ถฉ์ ์๋ฏธ์
๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ด ๊ฐ๋ฅํ๊ณ ์คํ๋๋ค๋ฉด, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ทธ๊ณณ์ ์ฅ๋น๋ฅผ ์ค์นํ ์ ์์ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ด ๋ฐ๋ก ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ค๊ณผ ํจ๊ป ๊ฒํ ํ๊ณ ์๋ ์ฌํญ์
๋๋ค. C.J. Muse ๋งค์ฐ ๋์์ด ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ผ๋ก, AI๊ฐ ์ฃผ๋ํ๋ HPC(๊ณ ์ฑ๋ฅ ์ปดํจํ )์ HBM(๊ณ ๋์ญํญ ๋ฉ๋ชจ๋ฆฌ) ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ์ง์์ ์ธ ๋ณํ์ ๋ํด ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์ จ๋๋ฐ์. |
I'm curious, in your discussions with your customers across both those fronts, can you comment on kind of what you're seeing in terms of EUV layer counts, whether it's A16 or whether it's going HBM3, HBM4, etcetera? I would love to hear kind of your thoughts on the trajectory there. Christophe Fouquet Well, I think we tried to explain that in November. So, the need for a high power computer, the need for high bandwidth memory. So, basically the AI driven chips are more demanding when it comes to advanced process. | ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ค๊ณผ์ ๋
ผ์๋ฅผ ํตํด, A16์ด๋ HBM3, HBM4๋ก ์งํํ๋ ๊ณผ์ ์ด๋ , EUV ๋ ์ด์ด ์์ ๋ํด ์ด๋ค ํธ๋ ๋๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ๊ถค์ ์ ๋ํ ๊ทํ์ ๊ฒฌํด๋ฅผ ๋ฃ๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. Christophe Fouquet ๊ธ์์, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ 11์์ ์ด์ ๋ํด ์ค๋ช ํ๋ ค ํ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ณ ์ฑ๋ฅ ์ปดํจํ ์ ๋ํ ์์์ ๊ณ ๋์ญํญ ๋ฉ๋ชจ๋ฆฌ์ ๋ํ ์์, ์ฆ AI ์ฃผ๋ ์นฉ๋ค์ ์ฒจ๋จ ๊ณต์ ์ ์์ด์ ๋ ๊น๋ค๋ก์ด ์๊ตฌ์ฌํญ์ ๊ฐ์ง๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. Note: The translation maintains key technical terms like "EUV", "HBM3", "HBM4", "AI" in their original form as these are commonly used in Korean financial and technical contexts. The formal business tone is preserved while ensuring natural Korean flow. |
I think what we said is, we see those, those new products mostly calling for a bit of an acceleration of Moore's Law and therefore our customer being more aggressive when it comes to technology transition. I think in some extent you see a bit of that already with 2-nanometer and mostly what will come after that. And I think we also said in November that historically this has always driven more demand for advanced litho. That's of course part of discussion we are having as we speak with our customers. So, part of the shift we see, I think that's one that we describe as a positive one for us back in November. | ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ธ๊ธํ๋ฏ์ด, ์ด๋ฌํ ์ ์ ํ๋ค์ ๋์ฒด๋ก ๋ฌด์ด์ ๋ฒ์น์ ๋ค์ ๊ฐ์ํํ๊ณ , ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ค์ด ๊ธฐ์ ์ ํ์ ์์ด ๋ณด๋ค ์ ๊ทน์ ์ธ ํ๋ณด๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ด ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์ ๋๋ ์ด๋ฏธ 2๋๋ ธ๋ฏธํฐ ๊ณต์ ์์ ์ด๋ฌํ ํ์์ด ๋ํ๋๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ํนํ ๊ทธ ์ดํ์ ์ถ์๋ ๊ธฐ์ ์์ ๋์ฑ ๋๋๋ฌ์ง ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด์ ๋๋ค. ๋ํ 11์์ ์ธ๊ธํ๋ฏ์ด, ์ญ์ฌ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ด๋ฌํ ํ๋ฆ์ ํญ์ ์ฒจ๋จ ๋ฆฌ์๊ทธ๋ํผ์ ๋ํ ์์๋ฅผ ์ฆ๊ฐ์์ผ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ํ์ฌ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ค๊ณผ ๋ ผ์ํ๊ณ ์๋ ํต์ฌ ์ฌํญ์ด๊ธฐ๋ ํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๋ชฉ๊ฒฉํ๊ณ ์๋ ์ด๋ฌํ ๋ณํ๋, 11์์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ค๋ช ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ฒ๋ผ ๋น์ฌ์ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ธ ์ํฅ์ ๋ฏธ์น ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋ฉ๋๋ค. |
And I think when it comes to the trend, the trend is there and well, you're asking very detailed question on, future node. We don't have the detailed answer yet, but the trend is definitely there. C.J. Muse Thanks so much. Christophe Fouquet You're welcome. Operator Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Gardiner from Citi. Please go ahead. Andrew Gardiner Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question. I had another one on the customer visibility side of things it's encouraging, obviously, to see that you finished 2024 strongly in terms of orders, but if I look at 2024 overall, you've had a fairly low level of orders from the logic community, lowest since 2020. | ํธ๋ ๋์ ๋ํด ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ์๋ฉด, ํธ๋ ๋๋ ๋ถ๋ช
ํ ์กด์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ํฅํ ๋
ธ๋์ ๋ํด ๋งค์ฐ ์์ธํ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ํด์ฃผ์
จ๋๋ฐ์, ์์ง ์์ธํ ๋ต๋ณ์ ๋๋ฆด ์๋ ์์ง๋ง, ํธ๋ ๋๋ ํ์คํ ์์ต๋๋ค. C.J. Muse ๋๋จํ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. Christophe Fouquet ์ฒ๋ง์์. ์งํ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ์ํฐ์ Andrew Gardiner๋๊ป์ ํด์ฃผ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์ญ์์ค. Andrew Gardiner ์๋ ํ์ญ๋๊น. ์ง๋ฌธ ๋ฐ์์ฃผ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ณ ๊ฐ ๊ฐ์์ฑ ์ธก๋ฉด์ ๋ํด ์ถ๊ฐ ์ง๋ฌธ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. 2024๋ ์ ๊ฐ์ธ๋ก ๋ง๋ฌด๋ฆฌํ๋ฉฐ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ์ด ์ฆ๊ฐํ ๊ฒ์ ๊ณ ๋ฌด์ ์ธ ํ์์ด์ง๋ง, 2024๋ ์ ์ฒด๋ฅผ ๋ณผ ๋ ๋ก์ง ๋ถ๋ฌธ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค๋ก๋ถํฐ์ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ์ด 2020๋ ์ดํ ์ต์ ์์ค์ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ต๋๋ค. |
Now, I understand the multiple reasons why it's been weak in recent quarters. So, really I'm sort of interested in a more forward-looking view. You've already explained that 2025 is essentially fully booked. But as I look to 2026, assuming growth, as you've described, loosely, Roger, it's something like 30% to 40% booked for next year, depending on one's assumptions. | ์ต๊ทผ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ค์ ์ด ์ฝ์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ธ ์ฌ๋ฌ ๊ฐ์ง ์ด์ ๋ ์ดํดํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ์ ๋ ์ฌ์ค ๋ ๋ฏธ๋ ์งํฅ์ ์ธ ๊ด์ ์ ๊ด์ฌ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ง์ํ์ ๋๋ก 2025๋
์ ์ด๋ฏธ ๊ฑฐ์ ์์ ํ ์์ฝ์ด ์๋ฃ๋ ์ํ์
๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง 2026๋
์ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ๋ก์ ๋๊ป์ ์ค๋ช
ํ์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๊ฐ์ ํ ๋, ๊ฐ์์ ๊ฐ์ ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ๋ด๋
์์ฝ๋ฅ ์ด ๋๋ต 30%์์ 40% ์ ๋์ธ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด์
๋๋ค. Note: The translation maintains the professional yet conversational tone of the original while accurately conveying the financial context. Key terms like "๋ถ๊ธฐ(quarters)", "์์ฝ๋ฅ (booking rate)" and numerical figures are preserved. The informal English phrase "loosely" is appropriately rendered in a more formal business Korean style to match the target audience's expectations. |
So, then if I think of your lead times and the points you were making about the stated customer plans for their CapEx, the 2-nanometer migration and in particular, the high-volume ramp in the first part of next year, don't you need to see order commitments come in for EUV over the first half of this year in order to be able to meet those customer needs on time? Roger Dassen Yes, Andrew, I think that's fair. So we should be seeing order intake in the first two quarters, particularly when it comes to EUV. I think that would be logical. As Christophe described, we do have flexibility obviously in our -- in the way we approach 2026. | ๋ค, ๊ทํ์ ๋ฆฌ๋ํ์๊ณผ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ด ๋ฐํ ์ค๋นํฌ์ ๊ณํ, ํนํ 2๋๋
ธ ๊ณต์ ์ผ๋ก์ ์ ํ ๋ฐ ๋ด๋
์ด ๋ณธ๊ฒฉ์ ์ธ ์์ฐ ๊ณํ์ ๊ณ ๋ คํด๋ณผ ๋, ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์์๋ฅผ ์ ์์ ์ถฉ์กฑํ๊ธฐ ์ํด์๋ ์ฌํด ์๋ฐ๊ธฐ ์ค EUV ์ฃผ๋ฌธ์ด ๋ค์ด์์ผ ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์๋๊ฐ์? Roger Dassen ๋ค, Andrew ๋ ๋ง์์ด ๋ง์ต๋๋ค. ํนํ EUV ์ฅ๋น์ ๊ด๋ จํด์๋ 1๋ถ๊ธฐ์ 2๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ์ด ๋ค์ด์ค๋ ๊ฒ์ด ํฉ๋ฆฌ์ ์ผ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. Christophe๊ฐ ์ค๋ช ํ๋ฏ์ด, 2026๋ ๊ณํ์ ๋ํด์๋ ๋น์ฌ๊ฐ ์ ์ฐํ๊ฒ ๋์ํ ์ ์๋ ์ฌ์ง๊ฐ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
So we do have flexibility in our supply chain and also manufacturing capability. So, it's not like at a certain point in time, that's where the music stops. But definitely, we should continue to see good order intake in the first two quarters. I think that's a fair assumption. Andrew Gardiner Thanks. I mean, related to your answer there, Roger, the strategy of pre-building, is that continuing, have you changed that at all given the shift in customer dynamics we've seen over the last six to nine months? Roger Dassen So, really we're doing this also, Andrew, to make sure that we have a level loading of our factory. Right. | ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ ํฌ๋ ๊ณต๊ธ๋ง๊ณผ ์ ์กฐ ์ญ๋์์ ์ ์ฐ์ฑ์ ํ๋ณดํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฆ, ํน์ ์์ ์์ ๋ชจ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ๊ฐ์๊ธฐ ์ค๋จ๋๋ ๊ทธ๋ฐ ์ํฉ์ ์๋๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ํ์คํ ์ฒซ ๋ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋์์ ์ํธํ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ ์ ์
์ด ์ง์๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋ฉ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ํฉ๋ฆฌ์ ์ธ ๊ฐ์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ์ค๋๋ฅ ๊ฐ๋๋ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ก์ ๋์ ๋ต๋ณ๊ณผ ๊ด๋ จํด์, ์ฌ์ ์์ฐ ์ ๋ต์ ๋ํด ์ฌ์ญค๋ณด๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. ์ง๋ 6-9๊ฐ์ ๋์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ๋ํฅ์ด ๋ณํํ๋๋ฐ, ์ด์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ์ฌ์ ์์ฐ ์ ๋ต์ ๋ณ๊ฒฝํ์ จ๋์? ๋ก์ ๋ค์ผ ์ค๋๋ฅ๋, ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ด๋ ๊ฒ ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๊ณต์ฅ ๊ฐ๋๋ฅ ์ ์ผ์ ํ๊ฒ ์ ์งํ๊ธฐ ์ํด์์ ๋๋ค. ๋ง์ต๋๋ค. |
So and that's one and second, in order to create sufficient flexibility for us. So, we're reviewing that, we're obviously reviewing that based on the latest insights that we get from customers. I reiterate, the ongoing discussions that we have with customers rather than just appeals, and based on what we get there and based on the insights that we get there for this year and for next year, that also determines what our, what our pre-built strategy is, but that is an option that we continue to have and that we continue to use in order to better optimize the loading of our factory. Andrew Gardiner Thank you very much. Operator Thank you. | ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ด ์ฒซ ๋ฒ์งธ์ด๊ณ , ๋ ๋ฒ์งธ๋ก๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์๊ฒ ์ถฉ๋ถํ ์ ์ฐ์ฑ์ ํ๋ณดํ๊ธฐ ์ํด์์
๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค๋ก๋ถํฐ ์ป๋ ์ต์ ์ธ์ฌ์ดํธ๋ฅผ ๋ฐํ์ผ๋ก ์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฒํ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๊ฐ ๋ค์ ํ ๋ฒ ๊ฐ์กฐํ์๋ฉด, ๋จ์ํ ์์ฒญ์ด ์๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค๊ณผ์ ์ง์์ ์ธ ๋
ผ์๋ฅผ ํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ฅผ ํตํด ์ป๋ ์ฌํด์ ๋ด๋
์ ๋ํ ์ธ์ฌ์ดํธ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ์ผ๋ก ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์ ์ ์ ์์ฐ ์ ๋ต์ ๊ฒฐ์ ํ๊ฒ ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๊ณ์ํด์ ๋ณด์ ํ๊ณ ์๊ณ ๊ณต์ฅ ๊ฐ๋๋ฅ ์ ์ต์ ํํ๊ธฐ ์ํด ๊ณ์ํด์ ํ์ฉํ๋ ์ต์
์
๋๋ค. ์ค๋๋ฅ ๊ฐ๋๋ ๋๋จํ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์งํ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. |
Your next question comes from the line of Mehdi Hosseini from SIG. Please go ahead. Mehdi Hosseini Yes, thanks for taking my question. Two follow-ups. Roger, can you give me an update where we are with the throughput for NXE:3800E? Where is it today? And how are you going to close the year? And then for the team, I want to better understand how you're planning internal capacity, especially looking beyond the 2025. When we had a strong cycle a couple of years ago, your backlog was in the $40 billion range. Do you see more flexibility with your capacity to bringing the lead times down, especially with higher EUV mix and concentration of customers? | ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ SIG์ Mehdi Hosseini ๋๊ป์ ํ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์ญ์์ค. Mehdi Hosseini ๋ค, ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๊ธฐํ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ ๊ฐ์ง ํ์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. Roger๋, NXE:3800E์ ํ์ฌ ์ฒ๋ฆฌ๋์ด ์ด๋ ์ ๋์ธ์ง ์ ๋ฐ์ดํธํด ์ฃผ์ค ์ ์์ผ์ ๊ฐ์? ํ์ฌ ์์ค๊ณผ ์ฐ๋ง๊น์ง์ ๋ชฉํ์น๊ฐ ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ฒฝ์์ง ๋ถ๋ค๊ป ์ฌ์ญค๋ณด๊ณ ์ถ์๋ฐ, 2025๋ ์ดํ๋ฅผ ๋ด๋ค๋ณด๋ฉฐ ๋ด๋ถ ์์ฐ๋ฅ๋ ฅ์ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๊ณํํ๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ง ์ดํดํ๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ช ๋ ์ ํธํฉ๊ธฐ ๋๋ ์์ฃผ์๊ณ ๊ฐ 400์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ์์ค์ด์๋๋ฐ์. EUV ๋น์ค์ด ๋์์ง๊ณ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์ง์ค๋๊ฐ ๋์์ง๋ ์ํฉ์์, ๋ฆฌ๋ํ์์ ๋จ์ถํ ์ ์๋ ์์ฐ๋ฅ๋ ฅ์ ์ ์ฐ์ฑ์ด ๋ ํ๋ณด๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด์๋์? Note: I preserved key technical terms like "NXE:3800E", "EUV", "throughput", "lead times" while translating the rest into natural, formal Korean that maintains the professional tone of an earnings call. The translation accurately conveys the financial and technical nature of the questions while being fluent and easily understandable to Korean investors. |
Or would you be more prudent and try to build a longer backlog? I'm just trying to understand and balance your internal planning for the next couple of years versus your ability to get customers committed, especially given there's more concentration of customers for EUV. Roger Dassen Yes, Mehdi. So on the throughput, the systems that we shipped in last year were all on a -- were on a better throughput than the throughput of the 3600 but not yet at the maximum throughput. That maximum throughput has been demonstrated, and we're now in the process of rolling that out. | ์๋๋ฉด ๋ ์ ์คํ๊ฒ ์ ๊ทผํ์ฌ ์ฅ๊ธฐ ์์ฃผ์๊ณ ๋ฅผ ํ๋ณดํ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๊น? EUV์ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์ง์ค๋๊ฐ ๋ ๋์ ์ํฉ์์, ํฅํ ๋ช ๋
๊ฐ์ ๋ด๋ถ ๊ณํ๊ณผ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ํ๋ณด ๋ฅ๋ ฅ ์ฌ์ด์ ๊ท ํ์ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๋ง์ถ์ค ๊ณํ์ธ์ง ์ดํดํ๊ณ ์ ํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ก์ ๋ค์ผ ๋ค, ๋ฉ๋ ๋. ์ฒ๋ฆฌ๋(throughput)๊ณผ ๊ด๋ จํ์ฌ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ์๋ ์ ์ถํ๋ ์์คํ ๋ค์ ๋ชจ๋ 3600 ๋ชจ๋ธ์ ์ฒ๋ฆฌ๋๋ณด๋ค๋ ํฅ์๋ ์์ค์ด์์ง๋ง, ์์ง ์ต๋ ์ฒ๋ฆฌ๋์๋ ๋๋ฌํ์ง ์์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ ์ต๋ ์ฒ๋ฆฌ๋์ ์ด๋ฏธ ์ค์ฆ๋์๊ณ , ํ์ฌ ์ด๋ฅผ ์ ๋ฉด์ ์ผ๋ก ์ ์ฉํ๋ ๊ณผ์ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
So the newer tools that we're now shipping to customers will gradually meet that specification for the tools that have been installed with the customers. We're going to make sure that in the course of this year that those tools also meet at higher expectations. So therefore, you will continue to see also us reporting on the improvement and also the revenue that we recognize from the fact that we get those higher throughputs achieved with customers and also get recognized for that. So that's the status. So the 220 [ph] has been demonstrated now in the process of rolling that out for the new tools and also exporting that to the 3800s that are in the field. | ํ์ฌ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ์ ๋ฉํ๋๊ณ ์๋ ์ ๊ท ์ฅ๋น๋ค์ ์ ์ง์ ์ผ๋ก ํด๋น ์ฌ์์ ์ถฉ์กฑํ๊ฒ ๋ ๊ฒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ๊ธฐ์กด์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ์ ์ค์น๋ ์ฅ๋น๋ค์ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ์๋ ๊ธ๋
์ค์ผ๋ก ์ด๋ฌํ ํฅ์๋ ๊ธฐ์ค์ ์ถฉ์กฑํ๋๋ก ํ ์์ ์
๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์์ผ๋ก๋ ๋น์ฌ๋ ์ฑ๋ฅ ๊ฐ์ ํํฉ๊ณผ ํจ๊ป, ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ์์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ ๋์ ์ฒ๋ฆฌ๋์ผ๋ก ์ธํด ์ธ์๋๋ ๋งค์ถ์ ๋ํด ๊ณ์ ๋ณด๊ณ ํ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ด ํ์ฌ ์ํฉ์
๋๋ค. 220[ph] ์ฌ์์ด ์ด๋ฏธ ์
์ฆ๋์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ํ์ฌ๋ ์ด๋ฅผ ์ ๊ท ์ฅ๋น์ ์ ์ฉํ๋ ๊ณผ์ ์ ์๊ณ , ๋ํ ํ์ฅ์ ์ค์น๋ 3800 ์๋ฆฌ์ฆ ์ฅ๋น๋ค์๋ ์ด๋ฅผ ํ๋ ์ ์ฉํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. [Note: The translation maintains technical terms like "์ฒ๋ฆฌ๋" (throughput) and "์ฌ์" (specification) while keeping the professional, matter-of-fact tone of the original. The flow is natural in Korean while preserving the precise meaning of the financial/technical content.] |
In terms of capacity beyond 2025, the key thing that we're doing is to make sure that we -- what we call is the long lead time items that they are in place, i.e., that we have the flexibility to respond to higher demands and that we have the long lead time items that we have those in place. If you look at what we're projecting in terms of growth for the second half of this decade, including what we're projecting for 2030, it's clear that capacity needs to be built. | 2025๋
์ดํ์ ์์ฐ๋ฅ๋ ฅ๊ณผ ๊ด๋ จํ์ฌ, ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ค์ ์ ๋๊ณ ์๋ ํต์ฌ ์ฌํญ์ ์ด๋ฅธ๋ฐ '์ฅ๊ธฐ ๋ฆฌ๋ํ์ ํ๋ชฉ'๋ค์ด ์ ์๋ฆฌ์ ์๋๋ก ํ๋ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ์ฆ, ์์ ์ฆ๊ฐ์ ์ ์ฐํ๊ฒ ๋์ํ ์ ์๋ ๋ฅ๋ ฅ์ ํ๋ณดํ๊ณ , ์ด๋ฌํ ์ฅ๊ธฐ ๋ฆฌ๋ํ์ ํ๋ชฉ๋ค์ ํ์คํ ํ๋ณดํด ๋๋ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฒ 10๋
ํ๋ฐ๊ธฐ์ ์ฑ์ฅ ์ ๋ง๊ณผ 2030๋
์ ๋ง์น๋ฅผ ์ดํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ์์ฐ๋ฅ๋ ฅ ํ์ถฉ์ด ๋ฐ๋์ ํ์ํ๋ค๋ ์ ์ด ๋ช
ํํฉ๋๋ค. Note: I maintained key financial terms like "์์ฐ๋ฅ๋ ฅ" (capacity) and "์ฅ๊ธฐ ๋ฆฌ๋ํ์ ํ๋ชฉ" (long lead time items) while ensuring the translation flows naturally in Korean. The tone remains professional and analytical, appropriate for an earnings call context. |
So the infrastructure we have already built and continue to do that so that the long -- that the infrastructure is in place and that then with supply chain and with our head count, we can respond once we get the very clear signals from our customers that demand is covering. That's the way we approach it. Mehdi Hosseini So does that mean that the backlog would be kind of in the 18 month range or are we going to go back to like 22, 23 when backlog was extended due to supply constraints? Roger Dassen No, that would not be. I think a normal backlog is ultimately what we want to be able to offer to our customers. | ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ด๋ฏธ ์ธํ๋ผ๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์ถํ๊ณ ๊ณ์ํด์ ๊ตฌ์ถํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค๋ก๋ถํฐ ์์ ํ๋ณต์ ๋ํ ๋ช
ํํ ์ ํธ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ์์ ๋ ๊ณต๊ธ๋ง๊ณผ ์ธ๋ ฅ์ ํตํด ๋์ํ ์ ์๋๋ก ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ ์ธ ์ธํ๋ผ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์ถ๊ธฐ ์ํด์์
๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์ ๊ทผ ๋ฐฉ์์
๋๋ค. Mehdi Hosseini ๊ทธ๋ ๋ค๋ฉด ๋ฐฑ๋ก๊ทธ๊ฐ ์ฝ 18๊ฐ์ ์์ค์ด ๋ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๋ ์๋ฏธ์ธ๊ฐ์, ์๋๋ฉด ๊ณต๊ธ ์ ์ฝ์ผ๋ก ์ธํด ๋ฐฑ๋ก๊ทธ๊ฐ ์ฐ์ฅ๋์๋ 2022๋ , 2023๋ ๊ณผ ๊ฐ์ ์ํฉ์ผ๋ก ๋์๊ฐ ๊ฒ์ธ๊ฐ์? Roger Dassen ์๋์, ๊ทธ๋ ์ง ์์ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ถ๊ทน์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์๊ฒ ์ ์์ ์ธ ์์ค์ ๋ฐฑ๋ก๊ทธ๋ฅผ ์ ๊ณตํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋ชฉํ๋ก ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. Note: The translation maintains the formal business tone while accurately conveying the financial concepts. Terms like "๋ฐฑ๋ก๊ทธ" (backlog), "์ธํ๋ผ" (infrastructure), and "๊ณต๊ธ๋ง" (supply chain) are preserved as commonly used in Korean financial contexts. |
We want to be able to offer to our customers a normal backlog because that will also help them respond to their business. I mean that's ultimately what you want to get, that customers have a backlog and they order lead time that is manageable for them and that allows them to respond in a good and flexible way to their demand fluctuations. And that's our ultimate goal. And that's why we want to be as flexible as we can. And that's why we put in the infrastructure such that we are able to give our customers a normal order lead time. That's the objective that we are driving. Mehdi Hosseini Got it. Thank you for details. Roger Dassen You're welcome. Operator Thank you. | ์ ํฌ๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ค์๊ฒ ์ ์์ ์ธ ์์ฃผ์๊ณ ๋ฅผ ์ ๊ณตํ๊ณ ์ ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ค์ด ์์ฌ์ ๋น์ฆ๋์ค์ ๋์ํ๋ ๋ฐ ๋์์ด ๋ ๊ฒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์
๋๋ค. ๊ถ๊ทน์ ์ผ๋ก ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ค์ด ๊ด๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ๋ฅํ ์์ฃผ์๊ณ ์ ๋ฆฌ๋ํ์์ ๊ฐ์ง๊ณ , ์ด๋ฅผ ํตํด ์์ ๋ณ๋์ ์ ์ฐํ๊ณ ํจ๊ณผ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋์ํ ์ ์๋๋ก ํ๋ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ด ์ ํฌ์ ๊ถ๊ทน์ ์ธ ๋ชฉํ์
๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ์ ํฌ๋ ์ต๋ํ ์ ์ฐ์ฑ์ ํ๋ณดํ๊ณ ์ ํ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ฅผ ์ํด ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ค์๊ฒ ์ ์์ ์ธ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ ๋ฆฌ๋ํ์์ ์ ๊ณตํ ์ ์๋ ์ธํ๋ผ๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์ถํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ด ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ถ๊ตฌํ๋ ๋ชฉํ์
๋๋ค. ๋ฉ๋ ํธ์ธ์ด๋ ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์์ธํ ์ค๋ช ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ก์ ๋ค์ผ ์ฒ๋ง์์. ์งํ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. |
Your next question comes from the line of Stephane Houri from ODDO BHF. Please go ahead. Stephane Houri Yes, good afternoon. I would like to come back on the guidance for 2025. Last quarter, I think you gave us some elements to rationalize how you could get to the middle of the range. And you gave notably 2 elements. One was on the non-EUV, non-China that was supposed to grow largely by the double digit, let's say, 50%. So can you maybe come back on that and confirm if that's still what you expect? And the second element was about the Installed Base Management revenue that you said could be at about โฌ7.2 billion. | ODDO BHF์ Stephane Houri๋ก๋ถํฐ ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค. Stephane Houri ๋ค, ์๋ ํ์ญ๋๊น. 2025๋ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค์ ๋ํด ๋ค์ ํ๋ฒ ์ฌ์ญค๋ณด๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. ์ง๋ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๋ชฉํ ๋ฒ์์ ์ค๊ฐ๊ฐ์ ๋๋ฌํ ์ ์๋ ๊ทผ๊ฑฐ์ ๋ํด ๋ช ๊ฐ์ง ์์๋ฅผ ์ค๋ช ํด ์ฃผ์ จ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๊ธฐ์ตํฉ๋๋ค. ํนํ ๋ ๊ฐ์ง ์์๋ฅผ ์ธ๊ธํ์ จ๋๋ฐ์. ์ฒซ ๋ฒ์งธ๋ ๋น(้)EUV, ๋น(้)์ค๊ตญ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ด ๋ ์๋ฆฟ์, ์ฆ 50% ์ ๋์ ํฐ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ํ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๋ ์ ๋ง์ด์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด์ ๋ํด ๋ค์ ํ๋ฒ ์ค๋ช ํด ์ฃผ์๊ณ ์ฌ์ ํ ๊ฐ์ ์ ๋ง์ ์ ์งํ์๋์ง ํ์ธ ๋ถํ๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. ๋ ๋ฒ์งธ ์์๋ ์ค์น๊ธฐ๋ฐ ๊ด๋ฆฌ(Installed Base Management) ๋งค์ถ์ด ์ฝ 72์ต ์ ๋ก์ ์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ๋ง์ํ์ จ๋๋ฐ์. Note: I maintained key financial terms like "guidance", "EUV", and "Installed Base Management" while ensuring the translation sounds natural and professional in Korean. The formal business speaking style (ํฉ์ผ์ฒด) is used throughout to maintain the appropriate level of formality for an earnings call. |
But if you take the first quarter where you guide for โฌ2.1 billion, it gives a run rate if you multiply it by 4 of much bigger than โฌ7.5 billion, โฌ8.4 billion, โฌ8.5 billion, so โฌ1 billion above. So is there any seasonality we should have in mind about Installed Base Management? Thank you. Roger Dassen So let's take the last one first. So the โฌ7.5 billion, that's the number that we still include in our guidance. And of course, over the quarters, you've also seen that last year, there can be some fluctuation. To a very large extent, that's dependent on upgrades. So that fluctuates from one quarter to the other. | ํ์ง๋ง 1๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๋ํด ๊ท์ฌ๊ฐ ์ ์ํ 21์ต ์ ๋ก ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ฅผ 4๋ฅผ ๊ณฑํด ์ฐ๊ฐํํ๋ฉด 75์ต ์ ๋ก๊ฐ ์๋ 84์ต-85์ต ์ ๋ก๋ก, 10์ต ์ ๋ก๊ฐ ๋ ๋์ ์์ค์ด ๋ฉ๋๋ค. Installed Base Management์ ๊ด๋ จํด์ ๊ณ ๋ คํด์ผ ํ ๊ณ์ ์ฑ์ด ์๋์ง์? ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. Roger Dassen ๋ง์ง๋ง ์ง๋ฌธ๋ถํฐ ๋ต๋ณ ๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. 75์ต ์ ๋ก๋ ์ฌ์ ํ ๋น์ฌ์ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค์ ํฌํจ๋ ์์น์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์๋ ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ณ ์ค์ ์ ๋ณด์๋ฉด ์์๊ฒ ์ง๋ง, ๋ณ๋์ฑ์ด ์์ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ๋๋ถ๋ถ ์ ๊ทธ๋ ์ด๋์ ๋ฐ๋ฅธ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก, ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ณ๋ก ๋ณ๋์ด ์์ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
I would also say that our visibility into the upgrade is, of course, less than the service business. But I think for now, I would encourage you to still use the โฌ7.5 billion as the right number. When it comes to the non-China, non-EUV business, I think you mentioned 50%. I think that's on the higher end. I think that's a little higher than what I had in my model when we were having the conversation. So 50% is a little too high, I think. I think you probably want to -- I think we said it's sort of on par with what you would see in the EUV business, and that would get you to approximately 40% increase. And that's sort of where I think you're going to land. | ์ ๊ทธ๋ ์ด๋ ์ฌ์ ์ ๋ํ ์ ๋ง์ ์๋น์ค ์ฌ์ ์ ๋นํด ๊ฐ์์ฑ์ด ๋ฎ์ ๊ฒ์ด ์ฌ์ค์ ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ํ์ฌ๋ก์๋ 75์ต ์ ๋ก๋ฅผ ์ ์ ์์น๋ก ๊ณ์ ์ฌ์ฉํ์๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ถ์ฅ๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. ๋น์ค๊ตญ, ๋นEUV ์ฌ์ ๊ณผ ๊ด๋ จํ์ฌ ์ธ๊ธํ์ 50%๋ ๋ค์ ๋์ ์์ค์ด๋ผ๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ด์ ์ ๋ ผ์ํ์ ๋ ์ ๊ฐ ๋ชจ๋ธ๋งํ๋ ์์น๋ณด๋ค ๋์ต๋๋ค. 50%๋ ์ฝ๊ฐ ๊ณผ๋ ์ถ์ ๋ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ๋ค์. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ธ๊ธํ๋ฏ์ด, ์ด๋ EUV ์ฌ์ ์์ ๋ณด์๋ ์์ค๊ณผ ๋น์ทํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ์ฝ 40% ์ฆ๊ฐ์ ํด๋นํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ ์ ๋๊ฐ ์ค์ ๋๋ฌํ ์ ์๋ ์์ค์ด๋ผ๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. |
Stephane Houri And this is a change, right? Roger Dassen What was that? No, it's not a change. It has not changed. Stephane Houri Okay. Roger Dassen No, that has not changed. That is still consistent with the analysis that we provided after Q3. Stephane Houri Thank you very much. Roger Dassen You're welcome. Operator Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Michael Roeg from DeGroof Petercam. Please go ahead. Michael Roeg Yes, good afternoon. Can I ask a question about one of your slides from the Investor Day 2024? Christophe Fouquet We'll do our best. Michael Roeg Okay, well, now you're still laughing. It's the presentation by Mr. Harchandani [ph], Slide number 13. | Stephane Houri ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ด๊ฒ์ ๋ณ๊ฒฝ์ฌํญ์ด ๋ง์ฃ ? Roger Dassen ๋ญ๋ผ๊ณ ํ์ จ๋์? ์๋์, ๋ณ๊ฒฝ์ฌํญ์ด ์๋๋๋ค. ๋ณ๊ฒฝ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. Stephane Houri ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. Roger Dassen ๋ค, ๋ณ๊ฒฝ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ดํ ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ ๊ณตํด ๋๋ฆฐ ๋ถ์๊ณผ ์ผ๊ด๋ ๋ด์ฉ์ ๋๋ค. Stephane Houri ๋๋จํ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. Roger Dassen ์ฒ๋ง์์. ์งํ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ DeGroof Petercam์ Michael Roeg ๋๊ป์ ํ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค. Michael Roeg ๋ค, ์๋ ํ์ญ๋๊น. 2024๋ ํฌ์์์ ๋ ๋ฐํ์๋ฃ ์ค ํ ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋์ ๋ํด ์ง๋ฌธ๋๋ ค๋ ๋ ๊น์? Christophe Fouquet ์ต์ ์ ๋คํด ๋ต๋ณ ๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. Michael Roeg ๋ค, ์์ง๋ ์๊ณ ๊ณ์๋ค์. Harchandani ๋์ ๋ฐํ์๋ฃ ์ค 13๋ฒ ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋์ ๊ดํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
And that is the slide with the 7 end markets and the total semiconductor sales. I'm sure you'll be able to visualize that one, correct? Roger Dassen I have it in mind. Yes, yes. Michael Roeg Okay. Good. Well, first of all, it's a pity that you no longer show the historical data, which you did in the past. So now my whole model is missing a few years. But now my question is the following, do you believe that your customers will be able to generate $1 trillion in sales in 2030? Roger Dassen It's not our customers, right? When you talk about the semiconductor industry, there's for customers. | 7๊ฐ ์ต์ข
์์ฅ๊ณผ ์ด ๋ฐ๋์ฒด ๋งค์ถ์ด ํ์๋ ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋๋ฅผ ๋ง์ํ์๋ ๊ฑฐ์ฃ . ๊ทธ ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋๋ฅผ ๋ ์ฌ๋ฆฌ์ค ์ ์์ผ์์ฃ ? Roger Dassen ๋ค, ๋จธ๋ฆฟ์์ ์์ต๋๋ค. Michael Roeg ์ข์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ์ , ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ์ ๋ณด์ฌ์ฃผ์ จ๋ ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ ๋ฐ์ดํฐ๋ฅผ ๋ ์ด์ ๊ณต๊ฐํ์ง ์์ผ์ ์ ์์ฝ๋ค์. ๊ทธ๋์ ์ ๋ชจ๋ธ์์ ๋ช ๋ ์น ๋ฐ์ดํฐ๊ฐ ๋น ์ ธ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด์ ์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ์ด๋ ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ท์ฌ์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ด 2030๋ ์ 1์กฐ ๋ฌ๋ฌ์ ๋งค์ถ์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ ์ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ณด์๋์? Roger Dassen ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค๋ง์ ์ด์ผ๊ธฐ๊ฐ ์๋๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋์ฒด ์ฐ์ ์ ์ฒด๋ฅผ ๋ง์ํ์๋ ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๋ฉด, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ ๊ทธ ์ค ์ผ๋ถ์ ๋๋ค. Note: The translation maintains the back-and-forth dialogue format while accurately conveying the financial context and preserving the professional tone of the conversation. Key terms like "๋ฐ๋์ฒด" (semiconductor) and "๋งค์ถ" (sales) are used appropriately in their Korean business context. |
Michael Roeg And that is precisely the answer I want to hear because the Gartner market definition doesn't represent your customers. It represents your customers, the IDMs and the fabless companies that are customers of your foundry customers. Roger Dassen Yes. Michael Roeg However if I look at the 7 end markets, then my perception is that the difference between vendor sales and manufacturer sales, which is a huge gap for the total market, that the difference is biggest for smartphone and data center because that's where the IDNs have the smallest positions. | Michael Roeg ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ด ์ ๊ฐ ๋ฃ๊ณ ์ถ์๋ ๋ต๋ณ์ ๋๋ค. Gartner์ ์์ฅ ์ ์๋ ๊ท์ฌ์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ ๋ํํ์ง ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ ๊ท์ฌ์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ, ์ฆ ๊ท์ฌ์ ํ์ด๋๋ฆฌ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ค์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ธ IDM๊ณผ ํน๋ฆฌ์ค ๊ธฐ์ ๋ค์ ๋ํํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. Roger Dassen ๋ค. Michael Roeg ํ์ง๋ง 7๊ฐ์ ์ต์ข ์์ฅ์ ์ดํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ๋ฒค๋ ๋งค์ถ๊ณผ ์ ์กฐ์ฌ ๋งค์ถ ๊ฐ์ ์ฐจ์ด๊ฐ ์ ์ฒด ์์ฅ์์ ๋งค์ฐ ํฌ๊ฒ ๋ํ๋๋๋ฐ, ์ด ์ฐจ์ด๋ ์ค๋งํธํฐ๊ณผ ๋ฐ์ดํฐ์ผํฐ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ๊ฐ์ฅ ํฌ๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ์๋ํ๋ฉด ์ด ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ IDM๋ค์ ์ ์ง๊ฐ ๊ฐ์ฅ ์๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. Note: The translation maintains the technical terms like "IDM" (Integrated Device Manufacturer), "fabless", "foundry" as they are commonly used in Korean financial and semiconductor industry contexts. The formal tone of the conversation has been preserved while ensuring natural Korean flow. |
So you've changed all your scenarios with data center scenarios going up, most other markets scenarios going down, which obviously looks great. But from a manufacturer perspective, I don't know if anything has changed, actually. Roger Dassen To be honest, I think you're losing a bit of the audience here. And you're looking at a slide that no one else is looking at. So I would suggest that we have a follow-on conversation on this topic. Michael Roeg Perfect, perfect. However, you know what I'm talking about, I'm surprised that everybody keeps showing the Gartner data, which are not a reflection of the equipment customers. Roger Dassen Yes. | ๋ฐ์ดํฐ์ผํฐ ์๋๋ฆฌ์ค๋ ์ํฅ ์กฐ์ ๋๊ณ ๋ค๋ฅธ ๋๋ถ๋ถ์ ์์ฅ ์๋๋ฆฌ์ค๋ ํํฅ ์กฐ์ ๋์ด ์ข์ ๋ณด์ด๋ ๊ฒ์ ์ฌ์ค์
๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ ์กฐ์
์ฒด ๊ด์ ์์ ๋ณด๋ฉด ์ค์ ๋ก ๋ฌ๋ผ์ง ๊ฒ์ด ์๋์ง ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. Roger Dassen ์์งํ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ์ฒญ์ค๋ค์ด ์กฐ๊ธ ๋์น๊ณ ๊ณ์ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ง๊ธ ๋ณด๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋๋ฅผ ๋ค๋ฅธ ๋ถ๋ค์ ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ง ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด ์ฃผ์ ์ ๋ํด์๋ ํ์ ๋ ผ์๋ฅผ ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์ข๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. Michael Roeg ๋ค, ์ข์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ ๊ฐ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ ์์ ์, ๋ชจ๋ ์ฌ๋๋ค์ด ์ฅ๋น ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ ์ค์ ํํฉ์ ๋ฐ์ํ์ง ์๋ ๊ฐํธ๋ ๋ฐ์ดํฐ๋ง ๊ณ์ ์ธ์ฉํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์์์ค๋ฝ๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. Roger Dassen ๋ค. |
I appreciate it, but I think we have the right follow-up actually. Michael Roeg Let's take it offline. Then two -- one tiny follow-up then, a whole different topic, that's on the -- you will no longer show the quarterly bookings is perhaps a 12-month rolling booking figure something that would be smoothing out all those lumpy intakes. Roger Dassen To be honest, I think a backlog per annum gets you awfully close to that, right? Because if you have the backlog and you have the SIG numbers for the quarter, I think it doesn't take you too much to kind of recalculate that. So I think by [indiscernible]. Michael Roeg We will only see it once a year, don't we? Roger Dassen Yes, you do. | ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค๋ง, ์ ๊ฐ ์๊ฐํ๊ธฐ์ ์ ์ ํ ํ์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. Michael Roeg ๊ทธ ๋ถ๋ถ์ ์คํ๋ผ์ธ์ผ๋ก ๋ ผ์ํ๋๋ก ํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์์ ํ์ ์ง๋ฌธ ํ๋๊ฐ ์๋๋ฐ์, ์์ ํ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์ฃผ์ ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ณ ์์ฃผ ์ค์ ์ ๋ ์ด์ ๊ณต๊ฐํ์ง ์์ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ํ์ จ๋๋ฐ, ํน์ 12๊ฐ์ ์ฐ์ ์์ฃผ ์ค์ ์์น๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ฌ์ฃผ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋ถ๊ท์นํ ์์ฃผ ๋ณ๋์ ์ํํ ์ ์์ง ์์๊น์? Roger Dassen ์์งํ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ์ฐ๊ฐ ์์ฃผ์๊ณ ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์๋ฉด ๊ทธ์ ๊ฑฐ์ ๋น์ทํ ์ ๋ณด๋ฅผ ์ป์ผ์ค ์ ์๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ์์ฃผ์๊ณ ๊ฐ ์๊ณ ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ณ SIG ์์น๊ฐ ์๋ค๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ๋ค์ ๊ณ์ฐํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ ์ด๋ ต์ง ์์ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ์ ๊ฐ ์๊ฐํ๊ธฐ์๋ [์ฒญ์ทจ๋ถ๊ฐ]. Michael Roeg ํ์ง๋ง ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ์ผ ๋ ์ ํ ๋ฒ๋ง ๋ณด๊ฒ ๋๋ ๊ฒ ์๋๊ฐ์? Roger Dassen ๋ค, ๋ง์ต๋๋ค. |
Yes, yes. And I think as I explained before, we believe that's an important data point for you, and it's good enough. Michael Roeg We'll take it offline, and the more questions about these slides will be in the next quarter and the one after because I've got many questions. Jim Kavanagh Okay. We've got time for one last question. If you've been unable to get through on this call and still have questions, please feel free to contact ASML Investor Relations with your questions. Now operator, can we have the last caller, please? Operator Thank you. Your last question today comes from the line of Sandeep Deshpande from JPMorgan. Please go ahead. Sandeep Deshpande Hi, good afternoon. | ๋ค, ๋ค. ์ ๊ฐ ์ด์ ์ ์ค๋ช
๋๋ฆฐ ๋๋ก, ์ ํฌ๋ ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ด ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ๊ป ์ค์ํ ๋ฐ์ดํฐ ํฌ์ธํธ๋ผ๊ณ ์๊ฐํ๋ฉฐ, ๊ทธ ์ ๋๋ฉด ์ถฉ๋ถํฉ๋๋ค. Michael Roeg ์ด ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋์ ๋ํด์๋ ์คํ๋ผ์ธ์ผ๋ก ๋ ผ์ํ๋๋ก ํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ค์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๊ทธ ๋ค์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๋ ๋ง์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ด ์์ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ๋ค์, ์ ๊ฐ ์ง๋ฌธ์ด ๋ง๊ฑฐ๋ ์. Jim Kavanagh ์ข์ต๋๋ค. ๋ง์ง๋ง ์ง๋ฌธ ํ๋๋ฅผ ๋ ๋ฐ๋๋ก ํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฒ ์ฝ์์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ํ์ง ๋ชปํ์ จ์ง๋ง ์ฌ์ ํ ๊ถ๊ธํ ์ ์ด ์์ผ์ ๋ถ๋ค์ ASML ํฌ์์๊ด๊ณํ์ผ๋ก ์ฐ๋ฝ ์ฃผ์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค. ์ด์ ์คํผ๋ ์ดํฐ๋, ๋ง์ง๋ง ๋ฐ์ธ์๋ฅผ ์ฐ๊ฒฐํด ์ฃผ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๊น? Operator ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์ค๋ ๋ง์ง๋ง ์ง๋ฌธ์ JP๋ชจ๊ฑด์ Sandeep Deshpande๋์ด ํ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์ญ์์ค. Sandeep Deshpande ์๋ ํ์ธ์, ์ข์ ์คํ์ ๋๋ค. |
And thanks for letting me on. I have a quick question as a follow-up on High NA. Christophe, you talked to a response to earlier question that you will know in 12 months to 18 months the timing of the insertion of High NA. But in terms of your backlog, I believe you already do have High NA tools in your backlog for shipment in 2026. So how do you put the 2 and 2 together that you will know whether the customer is going to use these tools in high-volume manufacturing only later in the year or next year, but you're already possibly building these tools for the customer? | ๋ค, ์ง๋ฌธํด ์ฃผ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. High NA์ ๊ด๋ จํ์ฌ ํ์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ ํฉ๋๋ค. Christophe๋, ์์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋ํ ๋ต๋ณ์์ High NA์ ๋์ ์๊ธฐ๋ ํฅํ 12๊ฐ์์์ 18๊ฐ์ ๋ด์ ์ ์ ์์ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ๋ง์ํ์ จ์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ๋ฐฑ๋ก๊ทธ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ด๋ฏธ 2026๋ ์ถํ ์์ ์ธ High NA ์ฅ๋น๋ค์ด ํฌํจ๋์ด ์๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ ๋ค๋ฉด ์ด ๋ ๊ฐ์ง๋ฅผ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์ฐ๊ฒฐ์์ผ ์ดํดํด์ผ ํ ๊น์? ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๊ฐ ๋๋ ์์ฐ์ ์ด ์ฅ๋น๋ค์ ์ฌ์ฉํ ์ง ์ฌ๋ถ๋ ์ฌํด ๋ง์ด๋ ๋ด๋ ์๋ ์ ์ ์๋ค๊ณ ํ์ จ๋๋ฐ, ์ด๋ฏธ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ฅผ ์ํด ์ด๋ฌํ ์ฅ๋น๋ค์ ์ ์ํ๊ณ ๊ณ์ ๋ค๋ ์ ์ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์ค๋ช ํ์ค ์ ์์๊น์? |
So is there a risk to the customer first at the end of the year that, well, actually, we're not going to implement the tools into production next year, and then that these orders don't happen in 2026, which are there in the backlog today? Christophe Fouquet Well, I think -- so you mentioned the backlog, and that indeed in our backlog, we have quite a few tools that are not NXE:5000, which was a tool basically plan for R&D. So indeed, our customers have upfront already ordered some 5200, which are tools intended to be used in high-volume manufacturing. So it means that the logic of insertion has been there for quite a while. | ๋ค, ์ฐ๋ง์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ด "์ค์ ๋ก ๋ด๋
์๋ ์ฅ๋น๋ฅผ ์์ฐ์ ํฌ์
ํ์ง ์์ ๊ฒ์ด๊ณ , ํ์ฌ ์์ฃผ์๊ณ ์ ์๋ 2026๋
์ฃผ๋ฌธ์ด ์คํ๋์ง ์์ ์๋ ์๋ค"๋ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ๊ฐ ์๋์ง์ ๋ํด ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ํฌ๋ฆฌ์คํ ํ ํธ์ผ: ๊ธ์์, ์ ๊ฐ ์๊ฐํ๊ธฐ์๋ - ๋ง์ํ์ ์์ฃผ์๊ณ ์ ๋ํด ์ธ๊ธํ์๋ฉด, ์ค์ ๋ก ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ์์ฃผ์๊ณ ์๋ R&D์ฉ์ผ๋ก ๊ณํ๋ NXE:5000์ด ์๋ ์ฅ๋น๋ค์ด ์๋น์ ํฌํจ๋์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ค์ ๋ก ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ ์ด๋ฏธ ๊ณ ์ฉ๋ ์์ฐ์ ์ฌ์ฉ๋ ๋ชฉ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ค๊ณ๋ 5200 ๋ชจ๋ธ์ ์ ์ฃผ๋ฌธํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์์ฐ ํฌ์ ์ ๋ํ ๋ ผ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ด๋ฏธ ์ค๋์ ๋ถํฐ ์กด์ฌํด์๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ์๋ฏธํฉ๋๋ค. Note: I maintained key technical terms like "NXE:5000", "5200", "R&D", and "high-volume manufacturing" while ensuring the translation sounds natural and professional in Korean. The formal business tone of the original is preserved through appropriate honorific forms and business terminology in Korean. |
You start with R&D, then you plan for, I would say, a reasonable insertion. So those tools in the backlog are indeed going to support that. And I think we look at a few tools per customer, which are sufficient basically to start going. And that's what we call usually the first node insertion. And after that, of course, when we look at new booking on High NA, we'll be most probably looking at the bigger insertion in the node after that, which is a bit later. But the logic you describe is the logic customer put in place together with us already, in fact, a couple of years ago, and I think they are sticking to that logic today. | R&D๋ถํฐ ์์ํด์ ํฉ๋ฆฌ์ ์ธ ์์ค์ ์ฅ๋น ๋์ ์ ๊ณํํ๊ฒ ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ๋ฐฑ๋ก๊ทธ์ ์๋ ์ฅ๋น๋ค์ด ๋ฐ๋ก ์ด๋ฌํ ๊ณํ์ ๋ท๋ฐ์นจํ๊ฒ ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ณ๋ก ์ด๊ธฐ ๊ฐ๋์ ์ํด ํ์ํ ์์ค์ ๋ช ๋์ ์ฅ๋น๋ฅผ ๊ฒํ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ด ๋ฐ๋ก ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ผ๋ฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ฒซ ๋ ธ๋ ์ง์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ๋ถ๋ฅด๋ ๋จ๊ณ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ ์ดํ์๋ High NA ๊ด๋ จ ์ ๊ท ์ฃผ๋ฌธ์ ๊ฒํ ํ ๋, ์๋ง๋ ๊ทธ ๋ค์ ๋ ธ๋์์ ๋ ํฐ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ์ฅ๋น ๋์ ์ ๊ณ ๋ คํ๊ฒ ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ง์ํ์ ์ด๋ฌํ ๋ ผ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ฌ์ค ๋ช ๋ ์ ๋ถํฐ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ๋ค์ด ์ ํฌ์ ํจ๊ป ์๋ฆฝํด์จ ๋ฐฉ์์ด๋ฉฐ, ํ์ฌ๋ ์ด ๋ ผ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๊ทธ๋๋ก ๋ฐ๋ฅด๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. |
Sandeep Deshpande Okay, since you've run out of time, I will leave it at that. Thank you so much. Christophe Fouquet Thank you, Sandeep. Jim Kavanagh All right. So now on behalf of ASML, I would like to thank you all for joining us today. Operator, if you could formally close the call, that would be much appreciated. Operator Thank you. This concludes the ASML 2024 Fourth Quarter and Full Year Financial Results Conference Call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect. | Sandeep Deshpande ๋ค, ์๊ฐ์ด ๋ค ๋์์ผ๋ ์ฌ๊ธฐ์ ๋ง๋ฌด๋ฆฌํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋๋จํ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. Christophe Fouquet ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค, Sandeep๋. Jim Kavanagh ๋ค. ASML์ ๋ํํ์ฌ ์ค๋ ์ฐธ์ํด ์ฃผ์ ๋ชจ๋ ๋ถ๋ค๊ป ๊ฐ์ฌ๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. ์คํผ๋ ์ดํฐ๋, ๊ณต์์ ์ผ๋ก ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค ์ฝ์ ์ข ๋ฃํด ์ฃผ์๋ฉด ๊ฐ์ฌํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์คํผ๋ ์ดํฐ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ASML 2024๋ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ ์ฐ๊ฐ ์ค์ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค ์ฝ์ ๋ง์น๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐธ์ฌํด ์ฃผ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด์ ์ฐ๊ฒฐ์ ์ข ๋ฃํ์ค ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
Here's a summary of the key points from the earnings call transcript in Korean:
โข ์ค์ ๋ฐ ์ ๋ง:
- 2025๋
๋งค์ถ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ ์ค๊ฐ๊ฐ ๊ธฐ์ค ์ฝ 15% ์ฑ์ฅ ์ ๋ง
- EUV ์ฃผ๋ฌธ๋์ด 30์ต ์ ๋ก๋ก ๊ฐ์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์
- 2025๋
์ค๊ตญ ๋งค์ถ ๋น์ค์ 20% ์ด๋ฐ๋๋ก ์ ์ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์
โข AI ๊ด๋ จ ๋ํฅ:
- AI ์์ ์ฆ๊ฐ๋ก ์ฒจ๋จ ๋ก์ง ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ด ์ฑ์ฅ์ ์ฃผ๋
- 2๋๋
ธ ๊ณต์ ์ ํ์ด 2025-2027๋
์ ๊ฑธ์ณ ์งํ๋ ์ ๋ง
- ํด๋ฆฐ๋ฃธ ๊ณต๊ฐ ํ๋ณด ์ฌ๋ถ๊ฐ ์ถ๊ฐ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๊ด๊ฑด
โข ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ ์์ธ:
- ์ง์ ํ์ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ์ ์์ถ ํต์ ์ํฅ ์ง์
- ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ์ ํฌ์ ์ผ์ ์กฐ์ ๊ฐ๋ฅ์ฑ ์กด์ฌ
- ๋ฉ๋ชจ๋ฆฌ ์์ฅ์ HBM ์์ ์ธ ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ์๋งํ ํ๋ณต์ธ
โข ์ ๋ต์ ๋ณํ:
- ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ณ ์์ฃผ ๊ณต๊ฐ๋ฅผ ์ค๋จํ๊ณ ์ฐ๊ฐ ๋ฐฑ๋ก๊ทธ๋ง ๊ณต๊ฐํ๊ธฐ๋ก ๊ฒฐ์
- ์ฅ๊ธฐ ๋ถํ ํ๋ณด์ ์์ฐ๋ฅ๋ ฅ ์ ์ฐ์ฑ ํ๋ณด์ ์ฃผ๋ ฅ