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๐Ÿ“„ Earnings Call Transcript ๋ฒˆ์—ญ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ

๐Ÿ“Š Presentation

Original Translation
Apollo Global Management, Inc.# ์•„ํด๋กœ ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ ๋งค๋‹ˆ์ง€๋จผํŠธ ์ฃผ์‹ํšŒ์‚ฌ

**์‹ค์  ๋ฐœํ‘œ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ**

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**๋ฐœํ‘œ์ž:**
- ๋…ธ์•„ ๊ตฌ๋‚˜(Noah Gunn) - ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ ํˆฌ์ž์ž ๊ด€๊ณ„ ์ฑ…์ž„์ž
- ๋งˆํฌ ๋กœ์™„(Marc Rowan) - ์ตœ๊ณ ๊ฒฝ์˜์ž(CEO)
- ์ง ์ คํ„ฐ(Jim Zelter) - ๊ณต๋™ ์‚ฌ์žฅ
- ์Šค์ฝง ํด๋ผ์ธ๋จผ(Scott Kleinman) - ๊ณต๋™ ์‚ฌ์žฅ
- ๋งˆํ‹ด ์ผˆ๋ฆฌ(Martin Kelly) - ์ตœ๊ณ ์žฌ๋ฌด์ฑ…์ž„์ž(CFO)

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**๋…ธ์•„ ๊ตฌ๋‚˜:**

์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ. ์•„ํด๋กœ์˜ 2024๋…„ 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์‹ค์  ๋ฐœํ‘œ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ์— ์˜ค์‹  ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ™˜์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ ํˆฌ์ž์ž ๊ด€๊ณ„ ์ฑ…์ž„์ž ๋…ธ์•„ ๊ตฌ๋‚˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์˜ค๋Š˜ ๋ฐœํ‘œ์—๋Š” CEO ๋งˆํฌ ๋กœ์™„, ๊ณต๋™ ์‚ฌ์žฅ ์ง ์ คํ„ฐ์™€ ์Šค์ฝง ํด๋ผ์ธ๋จผ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  CFO ๋งˆํ‹ด ์ผˆ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ณธ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ์€ ๋…น์Œ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์˜ค๋Š˜ ๋ฐœํ‘œ ์ž๋ฃŒ๋Š” ๋‹น์‚ฌ ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ investor.apollo.com์—์„œ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์˜ค๋Š˜ ๋…ผ์˜ํ•  ๋‚ด์šฉ ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์˜ˆ์ธก์ง„์ˆ ์„ ํฌํ•จํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์‹ค์ œ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ง„์ˆ ๊ณผ ํฌ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ด€๋ จ ์œ„ํ—˜์š”์ธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์ตœ๊ทผ SEC ์ œ์ถœ ์„œ๋ฅ˜๋ฅผ ์ฐธ์กฐํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋˜ํ•œ ๋น„-GAAP ์žฌ๋ฌด์ง€ํ‘œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋„ ๋…ผ์˜ํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ด๋ฉฐ, GAAP ๊ธฐ์ค€๊ณผ์˜ ์กฐ์ • ๋‚ด์—ญ์€ ์‹ค์  ์ž๋ฃŒ์—์„œ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์ด์ œ ๋งˆํฌ ๋กœ์™„ CEO์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฐœํ‘œ๋ฅผ ๋„˜๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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**๋งˆํฌ ๋กœ์™„:**

๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๋…ธ์•„. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ฐธ์„ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹  ๋ชจ๋“  ๋ถ„๋“ค๊ป˜ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

2024๋…„์€ ์•„ํด๋กœ์—๊ฒŒ ๊ธฐ๋ก์ ์ธ ํ•œ ํ•ด์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ํ•ต์‹ฌ ์ง€ํ‘œ์—์„œ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

**์ฃผ์š” ์‹ค์ :**
- ์šด์šฉ์ž์‚ฐ(AUM): 7,330์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋กœ ์ „๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ 26% ์ฆ๊ฐ€
- ์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๋ฃŒ ๊ด€๋ จ ์ˆ˜์ต(FRE): 43์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋กœ 24% ์ฆ๊ฐ€
- ๋ฐฐ๋‹น๊ธˆ: ์ฃผ๋‹น 2.84๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋กœ 21% ์ฆ๊ฐ€
- ์‹ ๊ทœ ์ž๊ธˆ ์œ ์น˜: 1,760์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ

ํŠนํžˆ ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์—์„œ 1,200์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ด์ƒ์˜ ์‹ ๊ทœ ์ž๊ธˆ์„ ์œ ์น˜ํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Š” ์—…๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ  ์ˆ˜์ค€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

**์ „๋žต์  ์„ฑ๊ณผ:**

์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์„ฑ๊ณต์€ ์„ธ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ํ•ต์‹ฌ ์ „๋žต์— ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค:

1. **ํ†ตํ•ฉ ํ”Œ๋žซํผ**: ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ๊ณผ ํ‡ด์ง์„œ๋น„์Šค๋ฅผ ๊ฒฐํ•ฉํ•œ ๋…ํŠนํ•œ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค ๋ชจ๋ธ
2. **๋Œ€์ฒดํˆฌ์ž ๋ฏผ์ฃผํ™”**: ๊ฐœ์ธํˆฌ์ž์ž ์ ‘๊ทผ์„ฑ ํ™•๋Œ€
3. **๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ ํ™•
(APO) Q4 2025 Earnings Call February 9, 2026 8:30 AM EST

Company Participants

Noah Gunn - MD of Finance & Global Head of Investor Relations in New York
Marc Rowan - CEO & Chairman of the Board
James Zelter - President & Director
Martin Kelly - Partner & CFO

Conference Call Participants

Michael Brown - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division
Alexander Blostein - Goldman Sachs Group, Inc., Research Division
Glenn Schorr - Evercore ISI Institutional Equities, Research Division
Patrick Davitt - Autonomous Research US LP
William Katz - TD Cowen, Research Division
Michael Cyprys - Morgan Stanley, Research Division
Kenneth Worthington - JPMorgan Chase & Co, Research Division
Benjamin Budish - Barclays Bank PLC, Research Division
Wilma Jackson Burdis - Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division
John Barnidge - Piper Sandler & Co., Research Division
Brennan Hawken - BMO Capital Markets Equity Research
Brian Bedell - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Presentation

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to Apollo Global Management's Fourth Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call.
(APO) 2025๋…„ 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์‹ค์  ๋ฐœํ‘œ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ 2026๋…„ 2์›” 9์ผ ์˜ค์ „ 8์‹œ 30๋ถ„ (๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๋™๋ถ€ ํ‘œ์ค€์‹œ)

ํšŒ์‚ฌ ์ฐธ์„์ž

Noah Gunn - ๋‰ด์š• ์žฌ๋ฌด ๋‹ด๋‹น ์ „๋ฌด์ด์‚ฌ ๊ฒธ ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ ํˆฌ์ž์ž ๊ด€๊ณ„ ์ฑ…์ž„์ž
Marc Rowan - CEO ๊ฒธ ์ด์‚ฌํšŒ ์˜์žฅ
James Zelter - ์‚ฌ์žฅ ๊ฒธ ์ด์‚ฌ
Martin Kelly - ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ ๊ฒธ CFO

์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ ์ฐธ์„ ์• ๋„๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ

Michael Brown - UBS ์ธ๋ฒ ์ŠคํŠธ๋จผํŠธ ๋ฑ…ํฌ, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
Alexander Blostein - ๊ณจ๋“œ๋งŒ์‚ญ์Šค ๊ทธ๋ฃน, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
Glenn Schorr - ์—๋ฒ„์ฝ”์–ด ISI ๊ธฐ๊ด€ํˆฌ์ž์ž ์ฃผ์‹ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
Patrick Davitt - ์–ดํ† ๋…ธ๋จธ์Šค ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ US LP
William Katz - TD ์ฝ”์›ฌ, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
Michael Cyprys - ๋ชจ๊ฑด์Šคํƒ ๋ฆฌ, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
Kenneth Worthington - JP๋ชจ๊ฑด ์ฒด์ด์Šค, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
Benjamin Budish - ๋ฐ”ํด๋ ˆ์ด์ฆˆ ์€ํ–‰, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
Wilma Jackson Burdis - ๋ ˆ์ด๋จผ๋“œ ์ œ์ž„์Šค ์•ค ์–ด์†Œ์‹œ์—์ด์ธ , ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
John Barnidge - ํŒŒ์ดํผ ์ƒŒ๋“ค๋Ÿฌ, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
Brennan Hawken - BMO ์บํ”ผํƒˆ ๋งˆ์ผ“์ธ  ์ฃผ์‹ ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜
Brian Bedell - ๋„์ด์ฒด๋ฐฉํฌ AG, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ

๋ฐœํ‘œ

์šด์˜์ž

์ข‹์€ ์•„์นจ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„ํด๋กœ ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ ๋งค๋‹ˆ์ง€๋จผํŠธ์˜ 2025๋…„ 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์‹ค์  ๋ฐœํ‘œ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ์— ์˜ค์‹  ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ™˜์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
[Operator Instructions] This conference call is being recorded. This call may include forward-looking statements and projections, which do not guarantee future events or performance. Please refer to Apollo's most recent SEC filings for risk factors related to these statements. Apollo will be discussing certain non-GAAP measures on this call, which management believes are relevant in assessing the financial performance of the business. These non-GAAP measures are reconciled to GAAP figures in Apollo's earnings presentation, which is available on the company's website.์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ. ๋ณธ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ์€ ๋…น์Œ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ณธ ์ฝœ์—๋Š” ๋ฏธ๋ž˜ ์‚ฌ๊ฑด์ด๋‚˜ ์‹ค์ ์„ ๋ณด์žฅํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์˜ˆ์ธก์ง„์ˆ  ๋ฐ ์ „๋ง์ด ํฌํ•จ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ง„์ˆ ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ์œ„ํ—˜์š”์ธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” Apollo์˜ ์ตœ๊ทผ SEC ์ œ์ถœ ์„œ๋ฅ˜๋ฅผ ์ฐธ์กฐํ•˜์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Apollo๋Š” ๋ณธ ์ฝœ์—์„œ ๊ฒฝ์˜์ง„์ด ์‚ฌ์—…์˜ ์žฌ๋ฌด ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ํ‰๊ฐ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๊ด€๋ จ์„ฑ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํŒ๋‹จํ•˜๋Š” ํŠน์ • ๋น„-GAAP ์ธก์ •์น˜๋ฅผ ๋…ผ์˜ํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋น„-GAAP ์ธก์ •์น˜๋Š” Apollo ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์—์„œ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์‹ค์  ๋ฐœํ‘œ ์ž๋ฃŒ์—์„œ GAAP ์ˆ˜์น˜์™€ ์กฐ์ •๋˜์–ด ์ œ์‹œ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Also note that nothing on this call constitutes an offer to sell or a solicitation of an offer to purchase an interest in any Apollo Fund. I would now like to turn the call over to Noah Gunn, Head of Investor Relations. Noah Gunn
MD of Finance & Global Head of Investor Relations in New York

Thanks, operator, and welcome again, everyone, to our call. Joining me to discuss our results and the momentum we're seeing across the business are Marc Rowan, CEO; Jim Zelter, President; and Martin Kelly, CFO. Earlier this morning, we published our earnings release and financial supplement on the Investor Relations portion of our website.
๋˜ํ•œ ๋ณธ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ์˜ ์–ด๋– ํ•œ ๋‚ด์šฉ๋„ Apollo ํŽ€๋“œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ง€๋ถ„์˜ ๋งค๊ฐ ์ œ์•ˆ์ด๋‚˜ ๋งค์ž… ๊ถŒ์œ ๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์„ฑํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Œ์„ ์œ ์˜ํ•˜์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ํˆฌ์ž์ž ๊ด€๊ณ„ ๋‹ด๋‹น ์ฑ…์ž„์ž์ธ Noah Gunn์—๊ฒŒ ๋งˆ์ดํฌ๋ฅผ ๋„˜๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

Noah Gunn
๋‰ด์š• ์†Œ์žฌ ์žฌ๋ฌด ๋‹ด๋‹น ์ „๋ฌด์ด์‚ฌ ๊ฒธ ํˆฌ์ž์ž ๊ด€๊ณ„ ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ ์ฑ…์ž„์ž

๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ์ง„ํ–‰์ž๋‹˜. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ €ํฌ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ์— ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ์˜ค์‹  ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ™˜์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์‹ค์ ๊ณผ ์‚ฌ์—… ์ „๋ฐ˜์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฉ˜ํ…€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋…ผ์˜ํ•  ๋ถ„๋“ค์€ Marc Rowan ์ตœ๊ณ ๊ฒฝ์˜์ž, Jim Zelter ์‚ฌ์žฅ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Martin Kelly ์ตœ๊ณ ์žฌ๋ฌด์ฑ…์ž„์ž์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์•„์นจ ์ผ์ฐ ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์‹ค์  ๋ฐœํ‘œ ์ž๋ฃŒ์™€ ์žฌ๋ฌด ๋ณด์ถฉ ์ž๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ๋‹น์‚ฌ ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์˜ ํˆฌ์ž์ž ๊ด€๊ณ„ ์„น์…˜์— ๊ฒŒ์‹œํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And our apologies for the later earnings date this quarter, this was principally due to our Partner Summit, which was a fantastic event that we held in Tokyo last week. As you can see, our results reflect the broad-based strength across the business and our team's exceptional execution throughout the year. For the full year, we generated record combined fee-related earnings and spread-related earnings of $5.9 billion, which drove adjusted net income of $5.2 billion, up 14% year-over-year or $8.38 per share. And so given the strength of these results, I've asked the guys to keep our remarks on the tighter side this quarter. But of course, we make no promises.์ด๋ฒˆ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์‹ค์  ๋ฐœํ‘œ๊ฐ€ ๋Šฆ์–ด์ง„ ์  ์‚ฌ๊ณผ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ์ฃผ๋กœ ์ง€๋‚œ์ฃผ ๋„์ฟ„์—์„œ ๊ฐœ์ตœํ•œ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ ์„œ๋ฐ‹ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ •๋ง ํ™˜์ƒ์ ์ธ ํ–‰์‚ฌ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ณด์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์‹ค์ ์€ ์‚ฌ์—… ์ „๋ฐ˜์— ๊ฑธ์นœ ๊ด‘๋ฒ”์œ„ํ•œ ๊ฐ•์„ธ์™€ ์—ฐ์ค‘ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํŒ€์˜ ํƒ์›”ํ•œ ์‹คํ–‰๋ ฅ์„ ๋ฐ˜์˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๋ฃŒ ๊ด€๋ จ ์ˆ˜์ต(fee-related earnings)๊ณผ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ๊ด€๋ จ ์ˆ˜์ต(spread-related earnings)์„ ํ•ฉ์ณ ์‚ฌ์ƒ ์ตœ๊ณ ์ธ 59์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Š” ์กฐ์ • ์ˆœ์ด์ต(adjusted net income) 52์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ๊ฒฌ์ธํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ์ „๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ 14% ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•œ ์ˆ˜์น˜๋กœ ์ฃผ๋‹น 8.38๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ์‹ค์ ์„ ๊ฐ์•ˆํ•˜์—ฌ, ์ด๋ฒˆ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ๋ฐœํ‘œ ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ์ข€ ๋” ๊ฐ„๊ฒฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๋„๋ก ์š”์ฒญํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก , ์•ฝ์†์€ ๋ชป ๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ง€๋งŒ์š”.
And with that, I'll hand it over to Marc. Marc Rowan
CEO & Chairman of the Board

Thanks, Noah. I will do my best. I have doubts about Jim and Martin, though. Again, an exceptional quarter, capping off an exceptional year. FRE for the year, $2.5 billion, up 23% year-over-year. SRE, $3.4 billion of normalized plus 9% year-over-year. Business is firing on all cylinders. Origination, record volume crossed the $300 billion mark. More importantly, robust consistent spread, 350 basis points over treasuries with an average rating of BBB. Capital formation, record inflows, $228 billion, both Athene and Asset Management, ACS, third straight record year.
๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, Noah. ์ตœ์„ ์„ ๋‹คํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Jim๊ณผ Martin์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ํ™•์‹ ์ด ์—†์ง€๋งŒ์š”. ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ํƒ์›”ํ•œ ํ•œ ํ•ด๋ฅผ ๋งˆ๋ฌด๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š” ํƒ์›”ํ•œ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ FRE๋Š” 25์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋กœ ์ „๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ 23% ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๊ทœํ™” SRE๋Š” 34์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋กœ ์ „๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ 9% ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ์—…์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์—์„œ ํ™œ๋ฐœํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ง„ํ–‰๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์กฐ๋‹ฌ ์‹ค์ ์€ ๊ธฐ๋ก์ ์ธ ๊ทœ๋ชจ๋กœ 3,000์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ๋ŒํŒŒํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋” ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ผ๊ด€๋œ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋กœ, ๊ตญ์ฑ„ ๋Œ€๋น„ 350bp์ด๋ฉฐ ํ‰๊ท  ์‹ ์šฉ๋“ฑ๊ธ‰์€ BBB์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž๋ณธ ์กฐ์„ฑ์€ ๊ธฐ๋ก์ ์ธ ์œ ์ž…์œผ๋กœ 2,280์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, Athene๊ณผ ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ ๋ชจ๋‘์—์„œ ACS๋Š” 3๋…„ ์—ฐ์† ๊ธฐ๋ก์„ ๊ฒฝ์‹ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Most important to us, this is all done with strong investment performance without reaching. To give you a sense of just how strong, all buckets of credit up 8% to 12%, hybrid value up 16% for the year. Fund X, our most recent vintage Fund '23, 22% net IRR, strong DPI versus an industry DPI that rounds closer to 0. Looking forward, all of the drivers that powered us in '25 are going to power us in '26. In fact, I would say that they're more mature. And if you think about what's happening in our business, we are going from serving one market, institutional Alts portfolios to serving 6 markets. We now serve individuals, we serve insurance.๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€, ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด๋ฆฌํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด์„œ๋„ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ํˆฌ์ž ์„ฑ๊ณผ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑ๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ์ง€ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ๋ชจ๋“  ํฌ๋ ˆ๋”ง ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์ด 8%์—์„œ 12% ์ƒ์Šนํ–ˆ๊ณ , ํ•˜์ด๋ธŒ๋ฆฌ๋“œ ๋ฐธ๋ฅ˜๋Š” ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ 16% ์ƒ์Šนํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ตœ๊ทผ ๋นˆํ‹ฐ์ง€์ธ ํŽ€๋“œ X, ํŽ€๋“œ '23์€ 22% ์ˆœ IRR์„ ๊ธฐ๋กํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์—…๊ณ„ DPI๊ฐ€ ๊ฑฐ์˜ 0์— ๊ฐ€๊นŒ์šด ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋น„๊ตํ•˜์—ฌ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ DPI๋ฅผ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ž์œผ๋กœ '25๋…„์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๊ฒฌ์ธํ–ˆ๋˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ๋™๋ ฅ๋“ค์ด '26๋…„์—๋„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๊ฒฌ์ธํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ์‹ค, ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ๋”์šฑ ์„ฑ์ˆ™ํ•ด์กŒ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‚ฌ์—…์—์„œ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณด๋ฉด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ์‹œ์žฅ, ์ฆ‰ ๊ธฐ๊ด€ํˆฌ์ž์ž ๋Œ€์ฒดํˆฌ์ž ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋ฅผ ์„œ๋น„์Šคํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์—์„œ 6๊ฐœ ์‹œ์žฅ์„ ์„œ๋น„์Šคํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ํ™•์žฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฐœ์ธํˆฌ์ž์ž๋„ ์„œ๋น„์Šคํ•˜๊ณ , ๋ณดํ—˜์‚ฌ๋„ ์„œ๋น„์Šคํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
We serve the debt and equity buckets of our institutional clients. We serve traditional asset managers, and we hope to serve more robustly the 401(k) market. Each of these markets has the ability to be roughly the same size as our original market, which powered the entire industry. Understanding that these markets require different products, different product structures, different access points, different investments in technology to serve. And you will see these markets mature more and more over time. And so as we look forward, we think the trends that are showing up in '25 will show up even more in '26 and again in '27.์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ธฐ๊ด€ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์˜ ์ฑ„๊ถŒ ๋ฐ ์ฃผ์‹ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์— ์„œ๋น„์Šค๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ์‚ฌ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์„œ๋น„์Šค๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, 401(k) ์‹œ์žฅ์—๋„ ๋”์šฑ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์„œ๋น„์Šค๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ณ ์ž ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋“ค ๊ฐ ์‹œ์žฅ์€ ์—…๊ณ„ ์ „์ฒด๋ฅผ ๊ฒฌ์ธํ–ˆ๋˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ธฐ์กด ์‹œ์žฅ๊ณผ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋™์ผํ•œ ๊ทœ๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž ์žฌ๋ ฅ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์‹œ์žฅ๋“ค์€ ์„œ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ƒํ’ˆ, ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ƒํ’ˆ ๊ตฌ์กฐ, ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ ‘๊ทผ ๋ฐฉ์‹, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์„œ๋น„์Šค ์ œ๊ณต์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ฐจ๋ณ„ํ™”๋œ ํˆฌ์ž๋ฅผ ํ•„์š”๋กœ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์‹œ์žฅ๋“ค์ด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ง€๋‚จ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ์ ์  ๋” ์„ฑ์ˆ™ํ•ด์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์•ž์„ ๋‚ด๋‹ค๋ณผ ๋•Œ, 2025๋…„์— ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚˜๋Š” ์ถ”์„ธ๊ฐ€ 2026๋…„์—๋Š” ๋”์šฑ ๋‘๋“œ๋Ÿฌ์ง€๊ฒŒ ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฉฐ, 2027๋…„์—๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€์ผ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
To give you a brief sense of progress, in the individual market, more than $18 billion of inflows, now 9 strategies in excess of $500 million of annual fundraising. Insurance, more than $15 billion of third-party insurance with a very active pipeline, increasing growth in our fixed income replacement business. And what we see is a number of the leading investors in the world moving to this notion of total portfolio approach. Total portfolio approach essentially opens up the debt and equity buckets of these institutions to private assets in competition for what has historically been 100% market share for public assets.๊ฐ„๋žตํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ง„ํ–‰ ์ƒํ™ฉ์„ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ๊ฐœ์ธํˆฌ์ž์ž ์‹œ์žฅ์—์„œ๋Š” 180์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ด์ƒ์˜ ์ž๊ธˆ ์œ ์ž…์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ํ˜„์žฌ 9๊ฐœ ์ „๋žต์ด ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ 5์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ด์ƒ์˜ ์ž๊ธˆ ๋ชจ์ง‘์„ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ณดํ—˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์—์„œ๋Š” 150์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ด์ƒ์˜ ์ œ3์ž ๋ณดํ—˜ ์ž์‚ฐ์„ ์šด์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ๋งค์šฐ ํ™œ๋ฐœํ•œ ํŒŒ์ดํ”„๋ผ์ธ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ฑ„๊ถŒ ๋Œ€์ฒด ์‚ฌ์—…์—์„œ ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•˜๋Š” ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ชฉ๊ฒฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ฃผ์š” ํˆฌ์ž์ž๋“ค์ด ํ† ํƒˆ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค ์ ‘๊ทผ๋ฒ•(total portfolio approach)์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฐœ๋…์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋™ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ† ํƒˆ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค ์ ‘๊ทผ๋ฒ•์€ ๋ณธ์งˆ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ธฐ๊ด€๋“ค์˜ ๋ถ€์ฑ„์™€ ์ฃผ์‹ ๋ฒ„ํ‚ท์„ ๋Œ€์ฒดํˆฌ์ž ์ž์‚ฐ์— ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉํ•˜์—ฌ, ์—ญ์‚ฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ณต๊ฐœ์‹œ์žฅ ์ž์‚ฐ์ด 100% ์‹œ์žฅ์ ์œ ์œจ์„ ์ฐจ์ง€ํ–ˆ๋˜ ์˜์—ญ์—์„œ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Traditional asset managers, you saw the announcement with Schroders this morning, which I expect to grow into a multibillion-dollar partnership. And PRIV, our ETF with State Street, now approaches $700 million in size. And more importantly, it's among the top performers of investment-grade ETFs everywhere. Again, proving that private can be both liquid and illiquid. In this case, private investment grade being fully liquid. We're also seeing progress in our DC and 401(k), products in motion with State Street, with Empower, with OneDigital and with one very large RIA.์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ์‚ฌ๋“ค๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ๋Š”, ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์•„์นจ ์Šˆ๋กœ๋”์Šค(Schroders)์™€์˜ ๋ฐœํ‘œ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์…จ์„ ํ…๋ฐ, ์ด๋Š” ์ˆ˜์‹ญ์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์˜ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ์‹ญ์œผ๋กœ ์„ฑ์žฅํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์Šคํ…Œ์ดํŠธ ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฆฌํŠธ(State Street)์™€์˜ ETF์ธ PRIV๋Š” ํ˜„์žฌ 7์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์— ๊ทผ์ ‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋” ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€, ์ด ์ƒํ’ˆ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ํˆฌ์ž๋“ฑ๊ธ‰ ETF ์ค‘์—์„œ ์ตœ๊ณ  ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋‚ด๋Š” ์ƒํ’ˆ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋ผ๋Š” ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ์‚ฌ๋ชจ์ž์‚ฐ์ด ์œ ๋™์ ์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„, ๋น„์œ ๋™์ ์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฆ๋ช…ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ๊ฒฝ์šฐ, ์‚ฌ๋ชจ ํˆฌ์ž๋“ฑ๊ธ‰ ์ž์‚ฐ์ด ์™„์ „ํžˆ ์œ ๋™์ ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” DC(ํ™•์ •๊ธฐ์—ฌํ˜•)์™€ 401(k) ์ƒํ’ˆ์—์„œ๋„ ์ง„์ „์„ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์Šคํ…Œ์ดํŠธ ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฆฌํŠธ, ์— ํŒŒ์›Œ(Empower), ์›๋””์ง€ํ„ธ(OneDigital), ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ•œ ๋Œ€ํ˜• RIA(๋“ฑ๋กํˆฌ์ž์ž๋ฌธ์‚ฌ)์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ง„ํ–‰ ์ค‘์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Everything we're talking about ultimately comes down to the promise of private markets, which is excess return per unit of risk. And our ability to generate assets or originate assets with excess spread at scale is becoming more and more important. And our historical investment in origination has given us a bit of a competitive moat that others are trying to catch up to. Outlook in '26 for Asset Management, which will not be a flagship fund year, continues to be 20% plus FRE growth. In Retirement Services, the demand for retirement income has never been higher. The global retirement crisis is coming much more into view.์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋…ผ์˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ถ๊ทน์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ๋ชจ์‹œ์žฅ์˜ ํ•ต์‹ฌ ๊ฐ€์น˜, ์ฆ‰ ์œ„ํ—˜ ๋Œ€๋น„ ์ดˆ๊ณผ ์ˆ˜์ต์œผ๋กœ ๊ท€๊ฒฐ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ดˆ๊ณผ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ์ž์‚ฐ์„ ๋Œ€๊ทœ๋ชจ๋กœ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์กฐ๋‹ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์—ญ๋Ÿ‰์ด ์ ์  ๋” ์ค‘์š”ํ•ด์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž์‚ฐ ์กฐ๋‹ฌ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์—ญ์‚ฌ์  ํˆฌ์ž๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์‚ฌ๋“ค์ด ๋”ฐ๋ผ์žก์œผ๋ ค ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ ์šฐ์œ„๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ”Œ๋ž˜๊ทธ์‹ญ ํŽ€๋“œ ๊ฒฐ์„ฑ ์—ฐ๋„๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ 26๋…„ ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์˜ ์ „๋ง์€ 20% ์ด์ƒ์˜ ์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๋ฃŒ ๊ด€๋ จ ์ˆ˜์ต(FRE) ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ์ง€์†ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์€ํ‡ด์„œ๋น„์Šค ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์—์„œ๋Š” ์€ํ‡ด ์†Œ๋“์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ˆ˜์š”๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ ์–ด๋А ๋•Œ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋†’์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ ์€ํ‡ด ์œ„๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€์‹œํ™”๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
We, as a world and we as societies are starting to deal with the consequences of this. You saw more than $80 billion of inflows in '25. You should expect approximately $85 billion of inflows in '26 and more than $5 billion of this will be from markets that we were not in 18 months ago and that I believe will turn out to be a very large share of our business. Our November teach-in set a very clear path. The SRE growth remains durable. We expect 10% SRE growth in '26, and we reaffirm the 10% growth on average through '29, assuming we do what we're supposed to do in the alternatives. We step back and we think about macro, all of this comes down to a focus on risk and reward.์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„์ ์œผ๋กœ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‚ฌํšŒ ์ „์ฒด์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€์‘ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 2025๋…„์— 800์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ด์ƒ์˜ ์ž๊ธˆ ์œ ์ž…์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 2026๋…„์—๋Š” ์•ฝ 850์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ์ž๊ธˆ ์œ ์ž…์„ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜์…”์•ผ ํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ์ด ์ค‘ 50์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ด์ƒ์€ 18๊ฐœ์›” ์ „์—๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ง„์ถœํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋˜ ์‹œ์žฅ์—์„œ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Š” ํ–ฅํ›„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‚ฌ์—…์˜ ๋งค์šฐ ํฐ ๋น„์ค‘์„ ์ฐจ์ง€ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฏฟ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 11์›” ํ‹ฐ์น˜์ธ(teach-in)์—์„œ ๋งค์šฐ ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•œ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์„ ์ œ์‹œํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. SRE(์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๋ฃŒ ๊ด€๋ จ ์ˆ˜์ต, fee-related earnings) ์„ฑ์žฅ์€ ์ง€์† ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 2026๋…„ SRE ์„ฑ์žฅ๋ฅ  10%๋ฅผ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ๋Œ€์ฒดํˆฌ์ž ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ผ์„ ์ œ๋Œ€๋กœ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฐ€์ • ํ•˜์— 2029๋…„๊นŒ์ง€ ํ‰๊ท  10% ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ์žฌํ™•์ธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•œ ๊ฑธ์Œ ๋ฌผ๋Ÿฌ์„œ์„œ ๊ฑฐ์‹œ๊ฒฝ์ œ๋ฅผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์œ„ํ—˜๊ณผ ๋ณด์ƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ง‘์ค‘์œผ๋กœ ๊ท€๊ฒฐ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Each of us has our own way of expressing what it is we're doing. The way I like to express it is to talk about markets that essentially exist on a playing field. For most of my career, 95% of the outcomes have been on that field and very little has been outside that. In fact, it was such a small percentage chance that we never really thought about it that much and didn't really hedge. And sometimes we liked what was in front of us in terms of valuation, in terms of liquidity, in terms of economic outlook and sometimes not, but we knew how to navigate those cycles.์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ์ž๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์„ ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณ ์œ ํ•œ ๋ฐฉ์‹์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์„ ํ˜ธํ•˜๋Š” ํ‘œํ˜„ ๋ฐฉ์‹์€ ๋ณธ์งˆ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฒฝ๊ธฐ์žฅ ์œ„์— ์กด์žฌํ•˜๋Š” ์‹œ์žฅ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ์ปค๋ฆฌ์–ด์˜ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ๋™์•ˆ, 95%์˜ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ ๊ฒฝ๊ธฐ์žฅ ์•ˆ์—์„œ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ–ˆ๊ณ  ๊ฒฝ๊ธฐ์žฅ ๋ฐ–์—์„œ ์ผ์–ด๋‚œ ์ผ์€ ๊ทนํžˆ ์ ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ์‹ค ๊ฒฝ๊ธฐ์žฅ ๋ฐ–์—์„œ ์ผ์–ด๋‚  ํ™•๋ฅ ์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋‚ฎ์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋งŽ์ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๊ณ  ํ—ค์ง€๋„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ๋ฐธ๋ฅ˜์—์ด์…˜ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ, ์œ ๋™์„ฑ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ, ๊ฒฝ์ œ ์ „๋ง ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•ž์— ๋†“์ธ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“ค์—ˆ๊ณ  ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์‚ฌ์ดํด๋“ค์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ—ค์ณ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
What we're watching now is just an increased percentage or increased probability of outcomes outside of established lanes or an established playing field. And one needs to take those factors into account as you invest, as you think, as you think about risk and reward. And what's becoming clear in our industry is the notion of having a principal's mindset versus an agent's mindset. A principal's mindset approaches every asset and every asset class as if they're going to own it for the long term because they do. An agent's mindset responds to the hot dot in the marketplace and ask more fundamentally is, can the asset be sold? Is the asset popular?ํ˜„์žฌ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ธฐ์กด์˜ ์ •ํ•ด์ง„ ๋ ˆ์ธ์ด๋‚˜ ํ™•๋ฆฝ๋œ ๊ฒฝ๊ธฐ์žฅ ๋ฐ–์—์„œ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋“ค์˜ ๋น„์œจ ์ฆ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ํ™•๋ฅ  ์ฆ๊ฐ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํˆฌ์ž๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋ฆฌ์Šคํฌ์™€ ๋ณด์ƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ๋•Œ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์š”์ธ๋“ค์„ ๋ฐ˜๋“œ์‹œ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์—…๊ณ„์—์„œ ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•ด์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋Œ€๋ฆฌ์ธ ๋งˆ์ธ๋“œ์…‹(agent's mindset) ๋Œ€๋น„ ๋ณธ์ธ ๋งˆ์ธ๋“œ์…‹(principal's mindset)์„ ๊ฐ–๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฐœ๋…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ณธ์ธ ๋งˆ์ธ๋“œ์…‹์€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์žฅ๊ธฐ ๋ณด์œ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋ชจ๋“  ์ž์‚ฐ๊ณผ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ž์‚ฐ๊ตฐ์„ ๋งˆ์น˜ ์žฅ๊ธฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์†Œ์œ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์ ‘๊ทผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ˜๋ฉด ๋Œ€๋ฆฌ์ธ ๋งˆ์ธ๋“œ์…‹์€ ์‹œ์žฅ์˜ ํ•ซํ•œ ์ด์Šˆ์— ๋ฐ˜์‘ํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ๋ณด๋‹ค ๊ทผ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” '์ด ์ž์‚ฐ์„ ๋งค๊ฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”๊ฐ€? ์ด ์ž์‚ฐ์ด ์ธ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š”๊ฐ€?'๋ฅผ ๋ฌป์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
I believe a principal mindset will serve us very well. Jim will give you some notion of software, and I will steal only a little bit of his thunder. But in our PE business, our software exposure rounds to 0. In our Athene balance sheet, our software exposure rounds closer to 0 than to 1. In ADS, half the exposure of our large peers. Software is an amazing business. The market's overreaction to software is extreme. But clearly, factors have changed, and we have good software companies and bad software companies and good valuations and bad valuations.์ €๋Š” ์›์น™์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ๊ณ ๋ฐฉ์‹์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๋งค์šฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Jim์ด ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์„ค๋ช…๋“œ๋ฆด ์˜ˆ์ •์ธ๋ฐ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์กฐ๊ธˆ๋งŒ ๋จผ์ € ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ PE ์‚ฌ์—…์—์„œ ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด ์ต์Šคํฌ์ €๋Š” 0์— ๊ฐ€๊น์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Athene ๋Œ€์ฐจ๋Œ€์กฐํ‘œ์—์„œ ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด ์ต์Šคํฌ์ €๋Š” 1๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” 0์— ๋” ๊ฐ€๊น์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ADS์—์„œ๋Š” ๋Œ€ํ˜• ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์‚ฌ๋“ค์˜ ์ ˆ๋ฐ˜ ์ˆ˜์ค€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด๋Š” ๋†€๋ผ์šด ์‚ฌ์—…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์‹œ์žฅ์˜ ๊ณผ์ž‰๋ฐ˜์‘์€ ๊ทน๋‹จ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ์š”์ธ๋“ค์ด ๋ณ€ํ™”ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ข‹์€ ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด ๊ธฐ์—…๊ณผ ๋‚˜์œ ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด ๊ธฐ์—…, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐธ๋ฅ˜์—์ด์…˜๊ณผ ๋‚˜์œ ๋ฐธ๋ฅ˜์—์ด์…˜์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
If you were aggressive at a point in time when valuations were very high and not a lot of diligence was being done and people were expecting growth forever, you're playing defense now. I assure you, we are on offense and software will be a very attractive sector, albeit not at the valuation levels and with the kind of underwriting that has been done previously. To give you a sense of how this principal mindset plays out, take our largest private markets direct lending vehicle, ADS, now more than $25 billion. For the quarter and for the year, approximately 8% return, lowest leverage, top of the capital structure, large company, no PIK, I assure you ADS is on offense.ํŠน์ • ์‹œ์ ์— ๋ฐธ๋ฅ˜์—์ด์…˜์ด ๋งค์šฐ ๋†’๊ณ  ์‹ค์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์ œ๋Œ€๋กœ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง€์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์œผ๋ฉฐ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์˜์›ํ•œ ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜๋˜ ๋•Œ์— ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์ ์ด์—ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์ˆ˜๋น„๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์žฅ๋‹ดํ•˜๊ฑด๋Œ€, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ณต๊ฒฉ ์ค‘์ด๋ฉฐ ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ์„นํ„ฐ๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค๋งŒ ์ด์ „์— ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์กŒ๋˜ ๋ฐธ๋ฅ˜์—์ด์…˜ ์ˆ˜์ค€๊ณผ ์ธ์ˆ˜์‹ฌ์‚ฌ ๋ฐฉ์‹๊ณผ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์›์น™์  ์‚ฌ๊ณ ๋ฐฉ์‹์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์‹คํ˜„๋˜๋Š”์ง€ ๋ณด์—ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด, ํ˜„์žฌ 250์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ด์ƒ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์ธ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ตœ๋Œ€ ์‚ฌ๋ชจ ์ง์ ‘๋Œ€์ถœ ํŽ€๋“œ ADS๋ฅผ ์˜ˆ๋กœ ๋“ค๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ถ„๊ธฐ์™€ ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ์•ฝ 8%์˜ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์„ ๊ธฐ๋กํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ตœ์ € ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€, ์ž๋ณธ๊ตฌ์กฐ ์ตœ์ƒ์œ„, ๋Œ€ํ˜• ๊ธฐ์—…, PIK ์—†์Œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์žฅ๋‹ดํ•˜๊ฑด๋Œ€ ADS๋Š” ๊ณต๊ฒฉ ์ค‘์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
In hybrid, our largest vehicle there is AAA, which now exceeds some $25 billion. AAA, 12% inception-to-date return, very low volatility, 43 of 44 positive quarters, including 23 consecutive positive quarters. This is the perfect strategy for institutions who are thinking about total portfolio approach in that on a risk-reward basis, it has outperformed almost everything else in their book. In our equity business, the 39% gross and 24% net return for our PE flagship funds over the last 3.5 decades just can't be matched. At Athene, while others have reached for spread, we have been positioned defensively. We've built $24 billion position of cash, treasuries and agencies.ํ•˜์ด๋ธŒ๋ฆฌ๋“œ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์—์„œ ์ €ํฌ์˜ ์ตœ๋Œ€ ๊ทœ๋ชจ ํŽ€๋“œ๋Š” AAA๋กœ, ํ˜„์žฌ 250์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ์ดˆ๊ณผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. AAA๋Š” ์„ค์ • ์ดํ›„ 12%์˜ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์„ ๊ธฐ๋กํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ๋ณ€๋™์„ฑ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ๋‚ฎ๊ณ , 44๊ฐœ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์ค‘ 43๊ฐœ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ์—์„œ ํ”Œ๋Ÿฌ์Šค ์ˆ˜์ต์„ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, 23๊ฐœ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์—ฐ์† ํ”Œ๋Ÿฌ์Šค ์ˆ˜์ต์„ ๊ธฐ๋กํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ์ „์ฒด ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค ์ ‘๊ทผ๋ฒ•์„ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•˜๋Š” ๊ธฐ๊ด€ํˆฌ์ž์ž๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์™„๋ฒฝํ•œ ์ „๋žต์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์œ„ํ—˜-์ˆ˜์ต ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค ๋‚ด ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํˆฌ์ž์ƒํ’ˆ์„ ๋Šฅ๊ฐ€ํ•˜๋Š” ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ๋ชจํŽ€๋“œ ์‚ฌ์—…์—์„œ๋Š” ์ง€๋‚œ 35๋…„๊ฐ„ ์ €ํฌ PE ํ”Œ๋ž˜๊ทธ์‹ญ ํŽ€๋“œ๋“ค์ด ์ด์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ  39%, ์ˆœ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ  24%๋ฅผ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ด๋Š” ํƒ€์˜ ์ถ”์ข…์„ ๋ถˆํ—ˆํ•˜๋Š” ์„ฑ๊ณผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Athene์—์„œ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋“ค์ด ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋ฅผ ์ถ”๊ตฌํ•˜๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ, ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์–ด์ ์œผ๋กœ ํฌ์ง€์…”๋‹ํ•ด ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„๊ธˆ, ๊ตญ์ฑ„, ์ •๋ถ€๊ธฐ๊ด€์ฑ„๋กœ 240์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์˜ ํฌ์ง€์…˜์„ ๊ตฌ์ถ•ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
While this is a short-term drag, we are always willing to sacrifice short-term profitability for doing the right thing and gives us significant firepower to redeploy. Athene maintains plenty of flexibility and some of the levers that we've seen even industry leaders undertake, whether it's the move to Cayman or asset risk taking, we have simply not had to do nor will we do. When you come to work each day with a principal's mindset, you just approach your business very differently. Athene is a very tough competitor with numerous advantages. Let me just wrap up by saying, last week, we had a chance to spend time in Tokyo with our 200 partners, an unbelievable cultural moment.์ด๋Š” ๋‹จ๊ธฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ๋ถ€๋‹ด์ด ๋˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋‹จ๊ธฐ ์ˆ˜์ต์„ฑ์„ ๊ธฐ๊บผ์ด ํฌ์ƒํ•  ์˜ํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์žฌ๋ฐฐ์น˜ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ํ™”๋ ฅ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Athene์€ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•œ ์œ ์—ฐ์„ฑ์„ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์—…๊ณ„ ์„ ๋‘๊ธฐ์—…๋“ค์ด ์ทจํ•œ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ˆ˜๋‹จ๋“ค, ์ผ€์ด๋งจ์œผ๋กœ์˜ ์ด์ „์ด๋‚˜ ์ž์‚ฐ ๋ฆฌ์Šคํฌ ๊ฐ์ˆ˜ ๋“ฑ์„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹จ์ˆœํžˆ ์ทจํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†์—ˆ๊ณ  ์•ž์œผ๋กœ๋„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งค์ผ ์ถœ๊ทผํ•  ๋•Œ ์ฃผ์ธ์˜์‹์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์ผํ•˜๋ฉด, ์‚ฌ์—…์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ ‘๊ทผ ๋ฐฉ์‹์ด ๋งค์šฐ ๋‹ฌ๋ผ์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Athene์€ ์ˆ˜๋งŽ์€ ์žฅ์ ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์ž์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์œผ๋กœ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ์ง€๋‚œ์ฃผ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋„์ฟ„์—์„œ 200๋ช…์˜ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ผ ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ •๋ง ๋†€๋ผ์šด ๋ฌธํ™”์  ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
The theme of playing to win, tremendous excitement, not just about what's happening, but what is in the kitchen that we're working on, which we expect to roll out over the next 6 months. Real focus on what makes Apollo, Apollo and responding to the cultural moment and not simply growing our business for the sake of growing our business, but growing our business at scale with quality and with intentionality. Jim, over to you. James Zelter
President & Director

Thanks, Marc. Over the past several years, we've talked about Apollo's individual capabilities, our credit platform, our equity franchise and balance sheet, each strong on its own.
"์ด๊ธฐ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ํ”Œ๋ ˆ์ด"๋ผ๋Š” ์ฃผ์ œ, ํ˜„์žฌ ์ง„ํ–‰ ์ค‘์ธ ์ผ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ํ–ฅํ›„ 6๊ฐœ์›”์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ์ถœ์‹œํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ธ ์ค€๋น„ ์ค‘์ธ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€๊ฐ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Apollo๋ฅผ Apollo๋‹ต๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ฌธํ™”์  ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์— ๋Œ€์‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ, ๋‹จ์ˆœํžˆ ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์„ฑ์žฅ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ํ’ˆ์งˆ๊ณผ ์˜๋„์„ฑ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ๊ทœ๋ชจ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ์„ฑ์žฅ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ์ฃผ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Jim, ์ด์–ด์„œ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ์ฃ .

James Zelter
์‚ฌ์žฅ ๊ฒธ ์ด์‚ฌ

๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, Marc. ์ง€๋‚œ ๋ช‡ ๋…„๊ฐ„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” Apollo์˜ ๊ฐœ๋ณ„ ์—ญ๋Ÿ‰๋“ค, ์ฆ‰ ํฌ๋ ˆ๋”ง ํ”Œ๋žซํผ, ์ฃผ์‹ ํ”„๋žœ์ฐจ์ด์ฆˆ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋Œ€์ฐจ๋Œ€์กฐํ‘œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด ์™”์œผ๋ฉฐ, ๊ฐ๊ฐ์ด ๋…์ž์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
But I want to take focus for a moment today on how those pieces work together in an integrated system, the connection between origination and capital formation and why that matters more than ever today. At scale, investing does not get simpler. It gets more complex. What differentiates Apollo is that we built a system designed to absorb that complexity and convert it into consistent, high-quality outcomes for our clients. That is our long-term moat. Origination today is no longer a stand-alone function. It's bespoke investing. The flywheel that powers our business is now origination, product and investing teams working in sync across the firm.ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์˜ค๋Š˜์€ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์š”์†Œ๋“ค์ด ํ†ตํ•ฉ ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ ๋‚ด์—์„œ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€, ์ž์‚ฐ ๋ฐœ๊ตด(origination)๊ณผ ์ž๋ณธ ํ˜•์„ฑ ๊ฐ„์˜ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๊ณ ๋ฆฌ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚  ๊ทธ ์–ด๋А ๋•Œ๋ณด๋‹ค ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ด์œ ์— ์ดˆ์ ์„ ๋งž์ถ”๊ณ ์ž ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทœ๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ์ปค์งˆ์ˆ˜๋ก ํˆฌ์ž๋Š” ๋” ๋‹จ์ˆœํ•ด์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ๋” ๋ณต์žกํ•ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„ํด๋กœ๋ฅผ ์ฐจ๋ณ„ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋ณต์žก์„ฑ์„ ํก์ˆ˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ด๋ฅผ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ผ๊ด€๋˜๊ณ  ๊ณ ํ’ˆ์งˆ์˜ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋กœ ์ „ํ™˜ํ•˜๋„๋ก ์„ค๊ณ„๋œ ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์„ ๊ตฌ์ถ•ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์žฅ๊ธฐ์ ์ธ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ ์šฐ์œ„(moat)์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚  ์ž์‚ฐ ๋ฐœ๊ตด์€ ๋” ์ด์ƒ ๋…๋ฆฝ์ ์ธ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ๋งž์ถคํ˜• ํˆฌ์ž์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ๋™ํ•˜๋Š” ์„ ์ˆœํ™˜ ๊ตฌ์กฐ(flywheel)๋Š” ์ด์ œ ์ž์‚ฐ ๋ฐœ๊ตด, ์ƒํ’ˆ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ, ํˆฌ์ž ํŒ€์ด ํšŒ์‚ฌ ์ „๋ฐ˜์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ๋™๊ธฐํ™”๋˜์–ด ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And capital formation is not something that happens at the end of the process. In many ways, it shapes what we originate upstream. Understanding this connection between origination and capital formation allows us to deliver the right cost of capital to the right opportunity quickly and at scale while maintaining discipline and alignment. At the end of the day, our job is to make money for our clients. And that's precisely what we did in 2025 with our scaled connected platform generating over $60 billion of value to our investors.์ž๋ณธ ํ˜•์„ฑ์€ ํ”„๋กœ์„ธ์Šค์˜ ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ๋‹จ๊ณ„์—์„œ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋ฉด์—์„œ ์ด๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๋ฅ˜์—์„œ ๋ฐœ๊ตดํ•˜๋Š” ํˆฌ์ž ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ํ˜•์„ฑํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํˆฌ์ž ๊ธฐํšŒ ๋ฐœ๊ตด๊ณผ ์ž๋ณธ ํ˜•์„ฑ ๊ฐ„์˜ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๊ณ ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ดํ•ดํ•จ์œผ๋กœ์จ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ ์ ˆํ•œ ํˆฌ์ž ๊ธฐํšŒ์— ์ ์ ˆํ•œ ์ž๋ณธ๋น„์šฉ์„ ์‹ ์†ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋Œ€๊ทœ๋ชจ๋กœ ์ œ๊ณตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ๋™์‹œ์— ๊ทœ์œจ๊ณผ ์ •๋ ฌ์„ฑ์„ ์œ ์ง€ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ž„๋ฌด๋Š” ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋“ค์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ˆ˜์ต์„ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ 2025๋…„์— ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ทœ๋ชจํ™”๋œ ํ†ตํ•ฉ ํ”Œ๋žซํผ์€ ํˆฌ์ž์ž๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ 600์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ด์ƒ์˜ ๊ฐ€์น˜๋ฅผ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
We've been running our business with the same patient purchase price matters discipline that has driven our investing success through various cycles over the last 35-plus years. That discipline is particularly evident in areas like software, where we estimate it represented approximately 40% of all sponsor-backed private credit and 30% of all PE deployment for more than a decade. As Marc mentioned, our positioning is amongst the lowest in the industry, and it's really a situation of selectivity versus exposure. Today, it represents less than 2% of our total AUM. In private equity, 0 exposure to growth software.์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ง€๋‚œ 35๋…„ ์ด์ƒ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๊ฒฝ๊ธฐ ์‚ฌ์ดํด์„ ๊ฑฐ์น˜๋ฉฐ ํˆฌ์ž ์„ฑ๊ณต์„ ์ด๋Œ์–ด์˜จ ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋™์ผํ•œ ์ธ๋‚ด์‹ฌ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋งค์ˆ˜๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ ์ค‘์‹œ ์›์น™์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ์šด์˜ํ•ด ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์›์น™์€ ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ถ„์•ผ์—์„œ ํŠนํžˆ ๋‘๋“œ๋Ÿฌ์ง€๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ €ํฌ ์ถ”์ •์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด๊ฐ€ 10๋…„ ์ด์ƒ ์ „์ฒด ์Šคํฐ์„œ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜ ํ”„๋ผ์ด๋น— ํฌ๋ ˆ๋”ง์˜ ์•ฝ 40%, ์ „์ฒด PE ํˆฌ์ž์˜ 30%๋ฅผ ์ฐจ์ง€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Marc์ด ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด, ์ €ํฌ์˜ ํฌ์ง€์…”๋‹์€ ์—…๊ณ„ ์ตœ์ € ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Š” ์ต์Šคํฌ์ €๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ์„ ๋ณ„์„ฑ์˜ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด๋Š” ์ €ํฌ ์ „์ฒด ์šด์šฉ์ž์‚ฐ(AUM)์˜ 2% ๋ฏธ๋งŒ์„ ์ฐจ์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ”„๋ผ์ด๋น— ์—ํ€ดํ‹ฐ์—์„œ๋Š” ์„ฑ์žฅํ˜• ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ต์Šคํฌ์ €๊ฐ€ ์ „ํ˜€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
On Athene's balance sheet, we have de minimis exposure of 0.5%, which is virtually all IG rated with hyperscalers such as Microsoft and Oracle. And I'd further add that software investments within our credit business, excluding Athene, represent less than 4% of AUM. And within ADS' relative proportion is amongst the lowest, as Marc mentioned, amongst our peers. We have managed ADS, our flagship credit vehicle in a prudent manner with lower than market leverage, low PIK and all first lien exposure. In summary, we see parallels between software and prior cycles, where an influx of capital fuels overallocation, dispersion follows and patience is rewarded.์•„ํ…Œ๋„ค์˜ ๋Œ€์ฐจ๋Œ€์กฐํ‘œ์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” 0.5%์˜ ์ตœ์†Œํ•œ์˜ ์ต์Šคํฌ์ €๋ฅผ ๋ณด์œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ƒ ์ „๋ถ€ ๋งˆ์ดํฌ๋กœ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์™€ ์˜ค๋ผํด ๊ฐ™์€ ํ•˜์ดํผ์Šค์ผ€์ผ๋Ÿฌ๋“ค๋กœ ๊ตฌ์„ฑ๋œ ํˆฌ์ž๋“ฑ๊ธ‰ ๋“ฑ๊ธ‰์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ ์•„ํ…Œ๋„ค๋ฅผ ์ œ์™ธํ•œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‹ ์šฉ ์‚ฌ์—… ๋‚ด ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด ํˆฌ์ž๋Š” ์šด์šฉ์ž์‚ฐ(AUM)์˜ 4% ๋ฏธ๋งŒ์„ ์ฐจ์ง€ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์„ ๋ง๋ถ™์ด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ADS ๋‚ด์—์„œ ์ƒ๋Œ€์  ๋น„์ค‘์€ ๋งˆํฌ๊ฐ€ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์‚ฌ๋“ค ์ค‘์—์„œ๋„ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋‚ฎ์€ ์ˆ˜์ค€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์‹œ์žฅ ๋Œ€๋น„ ๋‚ฎ์€ ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€, ๋‚ฎ์€ PIK(ํ˜„๋ฌผ์ด์ž์ง€๊ธ‰), ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ „๋ถ€ 1์ˆœ์œ„ ๋‹ด๋ณด๋Œ€์ถœ ์ต์Šคํฌ์ €๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ํ”Œ๋ž˜๊ทธ์‹ญ ์‹ ์šฉ ํˆฌ์ž์ˆ˜๋‹จ์ธ ADS๋ฅผ ์‹ ์ค‘ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์šด์šฉํ•ด์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์š”์•ฝํ•˜์ž๋ฉด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด์™€ ์ด์ „ ์‚ฌ์ดํด๋“ค ๊ฐ„์˜ ์œ ์‚ฌ์ ์„ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ž๋ณธ์˜ ์œ ์ž…์ด ๊ณผ๋„ํ•œ ๋ฐฐ๋ถ„์„ ์ด‰์ง„ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋ถ„์‚ฐ์ด ๋’ค๋”ฐ๋ฅด๋ฉฐ, ์ธ๋‚ด์‹ฌ์ด ๋ณด์ƒ๋ฐ›๋Š” ํŒจํ„ด์„ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
We believe we're well positioned for this moment. Turning to origination. In 2025, the strength and breadth of our capabilities were on full display. As Marc noted, we originated over $305 billion of assets, up nearly 40% for the prior year. And incredibly, that was really the first year of our 5-year plan that we presented in Investor Day just 18 months ago. Across that activity, $282 billion was debt comprised of approximately 80% IG, with an average rating of single A and 20% sub-investment-grade rating with a rating of single B.์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์‹œ์ ์— ์œ ๋ฆฌํ•œ ์œ„์น˜๋ฅผ ์ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋ฆฌ์ง€๋„ค์ด์…˜์œผ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 2025๋…„์—๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์—ญ๋Ÿ‰์˜ ๊ฐ•์ ๊ณผ ํญ๋„“์Œ์ด ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋“œ๋Ÿฌ๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Marc์ด ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด, ์ €ํฌ๋Š” 3,050์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ด์ƒ์˜ ์ž์‚ฐ์„ ์˜ค๋ฆฌ์ง€๋„ค์ด์…˜ํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Š” ์ „๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ ๊ฑฐ์˜ 40% ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•œ ์ˆ˜์น˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋†€๋ž๊ฒŒ๋„ ์ด๋Š” ๋ถˆ๊ณผ 18๊ฐœ์›” ์ „ ํˆฌ์ž์ž์˜ ๋‚ (Investor Day)์—์„œ ๋ฐœํ‘œํ•œ 5๊ฐœ๋…„ ๊ณ„ํš์˜ ์‹ค์งˆ์ ์ธ ์ฒซ ํ•ด์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ํ™œ๋™ ์ค‘ 2,820์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋Š” ์ฑ„๊ถŒ์ด์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์•ฝ 80%๊ฐ€ ํˆฌ์ž๋“ฑ๊ธ‰(IG)์œผ๋กœ ํ‰๊ท  ๋“ฑ๊ธ‰์€ ์‹ฑ๊ธ€ A์˜€๊ณ , 20%๋Š” ํˆฌ์ž๋“ฑ๊ธ‰ ๋ฏธ๋งŒ(sub-investment-grade)์œผ๋กœ ์‹ฑ๊ธ€ B ๋“ฑ๊ธ‰์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Within core credit, volumes were led by large-cap direct lending, commercial mortgage lending, residential mortgage lending and fund finance, a large growth area. Across our platforms, where volumes increased over 30%, the activity was led by our 3: Atlas, MidCap and Redding Ridge. The scaling that we've seen has been facilitated by a broadening of our offering, expanding our capabilities and redefining our opportunity set. Our success within the sponsor ecosystem is a clear example. We identified sponsors as an opportunity several years ago. And in 2022, it generated $20 billion in volume across mid-cap and large-cap direct lending.ํ•ต์‹ฌ ์‹ ์šฉ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์—์„œ๋Š” ๋Œ€ํ˜• ์ง์ ‘๋Œ€์ถœ, ์ƒ์—…์šฉ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ๋Œ€์ถœ, ์ฃผํƒ๋‹ด๋ณด๋Œ€์ถœ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํฐ ์„ฑ์žฅ ์˜์—ญ์ธ ํŽ€๋“œ ํŒŒ์ด๋‚ธ์Šค๊ฐ€ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋Ÿ‰์„ ์ฃผ๋„ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋Ÿ‰์ด 30% ์ด์ƒ ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•œ ํ”Œ๋žซํผ๋“ค ์ „๋ฐ˜์— ๊ฑธ์ณ, Atlas, MidCap, Redding Ridge ์ด 3๊ฐœ ํ”Œ๋žซํผ์ด ํ™œ๋™์„ ์ฃผ๋„ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ชฉ๊ฒฉํ•œ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ทœ๋ชจ ํ™•๋Œ€๋Š” ์ƒํ’ˆ ์ œ๊ณต์˜ ๋‹ค๊ฐํ™”, ์—ญ๋Ÿ‰ ํ™•์žฅ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ธฐํšŒ ์˜์—ญ์˜ ์žฌ์ •์˜๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ด‰์ง„๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Šคํฐ์„œ ์ƒํƒœ๊ณ„ ๋‚ด์—์„œ์˜ ์„ฑ๊ณต์ด ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋ก€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ˆ˜๋…„ ์ „ ์Šคํฐ์„œ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋กœ ์‹๋ณ„ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  2022๋…„์—๋Š” ์ค‘ํ˜• ๋ฐ ๋Œ€ํ˜• ์ง์ ‘๋Œ€์ถœ ์ „๋ฐ˜์— ๊ฑธ์ณ 200์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋Ÿ‰์„ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Through the broadening and deepening of our sponsor toolbox, which now allows us to offer comprehensive full-service solutions, origination volumes in this area totaled nearly $80 billion in 2025, quadrupling in 4 years. Numerous noted transactions could be put forth, but I'll mention 3 quickly. In December, we led a $3.5 billion capital solution to support Valor's $5.4 billion acquisition and lease of data center infrastructure to a subsidiary of xAI. This franchise transaction for the firm in the AI space underscores our role as a leading provider of flexible asset-based capital for the next-generation assets.์Šคํฐ์„œ ํˆด๋ฐ•์Šค์˜ ํ™•๋Œ€์™€ ์‹ฌํ™”๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ด์ œ ํฌ๊ด„์ ์ธ ํ’€์„œ๋น„์Šค ์†”๋ฃจ์…˜์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด ๋ถ„์•ผ์˜ ์˜ค๋ฆฌ์ง€๋„ค์ด์…˜ ๊ทœ๋ชจ๋Š” 2025๋…„ ์•ฝ 800์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์— ๋‹ฌํ•ด 4๋…„ ๋งŒ์— 4๋ฐฐ ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ•  ๋งŒํ•œ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋“ค์ด ๋งŽ์ง€๋งŒ, ์„ธ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํžˆ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 12์›”์—๋Š” Valor์˜ 54์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ทœ๋ชจ ๋ฐ์ดํ„ฐ์„ผํ„ฐ ์ธํ”„๋ผ ์ธ์ˆ˜ ๋ฐ xAI ์žํšŒ์‚ฌ๋กœ์˜ ๋ฆฌ์Šค๋ฅผ ์ง€์›ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ 35์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์˜ ์ž๋ณธ ์†”๋ฃจ์…˜์„ ์ฃผ๊ด€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. AI ๋ถ„์•ผ์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํšŒ์‚ฌ์˜ ํ”„๋žœ์ฐจ์ด์ฆˆ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜์ธ ์ด ๊ฑด์€ ์ฐจ์„ธ๋Œ€ ์ž์‚ฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์œ ์—ฐํ•œ ์ž์‚ฐ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜ ์ž๋ณธ์˜ ์„ ๋„์  ๊ณต๊ธ‰์ž๋กœ์„œ์˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์—ญํ• ์„ ์ž˜ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
In January, we led a $3 billion convertible preferred financing for QXO, a building products distributor led by Brad Jacobs, a proven allocator with a phenomenal track record, and we were tapped to bring together a blue-chip investor group to provide flexible capital to support the company's long-term strategy of growth. And lastly, our hybrid and credit franchise delivered a $1.2 billion in strategic financing for Russell Investments, providing long-term capital and enhanced balance sheet flexibility to support their continued expansion.1์›”์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” Brad Jacobs๊ฐ€ ์ด๋„๋Š” ๊ฑด์ถ•์ž์žฌ ์œ ํ†ต์—…์ฒด QXO์˜ 30์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ทœ๋ชจ ์ „ํ™˜์šฐ์„ ์ฃผ ํŒŒ์ด๋‚ธ์‹ฑ์„ ์ฃผ๊ด€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Brad Jacobs๋Š” ํƒ์›”ํ•œ ์‹ค์ ์„ ๋ณด์œ ํ•œ ๊ฒ€์ฆ๋œ ์ž๋ณธ๋ฐฐ๋ถ„๊ฐ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํšŒ์‚ฌ์˜ ์žฅ๊ธฐ ์„ฑ์žฅ ์ „๋žต์„ ๋’ท๋ฐ›์นจํ•  ์œ ์—ฐํ•œ ์ž๋ณธ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์šฐ๋Ÿ‰ ํˆฌ์ž์ž ๊ทธ๋ฃน์„ ๊ตฌ์„ฑํ•˜๋Š” ์—ญํ• ์„ ๋งก์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์œผ๋กœ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ํ•˜์ด๋ธŒ๋ฆฌ๋“œ ๋ฐ ํฌ๋ ˆ๋”ง ์‚ฌ์—…๋ถ€๋Š” Russell Investments์— 12์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์˜ ์ „๋žต์  ํŒŒ์ด๋‚ธ์‹ฑ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜์—ฌ ์ง€์†์ ์ธ ํ™•์žฅ์„ ์ง€์›ํ•  ์žฅ๊ธฐ ์ž๋ณธ๊ณผ ๊ฐ•ํ™”๋œ ์žฌ๋ฌด๊ตฌ์กฐ ์œ ์—ฐ์„ฑ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Double-clicking and providing context on the origination spreads for the year, our investment-grade origination, we generated excess spread of 290 basis points over treasuries or approximately 220 basis over rated corporates in the index. On our sub-IGO origination, we generated excess spread of 490 basis points over treasuries or approximately 200 basis points over comparably rated high-yield rated corporates. Again, and importantly, we observed stable spreads quarter-over-quarter over the course of the year, noteworthy in a market environment where public spreads remain near multi-decade tights.์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ์˜ค๋ฆฌ์ง€๋„ค์ด์…˜ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด๊ณ  ๋งฅ๋ฝ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜์ž๋ฉด, ํˆฌ์ž๋“ฑ๊ธ‰ ์˜ค๋ฆฌ์ง€๋„ค์ด์…˜์—์„œ ๊ตญ์ฑ„ ๋Œ€๋น„ 290bp์˜ ์ดˆ๊ณผ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋ฅผ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Š” ์ง€์ˆ˜ ๋‚ด ๋™์ผ ๋“ฑ๊ธ‰ ํšŒ์‚ฌ์ฑ„ ๋Œ€๋น„ ์•ฝ 220bp์— ํ•ด๋‹นํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์„œ๋ธŒ-IG ์˜ค๋ฆฌ์ง€๋„ค์ด์…˜์—์„œ๋Š” ๊ตญ์ฑ„ ๋Œ€๋น„ 490bp์˜ ์ดˆ๊ณผ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋ฅผ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Š” ์œ ์‚ฌ ๋“ฑ๊ธ‰์˜ ํ•˜์ด์ผ๋“œ ํšŒ์‚ฌ์ฑ„ ๋Œ€๋น„ ์•ฝ 200bp์— ํ•ด๋‹นํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ๊ฐ•์กฐํ•˜์ž๋ฉด, ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ ์€ ๊ณต๋ชจ ์‹œ์žฅ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ์ˆ˜์‹ญ ๋…„๋ž˜ ์ตœ์ € ์ˆ˜์ค€ ๊ทผ์ฒ˜์— ๋จธ๋ฌผ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์‹œ์žฅ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์—์„œ๋„ ์—ฐ์ค‘ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ๋ณ„๋กœ ์•ˆ์ •์ ์ธ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋ฅผ ์œ ์ง€ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Generating excess spread at broad scale while maintaining quality is a clear testament to the breadth and depth of our solutions offered by our origination systems. Simply put, 2025 was an outstanding year where we focused on scale, but also maintaining quality. Turning to capital formation. Our fourth quarter results punctuated a record year across the firm. We generated $42 billion of inflows in the quarter and $228 billion for the full year. Asset Management delivered $100 billion of organic inflows and $45 billion of inorganic inflows, while Athene added $83 billion.๊ด‘๋ฒ”์œ„ํ•œ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์—์„œ ํ’ˆ์งˆ์„ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์ดˆ๊ณผ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋ฅผ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋Œ€์ถœ ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์ด ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š” ์†”๋ฃจ์…˜์˜ ํญ๊ณผ ๊นŠ์ด๋ฅผ ๋ช…ํ™•ํžˆ ์ž…์ฆํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ„๋‹จํžˆ ๋งํ•ด, 2025๋…„์€ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ๋„ ํ’ˆ์งˆ์„ ์œ ์ง€ํ•œ ํƒ์›”ํ•œ ํ•œ ํ•ด์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž๋ณธ ์กฐ์„ฑ์œผ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์‹ค์ ์€ ํšŒ์‚ฌ ์ „์ฒด์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ธฐ๋ก์ ์ธ ํ•œ ํ•ด๋ฅผ ๋งˆ๋ฌด๋ฆฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์ค‘ 420์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ์œ ์ž…์„ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์—ฐ๊ฐ„์œผ๋กœ๋Š” 2,280์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์€ 1,000์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ์œ ๊ธฐ์  ์œ ์ž…๊ณผ 450์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ๋น„์œ ๊ธฐ์  ์œ ์ž…์„ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, Athene์€ 830์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Across the firm, we generated record organic inflows during the year totaling $182 billion, approximately 2/3 of which were attributable to third parties, a focused growth over the last several years. Similar to origination, the definition of success within capital formation has expanded with the addition of new capabilities and new sources of demand. The scaling that we have seen in capital formation has been driven by moving from a sole source of demand, as Marc mentioned, the Alts buckets with institutions to 6 pockets of demand with new sources, including fixed income replacement, wealth, third-party insurance, traditional asset managers and 401(k).ํšŒ์‚ฌ ์ „์ฒด์ ์œผ๋กœ ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ๊ธฐ๋ก์ ์ธ ์ˆœ์œ ์ž…์•ก 1,820์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด ์ค‘ ์•ฝ 2/3๋Š” ์ง€๋‚œ ๋ช‡ ๋…„๊ฐ„ ์ง‘์ค‘์ ์œผ๋กœ ์„ฑ์žฅ์‹œ์ผœ์˜จ ์ œ3์ž๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์œ ์ž…๋œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋ฆฌ์ง€๋„ค์ด์…˜๊ณผ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€๋กœ, ์ž๋ณธ์กฐ๋‹ฌ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์—์„œ์˜ ์„ฑ๊ณต ์ •์˜๋„ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์—ญ๋Ÿ‰๊ณผ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ˆ˜์š”์ฒ˜์˜ ์ถ”๊ฐ€๋กœ ํ™•๋Œ€๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž๋ณธ์กฐ๋‹ฌ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ชฉ๊ฒฉํ•œ ๊ทœ๋ชจ ํ™•๋Œ€๋Š” Marc์ด ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ๊ธฐ๊ด€ํˆฌ์ž์ž์˜ ๋Œ€์ฒดํˆฌ์ž ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋‹จ์ผ ์ˆ˜์š”์ฒ˜์—์„œ 6๊ฐœ์˜ ์ˆ˜์š”์ฒ˜๋กœ ํ™•์žฅ๋˜๋ฉด์„œ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ˆ˜์š”์ฒ˜๋กœ๋Š” ์ฑ„๊ถŒ ๋Œ€์ฒด, ์ž์‚ฐ๊ด€๋ฆฌ(์›ฐ์Šค), ์ œ3์ž ๋ณดํ—˜์‚ฌ, ์ „ํ†ต์  ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ์‚ฌ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  401(k) ํ‡ด์ง์—ฐ๊ธˆ ๋“ฑ์ด ํฌํ•จ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Of the $100 billion of organic inflows into asset management during the year, approximately 75% went to credit-oriented strategies and 25% to equity-oriented strategies, supported by strong demand across multiple client types and geographies. Our institutional business had a phenomenal year, posting the strongest year of fundraising on record outside of a flagship year. Within institutional, third-party insurance was a particular highlight with $15 billion of new mandates. And when combined with $16 billion of growth in our third-party sidecars during the year, this brings our third-party insurance platform to more than $135 billion across 30 strategic and SMA mandates.์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์œผ๋กœ ์œ ์ž…๋œ 1,000์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ์œ ๊ธฐ์  ์ž๊ธˆ ์ค‘ ์•ฝ 75%๋Š” ํฌ๋ ˆ๋”ง ์ค‘์‹ฌ ์ „๋žต์—, 25%๋Š” ์ฃผ์‹ ์ค‘์‹ฌ ์ „๋žต์— ์œ ์ž…๋˜์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Š” ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์œ ํ˜•๊ณผ ์ง€์—ญ์— ๊ฑธ์นœ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ์ˆ˜์š”์— ํž˜์ž…์€ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธฐ๊ด€ํˆฌ์ž์ž ์‚ฌ์—…๋ถ€๋Š” ํ”Œ๋ž˜๊ทธ์‹ญ ํŽ€๋“œ ๊ฒฐ์„ฑ ์—ฐ๋„๋ฅผ ์ œ์™ธํ•˜๊ณ  ์—ญ๋Œ€ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์ž๊ธˆ ๋ชจ์ง‘ ์‹ค์ ์„ ๊ธฐ๋กํ•˜๋ฉฐ ๋†€๋ผ์šด ํ•œ ํ•ด๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธฐ๊ด€ํˆฌ์ž์ž ๋ถ€๋ฌธ ๋‚ด์—์„œ ์ œ3์ž ๋ณดํ—˜ ์‚ฌ์—…์ด ํŠนํžˆ ๋‘๋“œ๋Ÿฌ์กŒ์œผ๋ฉฐ, 150์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ์‹ ๊ทœ ์œ„ํƒ์šด์šฉ์„ ํ™•๋ณดํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—ฐ์ค‘ ์ œ3์ž ์‚ฌ์ด๋“œ์นด(sidecars)์—์„œ 160์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ์„ฑ์žฅ๊ณผ ๊ฒฐํ•ฉํ•˜๋ฉด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ œ3์ž ๋ณดํ—˜ ํ”Œ๋žซํผ์€ 30๊ฐœ์˜ ์ „๋žต์  ์œ„ํƒ์šด์šฉ ๋ฐ SMA(Separately Managed Account, ๋ณ„๋„๊ด€๋ฆฌ๊ณ„์ขŒ) ์œ„ํƒ์šด์šฉ์— ๊ฑธ์ณ 1,350์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ด์ƒ์œผ๋กœ ํ™•๋Œ€๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
We continue to see growing engagement from insurances who value our origination capabilities and the complete alignment that come with our balance sheet. This is translating into robust and expanding pipeline around the globe, but with particular focus in Europe and Asia. Our Global Wealth business had an excellent year with fundraising totaling $18 billion, up nearly 50% year-over-year. As Marc mentioned, to illustrate the increased diversification of the activities, 9 strategies raised more than $500 million and 3 raised more than $1 billion.์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ž์‚ฐ ์กฐ์„ฑ ์—ญ๋Ÿ‰๊ณผ ๋Œ€์ฐจ๋Œ€์กฐํ‘œ์—์„œ ๋น„๋กฏ๋˜๋Š” ์™„์ „ํ•œ ์ •๋ ฌ์„ฑ์„ ๋†’์ด ํ‰๊ฐ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ณดํ—˜์‚ฌ๋“ค์˜ ์ฐธ์—ฌ๊ฐ€ ์ง€์†์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ชฉ๊ฒฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํ•˜๊ณ  ํ™•๋Œ€๋˜๋Š” ํŒŒ์ดํ”„๋ผ์ธ์œผ๋กœ ์ด์–ด์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ํŠนํžˆ ์œ ๋Ÿฝ๊ณผ ์•„์‹œ์•„์— ์ง‘์ค‘๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ ์ž์‚ฐ๊ด€๋ฆฌ ์‚ฌ์—…๋ถ€๋Š” ์ „๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ ๊ฑฐ์˜ 50% ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•œ 180์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ์ž๊ธˆ ๋ชจ์ง‘์„ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•˜๋ฉฐ ํƒ์›”ํ•œ ํ•œ ํ•ด๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Marc์ด ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด, ์‚ฌ์—… ํ™œ๋™์˜ ๋‹ค๊ฐํ™” ์ฆ๋Œ€๋ฅผ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋ก€๋กœ, 9๊ฐœ ์ „๋žต์ด 5์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ด์ƒ์„ ๋ชจ์ง‘ํ–ˆ๊ณ  3๊ฐœ ์ „๋žต์€ 10์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ด์ƒ์„ ๋ชจ์ง‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
ABC followed last year's quarter -- record quarter with another $400 million in raise, and we believe sustained investor interest reflects the confidence in our origination advantage in the asset-based finance as investors look to diversify away from corporate credit. Our global wealth offering is resonating and partners are increasingly engaging Apollo as a full-service solution provider rather than just for individual strategies.ABC๋Š” ์ž‘๋…„ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์‹ค์  -- ๊ธฐ๋ก์ ์ธ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์‹ค์ ์— ์ด์–ด ๋˜ ๋‹ค์‹œ 4์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ๋ชจ์ง‘ํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ง€์†์ ์ธ ํˆฌ์ž์ž ๊ด€์‹ฌ์€ ํˆฌ์ž์ž๋“ค์ด ๊ธฐ์—… ์‹ ์šฉ์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋ฅผ ๋‹ค๊ฐํ™”ํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ๊ฐ€์šด๋ฐ ์ž์‚ฐ๋‹ด๋ณด๊ธˆ์œต ๋ถ„์•ผ์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์˜ค๋ฆฌ์ง€๋„ค์ด์…˜ ์šฐ์œ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์‹ ๋ขฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ˜์˜ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ ์ž์‚ฐ๊ด€๋ฆฌ ์ƒํ’ˆ์ด ํ˜ธ์‘์„ ์–ป๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๋“ค์€ ๊ฐœ๋ณ„ ์ „๋žต์ด ์•„๋‹Œ ํ’€์„œ๋น„์Šค ์†”๋ฃจ์…˜ ์ œ๊ณต์ž๋กœ์„œ Apollo์™€ ์ ์  ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ํ˜‘๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
At Athene, full year inflows were a record $83 billion driven by robust retail inflows of $34 billion, record funding agreement issuance of $35 billion and strong reinsurance of $12 billion and a modest contribution from the pension group annuities as well as a variety of new channels. The global retiree wave continues to build and Athene remains uniquely positioned to meet the growing demand for long-term security. We did not get here by accident. Years of hard work have established us as the industry leader with multiple competitive advantages, allowing us to serve retirees at an increasing scale.์•„ํ…Œ๋„ค์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ, ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ์œ ์ž…์•ก์€ 340์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ๊ฒฌ์กฐํ•œ ๋ฆฌํ…Œ์ผ ์œ ์ž…์•ก, 350์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ๊ธฐ๋ก์ ์ธ ํŽ€๋”ฉ ์–ด๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๋จผํŠธ(funding agreement) ๋ฐœํ–‰, 120์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ์žฌ๋ณดํ—˜, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—ฐ๊ธˆ๋‹จ์ฒด์—ฐ๊ธˆ(pension group annuities)์˜ ์†Œํญ ๊ธฐ์—ฌ์™€ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์‹ ๊ทœ ์ฑ„๋„์„ ํ†ตํ•ด 830์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์ƒ ์ตœ๊ณ ์น˜๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ ์€ํ‡ด์ž ๋ฌผ๊ฒฐ์€ ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ํ™•๋Œ€๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์•„ํ…Œ๋„ค๋Š” ์žฅ๊ธฐ ์•ˆ์ •์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•˜๋Š” ์ˆ˜์š”๋ฅผ ์ถฉ์กฑ์‹œํ‚ฌ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋…๋ณด์ ์ธ ์œ„์น˜๋ฅผ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ๊นŒ์ง€ ์˜จ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ์—ฐ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ˆ˜๋…„๊ฐ„์˜ ๋…ธ๋ ฅ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ ์šฐ์œ„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–์ถ˜ ์—…๊ณ„ ์„ ๋‘์ฃผ์ž๋กœ ์ž๋ฆฌ๋งค๊น€ํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ ์  ๋” ํฐ ๊ทœ๋ชจ๋กœ ์€ํ‡ด์ž๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์„œ๋น„์Šค๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Overall, the road ahead for capital formation is full of opportunity, is global, and the momentum we're seeing gives us confidence we'll see meaningful more organic inflows across asset management and Athene in every channel in 2026. With that, I'll turn it over to Martin. Martin Kelly
Partner & CFO

Thanks, Jim, and good morning, everyone. So our fourth quarter results cap a very strong year of performance and demonstrate sustained execution against our long-term strategy.
์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ, ์ž๋ณธ ํ˜•์„ฑ์˜ ์•ž๊ธธ์€ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋“ ์ฐจ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒํ•˜๊ณ , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฉ˜ํ…€์€ 2026๋…„์— ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ๊ณผ Athene์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ฑ„๋„์—์„œ ์˜๋ฏธ ์žˆ๋Š” ์œ ๊ธฐ์  ์œ ์ž…์„ ๋ณผ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ํ™•์‹ ์„ ์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ, Martin์—๊ฒŒ ๋„˜๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

Martin Kelly
ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ ๊ฒธ CFO

Jim, ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ ์ข‹์€ ์•„์นจ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์‹ค์ ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ํ•œ ํ•ด์˜ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋งˆ๋ฌด๋ฆฌํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์žฅ๊ธฐ ์ „๋žต์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ง€์†์ ์ธ ์‹คํ–‰์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Particularly evident this year is the earnings flywheel benefit of origination, driving inflows to create management and performance fees, syndication volume to create capital solutions fees and spread assets to create spread-related earnings. In Asset Management, we generated increases in AUM and fee-gen AUM of 25% year-over-year to $938 billion and $709 billion, respectively. This helps drive record fee-related earnings of $2.5 billion in 2025, up 23% year-over-year. I would note that this level of FRE growth was among the best in sector for 2025.ํŠนํžˆ ์˜ฌํ•ด ๋‘๋“œ๋Ÿฌ์ง„ ์ ์€ ์‹ ๊ทœ ํˆฌ์ž ์กฐ์„ฑ์ด ์šด์šฉ ๋ฐ ์„ฑ๊ณผ ์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ•˜๋Š” ์ž๊ธˆ ์œ ์ž…์„ ๊ฒฌ์ธํ•˜๊ณ , ์‹ ๋””์ผ€์ด์…˜ ๊ทœ๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ์ž๋ณธ ์†”๋ฃจ์…˜ ์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ์ž์‚ฐ์ด ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ๊ด€๋ จ ์ˆ˜์ต์„ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ•˜๋Š” ์ˆ˜์ต ์„ ์ˆœํ™˜ ํšจ๊ณผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์šด์šฉ์ž์‚ฐ(AUM)๊ณผ ์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๋ฃŒ ์ฐฝ์ถœ ์šด์šฉ์ž์‚ฐ์„ ์ „๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ 25% ์ฆ๊ฐ€์‹œ์ผœ ๊ฐ๊ฐ 9,380์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์™€ 7,090์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” 2025๋…„ ์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๋ฃŒ ๊ด€๋ จ ์ˆ˜์ต(FRE)์„ ์ „๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ 23% ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•œ 25์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋ก์ ์ธ ์ˆ˜์ค€์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์–ด์˜ฌ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐ ๊ธฐ์—ฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ FRE ์„ฑ์žฅ๋ฅ ์€ 2025๋…„ ์—…๊ณ„ ๋‚ด์—์„œ ์ตœ๊ณ  ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์„ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
In the year, we delivered 22% growth in management fees with underlying strength driven by increasing contribution from third-party asset management inflows into both credit and equity strategies as well as strong capital deployment and robust growth at Athene. Capital solutions fees of $226 million reached a new high in the fourth quarter and drove the full year result to exceed $800 million. The underlying activity driving capital solutions fees is increasingly diversified with more than 125 transactions in the fourth quarter and approximately 430 transactions during the full year, with full year transaction activity approximately 60% credit driven.์˜ฌํ•ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์šด์šฉ์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๋ฃŒ์—์„œ 22% ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Š” ์‹ ์šฉ ๋ฐ ์ฃผ์‹ ์ „๋žต ๋ชจ๋‘์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ œ3์ž ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ ์œ ์ž… ์ฆ๊ฐ€, ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ์ž๋ณธ ๋ฐฐ์น˜, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Athene์˜ ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํ•œ ์„ฑ์žฅ์— ์˜ํ•ด ๋’ท๋ฐ›์นจ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž๋ณธ์†”๋ฃจ์…˜ ์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๋ฃŒ๋Š” 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— 2์–ต 2,600๋งŒ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋กœ ์‹ ๊ธฐ๋ก์„ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ์‹ค์ ์€ 8์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ์ดˆ๊ณผํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž๋ณธ์†”๋ฃจ์…˜ ์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ๊ฒฌ์ธํ•˜๋Š” ๊ธฐ์ € ํ™œ๋™์€ ์ ์  ๋” ๋‹ค๊ฐํ™”๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— 125๊ฑด ์ด์ƒ์˜ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜, ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ์•ฝ 430๊ฑด์˜ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์กŒ๊ณ , ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜ ํ™œ๋™์˜ ์•ฝ 60%๊ฐ€ ์‹ ์šฉ ์ค‘์‹ฌ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
This is -- this is a strong validation of how our proprietary origination capabilities are continuing to broaden and deepen, resulting in greater fee generation opportunities for ACS. Fee-related performance fees grew by 28% year-over-year, reflecting continued scaling of diversified wealth products and perpetual capital vehicles, led by ADS and with additional contributions from Redding Ridge, MidCap and other platforms.์ด๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋…์ ์ ์ธ ์ž์‚ฐ ๋ฐœ๊ตด ์—ญ๋Ÿ‰์ด ์ง€์†์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ™•๋Œ€๋˜๊ณ  ์‹ฌํ™”๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ๊ฒ€์ฆ์ด๋ฉฐ, ๊ทธ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ ACS์˜ ์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๋ฃŒ ์ฐฝ์ถœ ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ๋”์šฑ ํ™•๋Œ€๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ณด์ˆ˜ ๊ด€๋ จ ์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๋ฃŒ๋Š” ์ „๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ 28% ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ด๋Š” ADS๊ฐ€ ์ฃผ๋„ํ•˜๊ณ  Redding Ridge, MidCap ๋ฐ ๊ธฐํƒ€ ํ”Œ๋žซํผ๋“ค์ด ์ถ”๊ฐ€๋กœ ๊ธฐ์—ฌํ•œ ๊ฐ€์šด๋ฐ, ๋‹ค๊ฐํ™”๋œ ์ž์‚ฐ๊ด€๋ฆฌ ์ƒํ’ˆ๊ณผ ์˜๊ตฌ์ž๋ณธ ํˆฌ์ž๊ธฐ๊ตฌ์˜ ์ง€์†์ ์ธ ๊ทœ๋ชจ ํ™•๋Œ€๋ฅผ ๋ฐ˜์˜ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
In the fourth quarter, growth in fee-related expenses was driven by several factors, including the full quarter impact of Bridge, continued investment in our team with key senior hires, including our new heads of strategy and Asia, as well as infrastructure investment, particularly on next-generation technology platforms, data and AI initiatives and further normal course fourth quarter seasonality and some nonrecurring noncomp costs. For the full year, our FRE margin was approximately 57%, stable year-over-year and consistent with our previously communicated target.4๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— ์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๋ฃŒ ๊ด€๋ จ ๋น„์šฉ์˜ ์ฆ๊ฐ€๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์š”์ธ์— ์˜ํ•ด ๋ฐœ์ƒํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—๋Š” Bridge์˜ ์ „์ฒด ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์˜ํ–ฅ, ์ „๋žต ๋ฐ ์•„์‹œ์•„ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ ์‹ ์ž„ ์ฑ…์ž„์ž๋ฅผ ํฌํ•จํ•œ ํ•ต์‹ฌ ๊ณ ์œ„์ง ์ฑ„์šฉ์„ ํ†ตํ•œ ํŒ€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ง€์†์ ์ธ ํˆฌ์ž, ํŠนํžˆ ์ฐจ์„ธ๋Œ€ ๊ธฐ์ˆ  ํ”Œ๋žซํผ, ๋ฐ์ดํ„ฐ ๋ฐ AI ์ด๋‹ˆ์…”ํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ธํ”„๋ผ ํˆฌ์ž, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ†ต์ƒ์ ์ธ 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๊ณ„์ ˆ์„ฑ ๋ฐ ์ผ๋ถ€ ๋น„๋ฐ˜๋ณต์  ๋น„๋ณด์ƒ ๋น„์šฉ์ด ํฌํ•จ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ๋‹น์‚ฌ์˜ FRE ๋งˆ์ง„์€ ์•ฝ 57%๋กœ ์ „๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ ์•ˆ์ •์ ์ด์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด์ „์— ๊ณต์‹œํ•œ ๋ชฉํ‘œ์น˜์™€ ์ผ์น˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
In the first 4 months post acquisition, Bridge contributed approximately $105 billion of fee-related revenue and $60 million of fee-related expenses to our 2025 results. And quarterizing that contribution is a reasonable way to estimate the run rate contribution over the near term. Excluding the impact of Bridge, our full year FRE margin grew by about 50 basis points, inclusive of the cost of significant investments in our platform. Moving to Retirement Services. Athene's net invested assets grew by 18% year-over-year to $292 billion. We generated $865 million of SRE for the quarter with an additional $28 million at our long-term 11% return expectation on the alternatives portfolio.์ธ์ˆ˜ ํ›„ ์ฒซ 4๊ฐœ์›” ๋™์•ˆ Bridge๋Š” 2025๋…„ ์‹ค์ ์— ์•ฝ 1,050์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๋ฃŒ ๊ด€๋ จ ๋งค์ถœ๊ณผ 6,000๋งŒ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๋ฃŒ ๊ด€๋ จ ๋น„์šฉ์„ ๊ธฐ์—ฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ๊ธฐ์—ฌ๋„๋ฅผ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ๋ณ„๋กœ ํ™˜์‚ฐํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‹จ๊ธฐ์ ์ธ ๋Ÿฐ๋ ˆ์ดํŠธ(run rate) ๊ธฐ์—ฌ๋„๋ฅผ ์ถ”์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ํ•ฉ๋ฆฌ์ ์ธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Bridge์˜ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ์ œ์™ธํ•˜๋ฉด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ FRE ๋งˆ์ง„์€ ํ”Œ๋žซํผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ํˆฌ์ž ๋น„์šฉ์„ ํฌํ•จํ•˜์—ฌ ์•ฝ 50bp(๋ฒ ์ด์‹œ์Šค ํฌ์ธํŠธ) ์„ฑ์žฅํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์€ํ‡ด์„œ๋น„์Šค(Retirement Services) ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์œผ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Athene์˜ ์ˆœํˆฌ์ž์ž์‚ฐ์€ ์ „๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ 18% ์„ฑ์žฅํ•˜์—ฌ 2,920์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น ๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— 8์–ต 6,500๋งŒ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ SRE๋ฅผ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ๋Œ€์ฒดํˆฌ์ž ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์—์„œ ์žฅ๊ธฐ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ  11%๋ฅผ ์ ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ์ถ”๊ฐ€๋กœ 2,800๋งŒ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
The alts return for the quarter came in slightly higher than our pre-estimate due to favorable late quarter pricing adjustments. The blended net spread ex notables was 120 basis points in the fourth quarter versus 121 basis points in the prior quarter, primarily reflecting asset prepayments and mostly offset by new business growth and higher return on the alts portfolio. When considering our 11% return expectation on the alternatives portfolio, the net spread in the fourth quarter would have been 4 basis points higher. Both the fourth quarter and the full year SRE landed slightly above our previously communicated expectations.์ด๋ฒˆ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋Œ€์ฒดํˆฌ์ž ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์€ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋ง ์œ ๋ฆฌํ•œ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ ์กฐ์ •์œผ๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ๋‹น์‚ฌ์˜ ์‚ฌ์ „ ์ถ”์ •์น˜๋ณด๋‹ค ์†Œํญ ๋†’๊ฒŒ ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•ญ๋ชฉ์„ ์ œ์™ธํ•œ ํ˜ผํ•ฉ ์ˆœ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋Š” 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— 120bp๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Š” ์ „๋ถ„๊ธฐ 121bp ๋Œ€๋น„ ๊ฐ์†Œํ•œ ์ˆ˜์น˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ์ฃผ๋กœ ์ž์‚ฐ ์กฐ๊ธฐ์ƒํ™˜์„ ๋ฐ˜์˜ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์‹ ๊ทœ ์‚ฌ์—… ์„ฑ์žฅ๊ณผ ๋Œ€์ฒดํˆฌ์ž ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์˜ ๋†’์€ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ๋กœ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ์ƒ์‡„๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋Œ€์ฒดํˆฌ์ž ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋‹น์‚ฌ์˜ 11% ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ  ๊ธฐ๋Œ€์น˜๋ฅผ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•  ๊ฒฝ์šฐ, 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์ˆœ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋Š” 4bp ๋” ๋†’์•˜์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ์™€ ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ SRE ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋‹น์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด์ „์— ๊ณต์‹œํ•œ ์˜ˆ์ƒ์น˜๋ฅผ ์†Œํญ ์ƒํšŒํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
We continue to originate new business that meets our long-term ROE targets and that is in line with historical averages, supported by our origination capabilities and highly efficient cost structure. The recently announced transaction with Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance, ARI, is one such example where Athene will acquire, subject to ARI stockholder approval, $9 billion of commercial mortgage assets with attractive yields and conservative LTVs. These assets offer approximately 50 to 75 basis points of additional spread versus new issue CMLs today. And importantly, Athene already knows the portfolio well given nearly 50% ownership overlap with the underlying loans.์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์žฅ๊ธฐ ROE ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋ฅผ ์ถฉ์กฑํ•˜๊ณ  ์—ญ์‚ฌ์  ํ‰๊ท ์น˜์— ๋ถ€ํ•ฉํ•˜๋Š” ์‹ ๊ทœ ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ์ง€์†์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์กฐ๋‹ฌ ์—ญ๋Ÿ‰๊ณผ ๋งค์šฐ ํšจ์œจ์ ์ธ ๋น„์šฉ ๊ตฌ์กฐ์— ์˜ํ•ด ๋’ท๋ฐ›์นจ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ตœ๊ทผ ๋ฐœํ‘œ๋œ Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance(ARI)์™€์˜ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋ก€ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด Athene์€ ARI ์ฃผ์ฃผ ์Šน์ธ์„ ์กฐ๊ฑด์œผ๋กœ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ๊ณผ ๋ณด์ˆ˜์ ์ธ LTV๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง„ 90์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์˜ ์ƒ์—…์šฉ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์ž์‚ฐ์„ ์ธ์ˆ˜ํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ž์‚ฐ๋“ค์€ ํ˜„์žฌ ์‹ ๊ทœ ๋ฐœํ–‰ CML ๋Œ€๋น„ ์•ฝ 50~75bp์˜ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ ์€, Athene์ด ๊ธฐ์ดˆ ๋Œ€์ถœ์˜ ๊ฑฐ์˜ 50%๊ฐ€ ์ค‘๋ณต ๋ณด์œ ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์–ด ์ด๋ฏธ ํ•ด๋‹น ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋ฅผ ์ž˜ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Turning to Principal Investing. Realized performance fees of $588 million in the fourth quarter were driven by carry from several strategies. Fund X appreciated above its escrow ratio for the first time, allowing us to receive a catch-up of carry previously accrued. Accord Plus completed a full portfolio monetization following the 1-year anniversary after its investment period. And our credit hedge fund credit strategies recognized its annual crystallization upon generating very strong performance. Our operating tax rate in the fourth quarter benefited from large deductions related to employee stock compensation due to a higher stock price on delivery.์ฃผ์š” ํˆฌ์ž(Principal Investing) ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์œผ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์‹คํ˜„ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ณด์ˆ˜๋Š” 5์–ต 8,800๋งŒ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋กœ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ „๋žต์—์„œ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•œ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ณด์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ๊ธฐ์—ฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Fund X๋Š” ์—์Šคํฌ๋กœ ๋น„์œจ์„ ์ฒ˜์Œ์œผ๋กœ ์ƒํšŒํ•˜๋ฉฐ ํ‰๊ฐ€๋˜์–ด, ์ด์ „์— ์ ๋ฆฝ๋œ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ณด์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์ผ์‹œ์— ์ˆ˜๋ นํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Accord Plus๋Š” ํˆฌ์ž๊ธฐ๊ฐ„ ์ข…๋ฃŒ 1์ฃผ๋…„์„ ๋งž์•„ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค ์ „์ฒด ํ˜„๊ธˆํ™”๋ฅผ ์™„๋ฃŒํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‚ฌ์˜ ํฌ๋ ˆ๋”ง ํ—ค์ง€ํŽ€๋“œ ํฌ๋ ˆ๋”ง ์ „๋žต์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์šฐ์ˆ˜ํ•œ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•˜์—ฌ ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ๊ฒฐ์ •(crystallization) ์‹œ์ ์— ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ณด์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์ธ์‹ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์˜์—…์„ธ์œจ์€ ์ฃผ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ์Šน์œผ๋กœ ์ธํ•œ ์ง์› ์ฃผ์‹๋ณด์ƒ ๊ด€๋ จ ๋Œ€๊ทœ๋ชจ ์„ธ์•ก๊ณต์ œ ํ˜œํƒ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
We continue to expect our multiyear tax rate to be approximately 20%, subject to quarterly variability. On capital allocation, we've returned approximately $1.5 billion to shareholders via dividends and repurchases during the year, while also allocating capital to strategically invest in future growth. With respect to dividends, we intend to increase the annual per share amount by 10% from $2.04 to $2.25, commencing with the first quarter of 2026. This continues our commitment to returning capital through dividends, which we intend to grow approximately 10% annually or roughly half the growth rate of FRE as well as share repurchases to immunize equity-based compensation.์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ถ„๊ธฐ๋ณ„ ๋ณ€๋™์„ฑ์€ ์žˆ๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ, ๋‹ค๋…„๊ฐ„ ์„ธ์œจ์ด ์•ฝ 20%๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๊ณ„์† ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž๋ณธ ๋ฐฐ๋ถ„๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จํ•˜์—ฌ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฏธ๋ž˜ ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ „๋žต์  ํˆฌ์ž์— ์ž๋ณธ์„ ๋ฐฐ๋ถ„ํ•˜๋Š” ๋™์‹œ์— ์˜ฌํ•ด ๋ฐฐ๋‹น๊ณผ ์ž์‚ฌ์ฃผ ๋งค์ž…์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ฃผ์ฃผ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์•ฝ 15์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ํ™˜์›ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐฐ๋‹น๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จํ•˜์—ฌ, 2026๋…„ 1๋ถ„๊ธฐ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ์ฃผ๋‹น ๋ฐฐ๋‹น๊ธˆ์„ 2.04๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์—์„œ 2.25๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋กœ 10% ์ธ์ƒํ•  ๊ณ„ํš์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ๋ฐฐ๋‹น์„ ํ†ตํ•œ ์ž๋ณธ ํ™˜์›์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์•ฝ์†์„ ์ด์–ด๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐฐ๋‹น๊ธˆ์„ ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ์•ฝ 10%, ์ฆ‰ FRE(์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๋ฃŒ ๊ด€๋ จ ์ˆ˜์ต) ์„ฑ์žฅ๋ฅ ์˜ ์•ฝ ์ ˆ๋ฐ˜ ์ˆ˜์ค€์œผ๋กœ ์ฆ๊ฐ€์‹œํ‚ฌ ๊ณ„ํš์ด๋ฉฐ, ๋™์‹œ์— ์ฃผ์‹ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜ ๋ณด์ƒ์„ ์ƒ์‡„ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ž์‚ฌ์ฃผ ๋งค์ž…๋„ ์‹ค์‹œํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
As we enter 2026, we do so with significant embedded momentum across the platform and a clear line of sight to continued earnings growth. As we previously communicated, we expect FRE to grow by 20% plus with 75% of the revenue contribution coming from well-established core businesses such as asset-backed finance, direct lending, multi-credit and hybrid as well as the annualization of growth already in the ground. The remaining 25% of top line growth, we expect to come from newer initiatives such as Apollo Sports Capital and Athora's pending acquisition of PIC. Specific to FRE expenses, we expect low double-digit growth in non-comp costs, inclusive of a full year of Bridge.2026๋…„์„ ๋งž์ดํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ”Œ๋žซํผ ์ „๋ฐ˜์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ๋‚ด์žฌ ๋ชจ๋ฉ˜ํ…€๊ณผ ์ง€์†์ ์ธ ์ด์ต ์„ฑ์žฅ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์‹œ์„ฑ์„ ํ™•๋ณดํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ „์— ๊ณต์ง€ํ•œ ๋ฐ”์™€ ๊ฐ™์ด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” FRE๊ฐ€ 20% ์ด์ƒ ์„ฑ์žฅํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ๋งค์ถœ ๊ธฐ์—ฌ๋„์˜ 75%๋Š” ์ž์‚ฐ๋‹ด๋ณด๊ธˆ์œต, ์ง์ ‘๋Œ€์ถœ, ๋ฉ€ํ‹ฐํฌ๋ ˆ๋”ง, ํ•˜์ด๋ธŒ๋ฆฌ๋“œ์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ž˜ ํ™•๋ฆฝ๋œ ํ•ต์‹ฌ ์‚ฌ์—…๊ณผ ์ด๋ฏธ ํ™•๋ณด๋œ ์„ฑ์žฅ์˜ ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ํ™”์—์„œ ๋‚˜์˜ฌ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์ „๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋จธ์ง€ 25%์˜ ๋งค์ถœ ์„ฑ์žฅ์€ Apollo Sports Capital๊ณผ Athora์˜ PIC ์ธ์ˆ˜ ์˜ˆ์ • ๊ฑด๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์‹ ๊ทœ ์‚ฌ์—…์—์„œ ๋‚˜์˜ฌ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. FRE ๋น„์šฉ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จํ•˜์—ฌ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” Bridge์˜ ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ์‹ค์  ์ „์ฒด๋ฅผ ํฌํ•จํ•˜์—ฌ ๋น„๋ณด์ƒ ๋น„์šฉ์ด ๋‚ฎ์€ ๋‘ ์ž๋ฆฟ์ˆ˜ ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Compensation cost growth will reflect investments in the build-out to support the 6 markets and further senior hires in specific areas as well as a full year of comp costs associated with Bridge, in some growing at a high teens growth rate. For SRE, we anticipate 10% growth and assuming an 11% alts return or approximately $3.85 billion in 2026. This outlook is consistent with our detailed retirement services business update from last November. Since the merger with Athene, which closed at the beginning of 2022, we have generated compound annual growth in adjusted net income of 17%, more than double that of S&P 500 companies over the same period.๋ณด์ƒ๋น„์šฉ ์ฆ๊ฐ€๋Š” 6๊ฐœ ์‹œ์žฅ ์ง€์›์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ธ๋ ฅ ํ™•์ถฉ ํˆฌ์ž์™€ ํŠน์ • ๋ถ„์•ผ์˜ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ์‹œ๋‹ˆ์–ด๊ธ‰ ์ฑ„์šฉ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Bridge ๊ด€๋ จ ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ๋ณด์ƒ๋น„์šฉ์„ ๋ฐ˜์˜ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” 10%๋Œ€ ํ›„๋ฐ˜์˜ ์„ฑ์žฅ๋ฅ ์„ ๋ณด์ผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. SRE์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ 10% ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ๋Œ€์ฒดํˆฌ์ž ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ  11% ๋˜๋Š” 2026๋…„ ์•ฝ 38์–ต 5์ฒœ๋งŒ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ •ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ „๋ง์€ ์ง€๋‚œ 11์›” ๋ฐœํ‘œํ•œ ์ƒ์„ธํ•œ ํ‡ด์ง ์„œ๋น„์Šค ์‚ฌ์—… ์—…๋ฐ์ดํŠธ์™€ ์ผ์น˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 2022๋…„ ์ดˆ ์™„๋ฃŒ๋œ Athene๊ณผ์˜ ํ•ฉ๋ณ‘ ์ดํ›„, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์กฐ์ • ์ˆœ์ด์ต์—์„œ ์—ฐํ‰๊ท  17% ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Š” ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„ S&P 500 ๊ธฐ์—…๋“ค์˜ ์„ฑ์žฅ๋ฅ ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋‘ ๋ฐฐ ์ด์ƒ ๋†’์€ ์ˆ˜์น˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
As we enter 2026, we are extremely well positioned to continue delivering durable performance and compounding value for our shareholders. And with that, I'll hand the call back to the operator. We appreciate your time, and we welcome your questions.2026๋…„์„ ๋งž์ดํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ, ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ง€์† ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•œ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ์ด์–ด๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์ฃผ์ฃผ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๊ป˜ ๋ณต๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์น˜๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ์œ ๋ฆฌํ•œ ์œ„์น˜์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๊ตํ™˜์›์—๊ฒŒ ๋งˆ์ดํฌ๋ฅผ ๋„˜๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ท€์ค‘ํ•œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋‚ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉฐ, ์งˆ๋ฌธ ํ™˜์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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# Apollo Global Management Q4 2025 ์‹ค์  ์š”์•ฝ

## ํ•ต์‹ฌ ์žฌ๋ฌด ์„ฑ๊ณผ
- **์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ์‹ค์ **: FRE+SRE ํ•ฉ์‚ฐ $5.9B ๊ธฐ๋ก, ์กฐ์ •์ˆœ์ด์ต $5.2B(YoY +14%, ์ฃผ๋‹น $8.38)
- **FRE**: ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ $2.5B(YoY +23%), FRE ๋งˆ์ง„ 57% ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ์—…๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ  ์ˆ˜์ค€ ์„ฑ์žฅ๋ฅ  ๊ธฐ๋ก
- **SRE**: ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ $3.4B(YoY +9%), 4Q $865M ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•˜๋ฉฐ ๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค ์ƒํšŒ
- **์ž์‚ฐ ์šด์šฉ**: AUM $938B(YoY +25%), ์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๋ฃŒ ์ฐฝ์ถœ AUM $709B๋กœ ํ™•๋Œ€
- **์ž๊ธˆ ์œ ์ž…**: ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ๊ธฐ๋ก์  $228B ์œ ์ž…(์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ $145B, Athene $83B), ์œ ๊ธฐ์  ์œ ์ž… $182B ์ค‘ 2/3๊ฐ€ ์ œ3์ž ์ž๊ธˆ

## 2026๋…„ ๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค ๋ฐ ์ „๋žต
- **FRE ์„ฑ์žฅ**: 20%+ ์„ฑ์žฅ ์ „๋ง(๋น„ํ”Œ๋ž˜๊ทธ์‹ญ ํŽ€๋“œ ์—ฐ๋„์ž„์—๋„), 75%๋Š” ๊ธฐ์กด ํ•ต์‹ฌ ์‚ฌ์—…์—์„œ ์ฐฝ์ถœ
- **SRE ์„ฑ์žฅ**: 10% ์„ฑ์žฅ ๋ชฉํ‘œ($3.85B ์˜ˆ์ƒ), 2029๋…„๊นŒ์ง€ ์—ฐํ‰๊ท  10% ์„ฑ์žฅ ์žฌํ™•์ธ
- **Athene ์œ ์ž…**: $85B ์˜ˆ์ƒ, ์ด์ค‘ $5B๋Š” 18๊ฐœ์›” ์ „ ์ง„์ถœํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋˜ ์‹ ๊ทœ ์‹œ์žฅ์—์„œ ์œ ์ž…
- **๋น„์šฉ**: ๋น„๋ณด์ƒ ๋น„์šฉ ์ €๋‘์ž๋ฆฟ์ˆ˜ ์„ฑ์žฅ, ๋ณด์ƒ ๋น„์šฉ ๊ณ 10%๋Œ€ ์„ฑ์žฅ(Bridge ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ํ™” ๋ฐ˜์˜


โ“ Q&A

Original Translation
Operator: [Operator Instructions] Our first question is coming from Mike Brown of UBS.**Operator:** [๊ตํ™˜์› ์•ˆ๋‚ด] ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ UBS์˜ Mike Brown์œผ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ฐ›๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Michael Brown: UBS Investment Bank, Research Division So I wanted to start on, Martin, you commented on the ARI transaction. I actually wanted to start there. Can you just unpack a little bit of the implications to SRE here? Just looking at the loans, they have a nice high yield of about 7.7%. So just thinking through that, how can that help with the spread? Can that drive spread higher? Or is it something that kind of just helps drive growth for Athene? And then what are some of the offsets that we need to consider when we think about how that could play through for SRE?**Michael Brown:** ๋งˆํ‹ด, ARI ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์„œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. SRE์— ๋ฏธ์น˜๋Š” ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ์ข€ ๋” ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”? ๋Œ€์ถœ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ฉด ์•ฝ 7.7%์˜ ๋†’์€ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์„ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ์— ์–ด๋–ค ๋„์›€์ด ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”? ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋ฅผ ๋†’์ด๋Š” ๋ฐ ๊ธฐ์—ฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”? ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋‹จ์ˆœํžˆ Athene์˜ ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ๊ฒฌ์ธํ•˜๋Š” ์š”์†Œ์ผ๊นŒ์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  SRE์— ์–ด๋–ค ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น ์ง€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณผ ๋•Œ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ƒ์‡„ ์š”์ธ๋“ค์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
Marc Rowan: CEO & Chairman of the Board So it's Marc to start, and then we'll get to the specifics of your question. If you think about what's going on, institutions are looking really hard for durable spread, safe yield, if you will. Individuals, for at least retail investors and stocks, trade these vehicles at a discount. The notion of us continuing to invest into vehicles that don't create value to shareholders didn't make a lot of sense to us. And so for us, the best outcome was to transfer the portfolio at fair market value from the public company, which is trading at a discount to NAV, to primarily Athene, but will ultimately be other third-party buyers for loans that they already know that offer them spreads in excess of what's available in the current market. This is just, for us, just common sense. Again, just to focus, we see this across our business. The structure of some of these vehicles, particularly the closed-end vehicles, just historically have traded at discounts at a point in time when the assets themselves are very scarce. As we transfer those assets to Athene, it will not be a full net benefit of, for instance, $9 billion with excess spread because we maintain a diversified portfolio. It will displace other forms of SRE lending. And Martin's comments and our confidence in the 10% SRE for the year embeds the notion of this portfolio as opposed to it being additive. I don't know if either Jim or Martin, do you want to...**Marc Rowan:** ๋จผ์ € ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ํ˜„์žฌ ๊ธฐ๊ด€ํˆฌ์ž์ž๋“ค์€ ์•ˆ์ •์ ์ธ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ, ์ฆ‰ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•œ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์„ ์ฐพ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ •๋ง ์—ด์‹ฌํžˆ ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ˜๋ฉด ๊ฐœ์ธํˆฌ์ž์ž๋“ค, ์ ์–ด๋„ ์ฃผ์‹ ํˆฌ์ž์ž๋“ค์€ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ƒํ’ˆ๋“ค์„ ์ˆœ์ž์‚ฐ๊ฐ€์น˜(NAV) ๋Œ€๋น„ ํ• ์ธ๋œ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฃผ์ฃผ ๊ฐ€์น˜๋ฅผ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ์ƒํ’ˆ์— ๊ณ„์† ํˆฌ์žํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ํฐ ์˜๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์ตœ์„ ์˜ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋Š” NAV ๋Œ€๋น„ ํ• ์ธ๋œ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋˜๋Š” ์ƒ์žฅ์‚ฌ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋ฅผ ๊ณต์ •์‹œ์žฅ๊ฐ€์น˜๋กœ ์ด์ „ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฃผ์š” ๋งค์ˆ˜์ž๋Š” ์•„ํ…Œ๋„ค(Athene)๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ , ๊ถ๊ทน์ ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ํ˜„์žฌ ์‹œ์žฅ์—์„œ ๊ตฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋†’์€ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š”, ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ด๋ฏธ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋Œ€์ถœ ์ƒํ’ˆ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ œ3์ž ๋งค์ˆ˜์ž๋“ค๋„ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ €ํฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์ƒ์‹์ ์ธ ํŒ๋‹จ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค์‹œ ๊ฐ•์กฐํ•˜์ž๋ฉด, ์ด๋Š” ์ €ํฌ ์‚ฌ์—… ์ „๋ฐ˜์—์„œ ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚˜๋Š” ํ˜„์ƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ๋ถ€ ํˆฌ์ž ์ˆ˜๋‹จ๋“ค, ํŠนํžˆ ํ์‡„ํ˜• ํŽ€๋“œ์˜ ๊ตฌ์กฐ๋Š” ์—ญ์‚ฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ธฐ์ดˆ์ž์‚ฐ ์ž์ฒด๊ฐ€ ๋งค์šฐ ํฌ์†Œํ•œ ์‹œ์ ์— ํ• ์ธ๋œ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋˜์–ด ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ž์‚ฐ๋“ค์„ Athene์œผ๋กœ ์ด์ „ํ•  ๋•Œ, ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์ดˆ๊ณผ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” 90์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ „์ฒด๊ฐ€ ์ˆœ์ˆ˜์ต์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐ˜์˜๋˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๋ถ„์‚ฐ ํˆฌ์ž ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋ฅผ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํ˜•ํƒœ์˜ SRE ๋Œ€์ถœ์„ ๋Œ€์ฒดํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Martin์ด ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•œ ๋‚ด์šฉ๊ณผ ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ 10% SRE์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ €ํฌ์˜ ํ™•์‹ ์—๋Š” ์ด ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๊ฐ€ ์ถ”๊ฐ€์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ๊ธฐ์กด ๊ณ„ํš์— ํฌํ•จ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฐœ๋…์ด ๋ฐ˜์˜๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Jim์ด๋‚˜ Martin, ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•˜์‹ค ๋‚ด์šฉ์ด...
President & Director: Yes, I think listen, Marc has captured the philosophy of getting the right cost of capital and the right investor capital on certain assets. And again, this is just a basic philosophy about how we approach all of these vehicles. And so the idea of having a pool of assets that are institutionally in high demand in a vehicle trading at a historic discount does not make philosophical sense for it. So it goes into a principal mindset and alignment at the core of what we do. And I'll let Martin talk about the philosophy or the specifics, excuse me.**President & Director:** ๋„ค, ๋งˆํฌ๊ฐ€ ํŠน์ • ์ž์‚ฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ ์ ˆํ•œ ์ž๋ณธ ๋น„์šฉ๊ณผ ์ ์ ˆํ•œ ํˆฌ์ž์ž ์ž๋ณธ์„ ํ™•๋ณดํ•˜๋Š” ์ฒ ํ•™์„ ์ž˜ ์„ค๋ช…ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๋“  ๋น„ํžˆํด์— ์ ‘๊ทผํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ ์ฒ ํ•™์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธฐ๊ด€ํˆฌ์ž์ž๋“ค์˜ ์ˆ˜์š”๊ฐ€ ๋†’์€ ์ž์‚ฐ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๊ฐ€ ์—ญ์‚ฌ์  ํ• ์ธ์œจ๋กœ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋˜๋Š” ๋น„ํžˆํด์— ๋‹ด๊ฒจ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ฒ ํ•™์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งž์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์˜ ํ•ต์‹ฌ์ธ ์›์น™์  ์‚ฌ๊ณ ๋ฐฉ์‹๊ณผ ์ดํ•ด๊ด€๊ณ„ ์ผ์น˜๋กœ ๊ท€๊ฒฐ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ๋‚ด์šฉ์€ ๋งˆํ‹ด์ด ์„ค๋ช…ํ•˜๋„๋ก ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Partner & CFO: Sure. So it's -- I think it's clear, Mike, that our objective here is to deliver 10% SRE growth. And so this transaction, while not contemplated in the prior guidance we gave certainly sort of helps derisk the year. And so that's -- I would view it as a part of step to delivering 10% accessory growth, but don't assume it's more than that. We're focused on 10% annual growth over time.**Partner & CFO:** ๋„ค, ๋ช…ํ™•ํžˆ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด ์ €ํฌ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋Š” 10% SRE ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋ฒˆ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋Š” ์ด์ „์— ์ œ์‹œํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค์— ํฌํ•จ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ด์ง€๋งŒ, ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์˜ฌํ•ด์˜ ๋ฆฌ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ์ค„์ด๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด๋ฅผ 10% ๋ถ€์† ์‚ฌ์—… ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ผ๋ถ€ ๋‹จ๊ณ„๋กœ ๋ณด์‹œ๋ฉด ๋˜๊ณ , ๊ทธ ์ด์ƒ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€์ •ํ•˜์ง€๋Š” ๋งˆ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์žฅ๊ธฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ 10% ์„ฑ์žฅ์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question is coming from Alex Blostein of Goldman Sachs.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ๊ณจ๋“œ๋งŒ์‚ญ์Šค์˜ ์•Œ๋ ‰์Šค ๋ธ”๋กœ์Šคํƒ€์ธ์œผ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋“ค์–ด์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Alexander Blostein: Goldman Sachs Group, Inc., Research Division I was hoping we could spend a minute on dynamics in the nontraded BDC space and ADS and your comments there specifically. So obviously, it's been a little bit more turbulent with redemptions picking up and gross sales have generally slowed down, and that's really even before all the software headlines from the last week or so. To your point, ADS, I think, is in mid-teens exposure to software, and you talked obviously about other features that make the product perhaps less risky than what's out there. Is that resonating with advisers in the channels? How do you think the competitive position of ADS will look over the next sort of 6 to 12 months from a net flow perspective when it comes to this part of the market?**Alexander Blostein:** ๋น„์ƒ์žฅ BDC ์‹œ์žฅ๊ณผ ADS์˜ ์—ญํ•™ ๊ด€๊ณ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ž ์‹œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๋Œ€๋กœ ํ™˜๋งค๊ฐ€ ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ด ํŒ๋งค๊ฐ€ ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‘”ํ™”๋˜๋ฉด์„œ ๋‹ค์†Œ ๋ถˆ์•ˆ์ •ํ•œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด์—ˆ๊ณ , ์ด๋Š” ์ง€๋‚œ์ฃผ ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด ๊ด€๋ จ ํ—ค๋“œ๋ผ์ธ์ด ๋‚˜์˜ค๊ธฐ ์ „๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๊ทธ๋žฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๋Œ€๋กœ ADS๋Š” ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ต์Šคํฌ์ €๊ฐ€ 10%๋Œ€ ์ค‘๋ฐ˜ ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด๊ณ , ์‹œ์žฅ์— ๋‚˜์™€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ƒํ’ˆ๋“ค๋ณด๋‹ค ๋ฆฌ์Šคํฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‚ฎ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ํŠน์ง•๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋„ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ ๋“ค์ด ์ฑ„๋„์˜ ์–ด๋“œ๋ฐ”์ด์ €๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๊ณต๊ฐ์„ ์–ป๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? ํ–ฅํ›„ 6๊ฐœ์›”์—์„œ 12๊ฐœ์›” ๋™์•ˆ ์ด ์‹œ์žฅ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์—์„œ ์ˆœ์œ ์ž… ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ADS์˜ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ๋ ฅ์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์‹œ๋Š”์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
President & Director: Yes, Alex, it's Jim. Yes, there's no doubt that what's happening today, we have been consistent for the last 24 months, if not longer, about the philosophy in terms of portfolio construction with regards to ADS, 100% senior secured, first lien, no PIK, no ARR. And all of those themes have resonated historically, but certainly resonating currently as well. We had a net -- even though with a small below-the-line redemption in the fourth quarter, net new assets were up every quarter last year, over $5 billion of net inflows. And yes, it's resounding to many of the distribution channels that it's the alignment and philosophy, but it's return without reaching. So yes, we expect the numbers, as you mentioned, we're a little bit over double digit in terms of aggregate software exposure. But when you really take -- again, it's really more about selectivity than it is real exposure. And when you look at our software PIK exposure, negligible; when you look at our software ARR exposure, negligible; when you look at our pre-'21, '22 software exposure, negligible. And so those folks who really are students of the product are able to really differentiate. And we expect to be picking up share in that product. But also, we've been clear in the last 24 months that investors should diversify away from their corporate exposure in terms of a broader portfolio approach, and that's why we're so excited about ABC, really the flagship vehicle in the marketplace in terms of asset-backed portfolio construction. So we couldn't be happier about our current position and feel like we'll accelerate, capture greater market share. And investors are really seeing that rather than chasing the hot dot.**President & Director:** ๋„ค, ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€๋‚œ 24๊ฐœ์›” ๋™์•ˆ, ์•„๋‹ˆ ๊ทธ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ์˜ค๋ž˜ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ADS ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค ๊ตฌ์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ฒ ํ•™์„ ์ผ๊ด€๋˜๊ฒŒ ์œ ์ง€ํ•ด์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 100% ์„ ์ˆœ์œ„ ๋‹ด๋ณด๋ถ€์ฑ„๊ถŒ(senior secured), ์ œ1์ˆœ์œ„ ๋‹ด๋ณด๊ถŒ(first lien), PIK ์—†์Œ, ARR ์—†์Œ์ด์ฃ . ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์›์น™๋“ค์€ ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ์—๋„ ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐ˜์‘์„ ์–ป์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ํ˜„์žฌ ์‹œ์žฅ ์ƒํ™ฉ์—์„œ ํŠนํžˆ ๋” ํฐ ๊ณต๊ฐ์„ ์–ป๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

4๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— ์†Œ๊ทœ๋ชจ ํ™˜๋งค๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Œ์—๋„ ๋ถˆ๊ตฌํ•˜๊ณ , ์ž‘๋…„ ํ•œ ํ•ด ๋™์•ˆ ๋งค ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์ˆœ์‹ ๊ทœ ์ž์‚ฐ์ด ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ–ˆ๊ณ , 50์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ด์ƒ์˜ ์ˆœ์œ ์ž…์„ ๊ธฐ๋กํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์œ ํ†ต ์ฑ„๋„์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ผ๊ด€๋œ ์ฒ ํ•™๊ณผ ์ •๋ ฌ์ด ํฐ ํ˜ธ์‘์„ ์–ป๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ํ•ต์‹ฌ์€ ๋ฌด๋ฆฌํ•œ ์œ„ํ—˜ ์ถ”๊ตฌ ์—†์ด ์ˆ˜์ต์„ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ์ „์ฒด ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด ์ต์Šคํฌ์ €๋Š” ํ˜„์žฌ ๋‘ ์ž๋ฆฟ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ์ƒํšŒํ•˜๋Š” ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด๋ฉฐ, ์•ž์œผ๋กœ๋„ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ํ๋ฆ„์ด ์ง€์†๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ด๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ ์ต์Šคํฌ์ €๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ์„ ๋ณ„์„ฑ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด PIK ์ต์Šคํฌ์ €๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ฉด ๋ฏธ๋ฏธํ•œ ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด๊ณ , ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด ARR ์ต์Šคํฌ์ €๋„ ๋ฏธ๋ฏธํ•˜๋ฉฐ, 2021๋…„๊ณผ 2022๋…„ ์ด์ „ ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด ์ต์Šคํฌ์ € ์—ญ์‹œ ๋ฏธ๋ฏธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ƒํ’ˆ์„ ์ œ๋Œ€๋กœ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜์‹œ๋Š” ๋ถ„๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ ์ฐจ๋ณ„์„ฑ์„ ๋ช…ํ™•ํžˆ ๊ตฌ๋ถ„ํ•˜์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด ์ƒํ’ˆ์—์„œ ์‹œ์žฅ ์ ์œ ์œจ์„ ํ™•๋Œ€ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋˜ํ•œ ์ง€๋‚œ 24๊ฐœ์›” ๋™์•ˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํˆฌ์ž์ž๋“ค๊ป˜ ๋ณด๋‹ค ๊ด‘๋ฒ”์œ„ํ•œ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค ์ ‘๊ทผ ๋ฐฉ์‹์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ๊ธฐ์—… ์ต์Šคํฌ์ €๋ฅผ ๋ถ„์‚ฐํ•  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ช…ํ™•ํžˆ ๊ถŒ๊ณ ํ•ด ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ABC์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์œ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ABC๋Š” ์ž์‚ฐ๋‹ด๋ณด ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค ๊ตฌ์„ฑ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ์‹œ์žฅ์˜ ๋Œ€ํ‘œ์ ์ธ ์ƒํ’ˆ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์œ„์น˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ๋งŒ์กฑ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ๋”์šฑ ๊ฐ€์†ํ™”ํ•˜์—ฌ ๋” ํฐ ์‹œ์žฅ ์ ์œ ์œจ์„ ํ™•๋ณดํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํˆฌ์ž์ž๋“ค๋„ ์ผ์‹œ์ ์ธ ์œ ํ–‰์„ ์ซ“๊ธฐ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ ์„ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ธ์‹ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: Our next question is coming from Glenn Schorr of Evercore ISI.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ์—๋ฒ„์ฝ”์–ด ISI์˜ ๊ธ€๋ Œ ์‡ผ๋ฅด๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Glenn Schorr: Evercore ISI Institutional Equities, Research Division Maybe just continuing your ongoing theme of the total portfolio approach, the excess return per unit of risk. I would imagine at times like this, we're going to see some really differentiated performance. That goes across all your asset classes. So I guess I'm curious, maybe more on the institutional side, what was the interaction with LPs over the last week or 2? And where I'm coming from is, are there any bigger implications from what happened? Meaning are LPs rethinking size of allocation to privates in general or just maybe a switch in terms of structure and having more liquid vehicles as part of their mindset? I'm just curious if you'd opine on that.**Glenn Schorr:** ํ˜„์žฌ ์ง„ํ–‰ ์ค‘์ธ ์ด ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค ์ ‘๊ทผ๋ฒ•, ์ฆ‰ ์œ„ํ—˜ ๋Œ€๋น„ ์ดˆ๊ณผ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ฃผ์ œ๋ฅผ ์ด์–ด๊ฐ€์ž๋ฉด, ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์‹œ๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ์ •๋ง ์ฐจ๋ณ„ํ™”๋œ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์ž์‚ฐ๊ตฐ์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚˜๋Š” ํ˜„์ƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ธฐ๊ด€ํˆฌ์ž์ž ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ์ง€๋‚œ 1~2์ฃผ ๋™์•ˆ LP๋“ค๊ณผ์˜ ์ƒํ˜ธ์ž‘์šฉ์ด ์–ด๋• ๋Š”์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ์ญ™๊ณ ์ž ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€, ์ด๋ฒˆ ์‚ฌํƒœ๋กœ ์ธํ•œ ๋” ํฐ ์‹œ์‚ฌ์ ์ด ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. LP๋“ค์ด ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ๋ชจ ์ž์‚ฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ฐฐ๋ถ„ ๊ทœ๋ชจ๋ฅผ ์žฌ๊ณ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๊ตฌ์กฐ์  ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ์œ ๋™์„ฑ ์žˆ๋Š” ํˆฌ์ž ์ˆ˜๋‹จ์„ ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ํฌํ•จํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์œผ๋กœ ์ „ํ™˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ๋“ค๋ ค์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
Marc Rowan: CEO & Chairman of the Board So it's Marc, Glenn, and then I'll turn it over to Jim after. A lot of what's playing out is playing out in the public markets. Recall, and I know the concern on BDCs and private credit and direct origination as it relates to software. But I always remind people that, that is first lien. Most of the investments that are made into these private BDCs are derisking for the individual making the investment. They are not selling their treasury exposure. What they're doing is they're selling their equity exposure and they're making an intelligent decision that they can earn roughly long-term equity returns in first lien debt versus an equity. The equity exposure and the pricing of what's happened in software-related and other related has been extreme. We're talking, in some instances, quality companies down 50% to 70%. This is why people are in first lien to begin with. When you translate it over to the institutional side, you have a little bit of the same phenomenon. And so I do think that there is going to be increased dispersion amongst managers. It's been easy for a really long period of time, and as Jim suggested, in private markets, particularly private equity, it had been almost 30% of the -- software has been almost 30% of the market for a decade. Software is still an amazing business, but you may not like the purchase price at which you entered because you get to now look at the same companies down 50% to 70%. And that's the public companies. And I have to believe the private markets with leverage will go down equally as much. And so I expect that we will be, along with a handful of other managers, prettier, than we have been historically. The other thing to think about is so much of the conversation has taken place around the alternative bucket. And what we see, the vast majority of growth going forward is going to take place outside of the alternative bucket. Some of the wins in fixed income replacement, some of the wins into PRIV, some of the wins into AAA are institutional. And we see and I think you will see an acceleration of the institutional business going forward. I'm going to belabor this a little bit because this will be a theme across our business. Going back to the 6 markets, the first, of course, is the institutional alternatives portfolio business. The second has garnered most of the attention, which is the wealth business. But if you think about the other buckets, insurance, that's an institutional business. If you think about the debt and equity portfolios of institutions, that's an institutional business. The serving of traditional asset managers is an institutional business. 401(k), while we think retail is making a choice, it's actually not. It's an institutional business, because it's being made primarily by trustees and by consultants and by other forms of gatekeepers. I think you're going to see a change in the dialogue amongst the managers of private assets as they fully embrace this, which is not that wealth is not important, not that it's not going to grow. It's just the most visible. These other markets have every bit as much opportunity. And I continue to come back to the theme I've been on for quite a while, our business at the end of the day will vary from quarter-to-quarter, but it is not ultimately constrained by capital. There's plenty of demand for private assets. What it is constrained by is the ability to originate things that are worth buying. We are so focused on getting this origination side, right, not just in terms of volume but with a principal mindset where we're originating risk we are prepared to own, turns out clients like when you are side-by-side with them as opposed to selling to them.**Marc Rowan:** ๋งŽ์€ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด ๊ณต๊ฐœ ์‹œ์žฅ์—์„œ ์ง„ํ–‰๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜์‹ค ํ…๋ฐ์š”, BDC์™€ ์‚ฌ๋ชจ ์‹ ์šฉ(private credit), ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด ๊ด€๋ จ ์ง์ ‘ ๋Œ€์ถœ(direct origination)์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์šฐ๋ ค๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์„ ์ˆœ์œ„ ๋‹ด๋ณด๋Œ€์ถœ(first lien)์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ ์„ ์ƒ๊ธฐ์‹œํ‚ต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋ชจ BDC์— ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง€๋Š” ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ํˆฌ์ž๋Š” ํˆฌ์ž์ž ์ž…์žฅ์—์„œ ๋ฆฌ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ์ค„์ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ตญ์ฑ„ ์ต์Šคํฌ์ €๋ฅผ ๋งค๋„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ฃผ์‹ ์ต์Šคํฌ์ €๋ฅผ ๋งค๋„ํ•˜๊ณ , ์ฃผ์‹ ๋Œ€์‹  ์„ ์ˆœ์œ„ ๋‹ด๋ณด๋Œ€์ถœ์—์„œ ๋Œ€๋žต ์žฅ๊ธฐ ์ฃผ์‹ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ  ์ˆ˜์ค€์„ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ํ˜„๋ช…ํ•œ ํŒ๋‹จ์„ ๋‚ด๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด ๊ด€๋ จ ๋ฐ ๊ธฐํƒ€ ๊ด€๋ จ ๋ถ„์•ผ์˜ ์ฃผ์‹ ์ต์Šคํฌ์ €์™€ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ ๋ณ€๋™์€ ๊ทน์‹ฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ๋ถ€ ์‚ฌ๋ก€๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์šฐ๋Ÿ‰ ๊ธฐ์—…๋“ค์ด 50%์—์„œ 70%๊นŒ์ง€ ํ•˜๋ฝํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์• ์ดˆ์— ์„ ์ˆœ์œ„ ๋Œ€์ถœ(first lien)์— ํˆฌ์žํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์œ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๊ด€ํˆฌ์ž ์ชฝ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ฎ๊ฒจ๋ณด๋ฉด, ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ํ˜„์ƒ์ด ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์šด์šฉ์‚ฌ๋“ค ๊ฐ„์˜ ์„ฑ๊ณผ ๊ฒฉ์ฐจ๊ฐ€ ๋” ๋ฒŒ์–ด์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง ์˜ค๋žœ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ์‹œ์žฅ์ด ์‰ฌ์› ๊ณ , ์ง์ด ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ์‚ฌ๋ชจ์‹œ์žฅ, ํŠนํžˆ ์‚ฌ๋ชจํŽ€๋“œ์—์„œ ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์ง€๋‚œ 10๋…„๊ฐ„ ์‹œ์žฅ์˜ ๊ฑฐ์˜ 30%๋ฅผ ์ฐจ์ง€ํ•ด์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด๋Š” ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์‚ฌ์—…์ด์ง€๋งŒ, ์ด์ œ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ธฐ์—…๋“ค์ด 50%์—์„œ 70% ํ•˜๋ฝํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋ฉด์„œ ๋‹น์‹œ ๋งค์ž… ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์ด ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“ค์ง€ ์•Š์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฑด ์ƒ์žฅ ๊ธฐ์—…๋“ค ์–˜๊ธฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋ชจ์‹œ์žฅ์€ ๊ทธ๋งŒํผ, ์•„๋‹ˆ ๊ทธ ์ด์ƒ ํ•˜๋ฝํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฏฟ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์†Œ์ˆ˜์˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์šด์šฉ์‚ฌ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์—ญ์‚ฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋ž˜์™”๋˜ ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ์œ„์น˜์— ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณผ ์ ์€, ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋…ผ์˜์˜ ์ƒ๋‹น ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด ๋Œ€์ฒดํˆฌ์ž(alternatives) ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์— ์ง‘์ค‘๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ณด๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ํ–ฅํ›„ ์„ฑ์žฅ์˜ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด ๋Œ€์ฒดํˆฌ์ž ๋ถ€๋ฌธ ๋ฐ–์—์„œ ์ผ์–ด๋‚  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฑ„๊ถŒ ๋Œ€์ฒด ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์—์„œ์˜ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋“ค, PRIV๋กœ์˜ ์œ ์ž…, AAA๋กœ์˜ ์œ ์ž… ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ๊ธฐ๊ด€ํˆฌ์ž์ž๋“ค๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋‚˜์˜จ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ๊ธฐ๊ด€ํˆฌ์ž์ž ์‚ฌ์—…์˜ ๊ฐ€์†ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ๊ฐ•์กฐํ•˜๊ณ ์ž ํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‚ฌ์—… ์ „๋ฐ˜์— ๊ฑธ์นœ ์ฃผ์š” ํ…Œ๋งˆ๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 6๊ฐœ ์‹œ์žฅ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์„œ, ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ๋‹น์—ฐํžˆ ๊ธฐ๊ด€ํˆฌ์ž์ž ๋Œ€์ฒดํˆฌ์ž ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค ์‚ฌ์—…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„์˜จ ์ž์‚ฐ๊ด€๋ฆฌ(wealth) ์‚ฌ์—…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์˜์—ญ๋“ค์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณด๋ฉด, ๋ณดํ—˜์€ ๊ธฐ๊ด€ํˆฌ์ž์ž ์‚ฌ์—…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธฐ๊ด€๋“ค์˜ ์ฑ„๊ถŒ ๋ฐ ์ฃผ์‹ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋ฅผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณด๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋„ ๊ธฐ๊ด€ํˆฌ์ž์ž ์‚ฌ์—…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ์‚ฌ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์„œ๋น„์Šค ์ œ๊ณต๋„ ๊ธฐ๊ด€ํˆฌ์ž์ž ์‚ฌ์—…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 401(k)์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฐœ์ธํˆฌ์ž์ž๋“ค์ด ์„ ํƒ์„ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ๋„ ๊ธฐ๊ด€ํˆฌ์ž์ž ์‚ฌ์—…์ธ๋ฐ, ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ฃผ๋กœ ์ˆ˜ํƒ์ž(trustees)์™€ ์ปจ์„คํ„ดํŠธ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํ˜•ํƒœ์˜ ๊ฒŒ์ดํŠธํ‚คํผ(gatekeepers)๋“ค์— ์˜ํ•ด ๊ฒฐ์ •์ด ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง€๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ๋ชจ์ž์‚ฐ ์šด์šฉ์‚ฌ๋“ค์ด ์ด๋ฅผ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ด๋ฉด์„œ ๋Œ€ํ™”์˜ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์ด ๋ฐ”๋€” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž์‚ฐ๊ด€๋ฆฌ ์‚ฌ์—…์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์„ฑ์žฅํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹จ์ง€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋ˆˆ์— ์ž˜ ๋„๋Š” ์˜์—ญ์ผ ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‹œ์žฅ๋“ค๋„ ๋˜‘๊ฐ™์ด ํฐ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฝค ์˜ค๋žซ๋™์•ˆ ๊ฐ•์กฐํ•ด์˜จ ์ฃผ์ œ๋กœ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์ž๋ฉด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‚ฌ์—…์€ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ๋ณ„๋กœ ๋ณ€๋™์ด ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ถ๊ทน์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ž๋ณธ์— ์˜ํ•ด ์ œ์•ฝ๋ฐ›์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ๋ชจ์ž์‚ฐ(private assets)์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ˆ˜์š”๋Š” ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง„์งœ ์ œ์•ฝ ์š”์ธ์€ ๋งค์ˆ˜ํ•  ๊ฐ€์น˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž์‚ฐ์„ ๋ฐœ๊ตดํ•˜๋Š” ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด ๋ฐœ๊ตด ์ธก๋ฉด์„ ์ œ๋Œ€๋กœ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹จ์ˆœํžˆ ๊ทœ๋ชจ๋งŒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ง์ ‘ ๋ณด์œ ํ•  ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋œ ๋ฆฌ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฐœ๊ตดํ•˜๋Š” ์ฃผ์ธ์˜์‹(principal mindset)์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ํŒ๋งคํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ๊ทธ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์–ด๊นจ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ž€ํžˆ ํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋“ค์ด ์ข‹์•„ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐํ˜€์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
President & Director: I'd also add, I think there's -- I'm taking a step back here, but so much of the conversation in the last several weeks has been about a quick reset of prices in the public equity market and then the impact to non-investment-grade software lending, which has been particularly focused well by the nontraded BDCs. We put out a deck in December and all the conversation recently has been about the narrow sector, the $2 trillion to $3 trillion of private credit, and it's really not touching the $35 trillion to $40 trillion opportunity in investment-grade private credit. In the last 18 months, short duration IG vehicle, a strategy we really started 18 months ago, is up to over $7 billion in assets. And again, that's private investment grade across the board a variety of industries. And so it just seems like the headlines are focusing on the small pond. And there's no doubt there's going to be dispersion among various debt and equity managers who have pursued growth in technology in the last several years. Our Fund XI -- Fund X/XI are going to be big beneficiaries of the value versus growth mentality. But again, I really think taking a step back and really understanding how the big boulders are moving. This is a discussion when we talk about nontraded BDCs. That's about pebbles, what Marc is talking about, about boulders. It's much more thematic and it's truly what's driving our business over the next 5 to 10 years.**President & Director:** ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋ง๋ถ™์ด์ž๋ฉด, ํ•œ ๋ฐœ ๋ฌผ๋Ÿฌ์„œ์„œ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ง€๋‚œ ๋ช‡ ์ฃผ๊ฐ„์˜ ๋…ผ์˜๋Š” ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ๊ณต๊ฐœ ์ฃผ์‹์‹œ์žฅ์˜ ๊ธ‰๊ฒฉํ•œ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ ์กฐ์ •๊ณผ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋น„ํˆฌ์ž๋“ฑ๊ธ‰ ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด ๋Œ€์ถœ์— ๋ฏธ์น˜๋Š” ์˜ํ–ฅ์— ์ง‘์ค‘๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŠนํžˆ ๋น„์ƒ์žฅ BDC๋“ค์ด ์ด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์— ์ง‘์ค‘์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋…ธ์ถœ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์ฃ . ์ €ํฌ๋Š” 12์›”์— ์ž๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ๋ฐœํ‘œํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ตœ๊ทผ ๋ชจ๋“  ๋…ผ์˜๊ฐ€ 2์กฐ~3์กฐ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์˜ ํ”„๋ผ์ด๋น— ํฌ๋ ˆ๋”ง์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ข์€ ์„นํ„ฐ์—๋งŒ ์ง‘์ค‘๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๊ณ , ์ •์ž‘ 35์กฐ~40์กฐ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์˜ ํˆฌ์ž๋“ฑ๊ธ‰ ํ”„๋ผ์ด๋น— ํฌ๋ ˆ๋”ง ๊ธฐํšŒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋‹ค๋ฃจ์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€๋‚œ 18๊ฐœ์›” ๋™์•ˆ ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•œ ๋‹จ๊ธฐ ๋“€๋ ˆ์ด์…˜ ํˆฌ์ž๋“ฑ๊ธ‰ ์ƒํ’ˆ์€ ํ˜„์žฌ 70์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ด์ƒ์˜ ์ž์‚ฐ์„ ์šด์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์‚ฐ์—…์— ๊ฑธ์นœ ํ”„๋ผ์ด๋น— ํˆฌ์ž๋“ฑ๊ธ‰ ์ „๋ฐ˜์„ ์•„์šฐ๋ฅด๋Š” ์ „๋žต์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ—ค๋“œ๋ผ์ธ๋“ค์ด ์ž‘์€ ์—ฐ๋ชป์—๋งŒ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€๋‚œ ๋ช‡ ๋…„๊ฐ„ ์„ฑ์žฅ์ฃผ์™€ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ฃผ์— ํˆฌ์žํ•ด์˜จ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋ถ€์ฑ„ ๋ฐ ์ฃผ์‹ ์šด์šฉ์‚ฌ๋“ค ์‚ฌ์ด์— ์„ฑ๊ณผ ํŽธ์ฐจ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ ์€ ์˜์‹ฌ์˜ ์—ฌ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํŽ€๋“œ X์™€ XI์€ ๊ฐ€์น˜์ฃผ ๋Œ€ ์„ฑ์žฅ์ฃผ ํˆฌ์ž ์‹ฌ๋ฆฌ์—์„œ ํฐ ์ˆ˜ํ˜œ๋ฅผ ์ž…์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ํ•œ ๋ฐœ์ง ๋ฌผ๋Ÿฌ์„œ์„œ ํฐ ๋ฐ”์œ„๋“ค์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์›€์ง์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„์ƒ์žฅ BDC์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๋•Œ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ž๊ฐˆ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Marc๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฐ”์œ„์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ . ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์ฃผ์ œ์ ์ด๊ณ , ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ํ–ฅํ›„ 5๋…„์—์„œ 10๋…„๊ฐ„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ์ง„์ •์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋Œ์–ด๊ฐˆ ๋™๋ ฅ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question is coming from Patrick Davitt of Autonomous Research.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ Autonomous Research์˜ Patrick Davitt๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋“ค์–ด์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Patrick Davitt: Autonomous Research US LP I have another question on the total portfolio changes. And I agree that, that could be a big opportunity for alternatives and specifically Apollo. Big step last year with CalPERS announcing their shift. So curious to what extent you're hearing other large pensions planning to follow suit. And how quickly do you think we'll start to see meaningful reallocations of that capital around the new approach?**Patrick Davitt:**

์ „์ฒด ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค ๋ณ€ํ™”์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋” ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋Œ€์ฒดํˆฌ์ž, ํŠนํžˆ Apollo์—๊ฒŒ ํฐ ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์— ๋™์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž‘๋…„์— CalPERS๊ฐ€ ์ „๋žต ์ „ํ™˜์„ ๋ฐœํ‘œํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ํฐ ์ง„์ „์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋Œ€ํ˜• ์—ฐ๊ธฐ๊ธˆ๋“ค๋„ ์ด๋ฅผ ๋”ฐ๋ฅผ ๊ณ„ํš์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹ ์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ ‘๊ทผ๋ฐฉ์‹์— ๋”ฐ๋ฅธ ์˜๋ฏธ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž๋ณธ ์žฌ๋ฐฐ๋ถ„์ด ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋นจ๋ฆฌ ์‹œ์ž‘๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์‹œ๋Š”์ง€์š”?

President & Director: I would just say it's really important, when Marc laid out the 5 additional channels, the speed at which they all individually and collectively adopt is going to be start stop. The public institutional marketplace is not known to be a business where those who are in charge take historic institutional risk. And so it's going to be measured. It's going to be -- that's why we're focusing on all 6, not just one. But I'll give you one example, like the conversations that have been going on in the industry, and in particular with us, with our Apollo Sports Capital, those are areas where institutions are trying to figure out where the opportunities are, not in the narrow definitions of asset classes. What we've done on the insurance, Athene, sidecar ADIP, those are all areas where institutions have said, how can I make sure that the normal definitions of equity and fixed income traditionally are not going to limit my ability to perform? And I think whether it's family offices, whether it's institutional buyers, whether it's those the traditional asset managers, they're all trying to find areas outside the norms of the boundaries, and that's what's going to drive this over time. It's really about how to create better risk-adjusted returns and not being a prisoner to the barriers of adoption in terms of your mandate.**President & Director:** ๋งˆํฌ๊ฐ€ ์ œ์‹œํ•œ 5๊ฐœ์˜ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ์ฑ„๋„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ๊ฐ ์ฑ„๋„์ด ๊ฐœ๋ณ„์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ง‘๋‹จ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋„์ž…๋˜๋Š” ์†๋„๋Š” ๋“ค์ญ‰๋‚ ์ญ‰ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ณต๊ณต ๊ธฐ๊ด€ ์‹œ์žฅ์€ ์ฑ…์ž„์ž๋“ค์ด ์—ญ์‚ฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ํฐ ๊ธฐ๊ด€ ๋ฆฌ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์ˆ˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์•Œ๋ ค์ง„ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์‹ ์ค‘ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ง„ํ–‰๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋งŒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ 6๊ฐœ ๋ชจ๋‘์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์ž๋ฉด, ์—…๊ณ„์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํŠนํžˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ Apollo Sports Capital๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ง„ํ–‰๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋Œ€ํ™”๋“ค์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ๊ธฐ๊ด€๋“ค์ด ์ข์€ ์˜๋ฏธ์˜ ์ž์‚ฐ๊ตฐ(asset class) ์ •์˜๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ, ์–ด๋””์— ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ํŒŒ์•…ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์˜์—ญ๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ณดํ—˜, Athene, ์‚ฌ์ด๋“œ์นด ADIP ๋“ฑ์—์„œ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•ด์˜จ ์ž‘์—…๋“ค์€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ธฐ๊ด€ํˆฌ์ž์ž๋“ค์ด "์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ์ฃผ์‹๊ณผ ์ฑ„๊ถŒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ ์ •์˜์— ์ œ์•ฝ๋ฐ›์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ?"๋ผ๊ณ  ์งˆ๋ฌธํ–ˆ๋˜ ์˜์—ญ๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŒจ๋ฐ€๋ฆฌ ์˜คํ”ผ์Šค๋“ , ๊ธฐ๊ด€ ํˆฌ์ž์ž๋“ , ์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ์‚ฌ๋“  ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๊ธฐ์กด ๊ฒฝ๊ณ„ ๋ฐ–์˜ ์˜์—ญ์„ ์ฐพ์œผ๋ ค ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ์ด ์‹œ์žฅ์„ ๊ฒฌ์ธํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ํ•ต์‹ฌ์€ ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ์œ„ํ—˜์กฐ์ •์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ (risk-adjusted returns)์„ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ , ํˆฌ์ž ์ง€์นจ(mandate)์ƒ์˜ ์ œ์•ฝ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์žฅ๋ฒฝ์— ๊ฐ‡ํžˆ์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Marc Rowan: CEO & Chairman of the Board If anything is going to speed it up, Patrick, it will be volatility. Public market volatility is ultimately a significant imperative. We're seeing an accelerant to people's changing up mindset. Trustees and heads of plans who have watched assets grow, pretty consistently over a long period of time, get a little bit of shock when they see the kinds of volatility in their portfolio and in public markets, and they look for the same return or more return but with less risk.**Marc Rowan:** ๊ณต๊ฐœ ์‹œ์žฅ ๋ณ€๋™์„ฑ์ด ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ด‰๋งค์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ์‚ฌ๊ณ ๋ฐฉ์‹ ์ „ํ™˜์„ ๊ฐ€์†ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ์š”์ธ์ด ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋žœ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ๊พธ์ค€ํžˆ ์ž์‚ฐ์ด ์„ฑ์žฅํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ง€์ผœ๋ด ์˜จ ์ˆ˜ํƒ์ž๋“ค๊ณผ ์—ฐ๊ธˆ ์ฑ…์ž„์ž๋“ค์ด ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์™€ ๊ณต๊ฐœ ์‹œ์žฅ์—์„œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ณ€๋™์„ฑ์„ ๋ชฉ๊ฒฉํ•˜๋ฉด ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ์ถฉ๊ฒฉ์„ ๋ฐ›์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋™์ผํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋” ๋†’์€ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์„ ์›ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ฆฌ์Šคํฌ๋Š” ๋” ๋‚ฎ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question is coming from Bill Katz of TD Cowen.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ TD Cowen์˜ Bill Katz๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
William Katz: TD Cowen, Research Division I want to maybe tie some big picture, some of the boulders together to use Jim's analogy. I like that one. Could you talk a little bit about where you might be on the origination opportunity clearly running, what, 4 years ahead of schedule already? How that may influence the opportunity set in ACS? And then maybe how we should think about the margin profile as we look into '27 and '28 FRE margin profile.**William Katz:** TD ์ฝ”์›ฌ ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง์ด ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์‹  ๋น„์œ ๋ฅผ ๋นŒ๋ ค ํฐ ๊ทธ๋ฆผ์—์„œ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ํ•ต์‹ฌ ์š”์†Œ๋“ค์„ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•ด๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์€ ๋น„์œ ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋ฆฌ์ง€๋„ค์ด์…˜ ๊ธฐํšŒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์ด๋ฏธ ์˜ˆ์ •๋ณด๋‹ค 4๋…„์ด๋‚˜ ์•ž์„œ ์ง„ํ–‰๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์ด๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ACS์˜ ๊ธฐํšŒ์— ์–ด๋–ค ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  27๋…„๊ณผ 28๋…„์„ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณผ ๋•Œ FRE ๋งˆ์ง„ ํ”„๋กœํŒŒ์ผ์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ์ง€ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
President & Director: Great. So I think, Bill, the easiest way to answer that is if you look at the $305 billion last year, $245 billion was really North America, $40 billion Europe, $15 billion, $20 billion in Asia, we're taking this strategy global. And when you think about while we were just in Japan, when you think about the industrial renaissance in that part of the globe, Asia Pac, along with how we're focused on Europe. So the answer to your question, big picture, is we're going to take a very successful strategy of integrating origination to every aspect of our business. We're taking it global, and we're going to make sure that in Europe and Asia Pac, that the same tools, the same partnership, the same platforms are executing in that part of the globe. But we're really focused on quality as well as scale. We certainly have shown an ability to originate scale, but it's really growth with intention. And so I want to make sure that we're not overemphasizing the growth in this point. We have a ton of robust yield, robust spread, and that's what we're trying to do. So in my mind, it really is the globalization of the strategy. And it's also into these ecosystem activities like you see in Apollo Sports Capital, I would suspect to see a handful more of those ecosystem strategies where we can be completely relevant in terms of the cost of capital and the toolbox to the companies that are embedded in that ecosystem. And why it works so well for sports is very simple. It's one where the quality of cash flows are not a regular manner. They are regular cash flows. There's been a tremendous amount of growth in valuation. There's a limitation to the actual funding and lending in the area as so many have focused on the equity returns. And so we're just finding with a holistic toolbox, like we did for sponsors, there's a great deal of reception. So the answer is global. The answer is focusing on quality and as well as scale in these focused ecosystem strategies.**President & Director:** ๋„ค, ๋นŒ, ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์‰ฝ๊ฒŒ ์„ค๋ช…๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด ์ž‘๋…„ 3,050์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์‹œ๋ฉด ๋ถ๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ 2,450์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜€๊ณ , ์œ ๋Ÿฝ์ด 400์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ, ์•„์‹œ์•„๊ฐ€ 150์–ต์—์„œ 200์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ •๋„์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด ์ „๋žต์„ ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ๋กœ ํ™•๋Œ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ตœ๊ทผ ์ผ๋ณธ์— ๋‹ค๋…€์™”๋Š”๋ฐ, ์•„์‹œ์•„ ํƒœํ‰์–‘ ์ง€์—ญ์˜ ์‚ฐ์—… ๋ฅด๋„ค์ƒ์Šค์™€ ์œ ๋Ÿฝ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ง‘์ค‘๋„๋ฅผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณด์‹œ๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํฐ ๊ทธ๋ฆผ์œผ๋กœ ๋‹ต๋ณ€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์˜ค๋ฆฌ์ง€๋„ค์ด์…˜(origination)์„ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ธก๋ฉด์— ํ†ตํ•ฉํ•˜๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ์„ฑ๊ณต์ ์ธ ์ „๋žต์„ ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ๋กœ ํ™•์žฅํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์œ ๋Ÿฝ๊ณผ ์•„์‹œ์•„ ํƒœํ‰์–‘ ์ง€์—ญ์—์„œ๋„ ๋™์ผํ•œ ๋„๊ตฌ, ๋™์ผํ•œ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ์‹ญ, ๋™์ผํ•œ ํ”Œ๋žซํผ์ด ์‹คํ–‰๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๊ทœ๋ชจ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์งˆ์  ์ธก๋ฉด์—๋„ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทœ๋ชจ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž์‚ฐ ์กฐ๋‹ฌ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์™”์ง€๋งŒ, ์ด๋Š” ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•œ ์˜๋„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ์„ฑ์žฅ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด ์‹œ์ ์—์„œ ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ์ง€๋‚˜์น˜๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ•์กฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋„๋ก ์ฃผ์˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํžˆ ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํ•œ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ๊ณผ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋ฅผ ํ™•๋ณดํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ์ถ”๊ตฌํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ”์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ์ด๋Š” ์ „๋žต์˜ ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒํ™”๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ Apollo Sports Capital์—์„œ ๋ณด์‹œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ƒํƒœ๊ณ„ ํ™œ๋™์œผ๋กœ์˜ ํ™•์žฅ์ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ž์œผ๋กœ๋„ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ƒํƒœ๊ณ„ ์ „๋žต๋“ค์„ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋” ๋ณด์‹œ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•ด๋‹น ์ƒํƒœ๊ณ„์— ์†ํ•œ ๊ธฐ์—…๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ž๋ณธ ๋น„์šฉ๊ณผ ํˆด๋ฐ•์Šค ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ์ ํ•ฉํ•œ ์†”๋ฃจ์…˜์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ „๋žต๋“ค ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Šคํฌ์ธ  ๋ถ„์•ผ์—์„œ ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ํŠนํžˆ ์ž˜ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„๊ธˆํ๋ฆ„์˜ ์งˆ์ด ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ๋ฐฉ์‹๊ณผ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๊ธฐ์ ์ธ ํ˜„๊ธˆํ๋ฆ„์ด ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐธ๋ฅ˜์—์ด์…˜ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ์„ฑ์žฅ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ ์š”. ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ด ๋ถ„์•ผ์—์„œ ์ž๊ธˆ ์กฐ๋‹ฌ๊ณผ ๋Œ€์ถœ์—๋Š” ํ•œ๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งŽ์€ ์ด๋“ค์ด ์ฃผ์‹ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์—๋งŒ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•ด์™”๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์Šคํฐ์„œ๋“ค์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์ข…ํ•ฉ์ ์ธ ํˆด๋ฐ•์Šค๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์ ‘๊ทผํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐ˜์‘์„ ์–ป๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฒฐ๋ก ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ ‘๊ทผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ ์š”. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ง‘์ค‘๋œ ์ƒํƒœ๊ณ„ ์ „๋žต์—์„œ ํ€„๋ฆฌํ‹ฐ์™€ ๊ทœ๋ชจ ๋ชจ๋‘์— ์ดˆ์ ์„ ๋งž์ถ”๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Marc Rowan: CEO & Chairman of the Board I'm going to just take the liberty of maybe going off-piece a little bit. We've seen over the past month or so a number of acquisitions in our industry. And I want to just say that from our point of view, if you think about where our business is going, it's all about origination and having the product and then building the capabilities to serve 5 markets, that we've never served before as an industry. So all of the firms were built to serve the institutional alternative bucket, draw down funds, product-specific sales forces, relatively slow moving, fine with quarterly marks. These 5 markets are totally different. You're seeing some of the firms build out significant wealth strategies. But you have yet to see the rest of the industry build out to serve the other markets that are now available to us. And so when you think about what we're trying to do, we're trying to make sure that we don't grow too fast, that we can only grow as fast as we originate. Therefore, if we want to grow, we have to originate that scale in quality. At the same time, we understand that every time you buy something, it comes with people. And integration on a cultural basis is very difficult. And so unless something is exceptional, we just prefer to build it ourselves. Sports Capital is a really good example, not to say that there are not -- there's not value in acquisition if you need to. But the ability to put a team on the ground in an industry that is very valuable, growing very fast, that produces uneven cash flows, therefore, is not great industry to bank or for public markets. In addition to deploying the $6-or-so billion in the Sports Capital fund, I believe this ecosystem will generate $30 billion to $50 billion of origination opportunities. I think you are more likely to see us grow, as Jim said, globalizing what we have and then building organically the platforms that we need to, to penetrate industries that require specialized knowledge and deserve a specialized pool of capital. And so we often say the strategy here, let's look through the windshield, not through the rearview mirror. We have so much white space in front of us. It's up to us to now prepare the business, not just to hit the 5-year plan, but for what comes next.**Marc Rowan:** ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์ฃผ์ œ์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€๋‚œ ํ•œ ๋‹ฌ์—ฌ ๋™์•ˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์—…๊ณ„์—์„œ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ธ์ˆ˜ํ•ฉ๋ณ‘์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‚ฌ์—…์˜ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์„ฑ์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณด๋ฉด ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์˜ค๋ฆฌ์ง€๋„ค์ด์…˜(origination)๊ณผ ์ƒํ’ˆ ํ™•๋ณด, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—…๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ์ด์ „์— ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ๋„ ์„œ๋น„์Šคํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋˜ 5๊ฐœ ์‹œ์žฅ์„ ๊ณต๋žตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์—ญ๋Ÿ‰ ๊ตฌ์ถ•์ด ํ•ต์‹ฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ชจ๋“  ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋“ค์ด ๊ธฐ๊ด€ํˆฌ์ž์ž์˜ ๋Œ€์ฒดํˆฌ์ž ๋ถ€๋ฌธ, ์ฆ‰ ์ธ์ถœ์‹ ํŽ€๋“œ(draw down funds)๋ฅผ ์„œ๋น„์Šคํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ƒํ’ˆ๋ณ„ ์˜์—…์กฐ์ง์„ ๊ฐ–์ถ”๊ณ , ์ƒ๋Œ€์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋А๋ฆฌ๊ฒŒ ์›€์ง์ด๋ฉฐ, ๋ถ„๊ธฐ๋ณ„ ํ‰๊ฐ€์— ๋งŒ์กฑํ–ˆ์ฃ . ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด 5๊ฐœ ์‹œ์žฅ์€ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ๋ถ€ ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋“ค์ด ๋Œ€๊ทœ๋ชจ ์ž์‚ฐ๊ด€๋ฆฌ(wealth) ์ „๋žต์„ ๊ตฌ์ถ•ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์•„์ง ์—…๊ณ„์˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ธฐ์—…๋“ค์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์—ด๋ฆฐ ์‹œ์žฅ๋“ค์„ ๊ณต๋žตํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ธํ”„๋ผ๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์ถ•ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ณด์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณด๋ฉด, ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์„ฑ์žฅํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋„๋ก ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์˜ค์ง ์ž์ฒด ์กฐ๋‹ฌ(originate)ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋งŒํผ๋งŒ ์„ฑ์žฅํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์„ฑ์žฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๊ทธ ๊ทœ๋ชจ๋งŒํผ ์–‘์งˆ์˜ ์ž์‚ฐ์„ ์กฐ๋‹ฌํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋™์‹œ์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์ธ์ˆ˜ํ•  ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋”ธ๋ ค์˜จ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ž˜ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฌธํ™”์  ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ์˜ ํ†ตํ•ฉ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ •๋ง ์˜ˆ์™ธ์ ์ธ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๋ฉด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์ž์ฒด์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ตฌ์ถ•ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์„ ํ˜ธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Šคํฌ์ธ  ์บํ”ผํƒˆ์ด ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์€ ์˜ˆ์‹œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก  ํ•„์š”ํ•  ๋•Œ ์ธ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฐ€์น˜๊ฐ€ ์—†๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ง์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ€์น˜ ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์„ฑ์žฅํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฐ์—…์— ํŒ€์„ ๋ฐฐ์น˜ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์‚ฐ์—…์ด ๋ถˆ๊ทœ์น™ํ•œ ํ˜„๊ธˆํ๋ฆ„์„ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์€ํ–‰์ด๋‚˜ ๊ณต๊ฐœ์‹œ์žฅ์—๋Š” ์ ํ•ฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Šคํฌ์ธ  ์บํ”ผํ„ธ ํŽ€๋“œ์˜ ์•ฝ 60์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋ฐฐ์น˜ ์™ธ์—๋„, ์ด ์ƒํƒœ๊ณ„๊ฐ€ 300์–ต~500์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ๋”œ ์†Œ์‹ฑ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฏฟ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง์ด ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ณด์œ ํ•œ ์—ญ๋Ÿ‰์„ ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒํ™”ํ•˜๊ณ , ์ „๋ฌธ ์ง€์‹์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ „๋ฌธํ™”๋œ ์ž๋ณธ ํ’€์„ ํ•„์š”๋กœ ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฐ์—…์— ์ง„์ถœํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ํ”Œ๋žซํผ์„ ์œ ๊ธฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ตฌ์ถ•ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์„ฑ์žฅํ•˜๋Š” ๋ชจ์Šต์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์ด ๋” ๋†’์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐฑ๋ฏธ๋Ÿฌ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ ์•ž ์œ ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ž๊ณ ์š”. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•ž์—๋Š” ์ •๋ง ๋งŽ์€ ๋ฏธ๊ฐœ์ฒ™ ์˜์—ญ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•  ์ผ์€ 5๊ฐœ๋…„ ๊ณ„ํš์„ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ, ๊ทธ ์ดํ›„๋ฅผ ๋Œ€๋น„ํ•ด ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Partner & CFO: And Bill, let me address your tuck-in question on margins because it's important, obviously. So you should expect a FRE margin expansion over time. And we're always balancing, as you know, investing in new capabilities to build the platform with extracting efficiencies from the current business. So I would think something like 100 basis points annually as we go forward, that's sort of the guidepost that we set for ourselves, with the puts and takes netting into that.**Partner & CFO:** ๋นŒ, ๋งˆ์ง„์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋‹ต๋ณ€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”. FRE ๋งˆ์ง„(์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๋ฃŒ ๊ด€๋ จ ์ˆ˜์ต ๋งˆ์ง„)์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ง€๋‚˜๋ฉด์„œ ํ™•๋Œ€๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ํ”Œ๋žซํผ ๊ตฌ์ถ•์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์—ญ๋Ÿ‰์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํˆฌ์ž์™€ ํ˜„์žฌ ์‚ฌ์—…์—์„œ์˜ ํšจ์œจ์„ฑ ์ถ”์ถœ ์‚ฌ์ด์—์„œ ๊ท ํ˜•์„ ๋งž์ถ”๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ์•ฝ 100bp(๋ฒ ์ด์‹œ์Šค ํฌ์ธํŠธ) ์ •๋„๋ฅผ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ์„ค์ •ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ด๋“œ๋ผ์ธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ๊ธ์ •์  ์š”์ธ๊ณผ ๋ถ€์ •์  ์š”์ธ๋“ค์ด ์ƒ์‡„๋˜์–ด ๋ฐ˜์˜๋œ ์ˆ˜์น˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question is coming from Michael Cyprys of Morgan Stanley.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ๋ชจ๊ฑด์Šคํƒ ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋งˆ์ดํด ์‚ฌ์ดํ”„๋ฆฌ์Šค๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Michael Cyprys: Morgan Stanley, Research Division I wanted to ask about fundraising. You've had a very strong year in '25, about -- over $180 billion organic inflows. I think you mentioned you're targeting $150 billion on an annual basis. So just curious how you think about the outperformance this past year relative to that $150 billion guide. To what extent does that make sense? What might be areas where flows could be slower, I guess, if that does make sense? But then at the same time, it sounds like you're pretty confident in '26, maybe even being better, particularly in the Athene. So maybe you could speak to the confidence there, what you see contributing? And maybe you could elaborate on what's in the kitchen in terms of things that might be rolling out.**Michael Cyprys:** 2025๋…„์— ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ์‹ค์ ์„ ๊ฑฐ๋‘์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”, ์•ฝ 1,800์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ด์ƒ์˜ ์ˆœ์œ ์ž…(organic inflows)์„ ๊ธฐ๋กํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ๋ชฉํ‘œ์น˜๋กœ 1,500์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ์ œ์‹œํ•˜์‹  ๊ฑธ๋กœ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ง€๋‚œํ•ด ์ด 1,500์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค ๋Œ€๋น„ ์ดˆ๊ณผ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•œ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ณด์‹œ๋Š”์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒŒ ์–ด๋А ์ •๋„ ์˜๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฑด์ง€์š”? ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์–ด๋–ค ์˜์—ญ์—์„œ ์ž๊ธˆ ์œ ์ž…์ด ๋‘”ํ™”๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”? ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋™์‹œ์— 2026๋…„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์„ ๋ณด์ด์‹œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๊ณ , ํŠนํžˆ Athene ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์—์„œ ๋” ๋‚˜์•„์งˆ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋“ค๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์˜ ๊ทผ๊ฑฐ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€, ์–ด๋–ค ์š”์ธ๋“ค์ด ๊ธฐ์—ฌํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์‹œ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ˜„์žฌ ์ค€๋น„ ์ค‘์ธ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค, ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ์ถœ์‹œ๋  ์˜ˆ์ •์ธ ์ƒํ’ˆ์ด๋‚˜ ์ „๋žต๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋„ ์ข€ ๋” ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๋ฉด ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
President & Director: Yes. So Mike, I would say we feel like we have a tremendous wind to our back across the -- let's separate Athene and Apollo Asset Management for a moment. On the Apollo Asset Management side, Global Wealth prime for continued growth. And on the institutional business, we do have Fund XI in the marketplace. But also when you think about the product set of the asset-backed ecosystem, the hybrid ecosystem, Sports Capital and such, we believe that this year will be the strongest year on record for us in that area. So we're unambiguous about our ability to outshine on the Apollo Asset Management side. Again, on the Athene side, strong numbers across their 4 channels. We expect that to replicate it. So when you do -- when you add those 2 together, we're solidly north of $150 billion again for the Apollo and Athene side in collective shape. I would say we feel like we're actually grabbing our fair share in a variety of asset classes that we had not done before. When we think about our whole fixed income replacement product suite, things like the short-duration IG vehicle, core IG, the asset-backed area, amongst many, we're just seeing a variety of ability for us to pick up. And again, that's the conversation we want to be having with this group. As you talk about private capital and private credit, the natural tendency is to focus on the small noninvestment-grade $2 trillion pond. I urge all of you on this phone call, focus on the $40 trillion. That's the opportunity set. That's what's driving volume. That's what's driving profitability. That's what's driving scale. And so I know it's great headlines about the software bump in the road. But there will be dispersion, but there's a bigger, bigger picture and don't miss that.**President & Director:** ๋„ค, ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์•„ํ…Œ๋„ค(Athene)์™€ ์•„ํด๋กœ ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ(Apollo Asset Management)์„ ์ž ์‹œ ๋ถ„๋ฆฌํ•ด์„œ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ์ˆœํ’์„ ๋“ฑ์— ์—…๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋จผ์ € ์•„ํ๋กœ ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ ์›ฐ์Šค(Global Wealth) ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์ด ์ง€์†์ ์ธ ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ์ด์–ด๊ฐˆ ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธฐ๊ด€ํˆฌ์ž์ž ์‚ฌ์—…์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ํ˜„์žฌ ํŽ€๋“œ XI์„ ์‹œ์žฅ์— ๋‚ด๋†“๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ž์‚ฐ๋‹ด๋ณด ์ƒํƒœ๊ณ„(asset-backed ecosystem), ํ•˜์ด๋ธŒ๋ฆฌ๋“œ ์ƒํƒœ๊ณ„, ์Šคํฌ์ธ  ์บํ”ผํƒˆ(Sports Capital) ๋“ฑ์˜ ์ƒํ’ˆ ๋ผ์ธ์—…์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณด๋ฉด, ์˜ฌํ•ด๊ฐ€ ํ•ด๋‹น ๋ถ„์•ผ์—์„œ ์—ญ๋Œ€ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ํ•œ ํ•ด๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•„ํด๋กœ ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ํƒ์›”ํ•œ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•œ ํ™•์‹ ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋‹ค์‹œ ์•„ํ…Œ๋„ค ์ธก๋ฉด์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€๋ฉด, 4๊ฐœ ์ฑ„๋„ ์ „๋ฐ˜์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ์‹ค์ ์„ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์˜ฌํ•ด๋„ ์žฌํ˜„๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋ฅผ ํ•ฉ์น˜๋ฉด, ์•„ํด๋กœ์™€ ์•„ํ…Œ๋„ค ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ๋‹ค์‹œ 1,500์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์ƒํšŒํ•˜๋Š” ๊ทœ๋ชจ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ด์ „์—๋Š” ์ง„์ถœํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋˜ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ž์‚ฐ๊ตฐ์—์„œ ์ ์ ˆํ•œ ์‹œ์žฅ ์ ์œ ์œจ์„ ํ™•๋ณดํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „์ฒด ์ฑ„๊ถŒ ๋Œ€์ฒด ์ƒํ’ˆ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ๋‹จ๊ธฐ ํˆฌ์ž๋“ฑ๊ธ‰(IG) ์ƒํ’ˆ, ํ•ต์‹ฌ ํˆฌ์ž๋“ฑ๊ธ‰, ์ž์‚ฐ์œ ๋™ํ™”์ฆ๊ถŒ(ABS) ๋ถ„์•ผ ๋“ฑ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์˜์—ญ์—์„œ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ํฌ์ฐฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๊ณผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๋Œ€ํ™”์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ๋ชจ์ž๋ณธ๊ณผ ์‚ฌ๋ชจ์‹ ์šฉ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๋•Œ, ์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ 2์กฐ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์˜ ์†Œ๊ทœ๋ชจ ๋น„ํˆฌ์ž๋“ฑ๊ธ‰ ์‹œ์žฅ์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด ํ†ตํ™”์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•˜์‹  ๋ชจ๋“  ๋ถ„๋“ค๊ป˜ ๊ฐ•์กฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๊ฒƒ์€ 40์กฐ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์‹œ์žฅ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ง„์ •ํ•œ ๊ธฐํšŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋Ÿ‰์„ ๊ฒฌ์ธํ•˜๋Š” ์š”์ธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ˆ˜์ต์„ฑ์„ ๊ฒฌ์ธํ•˜๋Š” ์š”์ธ์ด๊ณ ์š”. ๊ทœ๋ชจ๋ฅผ ํ‚ค์šฐ๋Š” ์š”์ธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์˜ ์ผ์‹œ์  ์–ด๋ ค์›€์ด ์ข‹์€ ํ—ค๋“œ๋ผ์ธ ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ์ธ ๊ฑด ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ถ„๋ช… ํŽธ์ฐจ๋Š” ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋” ํฌ๊ณ  ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ทธ๋ฆผ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ๋†“์น˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question is coming from Ken Worthington of JPMorgan.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ JPMorgan์˜ Ken Worthington์œผ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ฐ›๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Kenneth Worthington: JPMorgan Chase & Co, Research Division As we think about performance fees for 2026, you highlighted in the deck that 2025 was light in part to sizable PE and hybrid activity that was prudently delayed. With market conditions better, can you help us think about your pipeline of deal activity should market conditions remain accommodative, and how you see this flowing through into carry and performance fees?**Kenneth Worthington:** 2026๋…„ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ณด์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณผ ๋•Œ, ๋ฐœํ‘œ์ž๋ฃŒ์—์„œ 2025๋…„์ด ์ €์กฐํ–ˆ๋˜ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ ์ธ ์ด์œ ๋กœ ๋Œ€๊ทœ๋ชจ PE ๋ฐ ํ•˜์ด๋ธŒ๋ฆฌ๋“œ ๋”œ ํ™œ๋™์ด ์‹ ์ค‘ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์—ฐ๊ธฐ๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๊ฐ•์กฐํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹œ์žฅ ์—ฌ๊ฑด์ด ๊ฐœ์„ ๋œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์—์„œ, ์‹œ์žฅ ์—ฌ๊ฑด์ด ์šฐํ˜ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์œ ์ง€๋  ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ๋”œ ํ™œ๋™ ํŒŒ์ดํ”„๋ผ์ธ์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š”์ง€, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์บ๋ฆฌ(carry)์™€ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ณด์ˆ˜๋กœ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ด์–ด์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์‹œ๋Š”์ง€ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
Partner & CFO: The most unpredictable part of the earnings stream, that's the multiple, Ken. I think we see the optimism in the marketplace, particularly with the bank community. Activity levels are high. There's different ways to exit assets going through a public process is one and private processes are more complicated. So I would say we are more cautiously optimistic as we sit here now about the year ahead. But it's difficult to predict. And so it's -- that's why we have anchored ourselves to a long-term guidepost around PII of $900 million. That remains our target. But it's not going to be a straight line clearly to get there.**Partner & CFO:** ์ˆ˜์ต ํ๋ฆ„์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์˜ˆ์ธกํ•˜๊ธฐ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๋ฐฐ์ˆ˜(multiple)์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹œ์žฅ, ํŠนํžˆ ์€ํ–‰๊ถŒ์—์„œ ๋‚™๊ด€๋ก ์ด ๋ณด์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ™œ๋™ ์ˆ˜์ค€๋„ ๋†’๊ณ ์š”. ์ž์‚ฐ์„ ๋งค๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•๋„ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ๋ฐ, ๊ณต๊ฐœ ํ”„๋กœ์„ธ์Šค๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด๊ณ  ๋น„๊ณต๊ฐœ ํ”„๋กœ์„ธ์Šค๋Š” ์ข€ ๋” ๋ณต์žกํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ˜„ ์‹œ์ ์—์„œ ์˜ฌํ•ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณผ ๋•Œ ์กฐ์‹ฌ์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ ๋‚™๊ด€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์˜ˆ์ธกํ•˜๊ธฐ๋Š” ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ PII 9์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ผ๋Š” ์žฅ๊ธฐ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ์ค€์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ผ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์ €ํฌ ๋ชฉํ‘œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค๋งŒ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ๋„๋‹ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณผ์ •์ด ์ง์„ ์œผ๋กœ ์ญ‰ ์ด์–ด์ง€์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ ์€ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Marc Rowan: CEO & Chairman of the Board I'd say this in the portfolio. Fund X, which is the most recent fund is already 0.3-plus DPI versus an industry that rounds to 0. At the end of the day, when you buy things at reasonable multiples, you can sell them at reasonable multiples. That's what we've seen, that's what we've experienced, that's what I continue to experience. We are not stuck with a portfolio of things that were purchased at very high prices that now have been reset in the market where they're going to go into perma hold. We're in the business of creating value and moving it out. If the market is accommodative, we're going to make it happen. If the market is not accommodative, we will, I believe, do better than everyone else.**Marc Rowan:** ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ตœ๊ทผ ํŽ€๋“œ์ธ ํŽ€๋“œ X๋Š” ์ด๋ฏธ 0.3 ์ด์ƒ์˜ DPI๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—…๊ณ„ ํ‰๊ท ์ด ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ƒ 0์— ๊ฐ€๊นŒ์šด ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋Œ€์กฐ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ํ•ฉ๋ฆฌ์ ์ธ ๋ฐธ๋ฅ˜์—์ด์…˜์œผ๋กœ ๋งค์ˆ˜ํ•˜๋ฉด ํ•ฉ๋ฆฌ์ ์ธ ๋ฐธ๋ฅ˜์—์ด์…˜์œผ๋กœ ๋งค๋„ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ชฉ๊ฒฉํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•ด์˜จ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์•ž์œผ๋กœ๋„ ๊ณ„์† ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๋†’์€ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์— ๋งค์ˆ˜ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์‹œ์žฅ์—์„œ ์žฌํ‰๊ฐ€๋˜์–ด ์˜๊ตฌ ๋ณด์œ  ์ƒํƒœ์— ๋น ์ง„ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฐ€์น˜๋ฅผ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹คํ˜„ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹œ์žฅ ์—ฌ๊ฑด์ด ์šฐํ˜ธ์ ์ด๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‹คํ–‰ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹œ์žฅ ์—ฌ๊ฑด์ด ์šฐํ˜ธ์ ์ด์ง€ ์•Š๋”๋ผ๋„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ด๋–ค ๊ณณ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋‚ผ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
President & Director: I would just add this. Our performance in '26 is not going to be market-dependent on the equity market or the equity capital markets.**President & Director:** 2026๋…„ ์‹ค์ ์€ ์ฃผ์‹์‹œ์žฅ์ด๋‚˜ ์ฃผ์‹ ์ž๋ณธ์‹œ์žฅ(equity capital markets)์— ์ขŒ์šฐ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question is coming from Ben Budish of Barclays.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ๋ฐ”ํด๋ ˆ์ด์ฆˆ์˜ Ben Budish๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋“ค์–ด์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Benjamin Budish: Barclays Bank PLC, Research Division I wanted to ask maybe a 2-parter on just some of the dynamics going on at Athene. I guess, first, in the pension risk transfer segment, it looks like there's been some positive momentum with a number of the cases out there. Any thoughts on your expected contribution from that channel in particular in '26? Or does it require a little bit more time? And then just curious your latest thoughts on competition in the retail side, it feels like 3 or 4 quarters ago, that was a bigger issue. It doesn't seem to have been bearing its head as much more recently. But similarly, high-level thoughts on the current state of competition in that channel.**Benjamin Budish:** ์•„ํ…Œ๋„ค์˜ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋™ํ–ฅ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋จผ์ € ์—ฐ๊ธˆ ๋ฆฌ์Šคํฌ ์ด์ „(pension risk transfer) ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์—์„œ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ฑด์˜ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ๋ชจ๋ฉ˜ํ…€์ด ๋ณด์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. 2026๋…„์— ์ด ์ฑ„๋„๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜์‹œ๋Š” ๊ธฐ์—ฌ๋„๋Š” ์–ด๋А ์ •๋„์ธ์ง€, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์ข€ ๋” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•œ์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฆฌํ…Œ์ผ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์˜ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ตœ๊ทผ ๊ฒฌํ•ด๋„ ์—ฌ์ญ™๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 3~4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์ „๋งŒ ํ•ด๋„ ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ํฐ ์ด์Šˆ์˜€๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ, ์ตœ๊ทผ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋งŒํผ ๋‘๋“œ๋Ÿฌ์ง€์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ ํ•ด๋‹น ์ฑ„๋„์˜ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ๋ถ€ํƒ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Marc Rowan: CEO & Chairman of the Board So the volume targets for '26 are not dependent on PRT picking back up. You're right, the legal situation around PRT is improving. However, this is all about spread. We do not underwrite the volume; we underwrite to profitability. If you underwrite to profitability, you get to keep doing business. So I think we have more than enough at-bats, lots of new initiatives, broad distribution. I believe the target we've set out, which is roughly $85 billion, will be the target that we deliver. Demand for retirement products is off the charts, but it has to be done at a margin that makes sense. In terms of competition, we continue to see interesting competition in some of what I would call the lower-quality broker channels, which are not as credit dependent. As I've warned on prior calls, the business is ultimately about earning spread. Spread is created by having an asset origination machine, by having a liability origination machine at a low cost and by having a low OpEx. Most of the companies competing in this industry, including the established players, with very few exceptions, do not have origination of appropriate assets. They do not have a low-cost liability factory, and they do not produce at an efficient level. The only way return can be achieved is by giving away asset management fees and by moving the business offshore to Cayman, to places like that, that do not require capital. This is not a recipe for success. Ultimately, I believe that will end badly, hopefully not badly for the industry. And I do not believe that many of these firms will hit escape velocity, because they will ultimately need to come back for more capital. Athene is a really tough competitor. And as Jim said, this is something we've worked on for the better part of 15 years with Athene to put it in the position it's in. I like our chances. Martin gave the guidance for '26, and we're working hard to achieve what we've said we're going to do.**Marc Rowan:** 26๋…„ ๋ฌผ๋Ÿ‰ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋Š” PRT ํšŒ๋ณต์— ์˜์กดํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๋Œ€๋กœ PRT ๊ด€๋ จ ๋ฒ•์  ์ƒํ™ฉ์€ ๊ฐœ์„ ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๊ฑด ์ „๋ถ€ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฌผ๋Ÿ‰์„ ์ธ์ˆ˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์ˆ˜์ต์„ฑ์„ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ์ธ์ˆ˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ˆ˜์ต์„ฑ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ์ธ์ˆ˜ํ•˜๋ฉด ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ์ง€์†ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•œ ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ณ , ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ด๋‹ˆ์…”ํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ๋„ ๋งŽ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์œ ํ†ต๋ง๋„ ๋„“์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ œ์‹œํ•œ ๋ชฉํ‘œ์ธ ์•ฝ 850์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์€ํ‡ด ์ƒํ’ˆ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ˆ˜์š”๋Š” ์—„์ฒญ๋‚˜์ง€๋งŒ, ํ•ฉ๋ฆฌ์ ์ธ ๋งˆ์ง„์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ ธ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ๋Š”, ์‹ ์šฉ๋„ ์˜์กด๋„๊ฐ€ ๋‚ฎ์€ ์ด๋ฅธ๋ฐ” ์ €ํ’ˆ์งˆ ๋ธŒ๋กœ์ปค ์ฑ„๋„์—์„œ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์ด ๊ณ„์† ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ „ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค์ฝœ์—์„œ๋„ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ ธ๋“ฏ์ด, ์ด ์‚ฌ์—…์€ ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋ฅผ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ํ™•๋ณดํ•˜๋А๋ƒ๊ฐ€ ํ•ต์‹ฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋Š” ์ž์‚ฐ ์กฐ๋‹ฌ ์—ญ๋Ÿ‰, ์ €๋น„์šฉ ๋ถ€์ฑ„ ์กฐ๋‹ฌ ์—ญ๋Ÿ‰, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚ฎ์€ ์šด์˜๋น„์šฉ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ์—…๊ณ„์—์„œ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋“ค, ๊ธฐ์กด ์‚ฌ์—…์ž๋“ค์„ ํฌํ•จํ•ด์„œ, ๊ทน์†Œ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์ œ์™ธํ•˜๊ณ ๋Š” ์ ์ ˆํ•œ ์ž์‚ฐ ์กฐ๋‹ฌ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋น„์šฉ ๋ถ€์ฑ„ ์กฐ๋‹ฌ ์ฒด๊ณ„๋„ ๊ฐ–์ถ”์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ๊ณ , ํšจ์œจ์ ์ธ ์ˆ˜์ค€์œผ๋กœ ์šด์˜ํ•˜์ง€๋„ ๋ชปํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋“ค์ด ์ˆ˜์ต์„ ๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์œ ์ผํ•œ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€ ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ ์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ํฌ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ , ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ์ผ€์ด๋งจ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ณณ์œผ๋กœ ์ด์ „ํ•ด์„œ ์ž๋ณธ ๊ทœ์ œ๋ฅผ ํ”ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฑด ์„ฑ๊ณต์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋กœ ์ด์–ด์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—…๊ณ„ ์ „์ฒด์— ๋‚˜์œ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž„ ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋“ค ๊ธฐ์—… ์ค‘ ์ƒ๋‹น์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ํƒˆ์ถœ ์†๋„์— ๋„๋‹ฌํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ์ž๋ณธ ์กฐ๋‹ฌ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Athene์€ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์ž์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Jim์ด ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” Athene์„ ํ˜„์žฌ์˜ ์œ„์น˜์— ์˜ฌ๋ ค๋†“๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๊ฑฐ์˜ 15๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•ด์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์„ ๋ฏฟ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Martin์ด 26๋…„ ๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค๋ฅผ ์ œ์‹œํ–ˆ๊ณ , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•ฝ์†ํ•œ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋ฅผ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์—ด์‹ฌํžˆ ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question is coming from Wilma Burdis of Raymond James.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ Raymond James์˜ Wilma Burdis๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋“ค์–ด์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Wilma Jackson Burdis: Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division Just following up a little bit on the last question. We did see a -- it looked like an improvement in PRT volume for the first time in 2 years. Maybe you could go into a little bit more detail there. And then as sort of a second part of this question, if you could talk a bit about the FAB environment and the lower flows there. And any drivers, whether it's credit spreads or anything else you're seeing in the market?**Wilma Jackson Burdis:** ๋ ˆ์ด๋จผ๋“œ ์ œ์ž„์Šค ์•ค ์–ด์†Œ์‹œ์—์ด์ธ , ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ์ „ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ์ด์–ด์„œ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ์—ฌ์ญค๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. PRT ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋Ÿ‰์ด 2๋…„ ๋งŒ์— ์ฒ˜์Œ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐœ์„ ๋œ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์ด๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. ์ด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ข€ ๋” ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์˜ ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์œผ๋กœ, FAB ํ™˜๊ฒฝ๊ณผ ๊ทธ์ชฝ ์œ ์ž… ์ž๊ธˆ ๊ฐ์†Œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์‹ ์šฉ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋“  ์‹œ์žฅ์—์„œ ๋ณด๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์š”์ธ์ด๋“ , ์–ด๋–ค ๋™์ธ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Marc Rowan: CEO & Chairman of the Board So again, this is a story of assets and of liabilities. On the asset side, it's all about the capacity to originate. As Jim suggested, this year was a very strong asset origination year, which led to the outperformance of the target. I expect based on what we've seen thus far, '26 to be an equally strong asset origination year, augmented or I should say, protected by the ARI transaction, which will give us some initial excess flow early in the year. On the liability side, having multiple channels is a godsend. There are places sometimes you don't want to do business. I personally don't think we've missed much in PRT over the past year. Not only have there been fewer transactions, but the spreads on those transactions, when one ultimately shines a light on them are poor. Winning business is not about volume. Winning business is about capturing profitability. At every point, we're offered the opportunity to do something that's expedient versus something that will build the book of business over the long term. Having a principal's mindset is a very, very healthy way to run the business.**Marc Rowan:** ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ž์‚ฐ๊ณผ ๋ถ€์ฑ„์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž์‚ฐ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ๋Š” ์˜ค๋ฆฌ์ง€๋„ค์ด์…˜(origination) ์—ญ๋Ÿ‰์ด ์ „๋ถ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง์ด ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด, ์˜ฌํ•ด๋Š” ์ž์‚ฐ ์˜ค๋ฆฌ์ง€๋„ค์ด์…˜์ด ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ํ•œ ํ•ด์˜€๊ณ , ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ชฉํ‘œ ์ดˆ๊ณผ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑ์œผ๋กœ ์ด์–ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋ณธ ๋ฐ”์— ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๋ฉด, 26๋…„๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€๋กœ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ์ž์‚ฐ ์˜ค๋ฆฌ์ง€๋„ค์ด์…˜์˜ ํ•ด๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ARI ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๊ฐ€ ๋”ํ•ด์ง€๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ๋Š” ๋ณดํ˜ธํ•ด์ค„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋Š” ์—ฐ์ดˆ์— ์ดˆ๊ธฐ ์ดˆ๊ณผ ํ˜„๊ธˆํ๋ฆ„์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ถ€์ฑ„ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ๋Š” ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ฑ„๋„์„ ๋ณด์œ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ง ํฐ ์ถ•๋ณต์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์˜์—ญ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ง€๋‚œ 1๋…„๊ฐ„ PRT์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋†“์นœ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ณ„๋กœ ์—†๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜ ๊ฑด์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์ค„์–ด๋“ค์—ˆ์„ ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ, ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋“ค์—ฌ๋‹ค๋ณด๋ฉด ๊ทธ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋“ค์˜ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ(spread)๋„ ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค์—์„œ ์ด๊ธฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋Ÿ‰์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ˆ˜์ต์„ฑ์„ ํ™•๋ณดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ•ต์‹ฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งค ์ˆœ๊ฐ„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹น์žฅ ํŽธํ•œ ์ผ์„ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์žฅ๊ธฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์—… ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์ถ•ํ•  ์ผ์„ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€ ์„ ํƒ์˜ ๊ธฐ๋กœ์— ์„œ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฃผ์ธ์˜์‹์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ์šด์˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์•ผ๋ง๋กœ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฑด๊ฐ•ํ•œ ๋ฐฉ์‹์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question is coming from John Barnidge of Piper Sandler.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ Piper Sandler์˜ John Barnidge๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
John Barnidge: Piper Sandler & Co., Research Division My question is focused on being on the offense. If we can go back to software, digging into that a little bit more could be interesting. Maybe is it private equity, credit, both? And kind of what areas of software do you find appealing?**John Barnidge:** ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์ ์ธ ์ „๋žต์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด์‹œ๊ตฐ์š”. ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์œผ๋กœ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์„œ ์ข€ ๋” ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด๋ฉด ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ๋ชจํŽ€๋“œ(private equity) ์ชฝ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”, ํฌ๋ ˆ๋”ง(credit) ์ชฝ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค์ธ๊ฐ€์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด์˜ ์–ด๋–ค ์˜์—ญ์ด ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ณด์‹œ๋Š”์ง€์š”?
President & Director: Yes. I'm just going to answer that generically. We've historically -- if you go back in our 35 years, whenever there's an over-allocation of capital, we tend to be defensive. And whenever there is a withdrawal of capital, we tend to be on our front foot. If you look at the brief pricing that's happened very, very quickly in the equity market, the valuations are certainly lower, but they're not cheap. They're still very, very high from an earnings multiple and such. But many companies had plans to either grow because of organic cash generation or equity origination, and those companies may not be able to do so. So there's no doubt that our screen of opportunities from the world of equity, particularly from the world of hybrid and, in some degrees, in the world of credit, we are as busy as we've ever been because there will be a dispersion of returns. Some business models will continue to thrive. Some will be more challenged. But what Marc talked about earlier, I'm just going to remind folks on this call, you had companies in this sector that were priced or purchased or valued at 15x revenue several years ago, maybe even 20x revenue, and now they're trading at 12 to 16x earnings. And so there's a very large difference in that valuation gap. It doesn't say they're not good companies, but the growth trajectory and the capital availability of them to acquire capital to grow has changed. So yes, there's no doubt that we're going to be much more on the offense, but there's nothing that's going to happen tomorrow that we're going to announce. This is just more of a dispersion over time and plays into how we want to be a real partner, whether it's a sponsor community or the corporate community as they need capital.**President & Director:** ๋„ค, ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์—ญ์‚ฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ - 35๋…„์˜ ์—ญ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ๋Œ์ด์ผœ๋ณด๋ฉด - ์ž๋ณธ์ด ๊ณผ๋„ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฐฐ๋ถ„๋  ๋•Œ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์–ด์ ์ธ ์ž์„ธ๋ฅผ ์ทจํ•ด์™”๊ณ , ์ž๋ณธ์ด ํšŒ์ˆ˜๋  ๋•Œ๋Š” ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜์„œ๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฃผ์‹์‹œ์žฅ์—์„œ ๋งค์šฐ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์ง„ํ–‰๋œ ์ตœ๊ทผ์˜ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ ์กฐ์ •์„ ๋ณด์‹œ๋ฉด, ๋ฐธ๋ฅ˜์—์ด์…˜(valuation)์ด ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋‚ฎ์•„์ง€๊ธด ํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋ ดํ•œ ์ˆ˜์ค€์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฃผ๊ฐ€์ˆ˜์ต๋น„์œจ(earnings multiple) ๋“ฑ์œผ๋กœ ๋ดค์„ ๋•Œ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๋งค์šฐ ๋†’์€ ์ˆ˜์ค€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ธฐ์—…๋“ค์ด ์ž์ฒด ํ˜„๊ธˆ ์ฐฝ์ถœ์ด๋‚˜ ์ฃผ์‹ ๋ฐœํ–‰์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์„ฑ์žฅํ•  ๊ณ„ํš์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ด์ œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ณ„ํš์„ ์‹คํ–‰ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜์‹ฌ์˜ ์—ฌ์ง€ ์—†์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ํˆฌ์ž ๊ธฐํšŒ ์Šคํฌ๋ฆฌ๋‹์€ ์ฃผ์‹ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ, ํŠนํžˆ ํ•˜์ด๋ธŒ๋ฆฌ๋“œ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์–ด๋А ์ •๋„๋Š” ํฌ๋ ˆ๋”ง ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์—์„œ ๊ทธ ์–ด๋А ๋•Œ๋ณด๋‹ค ํ™œ๋ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์˜ ๋ถ„์‚ฐ์ด ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ๋ถ€ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค ๋ชจ๋ธ์€ ๊ณ„์† ๋ฒˆ์ฐฝํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ , ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ๋” ์–ด๋ ค์›€์„ ๊ฒช์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ Marc์ด ์•ž์„œ ๋งํ•œ ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ์ƒ๊ธฐ์‹œ์ผœ ๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ์ด ์„นํ„ฐ์˜ ๊ธฐ์—…๋“ค์€ ๋ช‡ ๋…„ ์ „๋งŒ ํ•ด๋„ ๋งค์ถœ์˜ 15๋ฐฐ, ์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด 20๋ฐฐ์— ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์ด ์ฑ…์ •๋˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ธ์ˆ˜๋˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํ‰๊ฐ€๋ฐ›์•˜๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์ด์ต์˜ 12๋ฐฐ์—์„œ 16๋ฐฐ ์ˆ˜์ค€์—์„œ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ๋ฐธ๋ฅ˜์—์ด์…˜ ๊ฒฉ์ฐจ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ํฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์€ ๊ธฐ์—…์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๋Š” ์˜๋ฏธ๋Š” ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์„ฑ์žฅ ๊ถค๋„์™€ ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ž๋ณธ ์กฐ๋‹ฌ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์ด ๋ณ€ํ™”ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„ค, ์˜์‹ฌ์˜ ์—ฌ์ง€์—†์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜๊ฐˆ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค๋งŒ ๋‚ด์ผ ๋‹น์žฅ ๋ฐœํ‘œํ•  ๋งŒํ•œ ์‚ฌํ•ญ์€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋‘๊ณ  ์ ์ง„์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ง„ํ–‰๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์Šคํฐ์„œ ์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆํ‹ฐ๋“  ๊ธฐ์—… ์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆํ‹ฐ๋“  ์ž๋ณธ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๊ณณ์— ์ง„์ •ํ•œ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๊ณ ์ž ํ•˜๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ „๋žต๊ณผ ๋งž๋‹ฟ์•„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question is coming from Brennan Hawken of BMO Capital Markets.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ BMO ์บํ”ผํƒˆ ๋งˆ์ผ“์˜ ๋ธŒ๋ ˆ๋„Œ ํ˜ธ์ผ„์œผ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋“ค์–ด์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Brennan Hawken: BMO Capital Markets Equity Research I just had a couple on spread within SRE. I want to follow-up from Mike's question. So you spoke to the 50 to 75 basis points greater spread versus new issue. But how should we think about that on the net spread as you reported? I totally appreciate that it fits into the 10% total expectation for the year. And also maybe a bit more broadly, how should we think about the cost of fund side? It sounds like there's a great deal of optimism on the origination and the asset side. Cost of funds though has steadily gone up. We hear about competition in some of those markets. And so is the expectation that the cost of funds increases will stop? Or is it more around the ability to outpace it on the asset side?**Brennan Hawken:** Mike์˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ์ด์–ด์„œ SRE ๋‚ด ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์—ฌ์ญ™๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹ ๊ทœ ๋ฐœํ–‰ ๋Œ€๋น„ 50~75bp ๋” ๋†’์€ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๋ณด๊ณ ํ•˜์‹  ์ˆœ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ(net spread) ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ดํ•ดํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”? ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ์ด 10% ๋ชฉํ‘œ์น˜์— ๋ถ€ํ•ฉํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์€ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํžˆ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ข€ ๋” ํญ๋„“๊ฒŒ ์ž๊ธˆ์กฐ๋‹ฌ ๋น„์šฉ(cost of funds) ์ธก๋ฉด์€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”? ์ž์‚ฐ ์ธก๋ฉด๊ณผ ๋Œ€์ถœ ์‹คํ–‰์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ๋‚™๊ด€์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋“ค๋ฆฌ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ž๊ธˆ์กฐ๋‹ฌ ๋น„์šฉ์€ ๊พธ์ค€ํžˆ ์ƒ์Šนํ•ด์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ๋ถ€ ์‹œ์žฅ์—์„œ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์ด ์‹ฌํ™”๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์–˜๊ธฐ๋„ ๋“ค๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ž๊ธˆ์กฐ๋‹ฌ ๋น„์šฉ ์ฆ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ๋ฉˆ์ถœ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜์‹œ๋Š” ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”? ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์ž์‚ฐ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ์ด๋ฅผ ์•ž์ง€๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋” ๋ฐฉ์ ์„ ๋‘์‹œ๋Š” ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”?
Marc Rowan: CEO & Chairman of the Board So it's Marc. I'll give you a business side and then Martin will dig in a little bit. Cost of funds is ultimately a function of bond yields. Historically, it's moved around the BBB corporate spread. Having said that, in individual channels and individual times and individual quarters, it tightens or loosens. We run a business that is competitive in the marketplace with the highest-quality companies and liability side spread in mainstream markets are market-determined. Most of the new entrants who are paying significant premiums for their cost -- in their cost of funds, and you can see this in any industry publication are in the broker channel. And so it will not surprise you that as a percentage of our business, we do less in the broker channel. At the end of the day, the ability to have a low OpEx and higher-than-average asset spread allow us to win a fair share of business that we want to win, and we want to win it in a mix. We want some long-dated business, some short-dated business, some policyholder dependent business, behavior dependent business, some nonpolicy-holder dependent business. And ultimately, as I suggested, this iteration of the business of the retirement is a fascinating business. Retirement products are in amazing demand. Having said that, the next leg of this business is not the product set that exists today. It is creating the product set that serves the needs of retirees that is simpler, easier to deliver and that relies more heavily on the things we do well, OpEx and the origination of spread, building out unique or less traffic liability channels is something that we're focused on that will be important not just over the next 5 years, but for the 5 years after that.**Marc Rowan:** ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ๋จผ์ € ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ์ž๊ธˆ์กฐ๋‹ฌ๋น„์šฉ(cost of funds)์€ ๊ถ๊ทน์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ฑ„๊ถŒ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์˜ ํ•จ์ˆ˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ญ์‚ฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ BBB ๋“ฑ๊ธ‰ ํšŒ์‚ฌ์ฑ„ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋ฅผ ์ค‘์‹ฌ์œผ๋กœ ์›€์ง์—ฌ ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค๋งŒ ๊ฐœ๋ณ„ ์ฑ„๋„, ์‹œ๊ธฐ, ๋ถ„๊ธฐ๋ณ„๋กœ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ์ถ•์†Œ๋˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํ™•๋Œ€๋˜๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ตœ๊ณ  ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ๊ธฐ์—…๋“ค๊ณผ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ์šด์˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ฃผ๋ฅ˜ ์‹œ์žฅ์—์„œ ๋ถ€์ฑ„ ์ธก๋ฉด์˜ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋Š” ์‹œ์žฅ์— ์˜ํ•ด ๊ฒฐ์ •๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž๊ธˆ์กฐ๋‹ฌ๋น„์šฉ์—์„œ ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์—„์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์‹ ๊ทœ ์ง„์ž…์—…์ฒด๋“ค์€ - ์ด๋Š” ์—…๊ณ„ ๊ฐ„ํ–‰๋ฌผ ์–ด๋””์—์„œ๋‚˜ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ - ๋ธŒ๋กœ์ปค ์ฑ„๋„์— ์ง‘์ค‘๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ €ํฌ ์‚ฌ์—…์—์„œ ๋ธŒ๋กœ์ปค ์ฑ„๋„์ด ์ฐจ์ง€ํ•˜๋Š” ๋น„์ค‘์ด ์ƒ๋Œ€์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‚ฎ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์€ ๋†€๋ผ์šด ์ผ์ด ์•„๋‹ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๋งˆํ‹ด์ด ์ข€ ๋” ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ๋‚ฎ์€ ์šด์˜๋น„์šฉ(OpEx)๊ณผ ํ‰๊ท  ์ด์ƒ์˜ ์ž์‚ฐ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋ฅผ ํ™•๋ณดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ ๋•๋ถ„์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ์—…์—์„œ ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ์ ์œ ์œจ์„ ํ™•๋ณดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด๋ฅผ ์ ์ ˆํ•œ ๋ฏน์Šค๋กœ ๊ฐ€์ ธ๊ฐ€๊ณ ์ž ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์žฅ๊ธฐ ๋งŒ๊ธฐ ์‚ฌ์—…๋„ ์ผ๋ถ€, ๋‹จ๊ธฐ ๋งŒ๊ธฐ ์‚ฌ์—…๋„ ์ผ๋ถ€, ๋ณดํ—˜๊ณ„์•ฝ์ž ํ–‰๋™์— ์˜์กดํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ์—…๋„ ์ผ๋ถ€, ๋ณดํ—˜๊ณ„์•ฝ์ž ํ–‰๋™๊ณผ ๋ฌด๊ด€ํ•œ ์‚ฌ์—…๋„ ์ผ๋ถ€ ํ™•๋ณดํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ ธ๋“ฏ์ด, ํ˜„์žฌ์˜ ์€ํ‡ด ์‚ฌ์—…์€ ์ •๋ง ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ์—…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์€ํ‡ด ์ƒํ’ˆ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ˆ˜์š”๋Š” ๋†€๋ผ์šธ ์ •๋„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค๋งŒ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ์ด ์‚ฌ์—…์˜ ๋‹ค์Œ ์„ฑ์žฅ ๋‹จ๊ณ„๋Š” ํ˜„์žฌ ์กด์žฌํ•˜๋Š” ์ƒํ’ˆ ๊ตฌ์„ฑ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง€์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์€ํ‡ด์ž๋“ค์˜ ๋‹ˆ์ฆˆ๋ฅผ ์ถฉ์กฑ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ์ƒํ’ˆ ์„ธํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ•ต์‹ฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋” ๋‹จ์ˆœํ•˜๊ณ , ์ „๋‹ฌํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‰ฌ์šฐ๋ฉฐ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ž˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋“ค, ์ฆ‰ ์šด์˜๋น„์šฉ(OpEx) ๊ด€๋ฆฌ์™€ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ์ฐฝ์ถœ์— ๋” ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋…ํŠนํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์ด ๋œํ•œ ๋ถ€์ฑ„ ์ฑ„๋„์„ ๊ตฌ์ถ•ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ฃผ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Š” ํ–ฅํ›„ 5๋…„๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ๊ทธ ์ดํ›„ 5๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ๋„ ์ค‘์š”ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Partner & CFO: On the spread question, Brennan, we operate the business on a net spread basis. So the cost of where we write liabilities and the associated cost of funds is connected to where we can invest against that. And we create a net spread, which after costs and on a return on equity basis gets to a mid-teens return. So in terms of guidance, we were quite specific at the November Day on where we expect the spread to come out, assuming alts are at 11%, and that was 120 to 125 basis points. That's what we printed for Q4, at 124 basis points. And given the comments that we've made about ARI earlier on the call, I would assume that the same holds true for the year. So in the 120 to 125 ZIP code on a reported net spread basis and where we write the business and where we can invest against it.**Partner & CFO:** ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ˆœ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ(net spread) ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ์šด์˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ถ€์ฑ„๋ฅผ ๋ฐœํ–‰ํ•˜๋Š” ๋น„์šฉ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ ์ž๊ธˆ์กฐ๋‹ฌ ๋น„์šฉ์€ ๊ทธ์— ๋Œ€์‘ํ•˜์—ฌ ํˆฌ์žํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ๊ณผ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ˆœ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋ฅผ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ด๋Š” ๋น„์šฉ ์ฐจ๊ฐ ํ›„ ์ž๊ธฐ์ž๋ณธ์ด์ต๋ฅ (ROE) ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ 10%๋Œ€ ์ค‘๋ฐ˜์˜ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์„ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ๋ณด๋ฉด, 11์›” ํˆฌ์ž์ž์˜ ๋‚ ์— ๋Œ€์ฒดํˆฌ์ž ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์ด 11%๋ผ๊ณ  ๊ฐ€์ •ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋””์—์„œ ๋‚˜์˜ฌ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ œ์‹œํ–ˆ์—ˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด 120~125bp์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ 124bp๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ฝœ์—์„œ ์•ž์„œ ARI์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฐ ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•˜๋ฉด, ์˜ฌํ•ด๋„ ๋™์ผํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ ์šฉ๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋ณด๊ณ  ๊ธฐ์ค€ ์ˆœ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋กœ 120~125bp ๋ฒ”์œ„์—์„œ, ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ์˜์œ„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณณ๊ณผ ๊ทธ์— ๋Œ€์‘ํ•˜์—ฌ ํˆฌ์žํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณณ์„ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question is coming from Brian Bedell of Deutsche Bank.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ๋„์ด์ฒด๋ฐฉํฌ์˜ ๋ธŒ๋ผ์ด์–ธ ๋ฒ ๋ธ ์• ๋„๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ๊ป˜์„œ ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Brian Bedell: Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division Maybe just shifting to the 401(k) market, Marc, if you could just talk about what kind of progress you're seeing in the DOL and for plan sponsors in terms of their appetite to adopt alternative products. And then if you can add in your strategy with collaboration with different managers. You had the Schroders announcement this morning, obviously, Lord Abbett and State Street as well. Should we expect more of these types of announcements? Or do you view yourself as sort of an open architecture collaborator, if you will? Or do you feel like you've got the partners you need for the future game plan here?**Brian Bedell:** 401(k) ์‹œ์žฅ์œผ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€์„œ, ๋…ธ๋™๋ถ€(DOL) ๊ด€๋ จ ์ง„์ „ ์ƒํ™ฉ๊ณผ ํ”Œ๋žœ ์Šคํฐ์„œ๋“ค์˜ ๋Œ€์ฒด์ƒํ’ˆ ๋„์ž… ์˜ํ–ฅ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์šด์šฉ์‚ฌ๋“ค๊ณผ์˜ ํ˜‘๋ ฅ ์ „๋žต์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋„ ๋ง๋ถ™์—ฌ ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์•„์นจ ์Šˆ๋กœ๋”์Šค ๋ฐœํ‘œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ , ๋กœ๋“œ ์• ๋ฒ—๊ณผ ์Šคํ…Œ์ดํŠธ ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฆฌํŠธ์™€์˜ ํ˜‘๋ ฅ๋„ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์œ ํ˜•์˜ ๋ฐœํ‘œ๊ฐ€ ๋” ๋‚˜์˜ฌ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”? ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉํ˜• ์•„ํ‚คํ…์ฒ˜ ํ˜‘๋ ฅ์ž๋กœ ๋ณด์‹œ๋Š” ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”? ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ํ–ฅํ›„ ๊ณ„ํš์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๋Š” ์ด๋ฏธ ํ™•๋ณดํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ณด์‹œ๋Š”์ง€์š”?
Marc Rowan: CEO & Chairman of the Board So let me work backwards in this. We are open architecture, and we are a product supplier to numerous traditional asset managers, particularly through our ACS business. That is one level of collaboration with traditional asset managers. The next level of collaboration is the creation of a partnership and the serving of joint -- the creation of joint product. I think you're starting to see that in a couple of partners you've mentioned. I think we're going to continue to see that blossom. Having said that, we're all learning right now. And what has to happen in the business is we, as an industry, we need to adapt our business to the ways traditional asset managers work. Moving your business to daily NAV is a big deal for our industry. We are in the process of moving, as I suggested on our last call, particularly our high-grade credit business to daily NAV. That is an unlock, providing liquidity in markets, which many in our industry have spoken against, is an unlock for traditional asset managers. And so I expect, and I've said this previously, I think traditional asset managers done well could be the single largest opportunity. I expect them to be among the largest buyers. Some of that will be in the existing mutual fund complexes and ETF complexes. Some of that will be through new products. And some of that will be through 401(k). On the 401(k) specifically, the big volumes in 401(k), in my opinion, are not going to come until there is a rule making or at least guidance that will give more clarity to the executive order that has come down. Having said that, Jim and I are the recipients of numerous call reports. If I had to give you my e-mail inbox, the amount of activity taking place in D.C. in all its quadrants is just off the charts. Every conference, every industry get-together is literally just overwhelmed with the discussion of private assets, and for very good reasons. The addition of private assets to a portfolio, given the length of time these employees will be in these plans, are 50% to 100% better outcomes. And the other interesting piece of this is not so much focused on in the executive order, is the opening of 401(k) to guaranteed income, particularly guaranteed lifetime income. We moved as a world for something that was really good for employees. We've moved from defined benefit. Employees loved it, guaranteed lifetime income. Companies hated it. We then moved to a world of defined contribution, where all of the risk was essentially on the employee and not on the company, been great for companies, but not so good for employees. Most employees have not made a proactive investment decision within their 401(k) ever. They are guided by the alternatives provided by the trustees of that plan. I believe the world we're heading to is a more of a hybrid world, to use a term that we use a lot around here, where we will end up with something that looks more closely to defined benefit, but will not be provided by the employers. It will be provided by the marketplace. Right now, we're in the baby step space where every day we're making progress. It will be north of $1 billion this year. It might have even been, I don't have the number in front of me, north of $1 billion last year. But I can see it taking shape. And just like the comments around traditional asset managers, these people need to be not just daily NAV, they need to be daily liquid. The ability to do this, the ability to create the structures, the ability for our [ industry ], not just for us, to adapt our product set to serve these markets, in addition to the rule making or guidance, is going to be what unlocks this opportunity. But you can hear from what we're doing and from the comments around margin, we've gone from a business with 1 market to 6 markets. The problem is where the opportunity is, 5 of those markets require different product set, different delivery mechanisms and different surroundings in terms of daily NAV and liquidity. And how fast our industry and our firm pivots to that is going to be how fast we're able to grow, along with Jim's comments around origination at scale, but with quality. At the end of the day, the thing that is not changing here, we come at this business with a principal's mindset. Whether you are an institutional client, a retail client, a 401(k) client, an insurance company client, you are side-by-side with us. We're eating our own cooking. It keeps us really focused on the quality of what we do. There is no amount of fee that we can make from an asset that will overcome a bad principal decision. We reinforce that every day. It's why we're going to be on offense in software. It's why we have the opportunity set we have today. I couldn't be more enthusiastic.**Marc Rowan:** ๊ฑฐ๊พธ๋กœ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉํ˜• ์•„ํ‚คํ…์ฒ˜(open architecture)๋ฅผ ์ฑ„ํƒํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ํŠนํžˆ ACS ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ๋‹ค์ˆ˜์˜ ์ „ํ†ต์  ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ์‚ฌ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ƒํ’ˆ์„ ๊ณต๊ธ‰ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ „ํ†ต์  ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ์‚ฌ๋“ค๊ณผ์˜ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ํ˜‘๋ ฅ ๋‹จ๊ณ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค์Œ ๋‹จ๊ณ„๋Š” ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ์‹ญ์„ ๊ตฌ์ถ•ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ณต๋™ ์ƒํ’ˆ์„ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœํ•˜์—ฌ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์„œ๋น„์Šค๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๋ช‡๋ช‡ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ์‚ฌ๋“ค์—์„œ ์ด๋ฏธ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋ชจ์Šต๋“ค์ด ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ž์œผ๋กœ๋„ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ํ˜‘๋ ฅ์ด ๊ณ„์† ํ™•๋Œ€๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋‹ค๋งŒ ํ˜„์žฌ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘ ํ•™์Šตํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณผ์ •์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ์‚ฌ์—…์—์„œ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€, ์—…๊ณ„ ์ „์ฒด๊ฐ€ ์ „ํ†ต์  ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ์‚ฌ๋“ค์˜ ์—…๋ฌด ๋ฐฉ์‹์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ์กฐ์ •ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ์ผ ์ˆœ์ž์‚ฐ๊ฐ€์น˜(daily NAV) ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ์ „ํ™˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์—…๊ณ„์— ์žˆ์–ด ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๋ณ€ํ™”์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€๋‚œ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ์—์„œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฐ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ํŠนํžˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ณ ๋“ฑ๊ธ‰ ์‹ ์šฉ ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ์ผ์ผ ์ˆœ์ž์‚ฐ๊ฐ€์น˜(daily NAV) ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์ „ํ™˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณผ์ •์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ์‹œ์žฅ์— ์œ ๋™์„ฑ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ, ์—…๊ณ„์˜ ๋งŽ์€ ๋ถ„๋“ค์ด ๋ฐ˜๋Œ€ํ•ด์™”์ง€๋งŒ, ์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ์‚ฌ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ธฐํšŒ์˜ ๋ฌธ์„ ์—ฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด์ „์—๋„ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ ธ๋“ฏ์ด, ์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ์‚ฌ๋“ค์ด ์ž˜๋งŒ ํ™œ์šฉํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ๋‹จ์ผ ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ๋งค์ˆ˜์ž ๊ทธ๋ฃน์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ๊ธฐ์กด ๋ฎค์ถ”์–ผํŽ€๋“œ ์ƒํ’ˆ๊ตฐ๊ณผ ETF ์ƒํ’ˆ๊ตฐ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ , ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ƒํ’ˆ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” 401(k) ํ‡ด์ง์—ฐ๊ธˆ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 401(k)์™€ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— 401(k)์—์„œ ๋Œ€๊ทœ๋ชจ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋Ÿ‰์ด ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด ํ–‰์ •๋ช…๋ น์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ช…ํ™•์„ฑ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•  ๊ทœ์น™ ์ œ์ •์ด๋‚˜ ์ตœ์†Œํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ด๋“œ๋ผ์ธ์ด ๋‚˜์™€์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ธด ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์ง๊ณผ ์ €๋Š” ์ˆ˜๋งŽ์€ ์ฝœ ๋ฆฌํฌํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ ๋ฐ›์€ํŽธ์ง€ํ•จ์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ๋“œ๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์›Œ์‹ฑํ„ด D.C. ์ „์—ญ์—์„œ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ํ™œ๋™๋Ÿ‰์ด ์ •๋ง ์—„์ฒญ๋‚ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ชจ๋“  ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค, ๋ชจ๋“  ์—…๊ณ„ ๋ชจ์ž„์—์„œ ๋ง ๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ ์‚ฌ๋ชจ์ž์‚ฐ(private assets) ๋…ผ์˜๋กœ ๋„˜์ณ๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ๋งŒํ•œ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•œ ์ด์œ ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง์›๋“ค์ด ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ํ”Œ๋žœ์— ๊ฐ€์ž…ํ•ด ์žˆ์„ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„์„ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•  ๋•Œ, ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์— ์‚ฌ๋ชจ์ž์‚ฐ์„ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•˜๋ฉด 50%์—์„œ 100% ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ–‰์ •๋ช…๋ น์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ์ฃผ๋ชฉ๋ฐ›์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ 401(k)์— ๋ณด์ฆ์†Œ๋“, ํŠนํžˆ ํ‰์ƒ๋ณด์ฆ์†Œ๋“(guaranteed lifetime income)์„ ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ง์›๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•˜๋˜ ์ œ๋„์—์„œ ๋ณ€ํ™”ํ•ด์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ™•์ •๊ธ‰์—ฌํ˜•(defined benefit)์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚ฌ์ฃ . ์ง์›๋“ค์€ ํ‰์ƒ๋ณด์ฆ์†Œ๋“์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ธฐ์—…๋“ค์€ ์‹ซ์–ดํ–ˆ์ฃ . ๊ทธ ๋‹ค์Œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ™•์ •๊ธฐ์—ฌํ˜•(defined contribution) ์„ธ์ƒ์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋™ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๋ฆฌ์Šคํฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ณธ์งˆ์ ์œผ๋กœ ํšŒ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ ์ง์›์—๊ฒŒ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธฐ์—…๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์ข‹์•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์ง์›๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์ฃ . ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์ง์›๋“ค์€ 401(k) ๋‚ด์—์„œ ์ ๊ทน์ ์ธ ํˆฌ์ž ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ๋‚ด๋ฆฐ ์ ์ด ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ๋„ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํ•ด๋‹น ํ”Œ๋žœ์˜ ์ˆ˜ํƒ์ž๋“ค์ด ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š” ๋Œ€์•ˆ๋“ค์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ์›€์ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ์ž์ฃผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์šฉ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋นŒ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜์•„๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์„ธ์ƒ์€ ํ•˜์ด๋ธŒ๋ฆฌ๋“œ ์„ธ์ƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ™•์ •๊ธ‰์—ฌํ˜•(defined benefit)๊ณผ ๋” ์œ ์‚ฌํ•œ ํ˜•ํƒœ๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ณ ์šฉ์ฃผ๊ฐ€ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹œ์žฅ์ด ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ดˆ๊ธฐ ๋‹จ๊ณ„์— ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋งค์ผ ์ง„์ „์„ ์ด๋ฃจ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ฌํ•ด๋Š” 10์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ๋„˜์–ด์„ค ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •ํ™•ํ•œ ์ˆ˜์น˜๊ฐ€ ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ œ ์•ž์— ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ, ์ž‘๋…„์—๋„ ์ด๋ฏธ 10์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ๋„˜์—ˆ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ ๋ชจ์Šต์ด ๊ตฌ์ฒดํ™”๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ ์ž์‚ฐ์šด์šฉ์‚ฌ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋…ผ์˜์™€ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€๋กœ, ์ด๋“ค์€ ๋‹จ์ˆœํžˆ ์ผ์ผ ์ˆœ์ž์‚ฐ๊ฐ€์น˜(daily NAV)๋งŒ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์ผ์ผ ์œ ๋™์„ฑ(daily liquid)์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ, ์ฆ‰ ๊ตฌ์กฐ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด๋‚ด๋Š” ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์—…๊ณ„ ์ „์ฒด๊ฐ€ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์‹œ์žฅ์„ ๊ณต๋žตํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ƒํ’ˆ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋ฅผ ์กฐ์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์ด ๊ทœ์ œ ์ œ์ •์ด๋‚˜ ๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค์™€ ๋”๋ถˆ์–ด ์ด ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์—ฌ๋Š” ์—ด์‡ ๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ๊ณผ ๋งˆ์ง„์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์–ธ๊ธ‰๋“ค์„ ๋“ค์–ด๋ณด์‹œ๋ฉด ์•„์‹œ๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” 1๊ฐœ ์‹œ์žฅ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ์‚ฌ์—…์—์„œ 6๊ฐœ ์‹œ์žฅ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ์‚ฌ์—…์œผ๋กœ ์„ฑ์žฅํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š” ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ์ด ์–ด๋””๋ƒ์ธ๋ฐ, ๊ทธ 6๊ฐœ ์‹œ์žฅ ์ค‘ 5๊ฐœ๋Š” ์„œ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ƒํ’ˆ ๊ตฌ์„ฑ, ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ „๋‹ฌ ๋ฉ”์ปค๋‹ˆ์ฆ˜, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ผ์ผ ์ˆœ์ž์‚ฐ๊ฐ€์น˜(NAV)์™€ ์œ ๋™์„ฑ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์„ ์š”๊ตฌํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์—…๊ณ„์™€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํšŒ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์ด์— ๋Œ€์‘ํ•˜๋А๋ƒ๊ฐ€ ๊ณง ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์„ฑ์žฅํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋А๋ƒ๋ฅผ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— Jim์ด ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•œ ๊ทœ๋ชจ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž์‚ฐ ๋ฐœ๊ตด, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด์„œ๋„ ํ’ˆ์งˆ์„ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ž‘์šฉํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ๋ณ€ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์›์น™(principal) ์ค‘์‹ฌ์˜ ๋งˆ์ธ๋“œ๋กœ ์ด ์‚ฌ์—…์— ์ž„ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธฐ๊ด€ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ด๋“ , ๋ฆฌํ…Œ์ผ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ด๋“ , 401(k) ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ด๋“ , ๋ณดํ—˜์‚ฌ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ด๋“ , ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์š”๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋จน๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ . ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์˜ ํ’ˆ์งˆ์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž˜๋ชป๋œ ์›์น™์  ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ๋งŒํšŒํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๋ฃŒ๋Š” ์–ด๋–ค ์ž์‚ฐ์—์„œ๋„ ๋‚˜์˜ฌ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋งค์ผ ์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ•ํ™”ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด์—์„œ ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜๊ฐˆ ์ด์œ ์ด๊ณ , ์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ํ™•๋ณดํ•œ ์ด์œ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ์ด๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ์—ด์ •์ ์ผ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: Thank you. That brings us to the end of the question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the floor back over to Mr. Gunn for closing comments.**Operator:** ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์งˆ์˜์‘๋‹ต ์„ธ์…˜์„ ๋งˆ์น˜๋„๋ก ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ๋งˆ๋ฌด๋ฆฌ ๋ง์”€์„ ์œ„ํ•ด Gunn ๋‹˜๊ป˜ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋งˆ์ดํฌ๋ฅผ ๋„˜๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Noah Gunn: MD of Finance & Global Head of Investor Relations in New York Great. Thank you, everyone, for joining us this morning and for all your time, your spending with us. If you have any follow-up questions, as usual, please feel free to reach out on anything we discussed. Thank you very much.**Noah Gunn:** ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์•„์นจ ์ฐธ์„ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ณ  ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋‚ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ์œผ์‹œ๋ฉด ์–ธ์ œ๋“ ์ง€ ํŽธํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์—ฐ๋ฝ ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋Š˜ ๋…ผ์˜ํ•œ ๋‚ด์šฉ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“  ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค. ๋Œ€๋‹จํžˆ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's event. You may disconnect your lines and log off the webcast at this time, and enjoy the rest of your day.**Operator:** 200000

์‹ ์‚ฌ ์ˆ™๋…€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„, ์˜ค๋Š˜ ํ–‰์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ข…๋ฃŒ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ์ „ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋Š์œผ์‹œ๊ณ  ์›น์บ์ŠคํŠธ์—์„œ ๋กœ๊ทธ์•„์›ƒํ•˜์…”๋„ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚จ์€ ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ฆ๊ฒ๊ฒŒ ๋ณด๋‚ด์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๐Ÿ“Œ ์š”์•ฝ

# Apollo Global Management Earnings Call Summary

## Key Financial Metrics & Performance
- **SRE Growth Target**: Reaffirmed 10% annual growth target, with ARI transaction helping to "derisk" the year rather than provide upside
- **FRE Margin Expansion**: Targeting ~100 basis points annual margin expansion going forward
- **2025 Fundraising**: Exceeded $180 billion in organic inflows vs. $150 billion annual target; confident in maintaining strong momentum in 2026
- **Athene Volume Target**: $85 billion for 2026, with net spread guidance of 120-125 basis points
- **Performance Fees**: Cautiously optimistic but maintaining long-term PII target of $900 million (acknowledged as most unpredictable earnings component)

## Strategic Highlights & Management Tone
- **Highly Confident & Opportunistic**: Management expressed strong conviction in their positioning, particularly emphasizing their "principal mindset" and focus on quality over volume
- **Origination Scale**: $305 billion originated in 2025 ($245B North America, $40B Europe, $15-20B Asia); strategy expanding globally
- **Market Positioning**: Emphasized focus on $40 trillion investment-grade private credit opportunity vs. narrow focus on $2-3 trillion non-investment-grade software lending
- **ARI Transaction**: Transferring portfolio from discount-trading public vehicle to Athene at fair market value to optimize capital allocation

## Key Risks & Challenges
- **Software Exposure Concerns**: ADS has mid-teens software exposure, though management stressed 100% senior secured first lien with negligible PIK/ARR exposure and minimal pre-2021/2022 vintage risk
- **Competitive Pressures**: Acknowledged competition in lower-quality broker channels, but confident in differentiation through low OpEx, origination capabilities, and spread management
- **PRT Market**: Pension risk transfer volumes improving but spreads remain unattractive; not dependent on PRT recovery to meet targets
- **Market Volatility**: Public market volatility creating dispersion opportunities but also uncertainty around exit timing for PE portfolio

## Implied Strengths
- Strong differentiation in portfolio construction and risk management