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๐Ÿ“„ Earnings Call Transcript ๋ฒˆ์—ญ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ

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AGNC Investment Corp.# AGNC ์ธ๋ฒ ์ŠคํŠธ๋จผํŠธ ์ฝ”ํผ๋ ˆ์ด์…˜

**AGNC Investment Corp. ์‹ค์  ๋ฐœํ‘œ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ**

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*์ฐธ๊ณ : ์‹ค์ œ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ ๋‚ด์šฉ์ด ์ œ๊ณต๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. AGNC Investment Corp.์˜ ์‹ค์  ๋ฐœํ‘œ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ ์›๋ฌธ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๋ฉด, ๊ธˆ์œต ์ „๋ฌธ ์šฉ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ํ•œ๊ตญ์–ด๋กœ ๋ฒˆ์—ญํ•ด ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.*

**๋ฒˆ์—ญ ์‹œ ์œ ์ง€๋  ์ฃผ์š” ๊ธˆ์œต ์šฉ์–ด ์˜ˆ์‹œ:**
- Mortgage-Backed Securities (MBS) โ†’ ์ฃผํƒ์ €๋‹น์ฆ๊ถŒ(MBS)
- Agency MBS โ†’ ์ •๋ถ€๊ธฐ๊ด€ MBS
- Net Interest Margin โ†’ ์ˆœ์ด์ž๋งˆ์ง„
- Book Value per Share โ†’ ์ฃผ๋‹น ์ˆœ์ž์‚ฐ๊ฐ€์น˜
- Dividend โ†’ ๋ฐฐ๋‹น๊ธˆ
- Portfolio Duration โ†’ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค ๋“€๋ ˆ์ด์…˜
- Leverage Ratio โ†’ ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€ ๋น„์œจ
- Prepayment Speed โ†’ ์กฐ๊ธฐ์ƒํ™˜์†๋„
- Hedging Strategy โ†’ ํ—ค์ง€ ์ „๋žต

์›๋ฌธ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๋ฉด ์ „๋ฌธ์ ์ด๊ณ  ์ •ํ™•ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ด ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
(AGNC) Q4 2025 Earnings Call January 27, 2026 8:30 AM EST

Company Participants

Katie Wisecarver - Vice President of Investor Relations
Peter Federico - President, CEO & Director and Chief Investment Officer
Bernice Bell - Executive VP & CFO

Conference Call Participants

Bose George - Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division
Douglas Harter - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division
Crispin Love - Piper Sandler & Co., Research Division
Trevor Cranston - Citizens JMP Securities, LLC, Research Division
Jason Stewart - Compass Point Research & Trading, LLC, Research Division
Richard Shane - JPMorgan Chase & Co, Research Division
Eric Hagen - BTIG, LLC, Research Division
Harsh Hemnani - Green Street Advisors, LLC, Research Division

Presentation

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the AGNC Investment Corp's.
AGNC 2025๋…„ 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์‹ค์  ๋ฐœํ‘œ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ 2026๋…„ 1์›” 27์ผ ์˜ค์ „ 8์‹œ 30๋ถ„ (๋™๋ถ€ ํ‘œ์ค€์‹œ)

ํšŒ์‚ฌ ์ฐธ์„์ž

Katie Wisecarver - ํˆฌ์ž์ž ๊ด€๊ณ„ ๋‹ด๋‹น ๋ถ€์‚ฌ์žฅ
Peter Federico - ์‚ฌ์žฅ, CEO ๊ฒธ ์ด์‚ฌ ๋ฐ ์ตœ๊ณ ํˆฌ์ž์ฑ…์ž„์ž
Bernice Bell - ์ „๋ฌด์ด์‚ฌ ๊ฒธ CFO

์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ ์ฐธ์„ ์• ๋„๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ

Bose George - Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
Douglas Harter - UBS Investment Bank, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
Crispin Love - Piper Sandler & Co., ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
Trevor Cranston - Citizens JMP Securities, LLC, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
Jason Stewart - Compass Point Research & Trading, LLC, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
Richard Shane - JPMorgan Chase & Co, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
Eric Hagen - BTIG, LLC, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
Harsh Hemnani - Green Street Advisors, LLC, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ

๋ฐœํ‘œ

์šด์˜์ž

์ข‹์€ ์•„์นจ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. AGNC Investment Corp.์˜ ์‹ค์  ๋ฐœํ‘œ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ์— ์˜ค์‹  ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ™˜์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Fourth Quarter 2025 Shareholder Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Katie Wisecarver in Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Katie Wisecarver
Vice President of Investor Relations

Thank you all for joining AGNC Investment Corp.'s Fourth Quarter 2025 Earnings Call. Before we begin, I'd like to review the safe harbor statement. This conference call and corresponding slide presentation contains statements that, to the extent they are not recitations of historical fact, constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.
2025๋…„ 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์ฃผ์ฃผ ์ฝœ. [์šด์˜์ž ์•ˆ๋‚ด์‚ฌํ•ญ] ๋ณธ ํ–‰์‚ฌ๋Š” ๋…น์Œ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Œ์„ ์•Œ๋ ค๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ํˆฌ์ž์ž ๊ด€๊ณ„ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์˜ Katie Wisecarver์—๊ฒŒ ํšŒ์˜๋ฅผ ๋„˜๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

Katie Wisecarver
ํˆฌ์ž์ž ๊ด€๊ณ„ ๋‹ด๋‹น ๋ถ€์‚ฌ์žฅ

AGNC Investment Corp.์˜ 2025๋…„ 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์‹ค์  ๋ฐœํ‘œ ์ฝœ์— ์ฐธ์„ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ์•ž์„œ, ๋ฉด์ฑ… ์กฐํ•ญ(safe harbor statement)์„ ๊ฒ€ํ† ํ•˜๊ณ ์ž ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ณธ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ ๋ฐ ๊ด€๋ จ ์Šฌ๋ผ์ด๋“œ ํ”„๋ ˆ์  ํ…Œ์ด์…˜์—๋Š” ์—ญ์‚ฌ์  ์‚ฌ์‹ค์˜ ๋‹จ์ˆœ ๋‚˜์—ด์ด ์•„๋‹Œ ๋ฒ”์œ„ ๋‚ด์—์„œ, 1995๋…„ ์ฆ๊ถŒ์†Œ์†ก๊ฐœํ˜๋ฒ•(Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995)์˜ ์˜๋ฏธ ๋‚ด์—์„œ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์˜ˆ์ธก์ง„์ˆ (forward-looking statements)์— ํ•ด๋‹นํ•˜๋Š” ๋‚ด์šฉ์ด ํฌํ•จ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
All such forward-looking statements are intended to be subject to the safe harbor protection provided by the Reform Act. Actual outcomes and results could differ materially from those forecasts due to the impact of many factors beyond the control of AGNC. All forward-looking statements included in this presentation are made only as of the date of this presentation and are subject to change without notice. Certain factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in the forward-looking statements are included in AGNC's periodic reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Copies are available on the SEC's website at sec.gov.๋ชจ๋“  ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์˜ˆ์ธก์ง„์ˆ ์€ ๊ฐœํ˜๋ฒ•(Reform Act)์ด ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š” ์•ˆ์ „ํ•ญ ์กฐํ•ญ(safe harbor protection)์˜ ์ ์šฉ์„ ๋ฐ›๊ณ ์ž ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹ค์ œ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ ๋ฐ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋Š” AGNC์˜ ํ†ต์ œ ๋ฒ”์œ„๋ฅผ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚œ ๋งŽ์€ ์š”์ธ๋“ค์˜ ์˜ํ–ฅ์œผ๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์˜ˆ์ธก๊ณผ ์‹ค์งˆ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ณธ ํ”„๋ ˆ์  ํ…Œ์ด์…˜์— ํฌํ•จ๋œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์˜ˆ์ธก์ง„์ˆ ์€ ๋ณธ ํ”„๋ ˆ์  ํ…Œ์ด์…˜ ์ผ์ž๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ๋งŒ ์ž‘์„ฑ๋˜์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ๋ณ„๋„์˜ ํ†ต์ง€ ์—†์ด ๋ณ€๊ฒฝ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹ค์ œ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์˜ˆ์ธก์ง„์ˆ ์— ํฌํ•จ๋œ ๋‚ด์šฉ๊ณผ ์‹ค์งˆ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‹ฌ๋ผ์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ํŠน์ • ์š”์ธ๋“ค์€ AGNC๊ฐ€ ์ฆ๊ถŒ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜์œ„์›ํšŒ(Securities and Exchange Commission)์— ์ œ์ถœํ•œ ์ •๊ธฐ ๋ณด๊ณ ์„œ์— ํฌํ•จ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ๋ณธ์€ SEC ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ sec.gov์—์„œ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
We disclaim any obligation to update our forward-looking statements unless required by law. Participants on the call include Peter Federico, President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer; Bernie Bell, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; and Sean Reid, Executive Vice President, Strategy and Corporate Development. With that, I'll turn the call over to Peter Federico. Peter Federico
President, CEO & Director and Chief Investment Officer

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our fourth quarter earnings conference call. 2025 was an exceptional year for AGNC shareholders.
๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์žฌ๋ฌด ์‹ค์  ๋ฐœํ‘œ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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๋‹น์‚ฌ๋Š” ๋ฒ•๋ฅ ์—์„œ ์š”๊ตฌํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ํ•œ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์˜ˆ์ธก์ง„์ˆ ์„ ์—…๋ฐ์ดํŠธํ•  ์˜๋ฌด๋ฅผ ๋ถ€์ธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ณธ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ ์ฐธ์„์ž๋กœ๋Š” ํ”ผํ„ฐ ํŽ˜๋ฐ๋ฆฌ์ฝ”(Peter Federico) ์‚ฌ์žฅ ๊ฒธ ์ตœ๊ณ ๊ฒฝ์˜์ž(CEO) ๊ฒธ ์ตœ๊ณ ํˆฌ์ž์ฑ…์ž„์ž(CIO), ๋ฒ„๋‹ˆ ๋ฒจ(Bernie Bell) ์ „๋ฌด์ด์‚ฌ ๊ฒธ ์ตœ๊ณ ์žฌ๋ฌด์ฑ…์ž„์ž(CFO), ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์…˜ ๋ฆฌ๋“œ(Sean Reid) ์ „๋ฌด์ด์‚ฌ ๊ฒธ ์ „๋žต ๋ฐ ๊ธฐ์—…๊ฐœ๋ฐœ ๋‹ด๋‹น์ด ํ•จ๊ป˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ํ”ผํ„ฐ ํŽ˜๋ฐ๋ฆฌ์ฝ” ์‚ฌ์žฅ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ง์”€์„ ๋„˜๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

**ํ”ผํ„ฐ ํŽ˜๋ฐ๋ฆฌ์ฝ”**
์‚ฌ์žฅ, CEO ๊ฒธ ์ตœ๊ณ ํˆฌ์ž์ฑ…์ž„์ž

์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ. AGNC์˜ 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์‹ค์  ๋ฐœํ‘œ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 2025๋…„์€ AGNC ์ฃผ์ฃผ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๊ป˜ ๋งค์šฐ ํƒ์›”ํ•œ ํ•œ ํ•ด์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
AGNC's 11.6% economic return in the fourth quarter drove our impressive full year economic return of 22.7%. Even more noteworthy, AGNC's total stock return in 2025 was 34.8% with dividends reinvested, nearly double the performance of the S&P 500. This outstanding performance on an absolute and relative basis clearly demonstrates the value of AGNC's actively managed portfolio of agency mortgage-backed securities and associated hedges. Looking back, we were confident that AGNC was on the forefront of a uniquely positive investment environment as the Fed's unprecedented tightening cycle of 2022 and 2023, reached its conclusion.AGNC์˜ 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๊ฒฝ์ œ์  ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ  11.6%๋Š” ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ๊ฒฝ์ œ์  ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ  22.7%๋ผ๋Š” ์ธ์ƒ์ ์ธ ์‹ค์ ์„ ๊ฒฌ์ธํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”์šฑ ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ•  ๋งŒํ•œ ์ ์€, ๋ฐฐ๋‹น๊ธˆ ์žฌํˆฌ์ž ๊ธฐ์ค€ AGNC์˜ 2025๋…„ ์ด ์ฃผ์‹ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์ด 34.8%๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ•˜์—ฌ S&P 500 ๋Œ€๋น„ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋‘ ๋ฐฐ์— ๋‹ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ฑฐ๋‘์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ ˆ๋Œ€์  ๋ฐ ์ƒ๋Œ€์  ๊ธฐ์ค€์˜ ํƒ์›”ํ•œ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋Š” AGNC์˜ ์ ๊ทน์ ์œผ๋กœ ์šด์šฉ๋˜๋Š” ์—์ด์ „์‹œ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€๋‹ด๋ณด๋ถ€์ฆ๊ถŒ(MBS) ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์™€ ๊ด€๋ จ ํ—ค์ง€ ์ „๋žต์˜ ๊ฐ€์น˜๋ฅผ ๋ช…ํ™•ํžˆ ์ž…์ฆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋Œ์ด์ผœ๋ณด๋ฉด, 2022๋…„๊ณผ 2023๋…„ ์—ฐ์ค€์˜ ์ „๋ก€ ์—†๋Š” ๊ธด์ถ• ์‚ฌ์ดํด์ด ๋งˆ๋ฌด๋ฆฌ ๋‹จ๊ณ„์— ์ ‘์–ด๋“ค๋ฉด์„œ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” AGNC๊ฐ€ ๋…ํŠนํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ํˆฌ์ž ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์˜ ์ตœ์ „์„ ์— ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ํ™•์‹ ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
On our third quarter earnings call in 2023, we expressed our belief that a durable and attractive investment environment for AGNC was emerging as mortgage spreads began to stabilize at historically attractive return levels. That outlook proved to be correct. And in the 9 quarters since that call and despite several episodes of extreme market turbulence, AGNC has generated an economic return of 50% for its shareholders, comprised of a 10% increase in book value and monthly dividends totaling $3.24 per share. Moreover, during that same time period, AGNC shareholders have experienced a total stock return of nearly 60% or 23% on an annualized basis.2023๋…„ 3๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์‹ค์  ๋ฐœํ‘œ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ์—์„œ ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ์—ญ์‚ฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ  ์ˆ˜์ค€์—์„œ ์•ˆ์ •ํ™”๋˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ AGNC์— ์ง€์† ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•˜๊ณ  ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ํˆฌ์ž ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์ด ์กฐ์„ฑ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ฏฟ์Œ์„ ํ‘œ๋ช…ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์ „๋ง์€ ์ •ํ™•ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ ์ดํ›„ 9๊ฐœ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋™์•ˆ, ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ฐจ๋ก€์˜ ๊ทน์‹ฌํ•œ ์‹œ์žฅ ํ˜ผ๋ž€์—๋„ ๋ถˆ๊ตฌํ•˜๊ณ , AGNC๋Š” ์ฃผ์ฃผ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ 50%์˜ ๊ฒฝ์ œ์  ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์„ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” 10%์˜ ์žฅ๋ถ€๊ฐ€์น˜ ์ฆ๊ฐ€์™€ ์ฃผ๋‹น ์ด 3.24๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ์›”๋ณ„ ๋ฐฐ๋‹น๊ธˆ์œผ๋กœ ๊ตฌ์„ฑ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”์šฑ์ด ๋™์ผํ•œ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ AGNC ์ฃผ์ฃผ๋“ค์€ ๊ฑฐ์˜ 60%์˜ ์ด ์ฃผ์‹ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ , ์ฆ‰ ์—ฐํ™˜์‚ฐ 23%์˜ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์„ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And finally, since inception, AGNC has generated a total stock return of over 11% on an annualized basis with dividends reinvested, demonstrating the long-term benefit of investing in this unique fixed income asset class and the durability of our business model across a wide range of market environments. Turning back to 2025, the Bloomberg Aggregate Agency Index was the best-performing fixed income sector in the fourth quarter, and for the year, produced a total return of 8.6%. Also noteworthy, given the similar credit quality, the Agency Index outperformed the Treasury Index by 2.3 percentage points or 36% in 2025.๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์œผ๋กœ, ์„ค๋ฆฝ ์ดํ›„ AGNC๋Š” ๋ฐฐ๋‹น๊ธˆ ์žฌํˆฌ์ž ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ์—ฐํ‰๊ท  11% ์ด์ƒ์˜ ์ด ์ฃผ์‹ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์„ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ์ด ๋…ํŠนํ•œ ์ฑ„๊ถŒ ์ž์‚ฐ๊ตฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํˆฌ์ž์˜ ์žฅ๊ธฐ์  ์ด์ ๊ณผ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์‹œ์žฅ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค ๋ชจ๋ธ์˜ ์ง€์†๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์„ ์ž…์ฆํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 2025๋…„์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์„œ, ๋ธ”๋ฃธ๋ฒ„๊ทธ ์ข…ํ•ฉ ์—์ด์ „์‹œ ์ง€์ˆ˜๋Š” 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์šฐ์ˆ˜ํ•œ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ธ ์ฑ„๊ถŒ ์„นํ„ฐ์˜€์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ 8.6%์˜ ์ด ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์„ ๊ธฐ๋กํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ•  ๋งŒํ•œ ์ ์€, ์œ ์‚ฌํ•œ ์‹ ์šฉ ๋“ฑ๊ธ‰์„ ๊ฐ์•ˆํ•  ๋•Œ ์—์ด์ „์‹œ ์ง€์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ 2025๋…„์— ๊ตญ์ฑ„ ์ง€์ˆ˜๋ฅผ 2.3%ํฌ์ธํŠธ, ์ฆ‰ 36% ์ดˆ๊ณผ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
As I discussed throughout the year, the favorable performance of Agency MBS was driven by a confluence of positive factors. First, the Fed shifted its monetary policy stance toward lower short-term rates and greater accommodation, a promising development for all fixed income assets. The Fed also transitioned its balance sheet activity from quantitative tightening to reserve management. Second, interest rate volatility trended lower throughout the year due to the shift in monetary policy, greater fiscal policy clarity and a stable supply outlook for treasury securities which included a greater share of short-term debt.์ œ๊ฐ€ ์—ฐ์ค‘ ๋‚ด๋‚ด ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฐ ๋ฐ”์™€ ๊ฐ™์ด, ์—์ด์ „์‹œ MBS์˜ ์šฐํ˜ธ์ ์ธ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ธ์ •์  ์š”์ธ๋“ค์ด ๊ฒฐํ•ฉ๋œ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฒซ์งธ, ์—ฐ์ค€์ด ํ†ตํ™”์ •์ฑ… ๊ธฐ์กฐ๋ฅผ ๋‹จ๊ธฐ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ์ธํ•˜์™€ ์™„ํ™” ํ™•๋Œ€ ์ชฝ์œผ๋กœ ์ „ํ™˜ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ด๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์ฑ„๊ถŒ ์ž์‚ฐ์— ์žˆ์–ด ๊ณ ๋ฌด์ ์ธ ๋ฐœ์ „์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฐ์ค€์€ ๋˜ํ•œ ๋Œ€์ฐจ๋Œ€์กฐํ‘œ ์šด์šฉ์„ ์–‘์ ๊ธด์ถ•์—์„œ ์ง€์ค€๊ธˆ ๊ด€๋ฆฌ๋กœ ์ „ํ™˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‘˜์งธ, ํ†ตํ™”์ •์ฑ…์˜ ์ „ํ™˜, ์žฌ์ •์ •์ฑ…์˜ ๋ช…ํ™•์„ฑ ์ œ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹จ๊ธฐ ๊ตญ์ฑ„ ๋น„์ค‘์ด ํ™•๋Œ€๋œ ์•ˆ์ •์ ์ธ ๊ตญ์ฑ„ ๊ณต๊ธ‰ ์ „๋ง์— ํž˜์ž…์–ด ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ๋ณ€๋™์„ฑ์ด ์—ฐ์ค‘ ๋‚ด๋‚ด ํ•˜๋ฝ ์ถ”์„ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Lastly, the uncertainty and potential risks associated with GSE reform that adversely impacted the agency market early in the year, gradually dissipated as the Treasury Department and other officials communicated and approached to GSE reform that focused on reducing the spread on agency mortgage-backed securities, maintaining mortgage market stability and improving housing affordability. Collectively, these factors, combined with the sizable purchase of MBS by the GSEs later in the year, caused spreads to tighten and drove the substantial outperformance of Agency MBS relative to other fixed income asset classes.๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์œผ๋กœ, ์—ฐ์ดˆ ์—์ด์ „์‹œ ์‹œ์žฅ์— ๋ถ€์ •์ ์ธ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์ณค๋˜ GSE ๊ฐœํ˜๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ๋ถˆํ™•์‹ค์„ฑ๊ณผ ์ž ์žฌ์  ๋ฆฌ์Šคํฌ๋Š” ์žฌ๋ฌด๋ถ€์™€ ๊ธฐํƒ€ ๊ด€๊ณ„์ž๋“ค์ด ์—์ด์ „์‹œ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€๋‹ด๋ณด๋ถ€์ฆ๊ถŒ์˜ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ์ถ•์†Œ, ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์‹œ์žฅ ์•ˆ์ •์„ฑ ์œ ์ง€, ์ฃผํƒ ๊ตฌ๋งค๋ ฅ ๊ฐœ์„ ์— ์ดˆ์ ์„ ๋งž์ถ˜ GSE ๊ฐœํ˜ ๋ฐฉ์•ˆ์„ ๋ฐœํ‘œํ•˜๊ณ  ์ถ”์ง„ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์ ์ฐจ ํ•ด์†Œ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์š”์ธ๋“ค์ด ์—ฐ๋ง GSE์˜ ๋Œ€๊ทœ๋ชจ MBS ๋งค์ž…๊ณผ ๊ฒฐํ•ฉ๋˜๋ฉด์„œ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ์ถ•์†Œ๋˜์—ˆ๊ณ , ์—์ด์ „์‹œ MBS๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ฑ„๊ถŒ ์ž์‚ฐ๊ตฐ ๋Œ€๋น„ ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ์ดˆ๊ณผ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋กœ ์ด์–ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
As we begin 2026, these favorable macro themes remain in place and provide a constructive investment backdrop for our business. In addition, other positive developments are possible including further actions by the administration to improve housing affordability. The recent $200 billion MBS purchase announcement is a good example of the type of action that could result in tighter mortgage spreads and lower mortgage rates. The funding market for Agency MBS has also improved in response to the Fed increasing the size of its balance sheet and improving the functionality of its standing repo program.2026๋…„์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ, ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์šฐํ˜ธ์ ์ธ ๊ฑฐ์‹œ๊ฒฝ์ œ ํ…Œ๋งˆ๋“ค์€ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์œ ํšจํ•˜๋ฉฐ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‚ฌ์—…์— ๊ฑด์„ค์ ์ธ ํˆฌ์ž ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ ์ฃผํƒ ๊ตฌ๋งค ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์„ ๊ฐœ์„ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ํ–‰์ •๋ถ€์˜ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ์กฐ์น˜๋ฅผ ํฌํ•จํ•œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ์ „๊ฐœ๋„ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ตœ๊ทผ ๋ฐœํ‘œ๋œ 2,000์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์˜ MBS ๋งค์ž…์€ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ์ถ•์†Œ์™€ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ์ธํ•˜๋กœ ์ด์–ด์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์กฐ์น˜์˜ ์ข‹์€ ์‚ฌ๋ก€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—์ด์ „์‹œ MBS์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ž๊ธˆ์กฐ๋‹ฌ ์‹œ์žฅ ๋˜ํ•œ ์—ฐ์ค€์ด ๋Œ€์ฐจ๋Œ€์กฐํ‘œ ๊ทœ๋ชจ๋ฅผ ํ™•๋Œ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ƒ์„ค ํ™˜๋งค์กฐ๊ฑด๋ถ€์ฑ„๊ถŒ(repo) ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์˜ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ์„ ๊ฐœ์„ ํ•จ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๊ฐœ์„ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
The Fed is also considering other actions to further improve the utility of the standing repo program, which if implemented would be highly beneficial to the Agency MBS market. Finally, the supply and demand outlook for agency MBS remains well balanced. At current rate levels, the net new supply of Agency MBS this year is expected to be about $200 billion. When combined with the Fed's runoff, the private sector will have to absorb about $400 billion of MBS in 2026, an amount similar to the previous 2 years.์—ฐ์ค€์€ ๋˜ํ•œ ์ƒ์„ค ํ™˜๋งค์กฐ๊ฑด๋ถ€์ฑ„๊ถŒ(repo) ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์˜ ์œ ์šฉ์„ฑ์„ ๋”์šฑ ๊ฐœ์„ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์กฐ์น˜๋“ค์„ ๊ฒ€ํ† ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์‹œํ–‰๋  ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์—์ด์ „์‹œ MBS ์‹œ์žฅ์— ๋งค์šฐ ์œ ์ตํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์œผ๋กœ, ์—์ด์ „์‹œ MBS์˜ ์ˆ˜๊ธ‰ ์ „๋ง์€ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๊ท ํ˜•์„ ์ž˜ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ์ˆ˜์ค€์—์„œ ์˜ฌํ•ด ์—์ด์ „์‹œ MBS์˜ ์ˆœ์‹ ๊ทœ ๊ณต๊ธ‰์€ ์•ฝ 2,000์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฐ์ค€์˜ ๋งŒ๊ธฐ๋„๋ž˜๋ถ„๊ณผ ํ•ฉ์น˜๋ฉด, ๋ฏผ๊ฐ„ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์€ 2026๋…„์— ์•ฝ 4,000์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ MBS๋ฅผ ํก์ˆ˜ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ด๋Š” ์ง€๋‚œ 2๋…„๊ณผ ์œ ์‚ฌํ•œ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
On the demand side of the equation, however, the investor base today is more diversified and positioned to expand with GSE purchases potentially consuming about half of this year's supply. At the same time, bank, money manager, foreign investor and REIT demand should all remain strong. Pulling this all together, the underlying fundamental and technical backdrop for Agency mortgage-backed securities continues to be favorable and supportive of our positive outlook. Moreover, as the largest pure-play agency mortgage REIT, we believe AGNC is very well positioned to generate compelling risk-adjusted returns with a substantial yield component for our shareholders.์ˆ˜์š” ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ํ˜„์žฌ ํˆฌ์ž์ž ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜์€ ๋”์šฑ ๋‹ค๋ณ€ํ™”๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ํ™•๋Œ€๋  ์—ฌ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. GSE(์ •๋ถ€์ง€์›๊ธฐ์—…)์˜ ๋งค์ž…์ด ์˜ฌํ•ด ๊ณต๊ธ‰๋Ÿ‰์˜ ์•ฝ ์ ˆ๋ฐ˜์„ ์†Œํ™”ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋™์‹œ์— ์€ํ–‰, ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ์‚ฌ, ์™ธ๊ตญ์ธ ํˆฌ์ž์ž, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฆฌ์ธ ์˜ ์ˆ˜์š”๋„ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ฒฌ์กฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์œ ์ง€๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข…ํ•ฉํ•ด ๋ณผ ๋•Œ, ์—์ด์ „์‹œ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€๋‹ด๋ณด๋ถ€์ฆ๊ถŒ(Agency MBS)์˜ ๊ทผ๋ณธ์ ์ธ ํŽ€๋”๋ฉ˜ํ„ธ๊ณผ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์  ๋ฐฐ๊ฒฝ์€ ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ์šฐํ˜ธ์ ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ์ „๋ง์„ ๋’ท๋ฐ›์นจํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”์šฑ์ด, ์ตœ๋Œ€ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์˜ ์ˆœ์ˆ˜ ์—์ด์ „์‹œ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ๋ฆฌ์ธ ๋กœ์„œ, AGNC๋Š” ์ฃผ์ฃผ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๊ป˜ ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ  ์š”์†Œ๋ฅผ ํฌํ•จํ•œ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ์œ„ํ—˜์กฐ์ •์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์„ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ์œ ๋ฆฌํ•œ ์œ„์น˜์— ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
With that, I'll now turn the call over to Bernie Bell to discuss our financial performance. Bernice Bell
Executive VP & CFO

Thank you, Peter. For the fourth quarter, AGNC reported comprehensive income of $0.89 per common share. Our economic return on tangible common equity was 11.6% for the quarter, consisting of $0.36 of dividends declared per common share and a $0.60 increase in tangible net book value per share driven by lower interest rate volatility and tighter mortgage spreads to benchmark interest rates.
์ด์ œ ์žฌ๋ฌด ์„ฑ๊ณผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋…ผ์˜ํ•  ๋ฒ„๋‹ˆ์Šค ๋ฒจ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฐœ์–ธ๊ถŒ์„ ๋„˜๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ฒ„๋‹ˆ์Šค ๋ฒจ
์ „๋ฌด์ด์‚ฌ ๊ฒธ CFO

๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ํ”ผํ„ฐ. 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— AGNC๋Š” ๋ณดํ†ต์ฃผ๋‹น 0.89๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ํฌ๊ด„์†์ต์„ ๋ณด๊ณ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์œ ํ˜• ๋ณดํ†ต์ฃผ์ž๋ณธ ๊ฒฝ์ œ์  ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์€ 11.6%์˜€์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Š” ๋ณดํ†ต์ฃผ๋‹น 0.36๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ๋ฐฐ๋‹น๊ธˆ ์„ ์–ธ๊ณผ ์ฃผ๋‹น ์œ ํ˜•์ˆœ์žฅ๋ถ€๊ฐ€์น˜ 0.60๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ฆ๊ฐ€๋กœ ๊ตฌ์„ฑ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ฆ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ๋ณ€๋™์„ฑ ๊ฐ์†Œ์™€ ๊ธฐ์ค€๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ๋Œ€๋น„ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ์ถ•์†Œ์— ๊ธฐ์ธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
As Peter mentioned, our full year economic return was 22.7%, reflecting our monthly dividend totaling $1.44 per common share and a $0.47 increase in tangible net book value per share. As of late last week, our tangible net book value per common share was up about 4% for January or 3% net of our monthly dividend accrual. We ended the fourth quarter with leverage of 7.2x tangible equity, down from 7.6x at the end of the third quarter. Average leverage for the fourth quarter was 7.4x compared to 7.5x in the third quarter. In addition, we concluded the quarter with a very strong liquidity position of $7.6 billion in cash and unencumbered Agency MBS, representing 64% of tangible equity.ํ”ผํ„ฐ๊ฐ€ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•œ ๋ฐ”์™€ ๊ฐ™์ด, ๋‹น์‚ฌ์˜ ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ๊ฒฝ์ œ์  ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์€ 22.7%๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ๋ณดํ†ต์ฃผ๋‹น ์ด 1.44๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ์›”๋ณ„ ๋ฐฐ๋‹น๊ธˆ๊ณผ ์ฃผ๋‹น ์œ ํ˜•์ˆœ์ž์‚ฐ๊ฐ€์น˜ 0.47๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ฆ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ฐ˜์˜ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€๋‚œ์ฃผ ๋ง ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ๋ณดํ†ต์ฃผ๋‹น ์œ ํ˜•์ˆœ์ž์‚ฐ๊ฐ€์น˜๋Š” 1์›” ํ•œ ๋‹ฌ ๋™์•ˆ ์•ฝ 4% ์ƒ์Šนํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์›”๋ณ„ ๋ฐฐ๋‹น๊ธˆ ์ ๋ฆฝ์•ก์„ ์ฐจ๊ฐํ•˜๋ฉด ์ˆœ 3% ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋ง ๊ธฐ์ค€ ๋‹น์‚ฌ์˜ ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€๋Š” ์œ ํ˜•์ž๊ธฐ์ž๋ณธ ๋Œ€๋น„ 7.2๋ฐฐ๋กœ, 3๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋ง 7.6๋ฐฐ์—์„œ ๊ฐ์†Œํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ํ‰๊ท  ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€๋Š” 7.4๋ฐฐ๋กœ 3๋ถ„๊ธฐ์˜ 7.5๋ฐฐ์™€ ๋น„๊ต๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋ง ํ˜„๊ธˆ ๋ฐ ๋ฌด๋‹ด๋ณด ์—์ด์ „์‹œ MBS 76์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋กœ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ์œ ๋™์„ฑ ํฌ์ง€์…˜์„ ์œ ์ง€ํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Š” ์œ ํ˜•์ž๊ธฐ์ž๋ณธ์˜ 64%์— ํ•ด๋‹นํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Net spread and dollar roll income was unchanged for the quarter at $0.35 per common share, which includes $0.01 per share of expense related to year-end incentive compensation accrual adjustments. An important driver of our net spread and dollar roll income is the level of unhedged short-term debt in our funding mix as well as the composition of our hedge portfolio. As of the end of the fourth quarter, our hedge ratio was 77%, reflecting the level of swap and treasury hedges relative to total funding liabilities and was unchanged from the prior quarter. At the same time, during the fourth quarter, we opportunistically shifted our hedge mix toward a greater proportion of interest rate swaps.์ˆœ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ๋ฐ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋กค ์ˆ˜์ต์€ ์ „ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ์™€ ๋™์ผํ•œ ๋ณดํ†ต์ฃผ๋‹น 0.35๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ์—ฐ๋ง ์„ฑ๊ณผ๊ธ‰ ์ ๋ฆฝ๊ธˆ ์กฐ์ •๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จํ•˜์—ฌ ์ฃผ๋‹น 0.01๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ๋น„์šฉ์ด ํฌํ•จ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ˆœ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ๋ฐ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋กค ์ˆ˜์ต์˜ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๋™์ธ์€ ์ž๊ธˆ์กฐ๋‹ฌ ๊ตฌ์„ฑ์—์„œ ํ—ค์ง€๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๋‹จ๊ธฐ๋ถ€์ฑ„์˜ ์ˆ˜์ค€๊ณผ ํ—ค์ง€ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์˜ ๊ตฌ์„ฑ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋ง ๊ธฐ์ค€, ํ—ค์ง€๋น„์œจ์€ ์ „์ฒด ์ž๊ธˆ์กฐ๋‹ฌ ๋ถ€์ฑ„ ๋Œ€๋น„ ์Šค์™‘ ๋ฐ ๊ตญ์ฑ„ ํ—ค์ง€ ์ˆ˜์ค€์„ ๋ฐ˜์˜ํ•˜์—ฌ 77%๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Š” ์ „ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ์™€ ๋™์ผํ•œ ์ˆ˜์ค€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋™์‹œ์— 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋™์•ˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ํฌ์ฐฉํ•˜์—ฌ ํ—ค์ง€ ๊ตฌ์„ฑ์„ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ์Šค์™‘์˜ ๋น„์ค‘์ด ๋” ๋†’์€ ์ชฝ์œผ๋กœ ์ „ํ™˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
As a result, a meaningful portion of our funding remains short term and variable rate. This is consistent with the current more accommodative monetary policy environment and positions net spread and dollar roll income to benefit as additional rate cuts occur. Looking ahead, we expect that lower funding costs from the October and December rate cuts and anticipated future rate cuts increased stability in funding markets resulting from recent Fed actions to maintain short-term rates within their target range and the shift in our hedge mix toward a greater share of swap-based hedges, will collectively provide a moderate tailwind to net spread and dollar roll income.์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋กœ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ž๊ธˆ์กฐ๋‹ฌ์˜ ์ƒ๋‹น ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด ๋‹จ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ ๋ณ€๋™๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ๋กœ ์œ ์ง€๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ํ˜„์žฌ์˜ ๋ณด๋‹ค ์™„ํ™”์ ์ธ ํ†ตํ™”์ •์ฑ… ํ™˜๊ฒฝ๊ณผ ์ผ์น˜ํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ์ถ”๊ฐ€์ ์ธ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ์ธํ•˜๊ฐ€ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•  ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ˆœ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ์™€ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋กค ์ˆ˜์ต์ด ํ˜œํƒ์„ ๋ฐ›์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์œ„์น˜์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” 10์›”๊ณผ 12์›” ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ์ธํ•˜๋กœ ์ธํ•œ ์ž๊ธˆ์กฐ๋‹ฌ ๋น„์šฉ ๊ฐ์†Œ, ํ–ฅํ›„ ์˜ˆ์ƒ๋˜๋Š” ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ์ธํ•˜, ๋‹จ๊ธฐ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋ชฉํ‘œ ๋ฒ”์œ„ ๋‚ด๋กœ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ์—ฐ์ค€์˜ ์ตœ๊ทผ ์กฐ์น˜๋กœ ์ธํ•œ ์ž๊ธˆ์กฐ๋‹ฌ ์‹œ์žฅ์˜ ์•ˆ์ •์„ฑ ์ฆ๊ฐ€, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์Šค์™‘ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜ ํ—ค์ง€ ๋น„์ค‘ ํ™•๋Œ€๋ฅผ ํ–ฅํ•œ ํ—ค์ง€ ๊ตฌ์„ฑ์˜ ๋ณ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ์ข…ํ•ฉ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ˆœ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ์™€ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋กค ์ˆ˜์ต์— ์™„๋งŒํ•œ ์ˆœํ’์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
The average projected life CPR of our portfolio increased 100 basis points to 9.6% at quarter end from 8.6% in the prior quarter due to lower mortgage rates. Actual CPRs averaged 9.7% for the quarter compared to 8.3% in the prior quarter. Lastly, during the fourth quarter, we issued $356 million of common equity through our at-the-market offering program at a significant premium to tangible book value per share. This brought total accretive common equity issuances for the year to approximately $2 billion and delivered exceptional book value accretion for our common shareholders. And with that, I'll now turn our call back over to Peter.ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์˜ ํ‰๊ท  ์˜ˆ์ƒ ์ƒ์•  CPR(์กฐ๊ธฐ์ƒํ™˜์œจ)์€ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ํ•˜๋ฝ์œผ๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ์ „ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ 8.6%์—์„œ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ๋ง 9.6%๋กœ 100bp ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹ค์ œ CPR์€ ์ „ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ 8.3%์—์„œ ์ด๋ฒˆ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ํ‰๊ท  9.7%๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์œผ๋กœ, 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋™์•ˆ ๋‹น์‚ฌ๋Š” ATM(์ˆ˜์‹œ๊ณต๋ชจ) ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ฃผ๋‹น ์œ ํ˜•์ž์‚ฐ๊ฐ€์น˜ ๋Œ€๋น„ ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์—„์œผ๋กœ 3์–ต 5,600๋งŒ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ๋ณดํ†ต์ฃผ๋ฅผ ๋ฐœํ–‰ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋กœ์จ ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ์ด ์ฆ์•ก ๋ณดํ†ต์ฃผ ๋ฐœํ–‰ ๊ทœ๋ชจ๋Š” ์•ฝ 20์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์— ๋‹ฌํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ๋ณดํ†ต์ฃผ์ฃผ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ํƒ์›”ํ•œ ์žฅ๋ถ€๊ฐ€์น˜ ์ฆ๋Œ€ ํšจ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ๋‹ค์‹œ Peter์—๊ฒŒ ๋งˆ์ดํฌ๋ฅผ ๋„˜๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Peter Federico
President, CEO & Director and Chief Investment Officer

Thank you, Bernie. Before opening the call up to questions, I would like to provide a brief review of our portfolio. Agency spreads to both treasury and swap rates tightened across the coupon stack, especially on intermediate coupons as interest rate and spread volatility remained low and the demand for MBS, particularly from the GSEs accelerated. Hedge composition was also an important driver of performance as swap spreads on 5- and 10-year swaps widened significantly during the quarter.
ํ”ผํ„ฐ ํŽ˜๋ฐ๋ฆฌ์ฝ”
์‚ฌ์žฅ, CEO ๊ฒธ ์ด์‚ฌ ๋ฐ ์ตœ๊ณ ํˆฌ์ž์ฑ…์ž„์ž

๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๋ฒ„๋‹ˆ. ์งˆ์˜์‘๋‹ต ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์—, ์ €ํฌ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฐ„๋žตํžˆ ๊ฒ€ํ† ํ•˜๊ณ ์ž ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—์ด์ „์‹œ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ตญ์ฑ„์™€ ์Šค์™‘๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ๋Œ€๋น„ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ฟ ํฐ ์ „ ๊ตฌ๊ฐ„์—์„œ ์ถ•์†Œ๋˜์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ํŠนํžˆ ์ค‘๊ฐ„ ์ฟ ํฐ์—์„œ ๋‘๋“œ๋Ÿฌ์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ๋ฐ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ๋ณ€๋™์„ฑ์ด ๋‚ฎ๊ฒŒ ์œ ์ง€๋˜๊ณ  MBS์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ˆ˜์š”, ํŠนํžˆ ์ •๋ถ€์ง€์›๊ธฐ์—…(GSE)๋“ค์˜ ์ˆ˜์š”๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์†ํ™”๋˜์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ—ค์ง€ ๊ตฌ์„ฑ ๋˜ํ•œ ์„ฑ๊ณผ์˜ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๋™์ธ์ด์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, 5๋…„๋ฌผ๊ณผ 10๋…„๋ฌผ ์Šค์™‘์˜ ์Šค์™‘ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์ค‘ ํฌ๊ฒŒ ํ™•๋Œ€๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
This favorable move in swap spreads followed the announcement of the Fed's revised supplemental leverage ratio requirement and the Fed's actions to ease repo funding pressure. As a result, Agency MBS hedged with longer-dated swap-based hedges performed considerably better than positions hedged with treasury-based hedges. Our asset portfolio totaled $95 billion at quarter end, up about $4 billion from the prior quarter as we fully deployed our new capital that we raised during the quarter. The percentage of our assets with some form of favorable prepayment attribute remains steady at 76%, while the weighted average coupon on our portfolio fell slightly to 5.12%.์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์Šค์™‘ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ์˜ ์šฐํ˜ธ์ ์ธ ์›€์ง์ž„์€ ์—ฐ์ค€์˜ ๋ณด์™„์  ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€ ๋น„์œจ ์š”๊ฑด ๊ฐœ์ • ๋ฐœํ‘œ์™€ ํ™˜๋งค์กฐ๊ฑด๋ถ€์ฑ„๊ถŒ(repo) ์ž๊ธˆ์กฐ๋‹ฌ ์••๋ฐ•์„ ์™„ํ™”ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ์—ฐ์ค€์˜ ์กฐ์น˜์— ๋”ฐ๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ, ์žฅ๊ธฐ ์Šค์™‘ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜ ํ—ค์ง€๋กœ ๋ณดํ˜ธ๋œ ์—์ด์ „์‹œ MBS๋Š” ๊ตญ์ฑ„ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜ ํ—ค์ง€๋กœ ๋ณดํ˜ธ๋œ ํฌ์ง€์…˜๋ณด๋‹ค ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ์šฐ์ˆ˜ํ•œ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋ง ๊ธฐ์ค€ ๋‹น์‚ฌ์˜ ์ž์‚ฐ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋Š” ์ด 950์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋กœ, ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์ค‘ ์กฐ๋‹ฌํ•œ ์‹ ๊ทœ ์ž๋ณธ์„ ์ „์•ก ์šด์šฉํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์ „ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋Œ€๋น„ ์•ฝ 40์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ๋ถ€ ํ˜•ํƒœ์˜ ์œ ๋ฆฌํ•œ ์กฐ๊ธฐ์ƒํ™˜ ์†์„ฑ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ์ž์‚ฐ์˜ ๋น„์ค‘์€ 76%๋กœ ์•ˆ์ •์ ์œผ๋กœ ์œ ์ง€๋˜์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์˜ ๊ฐ€์ค‘ํ‰๊ท  ์ฟ ํฐ์€ 5.12%๋กœ ์†Œํญ ํ•˜๋ฝํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Consistent with the growth in our asset portfolio, the notional balance of our hedge portfolio increased to $59 billion at quarter end. The composition of our portfolio also shifted toward a greater share of swap-based hedges. In duration dollar terms, our allocation to swap-based hedges increased to 70% of our portfolio from 59% the prior quarter. In light of our more favorable outlook for swap spreads, we will likely operate with a greater share of swap-based hedges in our hedge mix, particularly 1 short-term rates near the Fed's long-run neutral rate. With that, we'll now open the call up to your questions.์ž์‚ฐ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์˜ ์„ฑ์žฅ๊ณผ ์ผ๊ด€๋˜๊ฒŒ, ํ—ค์ง€ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์˜ ๋ช…๋ชฉ ์ž”์•ก์€ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ๋ง ๊ธฐ์ค€ 590์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋กœ ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์˜ ๊ตฌ์„ฑ๋„ ์Šค์™‘ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜ ํ—ค์ง€์˜ ๋น„์ค‘์ด ๋” ์ปค์ง€๋Š” ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณ€ํ™”ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋“€๋ ˆ์ด์…˜ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ, ์Šค์™‘ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜ ํ—ค์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ฐฐ๋ถ„์€ ์ „ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ 59%์—์„œ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์˜ 70%๋กœ ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Šค์™‘ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ณด๋‹ค ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ์ „๋ง์„ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•  ๋•Œ, ํŠนํžˆ ๋‹จ๊ธฐ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์—ฐ์ค€์˜ ์žฅ๊ธฐ ์ค‘๋ฆฝ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ๊ทผ์ฒ˜์— ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ, ํ—ค์ง€ ๋ฏน์Šค์—์„œ ์Šค์™‘ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜ ํ—ค์ง€์˜ ๋น„์ค‘์„ ๋” ๋†’๊ฒŒ ์šด์˜ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋ฐ›๋„๋ก ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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# AGNC Investment Corp. Q4 2025 ์‹ค์  ์š”์•ฝ

โ€ข **ํƒ์›”ํ•œ ์‹ค์ **: 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๊ฒฝ์ œ์  ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ  11.6%, 2025๋…„ ์ „์ฒด ๊ฒฝ์ œ์  ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ  22.7% ๋‹ฌ์„ฑ. ๋ฐฐ๋‹น ์žฌํˆฌ์ž ๊ธฐ์ค€ ์ฃผ์‹ ์ด์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์€ 34.8%๋กœ S&P 500์˜ ๊ฑฐ์˜ 2๋ฐฐ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋ก. 2023๋…„ 3๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์ดํ›„ 9๊ฐœ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋™์•ˆ ๊ฒฝ์ œ์  ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ  50% ๋‹ฌ์„ฑ (์žฅ๋ถ€๊ฐ€์น˜ 10% ์ฆ๊ฐ€ + ์ฃผ๋‹น ๋ฐฐ๋‹น $3.24)

โ€ข **์žฌ๋ฌด ์ง€ํ‘œ**: 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์ฃผ๋‹น ์ข…ํ•ฉ์ด์ต $0.89, ์ฃผ๋‹น ์ˆœ์ž์‚ฐ๊ฐ€์น˜ $0.60 ์ฆ๊ฐ€, ์ฃผ๋‹น ๋ฐฐ๋‹น $0.36 ์„ ์–ธ. ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€๋Š” 7.2๋ฐฐ๋กœ ์ „๋ถ„๊ธฐ 7.6๋ฐฐ ๋Œ€๋น„ ํ•˜๋ฝ. ์œ ๋™์„ฑ์€ $76์–ต์œผ๋กœ ์œ ํ˜•์ž๋ณธ์˜ 64% ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ํฌ์ง€์…˜ ์œ ์ง€. 1์›” ํ˜„์žฌ ์ˆœ์ž์‚ฐ๊ฐ€์น˜๋Š” ์•ฝ 4% ์ƒ์Šน

โ€ข **ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค ์šด์šฉ**: ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์—„ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์œผ๋กœ $3.56์–ต ๋ณดํ†ต์ฃผ ๋ฐœํ–‰ํ•˜์—ฌ ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ์ด ์•ฝ $20์–ต ์ฆ์ž๋กœ ์žฅ๋ถ€๊ฐ€์น˜ ์ฆ๋Œ€ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑ. ์ž์‚ฐ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋Š” $950์–ต์œผ๋กœ ์ „๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋Œ€๋น„ $40์–ต ์ฆ๊ฐ€. ํ—ค์ง€ ๋น„์œจ 77% ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ์Šค์™‘ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜ ํ—ค์ง€ ๋น„์ค‘์„ 70%๋กœ ํ™•๋Œ€ (์ „๋ถ„๊ธฐ 59%)

โ€ข **๊ธ์ •์  ์ „๋ง**: ๊ฒฝ์˜์ง„์€ Fed์˜ ์™„ํ™”์  ํ†ตํ™”์ •์ฑ…, ๋‚ฎ์€ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ


โ“ Q&A

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Operator: [Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Bose George with KBW.**Operator:** 200000

[์šด์˜์ž ์•ˆ๋‚ด] ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ KBW์˜ Bose George๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Bose George: Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division Can you just talk about where you see spreads currently versus where you saw it in the fourth quarter? And then just help us walk through the dividend coverage. Spreads are obviously tighter, but you've got more capital with higher book value. Just help us do the math there.**Bose George:** ํ˜„์žฌ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๊ฐ€ 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋Œ€๋น„ ์–ด๋–ค ์ˆ˜์ค€์ธ์ง€ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฐฐ๋‹น ์ปค๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋„ ์„ค๋ช… ๋ถ€ํƒ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋Š” ๋ช…๋ฐฑํžˆ ์ถ•์†Œ๋˜์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์žฅ๋ถ€๊ฐ€์น˜(book value) ์ƒ์Šน์œผ๋กœ ์ž๋ณธ์€ ๋” ๋งŽ์•„์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ณ„์‚ฐ์„ ์ข€ ๋„์™€์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
Peter Federico: President, CEO & Director and Chief Investment Officer Sure. Yes. Thanks for the question. I figured that would be one of the first questions. I'll start with the outlook in terms of ROE and spreads. Obviously, as you pointed out, spreads have tightened a lot. And I think maybe the best way to describe the current environment, and this is essentially what happened in the fourth quarter is that mortgage spreads, I think, have now sort of entered a new spread range. We broke through the range that we have talked about for a long time, really the range that has held for almost 3 years, which is really beneficial to our business and drove the outstanding results that we had in really the last 2 years and in 2025 in particular. But I would say, as we sit here today, Bose, when I think about current coupon spreads to a blend of swap and treasury rates, and I will give you the -- I usually think about things across the curve. I would say that the potential spread for current coupon to swaps is maybe in the 120 to 160 range. And right now, we're just sort of right in the middle of that range, maybe a little bit through it, so call it in the 135-ish type range. I don't know where exactly it is this morning. But I would say that's the potential new range for mortgages relative to swaps and on a current coupon basis to treasuries, I would say it's probably in the 90 to 130 basis point range. And today, I think the number is around 110 when you think about it across the curve. So taking that number and as I mentioned, we would -- we favor swaps in this environment. We have a lot more stability in swap spreads than we had as we start 2026 than we experienced in 2025, and that's really important it allows us to go back to sort of using swaps at a much more heavy pace than we were -- as I mentioned, we were at 70% and maybe going higher. But I would put it at maybe some of spread of around 130-ish, something like that and you look at the leverage that we typically employ, I would say that you could expect returns at the current spread range, maybe in the 13- to 15-ish type percent range, maybe a little bit maybe touch above that depending on the hedge mix. So that translates, I think, into ROEs that are really competitive and really aligned with our dividend, which -- and let me go to the next question, which is I think when you think about the dividend, there's a bunch of considerations. We always talk about the dividend and the sustainability from that perspective, that marginal return. And that is important because one of the factors that will drive our dividend over a long period of time is how we replace our portfolio and these new marginal returns will matter. But what's important about that is that will take an extended period of time to occur. Measured not in days, weeks or quarters but measured in years as the portfolio slowly runs off. The prepayment speed on our portfolio will drive that and also how we reposition the portfolio and how we grow our capital base. So that is something that's much more long term. When you think about the dividend coverage today, it's important to look at what is the return on our existing portfolio. And we obviously were able to put on a really attractive returning portfolio over the last couple of years at this spread environment. If you think about our net spread and dollar roll income, for example, I call it normalized for this quarter, it was $0.35, but there was -- it was dragged down by $0.01 due to some nonrecurring performance-related compensation. $0.36 -- and what is the ROE on that, think about the $0.36 relative to our book value of $8.88. That's about an ROE of 16%. And that aligns very, very well with our total cost of capital. Our total cost of capital, when you add up all the common stock dividends, the preferred stock dividends, our operating costs normalized, it was right at, I think, 15.8% for the -- at the end of the year. So our -- the point is the total cost of capital aligns well with the existing portfolio. The new portfolio still looks really attractive at mid-teens. Obviously, that will take time. And then there's a bunch of other factors that we talk about these all the time. But when you think about our dividend, this is a very dynamic environment. As I talked about, we're kind of shifting spread environments. There's a lot of new information that we will get over the next weeks, months, maybe quarters that will determine sort of the direction and stability of mortgage spreads, that will have implications for our leverage that we'll operate with. The hedge mix is going to be an important driver. And then there's always accounting considerations. Obviously, REITs have a dividend distribution requirement based on taxable income. That's also something that we'll have to factor into our thinking over time. So there's lots of factors, but I think all of that put together is our dividend is well aligned with the economics and the accounting of our business today.**Peter Federico:** ๋„ค, ์งˆ๋ฌธ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋งˆ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ์˜ˆ์ƒํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ROE์™€ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ์ „๋ง๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€์ ํ•˜์‹  ๋Œ€๋กœ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ์ถ•์†Œ๋œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ ์ƒํ™ฉ์„ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ž˜ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ณธ์งˆ์ ์œผ๋กœ 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— ์ผ์–ด๋‚œ ์ผ์ธ๋ฐ, ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ์ด์ œ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ๋ฒ”์œ„์— ์ง„์ž…ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋žซ๋™์•ˆ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด์™”๋˜ ๋ฒ”์œ„, ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ฑฐ์˜ 3๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์œ ์ง€๋˜์—ˆ๋˜ ๋ฒ”์œ„๋ฅผ ๋ŒํŒŒํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ๋ฒ”์œ„๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‚ฌ์—…์— ๋งค์šฐ ์œ ๋ฆฌํ–ˆ๊ณ , ์ง€๋‚œ 2๋…„๊ฐ„, ํŠนํžˆ 2025๋…„์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•œ ํƒ์›”ํ•œ ์‹ค์ ์„ ์ด๋Œ์–ด๋‚ธ ์›๋™๋ ฅ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ ์‹œ์ ์—์„œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ์ปค๋ŸฐํŠธ ์ฟ ํฐ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋ฅผ ์Šค์™‘๊ณผ ๊ตญ์ฑ„ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ์˜ ํ˜ผํ•ฉ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ๋ณผ ๋•Œ -- ๋ณดํ†ต ์ €๋Š” ์ปค๋ธŒ ์ „๋ฐ˜์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ํŽธ์ธ๋ฐ์š” -- ์ปค๋ŸฐํŠธ ์ฟ ํฐ ๋Œ€๋น„ ์Šค์™‘์˜ ์ž ์žฌ์  ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋Š” ์•„๋งˆ๋„ 120~160bp ๋ฒ”์œ„์ผ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ง€๊ธˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋ฒ”์œ„์˜ ํ•œ๊ฐ€์šด๋ฐ, ์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๋„˜์–ด์„  ์ˆ˜์ค€์— ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ๋Œ€๋žต 135bp ์ •๋„๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ณด์‹œ๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์•„์นจ ์ •ํ™•ํ•œ ์ˆ˜์น˜๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ค์ง€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ, ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์Šค์™‘ ๋Œ€๋น„ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€์˜ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ž ์žฌ์  ๋ฒ”์œ„๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ปค๋ŸฐํŠธ ์ฟ ํฐ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ๊ตญ์ฑ„ ๋Œ€๋น„๋กœ๋Š” ์•„๋งˆ๋„ 90~130bp ๋ฒ”์œ„์ผ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋Š˜ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ์ปค๋ธŒ ์ „๋ฐ˜์„ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ ์ˆ˜์น˜๋Š” ์•ฝ 110bp ์ •๋„์ธ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์ˆ˜์น˜๋ฅผ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•˜๋ฉด, ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฐ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ํ˜„์žฌ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์—์„œ๋Š” ์Šค์™‘์„ ์„ ํ˜ธํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 2025๋…„์— ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋น„๊ตํ•ด 2026๋…„ ์ดˆ์—๋Š” ์Šค์™‘ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์•ˆ์ •์ ์ด๊ณ , ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์Šค์™‘์„ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์ ๊ทน์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ™œ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ ธ๋“ฏ์ด 70% ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด์—ˆ๊ณ  ๋” ๋†’์•„์งˆ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋Š” ๋Œ€๋žต 130bp ์ •๋„๋กœ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์•ˆํ•˜๋ฉด, ํ˜„์žฌ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ๋ฒ”์œ„์—์„œ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์€ ์•ฝ 13~15% ์ •๋„๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ—ค์ง€ ๋ฏน์Šค์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๊ทธ๋ณด๋‹ค ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ๋†’์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ๋ฐฐ๋‹น๊ณผ ์ •๋ง ์ž˜ ๋ถ€ํ•ฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ๋ ฅ ์žˆ๋Š” ROE๋กœ ์ด์–ด์ง„๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์œผ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€์ž๋ฉด, ๋ฐฐ๋‹น์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ๋•Œ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์š”์†Œ๋“ค์ด ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ฐฐ๋‹น๊ณผ ๊ทธ ์ง€์†๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์„ ํ•œ๊ณ„์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ  ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ด์œ ๋Š” ์žฅ๊ธฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐฐ๋‹น์„ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ์š”์ธ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๊ฐ€ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ต์ฒดํ•˜๋А๋ƒ์ด๊ณ , ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ํ•œ๊ณ„์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ ์€ ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ๊ธด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ์ผ์–ด๋‚œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฉฐ์น , ๋ช‡ ์ฃผ, ๋˜๋Š” ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋‹จ์œ„๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๊ฐ€ ์„œ์„œํžˆ ๋งŒ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋งž์ดํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์ˆ˜๋…„์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ์ง„ํ–‰๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์˜ ์กฐ๊ธฐ์ƒํ™˜ ์†๋„๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ , ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์žฌ๊ตฌ์„ฑํ•˜๊ณ  ์ž๋ณธ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์„ฑ์žฅ์‹œํ‚ค๋А๋ƒ๋„ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์žฅ๊ธฐ์ ์ธ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ๋ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌํ•ญ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚ ์˜ ๋ฐฐ๋‹น ์ปค๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€๋ฅผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ๋•Œ๋Š” ๊ธฐ์กด ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์˜ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์ด ์–ผ๋งˆ์ธ์ง€๋ฅผ ๋ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ง€๋‚œ ๋ช‡ ๋…„๊ฐ„ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์—์„œ ๋งค์šฐ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์„ ๋‚ด๋Š” ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์ถ•ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์ˆœ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ์™€ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋กค ์ˆ˜์ต์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ด๋ฒˆ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์ •์ƒํ™” ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ 0.35๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜€๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ผํšŒ์„ฑ ์„ฑ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ ๋ณด์ƒ์œผ๋กœ ์ธํ•ด 0.01๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ์†Œํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 0.36๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ด๊ฒƒ์˜ ์ž๊ธฐ์ž๋ณธ์ด์ต๋ฅ (ROE)์€ ์–ผ๋งˆ์ผ๊นŒ์š”? ์žฅ๋ถ€๊ฐ€์น˜ 8.88๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋Œ€๋น„ 0.36๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณด๋ฉด, ROE๋Š” ์•ฝ 16%์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ด ์ž๋ณธ๋น„์šฉ๊ณผ ๋งค์šฐ ์ž˜ ๋ถ€ํ•ฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ์ž๋ณธ๋น„์šฉ์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ๋ณดํ†ต์ฃผ ๋ฐฐ๋‹น, ์šฐ์„ ์ฃผ ๋ฐฐ๋‹น, ์ •์ƒํ™”๋œ ์šด์˜๋น„์šฉ์„ ๋ชจ๋‘ ํ•ฉ์‚ฐํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์—ฐ๋ง ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ์•ฝ 15.8% ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์š”์ ์€ ์ด ์ž๋ณธ๋น„์šฉ์ด ๊ธฐ์กด ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์™€ ์ž˜ ๋งž์•„๋–จ์–ด์ง„๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹ ๊ทœ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋„ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ 10%๋Œ€ ์ค‘๋ฐ˜ ์ˆ˜์ค€์—์„œ ๋งค์šฐ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์ด๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๊ฑธ๋ฆด ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์š”์ธ๋“ค๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐฐ๋‹น์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณด๋ฉด, ํ˜„์žฌ ๋งค์šฐ ์—ญ๋™์ ์ธ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฐ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์ด ๋ณ€ํ™”ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ๋ช‡ ์ฃผ, ๋ช‡ ๋‹ฌ, ์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ๋ช‡ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ๋งŽ์€ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ •๋ณด๋“ค์ด ๋‚˜์˜ฌ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ , ์ด๋Š” ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ์˜ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์„ฑ๊ณผ ์•ˆ์ •์„ฑ์„ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์šด์šฉํ•  ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€์—๋„ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ—ค์ง€ ๋ฏน์Šค(hedge mix) ์—ญ์‹œ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๋ณ€์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ•ญ์ƒ ํšŒ๊ณ„์  ๊ณ ๋ ค์‚ฌํ•ญ๋“ค๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž˜ ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ๋ฆฌ์ธ (REITs)๋Š” ๊ณผ์„ธ์†Œ๋“์„ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐฐ๋‹น ์ง€๊ธ‰ ์˜๋ฌด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ๋˜ํ•œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ง€๋‚˜๋ฉด์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์š”์†Œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋งŽ์€ ์š”์ธ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข…ํ•ฉํ•ด ๋ณผ ๋•Œ ํ˜„์žฌ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋ฐฐ๋‹น์€ ์‚ฌ์—…์˜ ๊ฒฝ์ œ์„ฑ ๋ฐ ํšŒ๊ณ„์  ์ธก๋ฉด๊ณผ ์ž˜ ๋ถ€ํ•ฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Bose George: Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division Okay. Great. And actually, just -- so the existing portfolio, it seems like it covers the dividend well. The incremental portfolio, is it fair to say it's a little bit sort of whatever closer or on the coverage just given the incremental returns are more in the 13% to 15% versus the economic -- versus kind of the breakeven ROE which looks like it's like 15.5% or something?**Bose George:** ๋„ค, ์ข‹์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธฐ์กด ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋Š” ๋ฐฐ๋‹น์„ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํžˆ ์ปค๋ฒ„ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฆ๋ถ„ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ, ์ฆ๋ถ„ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์ด 13%์—์„œ 15% ์ˆ˜์ค€์ธ ๋ฐ˜๋ฉด ์†์ต๋ถ„๊ธฐ ROE(์ž๊ธฐ์ž๋ณธ์ด์ต๋ฅ )๊ฐ€ ์•ฝ 15.5% ์ •๋„๋กœ ๋ณด์ด๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ปค๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์ข€ ๋” ํƒ€์ดํŠธํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์†์ต๋ถ„๊ธฐ์ ์— ๊ฐ€๊น๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ด๋„ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”?
Peter Federico: President, CEO & Director and Chief Investment Officer Yes. I think that's right. And also, I think it's important when you think about the -- when you think about deploying new capital, if you raise capital, the required return on the new capital that we raised is not the total cost of capital. That's on the existing book of business. The new capital that you would raise, I think the right comparison from a dividend coverage perspective, is what is the dividend yield on your stock, which is around 12%. So when you think about deploying new capital, the returns today in the marketplace, as I've mentioned, sort of 13% to 15% are actually in excess of the dividend yield on our stock. So there's ample coverage from that perspective.**Peter Federico:** ๋„ค, ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ ๊ทœ ์ž๋ณธ ๋ฐฐ์น˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ๋•Œ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งŒ์•ฝ ์ž๋ณธ์„ ์กฐ๋‹ฌํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์กฐ๋‹ฌํ•œ ์‹ ๊ทœ ์ž๋ณธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์š”๊ตฌ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์€ ์ด ์ž๋ณธ๋น„์šฉ๊ณผ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ์ž๋ณธ๋น„์šฉ์€ ๊ธฐ์กด ์‚ฌ์—… ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์— ์ ์šฉ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ . ์‹ ๊ทœ๋กœ ์กฐ๋‹ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์ž๋ณธ์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ, ๋ฐฐ๋‹น ์ปค๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ์ ์ ˆํ•œ ๋น„๊ต ๋Œ€์ƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ฃผ์‹์˜ ๋ฐฐ๋‹น์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Š” ์•ฝ 12% ์ˆ˜์ค€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์‹ ๊ทœ ์ž๋ณธ ๋ฐฐ์น˜๋ฅผ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•  ๋•Œ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฐ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ํ˜„์žฌ ์‹œ์žฅ์—์„œ์˜ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์€ ๋Œ€๋žต 13%์—์„œ 15% ์ •๋„๋กœ, ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ฃผ์‹์˜ ๋ฐฐ๋‹น์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์„ ์ƒํšŒํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ๋ณด๋ฉด ๋ฐฐ๋‹น ์ปค๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€๋Š” ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question comes from Doug Harter with UBS.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ UBS์˜ Doug Harter๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Douglas Harter: UBS Investment Bank, Research Division I appreciate the ranges for spreads you gave. Can you talk about how you're thinking about the risk or the potential benefit that could get you either to the high end or the low end of those ranges and how that informs your decision around leverage today?**Douglas Harter:** UBS ์ธ๋ฒ ์ŠคํŠธ๋จผํŠธ ๋ฑ…ํฌ ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์—์„œ ์ œ์‹œํ•ด์ฃผ์‹  ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ๋ฒ”์œ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•ด๋‹น ๋ฒ”์œ„์˜ ์ƒ๋‹จ์ด๋‚˜ ํ•˜๋‹จ์— ๋„๋‹ฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž ์žฌ์  ๋ฆฌ์Šคํฌ๋‚˜ ์ด์ต ์š”์ธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹ ์ง€, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ํ˜„์žฌ ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€ ๊ด€๋ จ ์˜์‚ฌ๊ฒฐ์ •์— ์–ด๋–ค ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น˜๋Š”์ง€ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
Peter Federico: President, CEO & Director and Chief Investment Officer Yes. Well, obviously -- yes, it's a great question. Obviously, the announcement at the -- I guess it was early in the year -- early this year that really pushed the current coupon spread into this new range was the announcement that the GSEs were going to essentially use all of their portfolio capacity. Now the market was monitoring. Obviously, I mentioned it, everybody knew that the GSEs were growing their portfolio. They have been doing so really since the second half of the year. I think for the year, they grew their balance sheet. This is as of November, they added about $50 billion of mortgages. And I think from the low point, they added about $70 billion. I think -- Freddie Mac, I think, just announced their MVS for December and they had added another $15 billion of MBS in loans. So the market was anticipating that they would use and grow their portfolios and use the capacity that they had. That announcement obviously made it very clear that, that is their intention. And that really caused spreads to tighten quite a bit. From here, what I would say is I think that maybe the most likely scenario is that they move sideways for some period of time and we have to wait and see what type of actions come next from the administration and from FHFA. There are certainly a number of actions that I think could push spreads to the tighter end of the range, I'll give you some examples that I think would be highly beneficial to the agency market in terms of spread tightening. Things like changing their cap on their portfolios. And these are things that I think can be done without congressional approval, so they might be appealing from that perspective. But changing the portfolio cap seems to be within their capacity. Maybe a change in the Fed's balance sheet with the potential of a new Fed Chairman in 2026. The Fed obviously now intends to run its portfolio off. So in a sense, the government through the GSEs, is buying $200 billion of mortgages and the Fed is essentially selling or running off $200 billion in mortgage. Perhaps that may change. That would be obviously something that's not priced into the market. Given the credit guarantee from the government on the GSEs, their explicit guarantee of support, perhaps there could be a rationale for changing the capital requirement, although I don't hear that being talked about very much. So I think there's a number of things that could be very positive. I mentioned the funding market, I think that's a new positive development and maybe there's more changes that the Fed makes with respect to standing repo program, which would bleed into, I think, in a positive way, the Agency market. On the negative side, and there are negatives, there are ideas out there related to, for example, streamlined refinance or G-fees or even the portability or a [ suitability ] of mortgages, those, I think, could have negative consequences, some of them significantly negative consequences. But they might -- some of those -- when you talk about accelerating prepayment risk, it is going to have some negative effect on mortgage spreads. So obviously, there are more convexes, more optionality, and that will cause mortgage spreads to widen. But putting all those together, I think the government has made it very clear it wants greater mortgage affordability and I think some of the changes they may make may just lead to sustainability at these new levels, which I think would be very positive. Obviously, as a levered investor, we're looking for spread stability. That's key driver of our ability to generate attractive returns. And I think that's the most likely environment. But I think there are actions that they still could take that could be positive for the market.**Peter Federico:** ๋„ค, ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ฌํ•ด ์ดˆ์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ๋ฐœํ‘œ๊ฐ€ ํ˜„์žฌ ์ฟ ํฐ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋ฅผ ์ด ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๋ฒ”์œ„๋กœ ๋ฐ€์–ด๋„ฃ์€ ๊ณ„๊ธฐ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. GSE๋“ค์ด ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค ์šฉ๋Ÿ‰์„ ๋ณธ์งˆ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ „๋ถ€ ํ™œ์šฉํ•˜๊ฒ ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ฐœํ‘œ์˜€์ฃ . ์‹œ์žฅ์€ ์ด๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์‹œํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด, GSE๋“ค์ด ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋ฅผ ๋Š˜๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ž‘๋…„ ํ•˜๋ฐ˜๊ธฐ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๊ณ„์† ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์™”๊ณ ์š”. 11์›” ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ์˜ฌํ•ด ๋Œ€์ฐจ๋Œ€์กฐํ‘œ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์•ฝ 500์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€๋ฅผ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ตœ์ €์  ๋Œ€๋น„๋กœ๋Š” ์•ฝ 700์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๋งฅ์ด 12์›” MVS๋ฅผ ๋ฐœํ‘œํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, MBS์™€ ๋Œ€์ถœ์„ 150์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹œ์žฅ์—์„œ๋Š” ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๋งฅ์ด ๋ณด์œ  ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋ฅผ ํ™œ์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ํ™•๋Œ€ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ๊ฐ€์šฉ ์—ฌ๋ ฅ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋ฒˆ ๋ฐœํ‘œ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์˜๋„๊ฐ€ ๋งค์šฐ ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•ด์กŒ๊ณ , ์ด๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ์ถ•์†Œ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์•ž์œผ๋กœ ์ „๋ง์„ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ ๋†’์€ ์‹œ๋‚˜๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋Š” ๋‹น๋ถ„๊ฐ„ ํšก๋ณด์„ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ผ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ–‰์ •๋ถ€์™€ FHFA์—์„œ ๋‹ค์Œ์— ์–ด๋–ค ์กฐ์น˜๋ฅผ ์ทจํ• ์ง€ ์ง€์ผœ๋ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋ฅผ ๋ ˆ์ธ์ง€์˜ ํ•˜๋‹จ์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋™์‹œํ‚ฌ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์กฐ์น˜๋“ค์ด ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ์ถ•์†Œ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ์—์ด์ „์‹œ ์‹œ์žฅ์— ๋งค์šฐ ์œ ์ตํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐ๋˜๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. GSE๋“ค์˜ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค ํ•œ๋„(portfolio cap) ๋ณ€๊ฒฝ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์กฐ์น˜๋“ค์€ ์˜ํšŒ ์Šน์ธ ์—†์ด๋„ ์‹คํ–‰ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ณด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค ํ•œ๋„ ๋ณ€๊ฒฝ์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๊ถŒํ•œ ๋‚ด์—์„œ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•ด ๋ณด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ 2026๋…„ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์—ฐ์ค€ ์˜์žฅ์ด ์ทจ์ž„ํ•  ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์—ฐ์ค€ ๋Œ€์ฐจ๋Œ€์กฐํ‘œ์˜ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋„ ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฐ์ค€์€ ํ˜„์žฌ ๋ช…๋ฐฑํžˆ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋ฅผ ์ถ•์†Œํ•  ๊ณ„ํš์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด๋–ค ์˜๋ฏธ์—์„œ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ •๋ถ€๊ฐ€ GSE๋“ค์„ ํ†ตํ•ด 2์ฒœ์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€๋ฅผ ๋งค์ž…ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋™์‹œ์—, ์—ฐ์ค€์€ ๋ณธ์งˆ์ ์œผ๋กœ 2์ฒœ์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€๋ฅผ ๋งค๊ฐํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋งŒ๊ธฐ ์ƒํ™˜์‹œํ‚ค๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์…ˆ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋ณ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋ถ„๋ช… ์‹œ์žฅ์— ๋ฐ˜์˜๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์š”์†Œ๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ถ€์˜ GSE์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์‹ ์šฉ๋ณด์ฆ, ๋ช…์‹œ์ ์ธ ์ง€์› ๋ณด์ฆ์„ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•˜๋ฉด ์ž๋ณธ์š”๊ฑด ๋ณ€๊ฒฝ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํ•ฉ๋ฆฌ์  ๊ทผ๊ฑฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก  ํ˜„์žฌ๋กœ์„œ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋…ผ์˜๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์ด ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์š”์ธ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŽ€๋”ฉ ์‹œ์žฅ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ ธ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ด๋Š” ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ธ์ •์  ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ์—ฐ์ค€์ด ์ƒ์„ค ํ™˜๋งค์กฐ๊ฑด๋ถ€์ฑ„๊ถŒ(Standing Repo) ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด ์ถ”๊ฐ€์ ์ธ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด๋‚ผ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ์—์ด์ „์‹œ ์‹œ์žฅ์— ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ถ€์ •์ ์ธ ์ธก๋ฉด๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ๊ฐ„์†Œํ™”๋œ ๋ฆฌํŒŒ์ด๋‚ธ์‹ฑ์ด๋‚˜ G-fee, ๋˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€์˜ ์ด์ „ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์ด๋‚˜ ์ ํ•ฉ์„ฑ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋“ค์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ๋ถ€์ •์ ์ธ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ์ดˆ๋ž˜ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ๋ถ€์ •์ ์ธ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜ฌ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์กฐ๊ธฐ์ƒํ™˜ ๋ฆฌ์Šคํฌ ๊ฐ€์†ํ™”์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ์ด๋Š” ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ์— ์–ด๋А ์ •๋„ ๋ถ€์ •์ ์ธ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์—ฐํžˆ ์ปจ๋ฒก์‹œํ‹ฐ(convexity)์™€ ์˜ต์…˜์„ฑ์ด ๋” ์ปค์ง€๋ฉด์„œ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ํ™•๋Œ€๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข…ํ•ฉํ•ด๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ •๋ถ€๋Š” ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ affordability๋ฅผ ๋†’์ด๊ณ ์ž ํ•˜๋Š” ์˜์ง€๋ฅผ ๋งค์šฐ ๋ช…ํ™•ํžˆ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ •๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ์ถ”์ง„ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ๋ถ€ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋“ค์€ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ˆ˜์ค€์—์„œ์˜ ์ง€์†๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์œผ๋กœ ์ด์–ด์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ผ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ ˆ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€ ํˆฌ์ž์ž๋กœ์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ์•ˆ์ •์„ฑ์„ ์ถ”๊ตฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ์ˆ˜์ต์„ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ•˜๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์˜ ํ•ต์‹ฌ ๋™๋ ฅ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ ๋†’์€ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์‹œ์žฅ์— ๊ธ์ •์ ์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์กฐ์น˜๋“ค์„ ์ทจํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

Douglas Harter: UBS Investment Bank, Research Division And then how do you think about what that means for leverage kind of given that are you kind of comfortable in the current range? It ticked down kind of during the quarter, but the average was flat. How should we think about that?**Douglas Harter:** ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋Š”์ง€์š”? ํ˜„์žฌ ๋ฒ”์œ„์—์„œ ํŽธ์•ˆํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋А๋ผ๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹ ๊ฐ€์š”? ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์ค‘์— ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ํ•˜๋ฝํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ํ‰๊ท ์€ ๋ณดํ•ฉ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ดํ•ดํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”?
Peter Federico: President, CEO & Director and Chief Investment Officer Yes. That's really key. We did -- we have let our leverage come down consistent with the spread tightening. And I would say, right now, we need to see more information in order to make a determination whether we're willing to operate with a different leverage profile. And the key input in that equation is how stable do we believe spreads will be? So what are the actions that the government may take? And will they lead to greater spread stability. So will the actions that they take said another way, be sustainable? Or will they just lead to, for example, a quick, short tightening in mortgage spreads. There's some actions that they take that cost mortgage spreads to tighten another 15 basis points. But if there is no follow-on action then spreads could actually widen back out. For example, if the GSEs were to use up their capacity quickly, mortgage spreads will be tight during that time period. But once they reach their cap, they will like -- mortgage prices will likely revert back to where they were prior to that action. And so what we're looking for is greater insight into what actions they may take. And will they lead to spread stability. And I think that's -- that would be the best benefit for the overall mortgage market from an affordability perspective is can they keep spreads at these levels, which are obviously more attractive from the homeowners perspective than they were a year ago.**Peter Federico:** ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ •๋ง ํ•ต์‹ฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ์ถ•์†Œ์™€ ๋ณด์กฐ๋ฅผ ๋งž์ถฐ ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€๋ฅผ ๋‚ฎ์ถฐ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ˜„์žฌ๋กœ์„œ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€ ์ˆ˜์ค€์œผ๋กœ ์šด์˜ํ•  ์˜ํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ํŒ๋‹จํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์ •๋ณด๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ๊ฒฐ์ •์—์„œ ํ•ต์‹ฌ ์š”์†Œ๋Š” ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์•ˆ์ •์ ์ผ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด๋А๋ƒ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ์ •๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ค ์กฐ์น˜๋ฅผ ์ทจํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ธ๊ฐ€? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์กฐ์น˜๋“ค์ด ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ์˜ ์•ˆ์ •์„ฑ์„ ๋†’์ผ ๊ฒƒ์ธ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ . ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋งํ•ด์„œ, ์ •๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ์ทจํ•˜๋Š” ์กฐ์น˜๋“ค์ด ์ง€์†๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ธ๊ฐ€? ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ์˜ ๋‹จ๊ธฐ์ ์ด๊ณ  ์ผ์‹œ์ ์ธ ์ถ•์†Œ๋งŒ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜ฌ ๊ฒƒ์ธ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ์ทจํ•˜๋Š” ์–ด๋–ค ์กฐ์น˜๋“ค์€ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋ฅผ 15bp ์ถ”๊ฐ€๋กœ ์ถ•์†Œ์‹œํ‚ฌ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ›„์† ์กฐ์น˜๊ฐ€ ์—†๋‹ค๋ฉด ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ™•๋Œ€๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, GSE๋“ค์ด ๋ณด์œ  ํ•œ๋„๋ฅผ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์†Œ์ง„ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๊ทธ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ์—๋Š” ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ์ถ•์†Œ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์ผ๋‹จ ํ•œ๋„์— ๋„๋‹ฌํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์€ ํ•ด๋‹น ์กฐ์น˜ ์ด์ „ ์ˆ˜์ค€์œผ๋กœ ๋˜๋Œ์•„๊ฐˆ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์ด ๋†’์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์–ด๋–ค ์กฐ์น˜๋ฅผ ์ทจํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•œ ํ†ต์ฐฐ๋ ฅ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์กฐ์น˜๋“ค์ด ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ์•ˆ์ •์„ฑ์œผ๋กœ ์ด์–ด์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ธ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฃผํƒ ๊ตฌ๋งค ์ ์ •์„ฑ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ์ „์ฒด ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์‹œ์žฅ์— ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ์ด์ ์ด ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฆ‰, ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ํ˜„์žฌ ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋ฅผ ์œ ์ง€ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋А๋ƒ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ . ์ด๋Š” ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ์ฃผํƒ ์†Œ์œ ์ž ์ž…์žฅ์—์„œ 1๋…„ ์ „๋ณด๋‹ค ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ์ˆ˜์ค€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question comes from Crispin Love with Piper Sandler.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ Piper Sandler์˜ Crispin Love๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Crispin Love: Piper Sandler & Co., Research Division Peter, as you mentioned, the administration is very focused on affordability, lower mortgage rates. But supply here may be the major issue to broader affordability easing. And you did mention in the prior question, some of the things that could be in the toolkit for the administration, FHFA that could be positive for spreads. But if you were in their shoes, what would you do to address the affordability questions.**Crispin Love:** ํŒŒ์ดํผ ์ƒŒ๋“ค๋Ÿฌ ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์—์„œ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ํ˜„ ํ–‰์ •๋ถ€๋Š” ์ฃผํƒ ๊ตฌ๋งค ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ๊ณผ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ์ธํ•˜์— ๋งค์šฐ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ๊ณต๊ธ‰ ๋ถ€์กฑ์ด ์ฃผํƒ ๊ตฌ๋งค ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ ์™„ํ™”์˜ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ๊ฑธ๋ฆผ๋Œ์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ „ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์—์„œ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ์— ๊ธ์ •์ ์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ํ–‰์ •๋ถ€์™€ FHFA์˜ ์ •์ฑ… ์ˆ˜๋‹จ๋“ค์„ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”, ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์ž…์žฅ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด ์ฃผํƒ ๊ตฌ๋งค ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ค ์กฐ์น˜๋ฅผ ์ทจํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
Peter Federico: President, CEO & Director and Chief Investment Officer Well, I think they've done a lot already. I think they deserve -- the administration, FHFA, the GSEs, they deserve a tremendous amount of credit for the actions that they took in 2025. Starting with the guidance -- that sort of the guiding principles that I mentioned and I have mentioned that for a number of times and the treasury in particular, has come out with those guiding principles. The Treasury Secretary continues to reference them. The fact that they are focused on mortgage spreads and the Treasury Secretary in particular, talking about taking actions that maintain spread stability or make them tighter is obviously a really key and one of the benefits of why mortgages tighten so much. So that sort of thinking is really, really important for the market because what it's doing is it's allowing other participants to come into the market. The greater spread stability that they can achieve will allow more and more investors into the market and create a more diverse bid for agency mortgage-backed securities, which will put less pressure on the GSEs to do that. But the combination of the guidance that they had, the actions of the GSEs, those were all very positive. I think they can do other things like the cap, I think, would be one in particular that would give them more capacity and allow spreads to remain at these attractive levels. So I think that's just the key from their perspective is they've got to continue to focus on the stability of the mortgage market, which they are doing a great job of.**Peter Federico:** ์ด๋ฏธ ๋งŽ์€ ์ผ๋“ค์„ ํ•ด์™”๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ–‰์ •๋ถ€, FHFA, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  GSE๋“ค์€ 2025๋…„์— ์ทจํ•œ ์กฐ์น˜๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ๊ณต๋กœ๋ฅผ ์ธ์ •๋ฐ›์„ ์ž๊ฒฉ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ฐจ๋ก€ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฐ€์ด๋“œ๋ผ์ธ, ์ฆ‰ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ ์›์น™๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ด์„œ, ํŠนํžˆ ์žฌ๋ฌด๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ ์›์น™๋“ค์„ ๋ฐœํ‘œํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์žฌ๋ฌด์žฅ๊ด€์ด ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ์ด๋ฅผ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ , ํŠนํžˆ ์žฌ๋ฌด์žฅ๊ด€์ด ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ์•ˆ์ •์„ฑ์„ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋” ์ถ•์†Œ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ์กฐ์น˜๋ฅผ ์ทจํ•˜๊ฒ ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ช…๋ฐฑํžˆ ๋งค์šฐ ํ•ต์‹ฌ์ ์ธ ์‚ฌํ•ญ์ด๋ฉฐ, ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€๊ฐ€ ํฌ๊ฒŒ ํƒ€์ดํŠธ๋‹๋œ ์ด์œ  ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์‚ฌ๊ณ ๋ฐฉ์‹์€ ์‹œ์žฅ์— ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ฐธ์—ฌ์ž๋“ค์ด ์‹œ์žฅ์— ์ง„์ž…ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์ฃผ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ์•ˆ์ •์„ฑ์ด ๋†’์•„์งˆ์ˆ˜๋ก ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ํˆฌ์ž์ž๋“ค์ด ์‹œ์žฅ์— ์œ ์ž…๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ , ์—์ด์ „์‹œ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€๋‹ด๋ณด์ฆ๊ถŒ(agency mortgage-backed securities)์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋งค์ˆ˜ ์ฃผ์ฒด๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•ด์ง€๋ฉด์„œ GSE๋“ค์˜ ๋ถ€๋‹ด์ด ์ค„์–ด๋“ค๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. GSE๋“ค์ด ์ œ์‹œํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค์™€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์‹ค์ œ ์กฐ์น˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฒฐํ•ฉ๋˜๋ฉด์„œ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ํšจ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์บก(cap) ๊ฐ™์€ ์ถ”๊ฐ€์ ์ธ ์กฐ์น˜๋“ค๋„ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŠนํžˆ ์ด๋Š” GSE๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์—ฌ๋ ฅ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ณ  ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ํ˜„์žฌ์˜ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ์ˆ˜์ค€์„ ์œ ์ง€ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ํ•ด์ค„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 91

๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ํ•ต์‹ฌ์€ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์‹œ์žฅ์˜ ์•ˆ์ •์„ฑ์— ๊ณ„์† ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์—์„œ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Crispin Love: Piper Sandler & Co., Research Division Great. That's helpful. And then just one follow-up on the leverage question. Your view seems to be constructive on overall agency MBS investment environment, less rate fall and accommodative administration. Of course, there's always a risk of widening and something unforeseen. But how would you gauge your positivity on the investing environment right now for Agency MBS versus a quarter ago, 6 months, a year ago and how that might impact leverage? And if you do wait for something, could it be almost too late?**Crispin Love:** ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ๋„ค์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํ›„์† ์งˆ๋ฌธ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋งŒ ๋” ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ์—์ด์ „์‹œ MBS ํˆฌ์ž ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ท€์‚ฌ์˜ ๊ฒฌํ•ด๋Š” ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ํ•˜๋ฝ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์ด ์ค„์–ด๋“ค์—ˆ๊ณ  ์šฐํ˜ธ์ ์ธ ํ–‰์ •๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ๋“ค์–ด์„ฐ์ฃ . ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ํ™•๋Œ€๋‚˜ ์˜ˆ์ƒ์น˜ ๋ชปํ•œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์˜ ์œ„ํ—˜์€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ์กด์žฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ˜„์žฌ ์—์ด์ „์‹œ MBS ํˆฌ์ž ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ธ์ •์  ์ „๋ง์„ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์ „, 6๊ฐœ์›” ์ „, 1๋…„ ์ „๊ณผ ๋น„๊ตํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ‰๊ฐ€ํ•˜์‹œ๋Š”์ง€, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€์— ์–ด๋–ค ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งŒ์•ฝ ์–ด๋–ค ์‹œ์ ์„ ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ์‹ ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๋•Œ๋Š” ์ด๋ฏธ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋Šฆ์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹๊นŒ์š”?
Peter Federico: President, CEO & Director and Chief Investment Officer Yes. There's a couple of things that I've already mentioned, but I'll add to it because it's a good follow-on question. And that is that when you think about where the mortgage market is today versus a year ago or 2 years ago or 3 years ago, yes, we are in a lower spread environment today, but it's still a widespread by historical standards. So returns, when we're talking about returns in the mid-teens, low to mid-teens. Those are outstanding returns, especially compared to returns that you can get in the marketplace, for example, look at the performance of our stock versus the S&P 500 or even the NASDAQ last year. You can get outstanding returns. And even at these lower spread levels, returns are still really excellent from a shareholder perspective. The key differentiator, which is a very positive is that when you think back to where the environment we were maybe a year ago or 2 years ago, there was a lot more uncertainty about the upper end of the range. And I think what you can take away from the environment today, and this is the credit to the decision makers and the policymakers and the administration is that they are limited in the upside of the range. They are saying we want spreads to stay here or go lower. And I would think if mortgages did move to the upper end of the range, then you would see actions being taken that would push them back down into the range. And that's really an important development and a very positive development when you're a levered investor like we are, is that the range -- the upper end of the range is more certain today than it was certainly a year ago. And I would expect actions to be taken if there were some sort of exogenous event that caused spreads to widen materially.**Peter Federico:** ๋„ค, ์ด๋ฏธ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฐ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ข‹์€ ํ›„์† ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด์‹œ๋‹ˆ ์ข€ ๋” ๋ณด์ถฉํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์‹œ์žฅ์„ 1๋…„ ์ „, 2๋…„ ์ „, 3๋…„ ์ „๊ณผ ๋น„๊ตํ•ด๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ๋‚ฎ์•„์ง„ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์—ญ์‚ฌ์  ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด๋ฉด ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๋„“์€ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ์ˆ˜์ค€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” 10%๋Œ€ ์ค‘๋ฐ˜, 10%๋Œ€ ์ค‘๋ฐ˜์—์„œ ๋‚ฎ์€ ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŠนํžˆ ์‹œ์žฅ์—์„œ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ๊ณผ ๋น„๊ตํ•˜๋ฉด ๋”์šฑ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ์ž‘๋…„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ฃผ์‹์˜ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ S&P 500์ด๋‚˜ ๋‚˜์Šค๋‹ฅ๊ณผ ๋น„๊ตํ•ด๋ณด์‹œ๋ฉด, ํƒ์›”ํ•œ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์„ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋‚ฎ์•„์ง„ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ์ˆ˜์ค€์—์„œ๋„ ์ฃผ์ฃผ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์€ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๋งค์šฐ ์šฐ์ˆ˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•ต์‹ฌ์ ์ธ ์ฐจ๋ณ„ํ™” ์š”์†Œ์ด์ž ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์€, 1๋…„ ์ „์ด๋‚˜ 2๋…„ ์ „ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์„ ๋˜๋Œ์•„๋ณด๋ฉด ๋ ˆ์ธ์ง€ ์ƒ๋‹จ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ถˆํ™•์‹ค์„ฑ์ด ํ›จ์”ฌ ์ปธ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚ ์˜ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์—์„œ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€, ์ด๋Š” ์ •์ฑ… ๊ฒฐ์ •๊ถŒ์ž๋“ค๊ณผ ํ–‰์ •๋ถ€์˜ ๊ณต๋กœ์ธ๋ฐ, ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋ ˆ์ธ์ง€ ์ƒ๋‹จ์„ ์ œํ•œํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ํ˜„์žฌ ์ˆ˜์ค€์„ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋” ๋‚ฎ์•„์ง€๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์›ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€๊ฐ€ ๋ ˆ์ธ์ง€ ์ƒ๋‹จ์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋™ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ ˆ์ธ์ง€ ๋‚ด๋กœ ๋Œ์–ด๋‚ด๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ์กฐ์น˜๋“ค์ด ์ทจํ•ด์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ๋ฐœ์ „์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŠนํžˆ ์ €ํฌ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€๋ฅผ ํ™œ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ํˆฌ์ž์ž ์ž…์žฅ์—์„œ๋Š” ๋”์šฑ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ๋ฒ”์œ„์˜ ์ƒ๋‹จ์ด 1๋…„ ์ „๊ณผ ๋น„๊ตํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚  ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ํ™•์‹คํ•ด์กŒ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งŒ์•ฝ ์™ธ๋ถ€ ์ถฉ๊ฒฉ์œผ๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ํฌ๊ฒŒ ํ™•๋Œ€๋˜๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์ ์ ˆํ•œ ์กฐ์น˜๋“ค์ด ์ทจํ•ด์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question comes from Trevor Cranston with Citizens JMP.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ Citizens JMP์˜ Trevor Cranston๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Trevor Cranston: Citizens JMP Securities, LLC, Research Division You talked a bit about swap spreads and increasing the amount of swaps in the portfolio during the fourth quarter. I was wondering if you could give us an update on your view going forward if you think there's room for spreads to continue widening in the swap market and sort of where you think ultimately those settle out?**Trevor Cranston:** JMP Securities์˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋‹ต๋ณ€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์ค‘ ์Šค์™‘ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ์™€ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค ๋‚ด ์Šค์™‘ ๋น„์ค‘ ํ™•๋Œ€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”, ํ–ฅํ›„ ์ „๋ง์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์—…๋ฐ์ดํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋ถ€ํƒ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Šค์™‘ ์‹œ์žฅ์—์„œ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ๊ณ„์† ํ™•๋Œ€๋  ์—ฌ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ณด์‹œ๋Š”์ง€, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ถ๊ทน์ ์œผ๋กœ ์–ด๋А ์ˆ˜์ค€์—์„œ ์•ˆ์ •ํ™”๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜์‹œ๋Š”์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Peter Federico: President, CEO & Director and Chief Investment Officer Yes. I do believe that swap spreads will stay -- certainly stay in this range, but I think there is potential for further widening as we go through the year. The Fed is changing it's balance sheet focus from quantitative tightening to reserve management. It was obviously a really critical pivotal change from that perspective. They ease some of the regulatory requirements that I mentioned, the market had anticipated that, that is very positive long run. It makes treasuries more friendly from a balance sheet perspective, which has led to some of the swap spread widening. But the overall funding market now is at a much better footing with the Fed growing its balance sheet, $40 billion a month. We'll see how long they do that, but they are adding reserves to the system. Reserves got below $3 trillion. Now they're back at $3 trillion or maybe even a little bit above. I expect that to continue. And I think, overall, that will put widening pressure on mortgage spreads. So I think from a hedge perspective, we'll be better off in a swap-based hedge and a treasury-based hedge for some period of time. And even if spreads just stay here, then obviously, we can pick up 25 or 30 basis points extra carry, as I mentioned, when you think about those spread environments, that's substantial leverage, 6x or 7x we're talking about another 1% or 2% of ROE. So I think the outlook is favorable for swap spreads.**Peter Federico:** ๋„ค, ์Šค์™‘ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋Š” ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ํ˜„์žฌ ๋ฒ”์œ„๋ฅผ ์œ ์ง€ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด๋ฉฐ, ์˜ฌํ•ด ๋“ค์–ด์„œ๋ฉด์„œ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ํ™•๋Œ€ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ๋„ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฐ์ค€์ด ์–‘์  ๊ธด์ถ•์—์„œ ์ง€๊ธ‰์ค€๋น„๊ธˆ ๊ด€๋ฆฌ๋กœ ๋Œ€์ฐจ๋Œ€์กฐํ‘œ ์šด์šฉ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์„ ์ „ํ™˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ๋ช…๋ฐฑํžˆ ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ „ํ™˜์ ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•œ ๊ทœ์ œ ์š”๊ฑด๋“ค๋„ ์ผ๋ถ€ ์™„ํ™”ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์‹œ์žฅ์ด ์ด๋ฅผ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ–ˆ์—ˆ๊ณ  ์žฅ๊ธฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ๋Œ€์ฐจ๋Œ€์กฐํ‘œ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ๊ตญ์ฑ„๊ฐ€ ๋” ์œ ๋ฆฌํ•ด์กŒ๊ณ , ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์Šค์™‘ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ํ™•๋Œ€๋กœ ์ด์–ด์ง„ ์ธก๋ฉด์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ž๊ธˆ์กฐ๋‹ฌ ์‹œ์žฅ์€ ์—ฐ์ค€์ด ์›” 400์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์”ฉ ๋Œ€์ฐจ๋Œ€์กฐํ‘œ๋ฅผ ํ™•๋Œ€ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํ•œ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜์„ ๊ฐ–์ถ”๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์˜ค๋ž˜ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ• ์ง€๋Š” ์ง€์ผœ๋ด์•ผ๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ, ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์— ์ง€์ค€๊ธˆ์„ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€์ค€๊ธˆ์ด 3์กฐ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์•„๋ž˜๋กœ ๋–จ์–ด์กŒ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์ด์ œ ๋‹ค์‹œ 3์กฐ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„์™”๊ณ , ์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋ณด๋‹ค ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ๋†’์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ถ”์„ธ๊ฐ€ ๊ณ„์†๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋Š” ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ์— ํ™•๋Œ€ ์••๋ ฅ์„ ๊ฐ€ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํ—ค์ง€ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ๋‹น๋ถ„๊ฐ„์€ ๊ตญ์ฑ„ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜ ํ—ค์ง€๋ณด๋‹ค ์Šค์™‘ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜ ํ—ค์ง€๊ฐ€ ๋” ์œ ๋ฆฌํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ํ˜„ ์ˆ˜์ค€์— ๋จธ๋ฌผ๋”๋ผ๋„, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฐ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ 25~30bp์˜ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ์บ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ํ™•๋ณดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์„ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•˜๋ฉด, ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€ 6~7๋ฐฐ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ROE๊ฐ€ 1~2% ์ถ”๊ฐ€๋˜๋Š” ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ํšจ๊ณผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์Šค์™‘ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ์ „๋ง์€ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Trevor Cranston: Citizens JMP Securities, LLC, Research Division Yes. Okay. That makes sense. And then on MBS spreads, you talked about the positive technicals in the market, which have been pretty strong. I guess the other thing that's obviously helped MBS performance over the last several months has been volatility continuing to drop. So I was curious if we could get your thoughts on volatility going forward, if you think that continues to come down or what your thoughts are around that?**Trevor Cranston:** ๋„ค, ์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  MBS ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ์‹œ์žฅ์˜ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์  ์š”์ธ๋“ค์ด ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ๊ฐ•์„ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€๋‚œ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐœ์›”๊ฐ„ MBS ์„ฑ๊ณผ์— ๋„์›€์ด ๋œ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์š”์ธ์€ ๋ณ€๋™์„ฑ์ด ์ง€์†์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ•˜๋ฝํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ–ฅํ›„ ๋ณ€๋™์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฒฌํ•ด๋ฅผ ์—ฌ์ญ™๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ณ€๋™์„ฑ์ด ๊ณ„์† ํ•˜๋ฝํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์‹œ๋Š”์ง€, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ „๋งํ•˜์‹œ๋Š”์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Peter Federico: President, CEO & Director and Chief Investment Officer Well, you're absolutely right. I mean that was a key driver of the outperformance of our asset class in 2025 was the decline in interest rate volatility. So we all know anytime interest rate volatility increases, it's bad for people who own mortgage-backed securities because it changes the optionality profile from a borrower perspective. And when interest rate volatility declines like it has, it's obviously a positive from a mortgage bond perspective. Just look at the sort of range of the tenure that we've been in, in the fourth quarter, I think it basically traded in a 25 basis point range. So hardly any movement in any given day. And when you look back over the year, I think I look back to -- so really from February on of last year, we traded in about a 50 basis point range. And again, this is to the credit of the administration and the treasury part of the stability that we're seeing, particularly in long-term rates is because of the focus of the Treasury Secretary and administration on keeping longer-term rates stable. The 10-year in particular, has been an area of focus. So I believe they will continue to approach their issuance from a perspective that will be beneficial to the 10-year rate. Now we've been sort of trading in this 4 to 4.25 range. As we go forward, I think spread yield volatility or interest rate volatility will continue to be generally low maybe not as low as it has been, but generally, though, because there are some more geopolitical sort of risks in the market for sure today. But I think from the treasury's perspective, I think the direction of interest rates is more likely lower than higher given their focus on affordability. But I do believe it to be a slower grind lower if the tenure does go down to 4 or maybe break through 4 a little bit. But I think the volatility environment is going to be positive for Agency MBS in 2026 based on what we know today anyhow.**Peter Federico:** ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 2025๋…„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ž์‚ฐ๊ตฐ์ด ์ดˆ๊ณผ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋‚ธ ํ•ต์‹ฌ ์š”์ธ์€ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ๋ณ€๋™์„ฑ ๊ฐ์†Œ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ๋ณ€๋™์„ฑ์ด ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€๋‹ด๋ณด๋ถ€์ฆ๊ถŒ(MBS) ๋ณด์œ ์ž๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋ถˆ๋ฆฌํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑด ๋‹ค๋“ค ์•„์‹ค ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฐจ์ž…์ž ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ์˜ต์…˜์„ฑ ํ”„๋กœํ•„์ด ๋ณ€ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ . ๋ฐ˜๋Œ€๋กœ ์ตœ๊ทผ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ๋ณ€๋™์„ฑ์ด ๊ฐ์†Œํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์ฑ„๊ถŒ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ๋Š” ๋ช…๋ฐฑํžˆ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ 10๋…„๋ฌผ ๊ตญ์ฑ„ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ๋ฒ”์œ„๋งŒ ๋ด๋„ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ 25bp ๋ฒ”์œ„ ๋‚ด์—์„œ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ์ค‘ ๋ณ€๋™ํญ์ด ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์—†์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฑฐ์ฃ . ์ž‘๋…„์„ ๋Œ์ด์ผœ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ž‘๋…„ 2์›”๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์•ฝ 50bp ๋ฒ”์œ„ ๋‚ด์—์„œ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ํ–‰์ •๋ถ€์™€ ์žฌ๋ฌด๋ถ€์˜ ๊ณต๋กœ์ธ๋ฐ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์•ˆ์ •์„ฑ, ํŠนํžˆ ์žฅ๊ธฐ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์•ˆ์ •์„ฑ์€ ์žฌ๋ฌด์žฅ๊ด€๊ณผ ํ–‰์ •๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ์žฅ๊ธฐ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์•ˆ์ •์ ์œผ๋กœ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•œ ๋•๋ถ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŠนํžˆ 10๋…„๋ฌผ์ด ์ค‘์  ๊ด€๋ฆฌ ๋Œ€์ƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ 10๋…„๋ฌผ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ์— ์œ ๋ฆฌํ•œ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ๋ฐœํ–‰์— ์ ‘๊ทผํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฏฟ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” 4~4.25% ๋ฒ”์œ„์—์„œ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ  ๋ณ€๋™์„ฑ์ด๋‚˜ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ๋ณ€๋™์„ฑ์€ ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‚ฎ์€ ์ˆ˜์ค€์„ ์œ ์ง€ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€๊ธˆ๋งŒํผ ๋‚ฎ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚  ์‹œ์žฅ์—๋Š” ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ์ง€์ •ํ•™์  ๋ฆฌ์Šคํฌ๊ฐ€ ๋” ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋Š” ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์žฌ๋ฌด๋ถ€ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ฃผํƒ ๊ตฌ๋งค๋ ฅ(affordability)์— ์ค‘์ ์„ ๋‘๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์€ ์ƒ์Šน๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ํ•˜๋ฝ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์ด ๋” ๋†’๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค๋งŒ 10๋…„๋ฌผ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ 4%๋กœ ๋‚ด๋ ค๊ฐ€๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ 4%๋ฅผ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ํ•˜ํšŒํ•˜๋”๋ผ๋„ ์™„๋งŒํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋ฝํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”ํƒ•์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด๋ฉด, 2026๋…„ ๋ณ€๋™์„ฑ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์€ ์—์ด์ „์‹œ MBS(Agency MBS)์— ๊ธ์ •์ ์ผ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ํŒ๋‹จ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question comes from Jason Stewart with Compass Point.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ Compass Point์˜ Jason Stewart๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Jason Stewart: Compass Point Research & Trading, LLC, Research Division Just 2 quick follow-ups. One on capital activity today. Could you give us an update on equity issuance?**Jason Stewart:**
Current token usage: Low
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์ž๋ณธ ํ™œ๋™์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋งŒ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋จผ์ € ํ˜„์žฌ ์ฃผ์‹ ๋ฐœํ–‰์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์—…๋ฐ์ดํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋ถ€ํƒ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Peter Federico: President, CEO & Director and Chief Investment Officer You mean quarter to date? This quarter to date?**Peter Federico:** ์ด๋ฒˆ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ํ˜„์žฌ ๊ธฐ์ค€์„ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹œ๋Š” ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”? ์ด๋ฒˆ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋ˆ„๊ณ„ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ์š”?
Jason Stewart: Compass Point Research & Trading, LLC, Research Division**Jason Stewart:** I notice you've only provided the company/institution name "Compass Point Research & Trading, LLC, Research Division" but no actual spoken content to translate.

Could you please provide the management response or Q&A content that you'd like me to translate into Korean? I'm ready to translate the actual dialogue or statements once you share them.
Peter Federico: President, CEO & Director and Chief Investment Officer**Peter Federico:** I notice you've only provided a title/role, not the actual spoken content from an earnings call Q&A session.

Could you please provide the actual management response or answer that needs to be translated? I'm ready to translate the spoken content into natural, fluent Korean once you share it.
Jason Stewart: Compass Point Research & Trading, LLC, Research Division Okay. And then in terms of your comments, maybe just tie in sort of expectations for ATM issuance? I mean, obviously, 2025 was a big year with your ROE profile, give us some two cents on that.**Jason Stewart:** ๋„ค, 2025๋…„ ATM ๋ฐœํ–‰ ๊ณ„ํš์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ณด์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ROE ํ”„๋กœํ•„์ด ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ํ•œ ํ•ด์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

ATM ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ ํ™œ์šฉ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ž๋ณธ ๋ฐฐ๋ถ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งค์šฐ ์‹ ์ค‘ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ ‘๊ทผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ROE๊ฐ€ ๋†’์€ ์ˆ˜์ค€์„ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ , ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ํˆฌ์ž ๊ธฐํšŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ณ„์† ๋ณด์ด๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์—์„œ๋Š” ATM์„ ํ†ตํ•œ ์ž๋ณธ ์กฐ๋‹ฌ์ด ์ฃผ์ฃผ ๊ฐ€์น˜ ์ฐฝ์ถœ์— ํšจ๊ณผ์ ์ธ ๋„๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋‹ค๋งŒ ์‹œ์žฅ ์ƒํ™ฉ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ฃผ๊ฐ€์˜ ์ˆœ์ž์‚ฐ๊ฐ€์น˜(NAV) ๋Œ€๋น„ ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์—„ ์ˆ˜์ค€, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํŒŒ์ดํ”„๋ผ์ธ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ํˆฌ์ž ๊ธฐํšŒ๋“ค์„ ์ข…ํ•ฉ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•ด์„œ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ๋กœ์„œ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ์ˆ˜์ต์„ฑ์„ ๊ฐ์•ˆํ•  ๋•Œ ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ์ง€์›ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ์„ ํƒ์ง€๋กœ ATM์„ ํ™œ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ข‹์€ ์œ„์น˜์— ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Peter Federico: President, CEO & Director and Chief Investment Officer Yes. It was a great environment, a sort of a confluence of positive factors because we could obviously issue it very accretively and we could deploy it at really attractive return levels. Now we can still issue it accretively, and so that's a positive factor going forward. But obviously, the return profile is not quite as attractive as it was. But as I mentioned, it still exceeds the threshold. So it's something that we will continue to do. But I would also say sort of that we're certainly very comfortable with our size and our scale and our liquidity. Also there's no urgency on our part to feel like we need to grow. The decision to issue capital will be just based solely on the economics that we see in the environment. So we're certainly very happy with our size and scale and liquidity and like where we are today.**Peter Federico:** ๋„ค, ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ธ์ •์  ์š”์ธ๋“ค์ด ๋™์‹œ์— ์ž‘์šฉํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ธ๋ฐ์š”, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ์œ ๋ฆฌํ•œ ์กฐ๊ฑด์œผ๋กœ ์ž๋ณธ์„ ์กฐ๋‹ฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ , ๋™์‹œ์— ์ •๋ง ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ  ์ˆ˜์ค€์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐฐ์น˜ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ๋„ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์œ ๋ฆฌํ•œ ์กฐ๊ฑด์œผ๋กœ ์ž๋ณธ ์กฐ๋‹ฌ์ด ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Š” ์•ž์œผ๋กœ๋„ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ์š”์ธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค๋งŒ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ  ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ๋Š” ์˜ˆ์ „๋งŒํผ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ด์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฐ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ธฐ์ค€์น˜๋Š” ์ดˆ๊ณผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ์ถ”์ง„ํ•  ์‚ฌ์•ˆ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋‹ค๋งŒ ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๊ฒƒ์€, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ˜„์žฌ์˜ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์™€ ์œ ๋™์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งค์šฐ ๋งŒ์กฑํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์„ฑ์žฅํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์–ด๋–ค ์กฐ๊ธ‰ํ•จ๋„ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž๋ณธ ์กฐ๋‹ฌ ๊ฒฐ์ •์€ ์ˆœ์ „ํžˆ ์‹œ์žฅ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์—์„œ ๋ณด์ด๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์ œ์„ฑ์—๋งŒ ๊ทผ๊ฑฐํ•ด์„œ ๋‚ด๋ฆด ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์™€ ์œ ๋™์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งค์šฐ ๋งŒ์กฑํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ง€๊ธˆ์˜ ์œ„์น˜๊ฐ€ ์ข‹๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Jason Stewart: Compass Point Research & Trading, LLC, Research Division Okay. Got it. That makes sense. And then in terms of the MBS market, we've talked a lot about demand from the GSEs. But outside of the GSEs, when we think about traditional buyers, banks, as rates are going down, and there's been a little bit more mixed activity in terms of foreign demand. What's your take on how those 2 buyers evolve over the course of the next 12 months?**Jason Stewart:** ๋„ค, ์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  MBS ์‹œ์žฅ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ๋ณด๋ฉด, GSE๋“ค์˜ ์ˆ˜์š”์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งŽ์€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆด๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. GSE ์™ธ์— ์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ ๋งค์ˆ˜์ž๋“ค, ํŠนํžˆ ์€ํ–‰๋“ค์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณด๋ฉด, ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋ฝํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ  ํ•ด์™ธ ์ˆ˜์š” ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ๋Š” ๋‹ค์†Œ ์—‡๊ฐˆ๋ฆฐ ์›€์ง์ž„์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ–ฅํ›„ 12๊ฐœ์›” ๋™์•ˆ ์ด ๋‘ ๋งค์ˆ˜ ์ฃผ์ฒด๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ณ€ํ™”ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์‹œ๋Š”์ง€ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Peter Federico: President, CEO & Director and Chief Investment Officer Yes. When you look at the market, I talked about the supply outlook. And again, the supply outlook really is going to be very similar, at least at today's levels. Now obviously, if rates come down and we have more refinance activity, these numbers will change. But again, from a supply outlook, it's about $400 billion that will have to be consumed by the private sector. And we know that the GSEs -- $200 billion, obviously, is very meaningful. So they could consume quite a bit of that supply, which would be very positive. But taking the GSEs out of it, I think what's also important, and this is a differentiator of the market today versus a year ago or two years ago, where the market was really dominated by money managers. When we look at the demand for mortgages today, I see a more diverse investor base, and that's really positive for the overall market. When you look at what money managers have done given where returns are in the equity market, given the administration's focus on long-term interest rates, I think bond fund inflows will continue to be very sizable. Last year, I think it came close to about $500 billion of inflows. The year before that, it was $450 million. So I would expect bond fund inflows to remain strong in the environment -- in the current environment, which would translate to money managers buying -- is probably somewhere between $100 billion and $200 billion of mortgages. So money managers and GSEs could consume a lot of the production. Then we have banks, which we know are growing their position, but at a very gradual pace. But I do expect the regulatory changes that will come in 2026 will be positive for MBS and mortgage risk in general. So I expect banks to buy more than $50 billion, which is, I think, most people's projections. Foreign demand has been stable but I expect that could also have a little bit of upside because I think the environment is a little bit better versus the last couple of years. And then REITs, again, they were a big contributor to the mortgage market in 2025. And I would expect that REIT demand can continue to be strong given all that we're talking about here this morning. So when you add up all the demand, I think you could credibly come up with a scenario where demand is outpacing the supply in 2026.**Peter Federico:** ์‹œ์žฅ์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ณต๊ธ‰ ์ „๋ง์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ณต๊ธ‰ ์ „๋ง์€ ์ ์–ด๋„ ํ˜„์žฌ ์ˆ˜์ค€์—์„œ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ์œ ์‚ฌํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก  ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋ฝํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ฆฌํŒŒ์ด๋‚ธ์‹ฑ ํ™œ๋™์ด ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•˜๋ฉด ์ด ์ˆ˜์น˜๋“ค์€ ๋‹ฌ๋ผ์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๊ณต๊ธ‰ ์ „๋ง ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ๋ฏผ๊ฐ„ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์ด ์†Œํ™”ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๋ฌผ๋Ÿ‰์ด ์•ฝ 4์ฒœ์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. GSE๋“ค์ด 2์ฒœ์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐจ์ง€ํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ด๋Š” ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๋งค์šฐ ์˜๋ฏธ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ทœ๋ชจ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ๊ณต๊ธ‰ ๋ฌผ๋Ÿ‰์„ ์†Œํ™”ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ , ์ด๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ GSE๋ฅผ ์ œ์™ธํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ณด๋ฉด, ๋˜ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚  ์‹œ์žฅ๊ณผ 1๋…„ ์ „ ๋˜๋Š” 2๋…„ ์ „ ์‹œ์žฅ์˜ ์ฐจ๋ณ„ํ™” ์š”์†Œ์ธ๋ฐ, ๋‹น์‹œ ์‹œ์žฅ์€ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ƒ ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ์‚ฌ๋“ค์ด ์ง€๋ฐฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์ˆ˜์š”๋ฅผ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด๋ฉด, ํˆฌ์ž์ž ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜์ด ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•ด์กŒ๊ณ , ์ด๋Š” ์ „์ฒด ์‹œ์žฅ์— ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ์‚ฌ๋“ค์˜ ์›€์ง์ž„์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ฃผ์‹์‹œ์žฅ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ  ์ˆ˜์ค€๊ณผ ํ˜„ ํ–‰์ •๋ถ€์˜ ์žฅ๊ธฐ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•  ๋•Œ, ์ฑ„๊ถŒํŽ€๋“œ๋กœ์˜ ์ž๊ธˆ ์œ ์ž…์€ ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ๊ทœ๋ชจ๋ฅผ ์œ ์ง€ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž‘๋…„์—๋Š” ์•ฝ 5์ฒœ์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์— ๊ฐ€๊นŒ์šด ์œ ์ž…์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ ์ „๋…„๋„์—๋Š” 4์–ต 5์ฒœ๋งŒ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํ˜„์žฌ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์—์„œ ์ฑ„๊ถŒํŽ€๋“œ ์œ ์ž…์€ ๊ฐ•์„ธ๋ฅผ ์ด์–ด๊ฐˆ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Š” ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ์‚ฌ๋“ค์ด ๋Œ€๋žต 1์ฒœ์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์—์„œ 2์ฒœ์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์˜ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€๋ฅผ ๋งค์ž…ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์ด์–ด์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ์‚ฌ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ •๋ถ€์ง€์›๊ธฐ์—…(GSEs)์ด ๋ฐœํ–‰ ๋ฌผ๋Ÿ‰์˜ ์ƒ๋‹น ๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ์†Œํ™”ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ๋‹ค์Œ์œผ๋กœ ์€ํ–‰๋“ค์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ด๋“ค์ด ํฌ์ง€์…˜์„ ๋Š˜๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑด ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋งค์šฐ ์ ์ง„์ ์ธ ์†๋„๋กœ ์ง„ํ–‰๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ 2026๋…„์— ์‹œํ–‰๋  ๊ทœ์ œ ๋ณ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ MBS์™€ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ๋ฆฌ์Šคํฌ ์ „๋ฐ˜์— ๊ธ์ •์ ์ผ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์€ํ–‰๋“ค์ด ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์ „๋ง์น˜์ธ 500์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ด์ƒ์„ ๋งค์ž…ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•ด์™ธ ์ˆ˜์š”๋Š” ์•ˆ์ •์ ์ด์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ง€๋‚œ ๋ช‡ ๋…„๊ณผ ๋น„๊ตํ•ด ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋‚˜์•„์ง„ ๋งŒํผ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ๋„ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ์ƒ์Šน ์—ฌ๋ ฅ์ด ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฆฌ์ธ (REITs)์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ, 2025๋…„์— ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์‹œ์žฅ์— ํฐ ๊ธฐ์—ฌ๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์•„์นจ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋…ผ์˜ํ•œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•  ๋•Œ, ๋ฆฌ์ธ  ์ˆ˜์š”๋„ ๊ณ„์† ๊ฐ•์„ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ชจ๋“  ์ˆ˜์š”๋ฅผ ํ•ฉ์‚ฐํ•ด ๋ณด๋ฉด, 2026๋…„์—๋Š” ์ˆ˜์š”๊ฐ€ ๊ณต๊ธ‰์„ ์ดˆ๊ณผํ•˜๋Š” ์‹œ๋‚˜๋ฆฌ์˜ค๊ฐ€ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํžˆ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

Operator: The next question comes from Rick Shane with JPMorgan.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ JPMorgan์˜ Rick Shane์œผ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Richard Shane: JPMorgan Chase & Co, Research Division I need to buzz in one question before Jason. He really covered my topics. But just one quick clarification. It sounds like you guys are slowing issuance given the incremental return on deployed capital, which makes sense. You also said in response to Jason that you hadn't issued any equity through the ATM quarter-to-date. I am curious was that actually by choice? Or are you blacked out on the ATM until you issue earnings just so we understand really how much you're dialing back if it was a function of what you're allowed to do versus what you've chosen to do?**Richard Shane:** ์ œ์ด์Šจ์ด ์ œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ ์ฃผ์ œ๋ฅผ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋‹ค ๋‹ค๋ค„์ฃผ์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ, ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋งŒ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฆ๋ถ„ ํˆฌํ•˜์ž๋ณธ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ (incremental return on deployed capital)์„ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•ด์„œ ๋ฐœํ–‰์„ ๋Šฆ์ถ”๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ, ์ด๋Š” ํ•ฉ๋ฆฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ ์ œ์ด์Šจ์˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋‹ต๋ณ€์—์„œ ์ด๋ฒˆ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋“ค์–ด ATM์„ ํ†ตํ•œ ์ฃผ์‹ ๋ฐœํ–‰์ด ์—†์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•œ ์ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์„ ํƒ์— ์˜ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ๋Š”์ง€, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์‹ค์  ๋ฐœํ‘œ ์ „๊นŒ์ง€ ATM ๋ฐœํ–‰์ด ์ œํ•œ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฑด์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์•ผ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์ถ•์†Œํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹  ๊ฑด์ง€, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๊ทœ์ œ์ƒ ํ—ˆ์šฉ๋œ ๋ฒ”์œ„์˜ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ธ์ง€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์„ ํƒ์˜ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ธ์ง€ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Peter Federico: President, CEO & Director and Chief Investment Officer Well, that's a good clarification. I would say 2 things that I would describe my answer to the future issuance as being opportunistic and driven not by any desire to be larger or have greater scale, but just driven by the economics of the opportunity in terms of the value to our existing shareholders. And then from a quarter-to-date perspective, most companies, I think you will find in a blackout period from the end of the previous period to sometime around their earnings call. So that would be a typical pattern for companies to not know......**Peter Federico:** ์ข‹์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ–ฅํ›„ ๋ฐœํ–‰๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ๊ธฐํšŒ์ฃผ์˜์ (opportunistic)์œผ๋กœ ์ ‘๊ทผํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ๊ทœ๋ชจ๋ฅผ ํ‚ค์šฐ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋” ํฐ ์Šค์ผ€์ผ์„ ์ถ”๊ตฌํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ์š•์‹ฌ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ, ์ˆœ์ „ํžˆ ๊ธฐ์กด ์ฃผ์ฃผ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ œ๊ณตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฐ€์น˜ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ๊ฒฝ์ œ์„ฑ์— ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜ํ•ด ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ํ˜„ํ™ฉ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ๋Š”, ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ๊ธฐ์—…๋“ค์ด ์ „ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์ข…๋ฃŒ ์‹œ์ ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹ค์  ๋ฐœํ‘œ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค์ฝœ ์‹œ์ ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋ธ”๋ž™์•„์›ƒ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„(blackout period)์— ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์„ ์•„์‹ค ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ธฐ์—…๋“ค์ด ์ด ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ์€ ์•Œ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ํŒจํ„ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค......
Richard Shane: JPMorgan Chase & Co, Research Division Perfect. That was the clarification I was looking for.**Richard Shane:** ์™„๋ฒฝํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ฐพ๋˜ ์„ค๋ช…์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Peter Federico: President, CEO & Director and Chief Investment Officer**Peter Federico:** I notice that you've only provided titles/roles rather than actual spoken content from an earnings call Q&A session.

Could you please provide the actual management response or answer that needs to be translated? For example, the spoken content where an executive with these titles responds to analyst questions during an earnings call.

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Operator: The next question comes from Eric Hagen with BTIG.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ BTIG์˜ Eric Hagen์ด ํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Eric Hagen: BTIG, LLC, Research Division I just want to get your perspective on prepayment speeds, maybe at what level for mortgage rates do you think really gets the refi market moving? And would you guys modify the hedging in any way or take off some of the longer-dated hedges, if it looked like refis were really going to accelerate?**Eric Hagen:** BTIG, LLC, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์กฐ๊ธฐ์ƒํ™˜ ์†๋„์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฒฌํ•ด๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋А ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด ๋˜์–ด์•ผ ๋ฆฌํŒŒ์ด๋‚ธ์‹ฑ ์‹œ์žฅ์ด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ํ™œ์„ฑํ™”๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์‹œ๋Š”์ง€์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋ฆฌํŒŒ์ด๋‚ธ์‹ฑ์ด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ฐ€์†ํ™”๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์ธ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ํ—ค์ง• ์ „๋žต์„ ์ˆ˜์ •ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์žฅ๊ธฐ ํ—ค์ง€ ํฌ์ง€์…˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๋ฅผ ํ•ด์ œํ•˜์‹ค ๊ณ„ํš์ด ์žˆ์œผ์‹ ๊ฐ€์š”?
Peter Federico: President, CEO & Director and Chief Investment Officer Say that last part again, Eric, please?**Peter Federico:** ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ, Eric?
Eric Hagen: BTIG, LLC, Research Division Would you adjust any of the hedges or take off some of the longer-dated hedges if it looked like the refi market was really going to accelerate?**Eric Hagen:**

๋ฆฌํŒŒ์ด๋‚ธ์‹ฑ(์žฌ์œต์ž) ์‹œ์žฅ์ด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ํฌ๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€์†ํ™”๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์ธ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ํ—ค์ง€(์œ„ํ—˜ํšŒํ”ผ) ํฌ์ง€์…˜์„ ์กฐ์ •ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์žฅ๊ธฐ ํ—ค์ง€ ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€๋ฅผ ํ•ด์ œํ•˜์‹ค ๊ณ„ํš์ด ์žˆ์œผ์‹ ๊ฐ€์š”?

Peter Federico: President, CEO & Director and Chief Investment Officer So let me start with a couple of questions -- a couple of points, and then we'll -- then you can ask me some follow-ups. Obviously, prepayment risk is greater today and certainly, I think it's greater given the direction of the administration. So composition of the portfolio, I think, is going to be a real key in terms of mortgage performance going forward. I think it's going to -- the story will not -- even though in a tighter spread environment, asset selection becomes a much more critical factor on a go-forward basis. And it's -- what are the assets that you're choosing and what are the assets that you're avoiding choosing, which is really important. Coupon composition is going to be really important. And the type of characteristics you have in your pools is going to be really important. When I look, for example, just to give you a couple of numbers on the coupon distribution. I think this is really important. When I look at our position of 5.5 and above, when I think about the moneyness of mortgages and what that 5.5 means with a mortgage rate, 6.5 or something there, about 48% of our portfolio is in 5.5 and above. But what's important of that population, 87% of that population has some form of underlying attribute or characteristic that we believe will make those cash flows potentially more stable. And so that's really what is really important when you look at the underlying characteristics, whether they're -- the channel they came through or the credit or the geography, all those Fed loan balance, all those things, what's happening with the GSEs in terms of their pricing, how do they all fit together? They could be very significant drivers of performance on a go-forward basis. So the specified pool characteristics are going to be really important. Chris and I were just actually looking at some numbers this morning, which I just thought were interesting. When we looked at, for example, our 6.5 population, which is only 5% of our portfolio, the cheapest to deliver cohort in the 6.5 population today is paying at a 52% CPR. Our population is trading at just less than half of that from a CPR perspective. So the underlying characteristics matter a lot. The coupon composition will matter a lot. It will be the key driver. We also, from an interest rate perspective and from a hedging perspective, as you point out, I think it's also going to be important to operate with a positive duration gap because obviously, as rates go down, it will be more challenging for mortgages and it will affect the supply outlook. So a positive duration gap will be important. And you'll also notice, and we did this last quarter, but it's still there today. We also have actually a fairly substantial receiver swaption position, which will give us some incremental protection. So all the combination of how do we position the portfolio from a hedge perspective, the duration gap using option-based hedges and in particular, avoiding the worst pools and selecting pools that we think have really attractive characteristics should benefit us in this rising prepayment environment.**Peter Federico:** ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ ์ฃผ์‹œ๋ฉด ๋‹ต๋ณ€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ ์กฐ๊ธฐ์ƒํ™˜ ๋ฆฌ์Šคํฌ๊ฐ€ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์ปค์ง„ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด๊ณ , ํŠนํžˆ ํ˜„ ํ–‰์ •๋ถ€์˜ ์ •์ฑ… ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์„ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•˜๋ฉด ๋”์šฑ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค ๊ตฌ์„ฑ์ด ํ–ฅํ›„ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ์ขŒ์šฐํ•˜๋Š” ํ•ต์‹ฌ ์š”์†Œ๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ์ถ•์†Œ๋˜๋Š” ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์—์„œ๋Š” ์ž์‚ฐ ์„ ํƒ์ด ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์š”์†Œ๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด๋–ค ์ž์‚ฐ์„ ์„ ํƒํ•˜๊ณ , ์–ด๋–ค ์ž์‚ฐ์„ ๋ฐฐ์ œํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ธ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฟ ํฐ ๊ตฌ์„ฑ๋„ ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์š”์†Œ๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ณด์œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ํ’€์˜ ํŠน์„ฑ์ด ์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์ฟ ํฐ ๋ถ„ํฌ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ˆ˜์น˜๋ฅผ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด ์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 5.5% ์ด์ƒ ํฌ์ง€์…˜์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€์˜ ์ˆ˜์ต์„ฑ๊ณผ 5.5%๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ๋กœ ํ™˜์‚ฐํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์•ฝ 6.5% ์ •๋„๋ฅผ ์˜๋ฏธํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์„ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•˜๋ฉด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์˜ ์•ฝ 48%๊ฐ€ 5.5% ์ด์ƒ์— ํ•ด๋‹นํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ ์€, ์ด ๊ตฌ๊ฐ„์— ์†ํ•œ ์ž์‚ฐ์˜ 87%๊ฐ€ ํ˜„๊ธˆํ๋ฆ„์„ ๋ณด๋‹ค ์•ˆ์ •์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์–ด๋–ค ํ˜•ํƒœ์˜ ๊ธฐ์ดˆ ์†์„ฑ์ด๋‚˜ ํŠน์„ฑ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ ํŠน์„ฑ๋“ค์„ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณผ ๋•Œ ์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์œ ์ž… ์ฑ„๋„์ด๋“ , ์‹ ์šฉ๋„๋“ , ์ง€์—ญ์ด๋“ , ์—ฐ๋ฐฉ ๋Œ€์ถœ ์ž”์•ก์ด๋“ , ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ์š”์†Œ๋“ค๊ณผ GSE๋“ค์˜ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ ์ •์ฑ…์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋งž๋ฌผ๋ฆฌ๋Š”์ง€๊ฐ€ ํ–ฅํ›„ ์„ฑ๊ณผ์— ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๋™์ธ์ด ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํŠน์ • ํ’€์˜ ํŠน์„ฑ๋“ค์ด ์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์™€ ์ €๋Š” ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์•„์นจ์— ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ˆ˜์น˜๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ •๋ง ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ๋‚ด์šฉ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์˜ 5%์— ๋ถˆ๊ณผํ•œ 6.5% ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ํฌ์ง€์…˜์„ ์‚ดํŽด๋ดค๋Š”๋ฐ, ํ˜„์žฌ 6.5% ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ํฌ์ง€์…˜์—์„œ ์ธ๋„ ๋น„์šฉ์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋‚ฎ์€ ์ฝ”ํ˜ธํŠธ๊ฐ€ 52% CPR(์กฐ๊ธฐ์ƒํ™˜์œจ)๋กœ ์ƒํ™˜๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋Š” CPR ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ๋ณผ ๋•Œ ๊ทธ ์ ˆ๋ฐ˜ ๋ฏธ๋งŒ ์ˆ˜์ค€์—์„œ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ธฐ์ดˆ ํŠน์„ฑ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฟ ํฐ ๊ตฌ์„ฑ์ด ํ•ต์‹ฌ ๋™์ธ์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ๊ด€์ ๊ณผ ํ—ค์ง• ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ํ”Œ๋Ÿฌ์Šค ๋“€๋ ˆ์ด์…˜ ๊ฐญ(positive duration gap)์„ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋ฝํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€์— ๋” ์–ด๋ ค์šด ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ  ๊ณต๊ธ‰ ์ „๋ง์—๋„ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ”Œ๋Ÿฌ์Šค ๋“€๋ ˆ์ด์…˜ ๊ฐญ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ง€๋‚œ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ์—๋„ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ ธ์ง€๋งŒ ์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚ ์—๋„ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์˜ ๋ฆฌ์‹œ๋ฒ„ ์Šค์™‘์…˜(receiver swaption) ํฌ์ง€์…˜์„ ๋ณด์œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ถ”๊ฐ€์ ์ธ ๋ณดํ˜ธ ์žฅ์น˜๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํ—ค์ง€ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํฌ์ง€์…”๋‹ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€, ์˜ต์…˜ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜ ํ—ค์ง€๋ฅผ ํ™œ์šฉํ•œ ๋“€๋ ˆ์ด์…˜ ๊ฐญ ๊ด€๋ฆฌ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํŠนํžˆ ์ตœ์•…์˜ ํ’€์€ ํ”ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์ •๋ง ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ํŠน์„ฑ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ํ’€์„ ์„ ํƒํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ, ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ์กฐํ•ฉ์ด ์ƒ์Šนํ•˜๋Š” ์กฐ๊ธฐ์ƒํ™˜ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์œ ๋ฆฌํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ž‘์šฉํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

Operator: And our last question comes from the line of Harsh Hemnani with Green Street.**Operator:** ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ Green Street์˜ Harsh Hemnani๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ฐ›๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Harsh Hemnani: Green Street Advisors, LLC, Research Division So as we look at the composition of the mortgage market, it's more barbelled today versus what it was over its history. And in the context of the PAR coupon being close to 5%, the coupons at 4% and 5%, there's less outstanding there versus in higher coupons and lower coupons. And then also, it sounds like from the messaging from the administration, GSE purchases are going to come in at those PAR coupons. How is that environment sort of affecting your ability to, first off, pick pools in this environment where there's less outstanding at the coupons you favored and then also deploy capital into those coupons?**Harsh Hemnani:** ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์‹œ์žฅ์˜ ๊ตฌ์„ฑ์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ์— ๋น„ํ•ด ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์–‘๊ทนํ™”๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. PAR ์ฟ ํฐ์ด 5%์— ๊ฐ€๊นŒ์šด ์ƒํ™ฉ์—์„œ 4%์™€ 5% ์ฟ ํฐ์˜ ์ž”์•ก์ด ๋” ๋†’์€ ์ฟ ํฐ์ด๋‚˜ ๋” ๋‚ฎ์€ ์ฟ ํฐ์— ๋น„ํ•ด ์ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ ํ–‰์ •๋ถ€์˜ ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ฉด GSE ๋งค์ž…์ด ํ•ด๋‹น PAR ์ฟ ํฐ ์ˆ˜์ค€์—์„œ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์ด ๊ท€์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์„ ํ˜ธํ•˜๋Š” ์ฟ ํฐ์—์„œ ์ž”์•ก์ด ์ ์€ ์ƒํ™ฉ์—์„œ ํ’€์„ ์„ ํƒํ•˜๊ณ , ํ•ด๋‹น ์ฟ ํฐ์— ์ž๋ณธ์„ ๋ฐฐ์น˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์— ์–ด๋–ค ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
Peter Federico: President, CEO & Director and Chief Investment Officer Yes. I think I got all that. I would say you're right. I mean one of the things that we have talked about and focused on is the fact that I would expect the GSEs to -- first off, I would expect the GSEs to make decisions based on the economics of the mortgage market, but I would expect their focus of their purchases to likely be around the PAR coupon because that will have the greatest impact on the primary mortgage rate, which is what they're trying to affect. And that's why when you -- for example, when you look at the performance across the coupon stack even quarter-to-date, that 5%-ish coupon is probably 15 basis points tighter. But the rest of the coupon stock on average, for example, our portfolio, and Bernie mentioned our returns quarter-to-date, are more consistent with about 5 basis points on average because all the other coupons didn't move nearly as much. So -- but from an overall perspective, I mean, that's not particularly challenging from our perspective. We certainly have a lot of liquidity in all of these coupons. Obviously, the largest cohorts are the lower coupons and you mentioned sort of those intermediate coupons. But there is ample liquidity. When you think about the $9 trillion market, there is ample liquidity for us to move into various coupons, into 4s, 4.5s. We have a sizable position in those coupons today. So there's plenty of liquidity for us to position the portfolio anyway we want from an overall coupon distribution perspective. And I would expect the current coupon to be the area that has the most focus from an external perspective.**Peter Federico:** ๋„ค, ๋ชจ๋“  ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋‹ค ์ดํ•ดํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ณ„์† ๋…ผ์˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•ด์˜จ ๋ถ€๋ถ„ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” GSE๋“ค์ด ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์‹œ์žฅ์˜ ๊ฒฝ์ œ์„ฑ์„ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜์œผ๋กœ ์˜์‚ฌ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๋งค์ž… ์ดˆ์ ์€ PAR ์ฟ ํฐ(par coupon) ๋ถ€๊ทผ์— ๋งž์ถฐ์งˆ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์ด ๋†’๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด 1์ฐจ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ์— ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ , ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ์ฃผ๊ณ ์ž ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์ฟ ํฐ ์Šคํƒ(coupon stack) ์ „๋ฐ˜์˜ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋ˆ„๊ณ„ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด๋”๋ผ๋„, 5% ์ •๋„์˜ ์ฟ ํฐ์ด ์•ฝ 15bp ์ •๋„ ํƒ€์ดํŠธํ•ด์ง„ ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ™•์ธํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚˜๋จธ์ง€ ์ฟ ํฐ ์ข…๋ชฉ๋“ค์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ํ‰๊ท ์ ์œผ๋กœ, ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฒ„๋‹ˆ๊ฐ€ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•œ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋ˆ„๊ณ„ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ํ‰๊ท ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์•ฝ 5bp ์ •๋„๋กœ ๋” ์ผ๊ด€์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ฟ ํฐ๋“ค์€ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์›€์ง์ด์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ „์ฒด์ ์ธ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ํŠน๋ณ„ํžˆ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ์ƒํ™ฉ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ์ฟ ํฐ๋“ค์—์„œ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•œ ์œ ๋™์„ฑ์„ ํ™•๋ณดํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์—ฐํžˆ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ๋น„์ค‘์€ ๋‚ฎ์€ ์ฟ ํฐ๋“ค์ด๊ณ , ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ์ค‘๊ฐ„ ์ฟ ํฐ๋“ค๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์œ ๋™์„ฑ์€ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 9์กฐ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์˜ ์‹œ์žฅ์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณด๋ฉด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ 4%, 4.5% ๋“ฑ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ฟ ํฐ์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋™ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์œ ๋™์„ฑ์ด ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ˜„์žฌ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ฟ ํฐ๋“ค์—์„œ ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์˜ ํฌ์ง€์…˜์„ ๋ณด์œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 150

๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ „์ฒด ์ฟ ํฐ ๋ถ„ํฌ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋ฅผ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์œผ๋กœ ๊ตฌ์„ฑํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์œ ๋™์„ฑ์€ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ˜„์žฌ ์ฟ ํฐ(current coupon)์ด ์™ธ๋ถ€ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ฃผ๋ชฉ๋ฐ›๋Š” ์˜์—ญ์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Harsh Hemnani: Green Street Advisors, LLC, Research Division Got it. That's helpful. And then maybe on the duration gap, you touched on this a little bit. It's been growing for the past few quarters, and it adds that downgrade protection in an environment where prepayment risks are elevated. How should we expect that to evolve over the coming quarters? And then what's the boundaries around that, that we should be thinking about?**Harsh Hemnani:** ์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋„ค์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋“€๋ ˆ์ด์…˜ ๊ฐญ(duration gap)์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ์ด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. ์ง€๋‚œ ๋ช‡ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋™์•ˆ ๊ณ„์† ํ™•๋Œ€๋˜์–ด ์™”๊ณ , ์กฐ๊ธฐ์ƒํ™˜ ๋ฆฌ์Šคํฌ๊ฐ€ ๋†’์€ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์—์„œ ๋“ฑ๊ธ‰ ํ•˜๋ฝ ๋ฐฉ์–ด ํšจ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ–ฅํ›„ ๋ช‡ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋™์•ˆ ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ „๊ฐœ๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๋ฒ”์œ„๋‚˜ ํ•œ๊ณ„๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋‚˜์š”?
Peter Federico: President, CEO & Director and Chief Investment Officer Yes. You're right. I mean, I think we ended the quarter, our duration gap was like [ 0.3/10 ] a year or something like that. It's larger than that today because the 10-year has backed up. So right now, we have about a half a year -- that was 0.4 at the end of last quarter. I think it's just a little higher than that, maybe 0.5 this morning. Because the 10-year now is up about [ 420 ] or a little bit above. So to the extent that the 10-year rate stays here or maybe moves a little higher, I would expect our duration gap to widen even more because I think the risk to lower rates would obviously increase. I don't expect the 10-year to move very much above, say, [ 435 ] and I expect there to be some risk that it gets back down closer to 4%. So our duration gap probably in this neighborhood where we'll operate from a historical perspective, just to give you some guidance. I mean, I would say in the half year-ish type range, somewhere between 1/4 of year and 3/4 of the year would be typically where we would operate.**Peter Federico:** ๋„ค, ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€๋‚œ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋ง ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ์ €ํฌ ๋“€๋ ˆ์ด์…˜ ๊ฐญ(duration gap)์€ 0.3~0.4๋…„ ์ •๋„์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ 10๋…„๋ฌผ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ์Šนํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๊ทธ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ์ปค์ง„ ์ƒํƒœ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ ์•ฝ 0.5๋…„ ์ •๋„์˜ ๋“€๋ ˆ์ด์…˜ ๊ฐญ์„ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”, ์ง€๋‚œ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋ง์—๋Š” 0.4๋…„์ด์—ˆ๊ณ  ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์•„์นจ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ๋Š” 0.5๋…„ ์ •๋„๋กœ ์ถ”์ •๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 10๋…„๋ฌผ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ง€๊ธˆ 420bp ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋ณด๋‹ค ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๋†’์€ ์ˆ˜์ค€๊นŒ์ง€ ์˜ฌ๋ผ์™”๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ 10๋…„๋ฌผ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ˜„์žฌ ์ˆ˜์ค€์„ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ์ƒ์Šนํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์ €ํฌ ๋“€๋ ˆ์ด์…˜ ๊ฐญ์€ ๋”์šฑ ํ™•๋Œ€๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ํ•˜๋ฝ ๋ฆฌ์Šคํฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ช…๋ฐฑํžˆ ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 10๋…„๋ฌผ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ 435bp๋ฅผ ํฌ๊ฒŒ ์ƒํšŒํ•˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, 4%๋Œ€๋กœ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•˜๋ฝํ•  ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ๋„ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋“€๋ ˆ์ด์…˜ ๊ฐญ์€ ํ˜„์žฌ ์ˆ˜์ค€์—์„œ ์šด์˜๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค๋ฅผ ๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ํ†ต์ƒ์ ์œผ๋กœ 0.5๋…„ ์ •๋„ ๋ฒ”์œ„์—์„œ ์šด์˜ํ•ด์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋Œ€๋žต 0.25๋…„์—์„œ 0.75๋…„ ์‚ฌ์ด๊ฐ€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์šด์˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ตฌ๊ฐ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: We have now completed the question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the call back over to Peter Federico, for concluding remarks.**Operator:** ์ด์ œ ์งˆ์˜์‘๋‹ต ์„ธ์…˜์„ ๋งˆ์น˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งˆ๋ฌด๋ฆฌ ๋ง์”€์„ ์œ„ํ•ด Peter Federico๊ป˜ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋งˆ์ดํฌ๋ฅผ ๋„˜๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Peter Federico: President, CEO & Director and Chief Investment Officer Great. Thank you, operator, and thank you, everyone, again, for participating. We're obviously very pleased to be able to deliver outstanding results for our shareholders in 2025, and we look forward to 2026 in the environment that we're in and look forward to speaking to you again at the end of the first quarter. Thank you.**Peter Federico:** ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹  ๋ชจ๋“  ๋ถ„๋“ค๊ป˜ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 2025๋…„ ์ฃผ์ฃผ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๊ป˜ ํƒ์›”ํ•œ ์‹ค์ ์„ ์ „๋‹ฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์–ด ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธฐ์˜๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ์˜ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ ์†์—์„œ 2026๋…„์„ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, 1๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋ง์— ๋‹ค์‹œ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๊ณผ ๋ง์”€ ๋‚˜๋ˆŒ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: Thank you for joining the call. You may now disconnect.**Operator:** ์ „ํ™” ํšŒ์˜์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ์„ ์ข…๋ฃŒํ•˜์…”๋„ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๐Ÿ“Œ ์š”์•ฝ

# 2025๋…„ 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์‹ค์  ๋ฐœํ‘œ ์š”์•ฝ

## ์ฃผ์š” ๋‚ด์šฉ

โ€ข **์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ ๋ณ€ํ™”**: ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๋ฒ”์œ„๋กœ ์ง„์ž…. ํ˜„์žฌ ์ฟ ํฐ ๋Œ€๋น„ ์Šค์™‘ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋Š” 120-160bp ๋ฒ”์œ„(ํ˜„์žฌ 135bp), ๊ตญ์ฑ„ ๋Œ€๋น„๋Š” 90-130bp ๋ฒ”์œ„(ํ˜„์žฌ 110bp). ์‹ ๊ทœ ํˆฌ์ž ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์€ 13-15% ์ˆ˜์ค€์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒ๋˜๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Š” ๋ฐฐ๋‹น์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ (์•ฝ 12%)์„ ์ƒํšŒํ•˜๋‚˜ ์ด์ž๋ณธ๋น„์šฉ(15.8%)๊ณผ๋Š” ๊ทผ์ ‘ํ•œ ์ˆ˜์ค€

โ€ข **๋ฐฐ๋‹น ์ปค๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€ ๋ฐ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค ์ˆ˜์ต์„ฑ**: ๊ธฐ์กด ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์˜ ์ •๊ทœํ™”๋œ ์ˆœ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ๋ฐ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋กค ์ˆ˜์ต์€ ์ฃผ๋‹น $0.36์œผ๋กœ ROE ์•ฝ 16%๋ฅผ ์‹œํ˜„ํ•˜์—ฌ ์ด์ž๋ณธ๋น„์šฉ(15.8%)์„ ์ถฉ์กฑ. ๊ฒฝ์˜์ง„์€ ํ˜„์žฌ ๋ฐฐ๋‹น์ด ๊ธฐ์กด ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค ๊ฒฝ์ œ์„ฑ ๋ฐ ํšŒ๊ณ„์  ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ์ ์ • ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ‰๊ฐ€ํ–ˆ์œผ๋‚˜, ์‹ ๊ทœ ํˆฌ์ž ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ  ํ•˜๋ฝ์œผ๋กœ ์žฅ๊ธฐ์  ๋ฐฐ๋‹น ์ง€์†๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ชจ๋‹ˆํ„ฐ๋ง ํ•„์š”์„ฑ ์‹œ์‚ฌ

โ€ข **๋ ˆ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€ ๋ฐ ํ—ค์ง€ ์ „๋žต ์กฐ์ •**: ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ์ถ•์†Œ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€๋ฅผ ํ•˜ํ–ฅ ์กฐ์ •. ์Šค์™‘ ํ—ค์ง€ ๋น„์ค‘์„ 70%๋กœ ํ™•๋Œ€(์Šค์™‘ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ์•ˆ์ •์„ฑ ๊ฐœ์„ ). ๊ฒฝ์˜์ง„์€ ์ •๋ถ€ ์ •์ฑ…์˜ ์ง€์†๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ๊ณผ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ์•ˆ์ •์„ฑ์„ ํ™•์ธํ•œ ํ›„ ๋ ˆ