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| Citizens Financial Group, Inc. (CFG) Q4 2025 Earnings Call January 21, 2026 9:00 AM EST Company Participants Kristin Silberberg - Head of Investor Relations Bruce Van Saun - CEO & Chairman of the Board Aunoy Banerjee - Executive VP & CFO Donald McCree - Chair of Commercial Banking Brendan Coughlin - President & Vice Chair Conference Call Participants Ryan Nash - Goldman Sachs Group, Inc., Research Division L. | # ์ํฐ์ฆ์ค ํ์ด๋ธ์
๊ทธ๋ฃน(Citizens Financial Group, Inc.) (CFG) 2025๋
4๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค์ ๋ฐํ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค ์ฝ **์ผ์:** 2026๋ 1์ 21์ผ ์ค์ 9์(๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๋๋ถ ํ์ค์) ## ํ์ฌ ์ฐธ์์ **ํฌ๋ฆฌ์คํด ์ค๋ฒ๋ฒ๊ทธ(Kristin Silberberg)** - ํฌ์์ ๊ด๊ณ ๋ด๋น ์์ **๋ธ๋ฃจ์ค ๋ฐ ์ฌ์ด(Bruce Van Saun)** - ์ต๊ณ ๊ฒฝ์์(CEO) ๊ฒธ ์ด์ฌํ ์์ฅ **์๋์ด ๋ฐฐ๋์ง(Aunoy Banerjee)** - ์ ๋ฌด์ด์ฌ(Executive VP) ๊ฒธ ์ต๊ณ ์ฌ๋ฌด์ฑ ์์(CFO) **๋๋๋ ๋งฅํฌ๋ฆฌ(Donald McCree)** - ์์ ์ํ ๋ถ๋ฌธ ์์ฅ **๋ธ๋ ๋ ์ฝํ๋ฆฐ(Brendan Coughlin)** - ์ฌ์ฅ ๊ฒธ ๋ถ์์ฅ ## ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค ์ฝ ์ฐธ์ ์ ๋๋ฆฌ์คํธ **๋ผ์ด์ธ ๋ด์(Ryan Nash)** - ๊ณจ๋๋ง์ญ์ค ๊ทธ๋ฃน(Goldman Sachs Group, Inc.), ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ L. --- *[์ฐธ๊ณ : ์ด ๋ฒ์ญ์ ์ค์ ๋ฐํ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค ์ฝ์ ํค๋ ๋ถ๋ถ์ ๋๋ค. ์ค์ ๋ฐ์ธ ๋ด์ฉ์ด ์ ๊ณต๋๋ฉด ์ ๋ฌธ ๊ธ์ต ์ฉ์ด์ ํ์์ ์ด์กฐ๋ฅผ ์ ์งํ๋ฉด์ ์์ฐ์ค๋ฝ๊ณ ์ ํํ ํ๊ตญ์ด๋ก ๋ฒ์ญํด ๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค.]* |
| Erika Penala - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division Manan Gosalia - Morgan Stanley, Research Division Girard Sweeney Matthew O'Connor - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division Ebrahim Poonawala - BofA Securities, Research Division David Chiaverini - Jefferies LLC, Research Division Gerard Cassidy - RBC Capital Markets, Research Division Christopher McGratty - Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division Kenneth Usdin - Bernstein Autonomous LLP Presentation Operator Welcome, and thank you for standing by. [Operator Instructions] Today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Kristin Silberberg. Thank you. You may begin. | # ์ด๋์ฝ ์ฐธ์์ ๋ช
๋จ **์ ๋๋ฆฌ์คํธ:** ์๋ฆฌ์นด ํ๋ ๋ผ - UBS ์ธ๋ฒ ์คํธ๋จผํธ ๋ฑ ํฌ, ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ๋ง๋ ๊ณ ์ด๋ฆฌ์ - ๋ชจ๊ฑด์คํ ๋ฆฌ, ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ์ง๋ผ๋ ์ค์๋ ๋งคํ ์ค์ฝ๋ - ๋์ด์น๋ฑ ํฌ AG, ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ์๋ธ๋ผํ ํธ๋์๋ผ - ๋ฑ ํฌ์ค๋ธ์๋ฉ๋ฆฌ์นด ์ฆ๊ถ, ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ๋ฐ์ด๋น๋ ์น์๋ฒ ๋ฆฌ๋ - ์ ํ๋ฆฌ์ค LLC, ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ์ ๋ผ๋ ์บ์๋ - RBC ์บํผํ ๋ง์ผ์ธ , ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ํฌ๋ฆฌ์คํ ํผ ๋งฅ๊ทธ๋ํฐ - ํคํ, ๋ธ๋ฃจ์ํธ ์ค ์ฐ์ฆ, ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ ์ผ๋ค์ค ์ด์ค๋ - ๋ฒ์คํ์ธ ์คํ ๋ ธ๋จธ์ค LLP --- # ๋ฐํ **๊ตํ์:** ํ์ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฐธ์ํด ์ฃผ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. [๊ตํ์ ์๋ด์ฌํญ] ์ค๋ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค๋ ๋ น์๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด์ ํฌ๋ฆฌ์คํด ์ค๋ฒ๋ฒ๊ทธ์๊ฒ ํ์๋ฅผ ๋๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์์ํ์ ๋ ๋ฉ๋๋ค. |
| Kristin Silberberg Head of Investor Relations Thanks, Julie. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. First, this morning, our Chairman and CEO, Bruce Van Saun; and CFO, Aunoy Banerjee, will provide an overview of our fourth quarter and full year results. Brendan Coughlin, our President; and Don McCree, our Chair of Commercial Banking, are also here to provide additional color. We will be referencing our fourth quarter and full year presentation located on our Investor Relations website. After the presentation, we will be happy to take questions. | ํฌ๋ฆฌ์คํด ์ค๋ฒ๋ฒ๊ทธ ํฌ์์ ๊ด๊ณ ๋ด๋น ์์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค, ์ค๋ฆฌ. ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ ์๋ ํ์ธ์, ์ฐธ์ํด ์ฃผ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์ค๋ ์์นจ ๋จผ์ ๋ธ๋ฃจ์ค ๋ฐ ์ฌ์ด ํ์ฅ ๊ฒธ CEO์ ์ด๋ ธ์ด ๋ฐฐ๋์ง CFO๊ฐ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ ์ฐ๊ฐ ์ค์ ๊ฐ์๋ฅผ ์ค๋ช ๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ธ๋ ๋ ์ฝํ๋ฆฐ ์ฌ์ฅ๊ณผ ๋ ๋งฅํฌ๋ฆฌ ์์ ์ํ ๋ถ๋ฌธ ์์ฅ๋ ์ถ๊ฐ ์ค๋ช ์ ์ํด ํจ๊ป ์๋ฆฌํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ ํฌ์์ ๊ด๊ณ ์น์ฌ์ดํธ์ ๊ฒ์๋ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ ์ฐ๊ฐ ํ๋ ์ ํ ์ด์ ์๋ฃ๋ฅผ ์ฐธ๊ณ ํ์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค. ๋ฐํ ํ ์ง์์๋ต ์๊ฐ์ ๊ฐ๋๋ก ํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Our comments today will include forward-looking statements, which are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause our results to differ materially from expectations. These are outlined for your review in the presentation. We also reference non-GAAP financial measures, so it's important to review our GAAP results in the presentation and the reconciliations in the appendix. And with that, I will hand it over to Bruce. Bruce Van Saun CEO & Chairman of the Board Okay. Thanks, Kristin, and good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining our call today. We were pleased to finish the year with another strong quarter. | ์ค๋ ์ ํฌ ๋ฐํ์๋ ๋ฏธ๋์์ธก์ง์ (forward-looking statements)์ด ํฌํจ๋์ด ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ๋ค์ํ ์ํ์์ธ๊ณผ ๋ถํ์ค์ฑ์ผ๋ก ์ธํด ์ค์ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๊ฐ ์์๊ณผ ํฌ๊ฒ ๋ค๋ฅผ ์ ์์์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ๋ด์ฉ์ ๋ฐํ์๋ฃ์ ๋ช
์๋์ด ์์ผ๋ ๊ฒํ ํด ์ฃผ์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค. ๋ํ ๋น-GAAP ์ฌ๋ฌด์งํ๋ฅผ ์ธ๊ธํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฏ๋ก, ๋ฐํ์๋ฃ์ GAAP ๊ธฐ์ค ์ค์ ๊ณผ ๋ถ๋ก์ ์กฐ์ ๋ด์ญ์ ํจ๊ป ๊ฒํ ํ์๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์ค์ํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ผ ๋ธ๋ฃจ์ค์๊ฒ ๋ง์ดํฌ๋ฅผ ๋๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ธ๋ฃจ์ค ๋ฐ ์ฌ์ด CEO ๊ฒธ ์ด์ฌํ ์์ฅ ์ข์ต๋๋ค. ํฌ๋ฆฌ์คํด, ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ ์๋ ํ์ญ๋๊น. ์ค๋ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค์ฝ์ ์ฐธ์ฌํด ์ฃผ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ๋ ํ ๋ฒ์ ๊ฒฌ์กฐํ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค์ ์ผ๋ก ํ ํด๋ฅผ ๋ง๋ฌด๋ฆฌํ๊ฒ ๋์ด ๊ธฐ์๊ฒ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. |
| Our financial results were paced by net interest margin expansion of 7 basis points, strong wealth and capital markets fees, positive operating leverage of 1.3% sequential and 5.2% year-on-year, favorable credit trends and a robust balance sheet across capital, liquidity and funding. We are executing well on our strategic initiatives. Our Private Bank finished the year with $14.5 billion in deposits, $10 billion in client assets and $7.2 billion in loans. The business was 7% accretive to pretax income in 2025, ahead of our 5% target. Importantly, we managed this business to a 25% ROE for the year. | ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์ฌ๋ฌด ์ค์ ์ ์์ด์๋ง์ง 7bp ํ๋, ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์์ฐ๊ด๋ฆฌ ๋ฐ ์๋ณธ์์ฅ ์์๋ฃ, ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น 1.3% ๋ฐ ์ ๋ ๋๋น 5.2%์ ๊ธ์ ์ ์์ ๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง, ์ฐํธ์ ์ธ ์ ์ฉ ์ถ์ธ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์๋ณธ, ์ ๋์ฑ ๋ฐ ์๊ธ์กฐ๋ฌ ์ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฑธ์น ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํ ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ์ ํ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ ๋ต์ ์ด๋์ ํฐ๋ธ๋ฅผ ์ฑ๊ณต์ ์ผ๋ก ์คํํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ๋ ์๊ธ 145์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ, ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์์ฐ 100์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ, ๋์ถ 72์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ก ํ ํด๋ฅผ ๋ง๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด ์ฌ์ ๋ถ๋ 2025๋ ์ธ์ ์ด์ต์ 7% ๊ธฐ์ฌํ์ฌ ๋ชฉํ์น์ธ 5%๋ฅผ ์ํํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ค์ํ ์ ์, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ด ์ฌ์ ์ ์ฐ๊ฐ 25% ROE๋ก ๊ด๋ฆฌํ๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| We continue to grow nicely in New York City Metro and our corporate banking expansion into new geographies, verticals and sponsors is delivering good results. We made significant progress in running down non-core assets from $6.9 billion at the beginning of the year to $2.5 billion at the end, which included a sale of a student loan portfolio. Our TOP 10 program hit the mark with $100 million plus run rate benefits in Q4. For the quarter, our EPS was up 8% sequentially and 36% year-over-year. NII is up 9% year-on-year as net interest margin is up 20 basis points and spot loans grew 3%. Fees are up 8% year-on-year, paced by Capital Markets and Wealth. | ๋ด์์ ๋ฉํธ๋ก ์ง์ญ์์ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ์ํธํ ์ฑ์ฅ์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์๋ก์ด ์ง์ญ, ์ ์ข ๋ฐ ์คํฐ์๋ก์ ๊ธฐ์ ๊ธ์ต ํ์ฅ์ด ์ข์ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋นํต์ฌ ์์ฐ์ ์ฐ์ด 69์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ์์ ์ฐ๋ง 25์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ก ๋ํญ ์ถ์ํ๋ ๋ฐ ์๋นํ ์ง์ ์ ์ด๋ฃจ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ฌ๊ธฐ์๋ ํ์๊ธ ๋์ถ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค ๋งค๊ฐ์ด ํฌํจ๋์์ต๋๋ค. TOP 10 ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ฐ๊ฐ ๊ธฐ์ค 1์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ์ด์์ ํจ์ต์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ๋ฉฐ ๋ชฉํ๋ฅผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก ์ฃผ๋น์์ด์ต(EPS)์ ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น 8%, ์ ๋ ๋๊ธฐ ๋๋น 36% ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. ์์ด์๋ง์ง(NIM)์ด 20bp ์์นํ๊ณ ๊ธฐ๋ง ๋์ถ์ด 3% ์ฆ๊ฐํ๋ฉด์ ์์ด์์ด์ต(NII)์ ์ ๋ ๋๋น 9% ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. ์์๋ฃ ์์ต์ ์๋ณธ์์ฅ ๋ถ๋ฌธ๊ณผ ์์ฐ๊ด๋ฆฌ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ด ์ฃผ๋ํ๋ฉฐ ์ ๋ ๋๋น 8% ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Provision is down $25 million year-on-year as losses reduce on CRE office and credit in general looks good. We retired 3% of our shares in 2025 and delivered an 80% return of capital to shareholders. For the full year, our EPS of $3.86 was up 19% relative to 2024. We hit most of our line items in the beginning of year guide, which is included on Slide 31. Our expenses were up 4.6% versus the guide of 4% given the fee performance beat and associated incentive compensation and our desire to keep building out Private Bank and Wealth. We delivered positive operating leverage of around 1.25% for the year. | ์ถฉ๋น๊ธ์ CRE ์คํผ์ค ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ์์ค ๊ฐ์๋ก ์ ๋ ๋๋น 2,500๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ ๊ฐ์ํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ธ ์ ์ฉ ์ํ๋ ์ํธํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ 2025๋ ์ ์์ฌ์ฃผ 3%๋ฅผ ์๊ฐํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ฃผ์ฃผ๋ค์๊ฒ ์๋ณธ์ 80%๋ฅผ ํ์ํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๊ฐ ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์ฃผ๋น์์ด์ต(EPS)์ 3.86๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ก 2024๋ ๋๋น 19% ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 31์ ํฌํจ๋ ์ฐ์ด ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค์ ๋๋ถ๋ถ ํญ๋ชฉ์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ๋น์ฉ์ 4% ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค ๋๋น 4.6% ์ฆ๊ฐํ๋๋ฐ, ์ด๋ ์์๋ฃ ์ค์ ํธ์กฐ์ ์ด์ ๋ฐ๋ฅธ ์ฑ๊ณผ๊ธ ์ง๊ธ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ์ ์์ฐ๊ด๋ฆฌ ๋ถ๋ฌธ ํ๋์ ๋ํ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์์ง ๋๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ฐ๊ฐ ์ฝ 1.25%์ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ธ ์์ ๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง๋ฅผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ต๋๋ค. |
| We think -- as we think about 2026, our focus will continue to be strong execution of our strategic initiatives. The biggest new addition will be Reimagine the Bank, which has been launched and is creating real excitement at Citizens. We've included a couple of slides in our presentation on this program. What I'd like to call out is that the deployment of new technologies and approaches under Reimagine the Bank will deliver meaningful enhancements to customer experience. This will drive some real revenue benefits in addition to the targeted expense efficiency improvements from the program. | 2026๋ ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ๋ณด๋ฉด์, ์ ํฌ๋ ์ ๋ต์ ์ด๋์ ํฐ๋ธ์ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์คํ์ ๊ณ์ ์ง์คํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ฐ์ฅ ํฐ ์๋ก์ด ์ถ๊ฐ ์ฌํญ์ 'Reimagine the Bank'๊ฐ ๋ ๊ฒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ์ด๋ฏธ ์ถ๋ฒํ์ฌ Citizens์์ ์ค์ง์ ์ธ ๊ธฐ๋๊ฐ์ ๋ถ๋ฌ์ผ์ผํค๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ์ด๋ฒ ๋ฐํ ์๋ฃ์ ์ด ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ๊ดํ ๋ช ์ฅ์ ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋๋ฅผ ํฌํจ์์ผฐ์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๊ฐ ๊ฐ์กฐํ๊ณ ์ถ์ ์ ์ Reimagine the Bank ํ์์ ์๋ก์ด ๊ธฐ์ ๊ณผ ์ ๊ทผ๋ฐฉ์์ ๋์ ์ด ๊ณ ๊ฐ ๊ฒฝํ์ ์๋ฏธ ์๋ ๊ฐ์ ์ ์ ๊ณตํ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๋ ์ ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ๋ชฉํ์ธ ๋น์ฉ ํจ์จ์ฑ ๊ฐ์ ์ธ์๋ ์ค์ง์ ์ธ ์์ต ์ฆ๋ ํจ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์ ธ์ฌ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| This program has around 50 initiatives at the outset, but we will add to this over time, providing further upside. Looking ahead, the macro environment for 2026 should be favorable. We see solid GDP growth, stable unemployment and inflation falling by the end of the year. We project 2 more Fed rate cuts with the yield curve steepening as the 10-year stays anchored around 4.25%. We anticipate the regulatory environment to stay positive. We will look to take some basic steps on stablecoins, but we do not see a big lift off and impact in 2026. Notwithstanding several of our peers gauging on acquisitions, our focus for the foreseeable future remains on our attractive organic growth agenda. | ์ด ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ์ด๊ธฐ์ ์ฝ 50๊ฐ์ ์ด๋์ ํฐ๋ธ๋ก ๊ตฌ์ฑ๋์ด ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์๊ฐ์ด ์ง๋จ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ์ถ๊ฐํ ์์ ์ด์ด์ ์ถ๊ฐ์ ์ธ ์์น ์ฌ๋ ฅ์ ์ ๊ณตํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์์ผ๋ก 2026๋ ์ ๊ฑฐ์๊ฒฝ์ ํ๊ฒฝ์ ์ฐํธ์ ์ผ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์ ๋ง๋ฉ๋๋ค. ๊ฒฌ์กฐํ GDP ์ฑ์ฅ๋ฅ ๊ณผ ์์ ์ ์ธ ์ค์ ๋ฅ , ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฐ๋ง๊น์ง ํ๋ฝํ๋ ์ธํ๋ ์ด์ ์ ์์ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. 10๋ ๋ฌผ ๊ธ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ 4.25% ์์ค์์ ๊ณ ์ ๋๋ฉด์ ์์ต๋ฅ ๊ณก์ ์ด ๊ฐํ๋ผ์ง๋ ๊ฐ์ด๋ฐ ์ฐ์ค์ ์ถ๊ฐ ๊ธ๋ฆฌ ์ธํ๊ฐ 2ํ ์์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์ ๋งํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ท์ ํ๊ฒฝ์ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ ์ง๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. ์คํ ์ด๋ธ์ฝ์ธ๊ณผ ๊ด๋ จํด์๋ ๋ช ๊ฐ์ง ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์ธ ์กฐ์น๋ฅผ ์ทจํ ์์ ์ด์ง๋ง, 2026๋ ์ ํฐ ๋์ฝ์ด๋ ์ํฅ์ด ์์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก๋ ๋ณด์ง ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ฌ ๊ฒฝ์์ฌ๋ค์ด ์ธ์ํฉ๋ณ์ ๊ฒํ ํ๊ณ ์์์๋ ๋ถ๊ตฌํ๊ณ , ๋น์ฌ๋ ๋น๋ถ๊ฐ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ์ ๊ธฐ์ ์ฑ์ฅ ์ด์ ๋ค์ ์ง์คํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| With respect to the 2026 outlook, we expect very strong revenue performance, controlled expenses, significant positive operating leverage and lower credit costs. NII growth of 10% to 12% will be paced by strong continuing NIM expansion and solid loan growth led by Private Bank and C&I. Fees will continue to grow off a strong year in 2025. The Capital Markets backdrop is highly favorable and Citizens is well positioned. Our Wealth business is in a great position to grow, both with Private Bank customers as well as branch-based customers. Expense growth is projected to be comparable to this year as we seek to maintain the growth rate of the Private Bank. | 2026๋ ์ ๋ง๊ณผ ๊ด๋ จํ์ฌ, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ๋งค์ถ ์ค์ , ํต์ ๋ ๋น์ฉ, ์๋นํ ๊ธ์ ์ ์์ ๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋ฎ์์ง ์ ์ฉ ๋น์ฉ์ ์์ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์์ด์์ด์ต(NII)์ 10%์์ 12% ์ฑ์ฅํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์ ๋ง๋๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ์ง์์ ์ธ ์์ด์๋ง์ง(NIM) ํ๋์ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ ๋ฐ ๊ธฐ์ ๋์ถ(C&I)์ด ์ฃผ๋ํ๋ ๊ฒฌ์กฐํ ๋์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ํ์ ์ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์์๋ฃ ์์ต์ 2025๋ ์ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ํ ํด๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ์ผ๋ก ๊ณ์ ์ฑ์ฅํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์๋ณธ์์ฅ ํ๊ฒฝ์ ๋งค์ฐ ์ฐํธ์ ์ด๋ฉฐ ์ํฐ์ฆ์ค๋ ์ข์ ์์น์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์์ฐ๊ด๋ฆฌ ์ฌ์ ์ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๊ณผ ์ง์ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ๋ชจ๋์์ ์ฑ์ฅํ ์ ์๋ ํ๋ฅญํ ์์น์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋น์ฉ ์ฆ๊ฐ์จ์ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ์ ์ฑ์ฅ๋ฅ ์ ์ ์งํ๊ณ ์ ํ๋ฏ๋ก ์ฌํด์ ๋น์ทํ ์์ค์ด ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋ฉ๋๋ค. |
| We have been disciplined in ensuring that the Private Bank achieves sustainable growth with attractive returns. The Reimagine the Bank impact in 2026 will deliver onetime costs of around $50 million versus benefits of $45 million, which are incorporated in this guidance. We do not intend to break out the onetime costs as notables as we've done in the past. Credit costs should continue to improve as the CRE office portfolio continues to be worked out. We continue to see mix improvements delivering benefits to the charge-off and provision rates over time. We will manage our CET1 ratio to 10.5% to 10.6% throughout 2026. | ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ๊ฐ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ์์ต๋ฅ ๊ณผ ํจ๊ป ์ง์ ๊ฐ๋ฅํ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ ์ ์๋๋ก ๊ท์จ ์๊ฒ ๊ด๋ฆฌํด ์์ต๋๋ค. 2026๋ Reimagine the Bank์ ์ํฅ์ ์ฝ 5์ฒ๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ์ ์ผํ์ฑ ๋น์ฉ ๋๋น 4์ฒ5๋ฐฑ๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ์ ํจ์ต์ ๊ฐ์ ธ์ฌ ๊ฒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ๋ณธ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค์ ๋ฐ์๋์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ์ ๋ฌ๋ฆฌ ์ผํ์ฑ ๋น์ฉ์ ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ ๋งํ ํญ๋ชฉ(notables)์ผ๋ก ๋ณ๋ ๊ตฌ๋ถํ์ฌ ๊ณต์ํ ๊ณํ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์์ ์ฉ ๋ถ๋์ฐ ์คํผ์ค ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค๊ฐ ๊ณ์ ์ ๋ฆฌ๋จ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ์ ์ฉ ๋น์ฉ์ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ฐ์ ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค ๋ฏน์ค ๊ฐ์ ์ด ์๊ฐ์ด ์ง๋จ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ์๊ฐ๋ฅ ๊ณผ ์ถฉ๋น๊ธ ์ ๋ฆฝ๋ฅ ์ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ธ ํจ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์ ธ์ฌ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๊ณ์ ์ ๋งํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. 2026๋ ๋ด๋ด CET1 ๋น์จ์ 10.5%์์ 10.6% ์์ค์ผ๋ก ๊ด๋ฆฌํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| We envision share repurchases of approximately $700 million to $850 million. We also are hopeful that the Fed modeling improvements will meaningfully lower our SCB. We've included some slides on our medium-term outlook and how the drag from our legacy swap portfolio will dissipate with time. We remain confident in our ability to achieve our medium-term 16% to 18% ROTCE target. To sum up, we are feeling very good about our positioning for the future. Our strategy rests on a transformed consumer bank, the best positioned super regional commercial bank and the aspiration to have the premier bank-owned private bank. | ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ฝ 7์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ์์ 8์ต 5์ฒ๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ์์ฌ์ฃผ ๋งค์
์ ๊ณํํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ํ ์ฐ์ค์ ๋ชจ๋ธ๋ง ๊ฐ์ ์ด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ SCB๋ฅผ ์๋ฏธ ์๊ฒ ๋ฎ์ถ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๊ธฐ๋ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ค๊ธฐ ์ ๋ง๊ณผ ๋ ๊ฑฐ์ ์ค์ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค๋ก ์ธํ ๋ถ๋ด์ด ์๊ฐ์ด ์ง๋จ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ํด์๋ ๊ฒ์ธ์ง์ ๋ํ ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋๋ฅผ ํฌํจ์์ผฐ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ค๊ธฐ ๋ชฉํ์ธ 16%์์ 18%์ ROTCE๋ฅผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ ์ ์๋ ๋ฅ๋ ฅ์ ๋ํด ์ฌ์ ํ ํ์ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์์ฝํ์๋ฉด, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๋ฏธ๋๋ฅผ ์ํ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ํฌ์ง์ ๋์ ๋ํด ๋งค์ฐ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋๋ผ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์ ๋ต์ ๋ณํ๋ ์๋น์ ์ํ, ์ต๊ณ ์ ํฌ์ง์ ์ ๊ฐ์ถ ์ํผ ๋ฆฌ์ ๋ ์์ ์ํ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ต๊ณ ์ ์ํ ์์ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ ํ๊ฒ ๋ค๋ ํฌ๋ถ์ ๊ธฐ๋ฐํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| We continue to make steady progress, and we'll continue to execute with the financial and operating discipline that you've come to expect from us. I'd like to end my remarks by thanking our colleagues for rising to the occasion and delivering a great effort in 2025. We know we can count on you again this year. And with that, let me turn it over to Aunoy for his debut performance. Aunoy? Aunoy Banerjee Executive VP & CFO Thanks, Bruce. Good morning, everyone. I am excited to be part of team Citizens and to help execute our well-planned strategy. Now turning to our performance. | ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ๊พธ์คํ ์ง์ ์ ์ด๋ฃจ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ์ด ์ ํฌ์๊ฒ ๊ธฐ๋ํด ์ค์ ์ฌ๋ฌด์ , ์ด์์ ๊ท์จ์ ๊ฐ์ง๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์คํํด ๋๊ฐ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ์ ๋ฐ์ธ์ ๋ง๋ฌด๋ฆฌํ๋ฉด์, 2025๋
์ ํ๋ฅญํ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ด๊ธฐ ์ํด ์ต์ ์ ๋คํด์ฃผ์ ๋๋ฃ๋ค์๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ฌ์ ๋ง์์ ์ ํ๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌํด๋ ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ์ ๋ฏฟ๊ณ ์์งํ ์ ์๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ์๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ผ ์ด์ Aunoy์ ๋ฐ๋ท ๋ฌด๋๋ฅผ ์ํด ๊ทธ์๊ฒ ๋ง์ดํฌ๋ฅผ ๋๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. Aunoy? Aunoy Banerjee ์ต๊ณ ์ฌ๋ฌด์ฑ ์์(CFO) ๊ฒธ ์ ๋ฌด์ด์ฌ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค, Bruce. ์๋ ํ์ธ์, ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ. Citizens ํ์ ์ผ์์ด ๋์ด ์ ๊ณํ๋ ์ ๋ต์ ์คํํ๋ ๋ฐ ๋์์ ๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ๋์ด ๊ธฐ์ฉ๋๋ค. ์ด์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์ค์ ์ผ๋ก ๋์ด๊ฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| As Bruce indicated, we delivered strong results in 2025 that were in line with our expectations at the beginning of the year. The fourth quarter delivered continued good performance, and we are well positioned for 2026. Referencing Slides 3 to 7, I will provide some highlights for the full year and the fourth quarter. First, spending a moment on the full year results. We delivered EPS of $3.86 for 2025, up 19% on an underlying basis, and that includes a $0.28 or just over 7% contribution from the Private Bank. Importantly, we also achieved full year positive operating leverage of approximately 125 basis points on an underlying basis. | Bruce๊ฐ ์ธ๊ธํ๋ฏ์ด, ์ ํฌ๋ ์ฐ์ด ๊ธฐ๋์น์ ๋ถํฉํ๋ 2025๋ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์ค์ ์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ต๋๋ค. 4๋ถ๊ธฐ์๋ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ์ํธํ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ฑฐ๋์์ผ๋ฉฐ, 2026๋ ์ ์ํ ์ข์ ์ ์ง๋ฅผ ํ๋ณดํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 3~7์ ์ฐธ๊ณ ํ์๋ฉด, ์ฐ๊ฐ ์ค์ ๊ณผ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค์ ์ ์ฃผ์ ๋ด์ฉ์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋จผ์ ์ฐ๊ฐ ์ค์ ์ ๋ํด ์ ์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ 2025๋ ์ฃผ๋น์์ด์ต(EPS) 3.86๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ๊ธฐ์ ๊ธฐ์ค(underlying basis)์ผ๋ก 19% ์ฆ๊ฐํ ์์น์ ๋๋ค. ์ฌ๊ธฐ์๋ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ(Private Bank) ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ๊ธฐ์ฌ๋ถ 0.28๋ฌ๋ฌ, ์ฆ 7%๋ฅผ ์ฝ๊ฐ ์ํํ๋ ๊ธฐ์ฌ๋๊ฐ ํฌํจ๋์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ค์ํ ์ ์, ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ๊ธฐ์ ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก ์ฝ 125bp(๋ฒ ์ด์์คํฌ์ธํธ)์ ์ฐ๊ฐ ๊ธ์ ์ ์์ ๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง(positive operating leverage)๋ ๋ฌ์ฑํ๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Net interest income was up 4% as we delivered 13 basis points of margin expansion. Fees were up a strong 11% on an underlying basis, led by record results in both Wealth, up 22%, and Capital Markets, which had a nice pickup in the second half, up 9% year-over-year. Expenses were managed well, up 4.6% on an underlying basis, reflecting the continued investment in the build-out of the Private Bank and Wealth. We also managed credit well, maintaining strong reserve coverage levels with credit losses coming in line with our expectations at the start of the year. | ์์ด์์ด์ต์ 13bp์ ๋ง์ง ํ๋๋ฅผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ๋ฉฐ 4% ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. ์์๋ฃ ์์ต์ ๊ธฐ์ ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก 11% ๊ฐํ๊ฒ ์ฆ๊ฐํ๋๋ฐ, ์ด๋ ์ฐ์ค๋ถ๋ฌธ์ด 22% ์ฆ๊ฐํ๋ฉฐ ์ฌ์ ์ต๊ณ ์ค์ ์ ๊ธฐ๋กํ๊ณ , ์๋ณธ์์ฅ ๋ถ๋ฌธ๋ ํ๋ฐ๊ธฐ์ ์ข์ ํ๋ณต์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๋ฉฐ ์ ๋ ๋๋น 9% ์ฆ๊ฐํ ๋ฐ ํ์ ์ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๋น์ฉ์ ๊ธฐ์ ๊ธฐ์ค 4.6% ์ฆ๊ฐ๋ก ์ ๊ด๋ฆฌ๋์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น๋ฑ ํฌ์ ์ฐ์ค ๋ถ๋ฌธ ๊ตฌ์ถ์ ๋ํ ์ง์์ ์ธ ํฌ์๋ฅผ ๋ฐ์ํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ํ ์ ์ฉ ๊ด๋ฆฌ๋ ์ ์ด๋ฃจ์ด์ ธ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์ถฉ๋น๊ธ ์ ๋ฆฝ๋ฅ ์ ์ ์งํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ ์ฉ์์ค์ ์ฐ์ด ์์์น์ ๋ถํฉํ๋ ์์ค์ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ต๋๋ค. |
| We ended the year in a very strong balance sheet position, maintaining robust capital, strong liquidity levels and a healthy credit reserve. For the fourth quarter, we generated EPS of $1.13, up 8% linked quarter and 36% year-on-year, and delivered a 12.2% ROTCE. The Private Bank continues to steadily grow its earnings contribution, adding $0.10 to EPS in Q4, up $0.02 linked quarter. Now I will talk through the fourth quarter results in more detail, starting with net interest income on Slide 8. Net interest income increased 3% linked quarter, driven by a strong expansion of our net interest margin and a 1% increase in average interest-earning assets. | ์ ํฌ๋ ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํ ์๋ณธ, ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์ ๋์ฑ ์์ค, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ฑด์ ํ ๋์์ถฉ๋น๊ธ์ ์ ์งํ๋ฉฐ ๋งค์ฐ ํํํ ์ฌ๋ฌด์ํ๋ก ํ ํด๋ฅผ ๋ง๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. 4๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ฃผ๋น์์ด์ต(EPS)์ 1.13๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ฌ ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น 8%, ์ ๋ ๋๊ธฐ ๋๋น 36% ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ ํ์๋ณธ์ด์ต๋ฅ (ROTCE) 12.2%๋ฅผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ต๋๋ค. ํ๋ผ์ด๋น๋ฑ ํฌ๋ ๊พธ์คํ ์์ต ๊ธฐ์ฌ๋๋ฅผ ํ๋ํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, 4๋ถ๊ธฐ EPS์ 0.10๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ์ฌํ์ฌ ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น 0.02๋ฌ๋ฌ ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด์ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค์ ์ ๋ณด๋ค ์์ธํ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 8์ ์์ด์์ด์ต๋ถํฐ ์์ํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์์ด์์ด์ต์ ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น 3% ์ฆ๊ฐํ๋๋ฐ, ์ด๋ ์์ด์๋ง์ง์ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ํ๋์ ํ๊ท ์ด์์์ต์์ฐ์ 1% ์ฆ๊ฐ์ ๊ธฐ์ธํฉ๋๋ค. |
| Our net interest margin continues to steadily expand, up 7 basis points this quarter to 3.07%. 3 basis points of the margin expansion was driven by the benefits of non-core runoff and reduced impact from the terminated swaps, what we refer to as time-based benefits. The rest was a combination of fixed rate asset repricing and lower funding costs, which was partially offset by lower asset yields. We continue to do a good job optimizing deposits in a competitive environment. Interest-bearing deposit costs were down 15 basis points, while total deposit costs were down 12 basis points. Our cumulative interest-bearing deposit beta is about 48% through the end of the year. Moving to Slide 9. | ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์์ด์๋ง์ง์ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ๊พธ์คํ ํ๋๋์ด ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ 7bp ์์นํ 3.07%๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ง์ง ํ๋์ 3bp๋ ๋นํต์ฌ ์์ฐ์ ๋ง๊ธฐ ๋๋ ํจ๊ณผ์ ์ข ๋ฃ๋ ์ค์์ ์ํฅ ๊ฐ์, ์ฆ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์๊ฐ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ ํจ๊ณผ๋ผ๊ณ ๋ถ๋ฅด๋ ๊ฒ์์ ๋น๋กฏ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ๋๋จธ์ง๋ ๊ณ ์ ๊ธ๋ฆฌ ์์ฐ์ ์ฌ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ๊ฒฐ์ ๊ณผ ์๊ธ์กฐ๋ฌ ๋น์ฉ ๊ฐ์๊ฐ ๋ณตํฉ์ ์ผ๋ก ์์ฉํ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ์์ฐ์์ต๋ฅ ํ๋ฝ์ผ๋ก ๋ถ๋ถ์ ์ผ๋ก ์์๋์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ฒฝ์์ ์ธ ํ๊ฒฝ์์ ์๊ธ์ ์ต์ ํํ๋ ๋ฐ ๊ณ์ํด์ ์ข์ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด์๋ถ ์๊ธ ๋น์ฉ์ 15bp ํ๋ฝํ๊ณ , ์ ์ฒด ์๊ธ ๋น์ฉ์ 12bp ํ๋ฝํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ง ๊ธฐ์ค ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ๋์ ์ด์๋ถ ์๊ธ ๋ฒ ํ๋ ์ฝ 48%์ ๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 9๋ก ๋์ด๊ฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Fees are down 2% linked quarter, but up 10% year-over-year on an underlying basis. Our Wealth business delivered another record quarter, driven by continued progress in the Private Bank and strength in the retail network, up 5% linked quarter and 31% year-over-year. These results reflected higher advisory fees with continued positive momentum in fee-based AUM growth, including strong inflows from the conversion of private wealth lift-outs as well as market appreciation. Capital Markets delivered its third best quarter ever, up 16% year-over-year, though down 16% compared with the exceptionally strong third quarter. | ์์๋ฃ ์์ต์ ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น 2% ๊ฐ์ํ์ผ๋, ๊ธฐ์ ํจ๊ณผ ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก๋ ์ ๋ ๋๊ธฐ ๋๋น 10% ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. ์์ฐ๊ด๋ฆฌ(Wealth) ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ์ ์ง์์ ์ธ ์ฑ์ฅ๊ณผ ๋ฆฌํ ์ผ ๋คํธ์ํฌ์ ๊ฐ์ธ์ ํ์ ์ด ๋ ๋ค์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ต๊ณ ์ค์ ์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น 5%, ์ ๋ ๋๊ธฐ ๋๋น 31% ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ์ค์ ์ ์์๋ฃ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ ์ด์ฉ์์ฐ(AUM)์ ์ง์์ ์ธ ๊ธ์ ์ ๋ชจ๋ฉํ ์ ๋ฐ๋ฅธ ์๋ฌธ ์์๋ฃ ์ฆ๊ฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ์ํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก, ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ์ฐ์ค ๋ฆฌํํธ์์(private wealth lift-out) ์ ํ์ ๋ฐ๋ฅธ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์ ์ ๊ณผ ์์ฅ ๊ฐ์น ์์น์ด ๊ธฐ์ฌํ์ต๋๋ค. ์๋ณธ์์ฅ(Capital Markets) ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ์ญ๋ ์ธ ๋ฒ์งธ๋ก ๋์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค์ ์ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ ๋ ๋๊ธฐ ๋๋น 16% ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ผ๋ ์ ๋ก์์ด ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ๋ 3๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น๋ก๋ 16% ๊ฐ์ํ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Several M&A and equity deals were pushed into '26 given the impacts associated with the government shutdown. As a result, we expect roughly $20 million of related fees to be recognized in the first quarter. Despite deals pushing into '26, our equity underwriting performance was still up nicely linked quarter and up significantly year-over-year. Loan syndication fees were very strong this quarter, driven by refinance activity. And bond underwriting fees were solid, although lower than the very strong third quarter. | ์ ๋ถ ์ ง๋ค์ด์ ์ํฅ์ผ๋ก ์ฌ๋ฌ M&A ๋ฐ ์ฃผ์ ๊ฑฐ๋๊ฐ 2026๋ ์ผ๋ก ์ฐ๊ธฐ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ, ๊ด๋ จ ์์๋ฃ ์ฝ 2์ฒ๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ๊ฐ 1๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ธ์๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋ฉ๋๋ค. ๊ฑฐ๋ ์ฐ๊ธฐ์๋ ๋ถ๊ตฌํ๊ณ , ๋น์ฌ์ ์ฃผ์ ์ธ์ ์ค์ ์ ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น ํฌ๊ฒ ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ผ๋ฉฐ ์ ๋ ๋๊ธฐ ๋๋น๋ก๋ ์๋นํ ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. ๋์ถ ์ ๋์ผ์ด์ ์์๋ฃ๋ ๋ฆฌํ์ด๋ธ์ฑ ํ๋์ ํ์ ์ด ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ฐ์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฑ๊ถ ์ธ์ ์์๋ฃ๋ ๊ฒฌ์กฐํ์ผ๋, ๋งค์ฐ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ๋ 3๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ณด๋ค๋ ๋ฎ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| We continue to perform well in the league tables, ranking second in the fourth quarter and fourth for the full year on both volume and number of deals for middle market sponsored loan syndications. And our deal pipeline across M&A, debt and equity Capital Markets remain strong. On Slide 10, expenses are up 0.6% on a sequential basis, largely reflecting continued investment in the build-out of the Private Bank and Private Wealth and higher incentive compensation. Disciplined expense management and strong revenues resulted in approximately 79 basis points of improvement in our efficiency ratio to 62%. | ๋ฆฌ๊ทธ ํ ์ด๋ธ์์ ๊ณ์ ์ฐ์ํ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, 4๋ถ๊ธฐ์๋ 2์, ์ฐ๊ฐ์ผ๋ก๋ ๋ฏธ๋ค๋ง์ผ ์คํฐ์๋ ๋ก ์ ๋์ผ์ด์ ์์ ๊ฑฐ๋๋๊ณผ ๊ฑด์ ๊ธฐ์ค ๋ชจ๋ 4์๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ต๋๋ค. M&A, ์ฑ๊ถ ๋ฐ ์ฃผ์ ์๋ณธ์์ฅ ์ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฑธ์น ๋ ํ์ดํ๋ผ์ธ๋ ๊ฒฌ์กฐํ ์ํ๋ฅผ ์ ์งํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 10์์ ๋ณด์๋ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฐ์ด, ๋น์ฉ์ ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น 0.6% ์ฆ๊ฐํ๋๋ฐ, ์ด๋ ์ฃผ๋ก ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ์ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ์ฐ์ค ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ์ง์์ ์ธ ํฌ์ ํ๋์ ์ฑ๊ณผ๊ธ ์ฆ๊ฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ์ํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์๊ฒฉํ ๋น์ฉ ๊ด๋ฆฌ์ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์์ต ์ค์ ์ผ๋ก ํจ์จ์ฑ ๋น์จ์ด ์ฝ 79bp ๊ฐ์ ๋์ด 62%๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Our TOP 10 program achieved $100 million of pretax run rate benefit exiting the year, and we have launched our Reimagine the Bank initiative, which I will discuss in more detail shortly. On Slide 11, average and period-end loans were up 1% or up 2% excluding the non-core portfolio runoff of roughly $500 million in the quarter. We saw solid loan growth across each of the businesses as non-core runoff and balance sheet optimization impacts lessen. The Private Bank delivered solid loan growth again this quarter with period-end loans up about $1.2 billion, driven by a pickup in sponsor line utilization along with growth in multifamily and residential mortgage. | ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ TOP 10 ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ์ฐ๋ง ๊ธฐ์ค ์ธ์ ๋ฐ๋ ์ดํธ ํจ๊ณผ 1์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, Reimagine the Bank ์ด๋์ ํฐ๋ธ๋ฅผ ์์ํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด์ ๋ํด์๋ ๊ณง ๋ ์์ธํ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 11์์ ๋ณด์๋ฉด, ํ๊ท ๋ฐ ๊ธฐ๋ง ๋์ถ์ 1% ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ๋นํต์ฌ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค์ ์ฝ 5์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ๊ฐ์๋ถ์ ์ ์ธํ๋ฉด 2% ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. ๋นํต์ฌ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค ๊ฐ์์ ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ ์ต์ ํ ์ํฅ์ด ์ค์ด๋ค๋ฉด์ ๊ฐ ์ฌ์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ๊ฒฌ์กฐํ ๋์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ณด์์ต๋๋ค. Private Bank๋ ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์๋ ๊ฒฌ์กฐํ ๋์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ๊ธฐ๋ง ๋์ถ์ด ์ฝ 12์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์คํฐ์ ํ๋ ํ์ฉ๋ ์ฆ๊ฐ์ ํจ๊ป ๋ค๊ฐ๊ตฌ์ฃผํ ๋ฐ ์ฃผ๊ฑฐ์ฉ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๊ธฐ์ธํฉ๋๋ค. |
| Commercial loans were up slightly on a spot basis, driven by net new money originations in corporate banking and higher commercial line utilization, partially offset by CRE paydowns. We continue to reduce CRE balances, which were down about 4% this quarter and 10% for the year. And retail loans saw some nice growth driven by home equity and mortgage. Next, on Slides 12 and 13, we continue to do a good job on deposits with noninterest-bearing balances up 2%, maintaining a steady mix at 22% of the book, even as our total spot deposits increased approximately 2% to $183 billion. Average deposits were also up 2%, or $3.9 billion, driven by growth in the Private Bank, commercial and retail. | ๊ธฐ์ ๋์ถ์ ๊ธฐ์ ๊ธ์ต ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ์์ ๊ท ์๊ธ ์ ์น์ ๊ธฐ์ ์ฌ์ ํ๋ ์ฌ์ฉ๋ฅ ์ฆ๊ฐ์ ํ์ ์ด ๊ธฐ๋ง ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก ์ํญ ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ์์ ์ฉ๋ถ๋์ฐ(CRE) ์ํ์ผ๋ก ์ผ๋ถ ์์๋์์ต๋๋ค. ๋น์ฌ๋ CRE ์์ก์ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ์ถ์ํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ฝ 4%, ์ฐ๊ฐ ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก๋ 10% ๊ฐ์ํ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ธ๋์ถ์ ์ฃผํ๋ด๋ณด๋์ถ๊ณผ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง์ ํ์ ์ด ์ํธํ ์ฑ์ฅ์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ค์์ผ๋ก ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 12์ 13์ ๋ณด์๋ฉด, ๋น์ฌ๋ ์๊ธ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ๊ณ์ํด์ ์ข์ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ฑฐ๋๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ๋ฌด์ด์์๊ธ ์์ก์ด 2% ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ฌ ์ ์ฒด ์๊ธ ๋๋น 22%์ ์์ ์ ์ธ ๋น์ค์ ์ ์งํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์ด ๊ธฐ๋ง ์๊ธ์ด ์ฝ 2% ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ฌ 1,830์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ์ ๋ฌํ ๊ฐ์ด๋ฐ ์ด๋ฃจ์ด์ง ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ํ๊ท ์๊ธ ๋ํ 2%, ์ฆ 39์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น๋ฑ ํฌ, ๊ธฐ์ ๊ธ์ต ๋ฐ ๊ฐ์ธ๊ธ์ต ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๊ธฐ์ธํฉ๋๋ค. |
| Private Bank deposits reached $14.5 billion at the end of the year, including some larger flows towards the end of the quarter. We continue to focus on optimizing our deposit funding costs, reducing the average rate paid across all businesses, driving interest-bearing deposit costs down 15 basis points linked quarter. This, combined with the growth in noninterest-bearing deposits, helped to drive our total deposit costs down 12 basis points. And importantly, our noninterest-bearing and low-cost deposit mix increased to 43%, and our stable retail deposits are 65% of our total deposits, which compares to a peer average of about 55%. Moving to credit on Slide 14. | ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ ์๊ธ์ ์ฐ๋ง ๊ธฐ์ค 145์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ์ ๋ฌํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋ง์ ์ผ๋ถ ๋๊ท๋ชจ ์๊ธ ์ ์ ์ด ์์๋ ๊ฒ์ ํฌํจํ ์์น์ ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์๊ธ ์กฐ๋ฌ ๋น์ฉ ์ต์ ํ์ ๊ณ์ ์ง์คํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ๋ชจ๋ ์ฌ์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ํ๊ท ์ง๊ธ ๊ธ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฎ์ถ์ด ์ด์๋ถ ์๊ธ ๋น์ฉ์ ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น 15bp ๊ฐ์์์ผฐ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ๋ฌด์ด์ ์๊ธ ์ฆ๊ฐ์ ๊ฒฐํฉ๋์ด ์ด ์๊ธ ๋น์ฉ์ 12bp ๋ฎ์ถ๋ ๋ฐ ๊ธฐ์ฌํ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ค์ํ ์ ์, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ๋ฌด์ด์ ๋ฐ ์ ๋น์ฉ ์๊ธ ๋น์ค์ด 43%๋ก ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์์ ์ ์ธ ๋ฆฌํ ์ผ ์๊ธ์ด ์ ์ฒด ์๊ธ์ 65%๋ฅผ ์ฐจ์งํ๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ๋์ข ์ ๊ณ ํ๊ท ์ฝ 55%์ ๋น๊ต๋ฉ๋๋ค. 14ํ์ด์ง ์ ์ฉ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ผ๋ก ๋์ด๊ฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Credit continues to trend favorably with net charge-offs coming in at 43 basis points, down from 46 basis points in the prior quarter. Nonaccrual loans are down slightly linked quarter, driven by a decrease in commercial real estate. Criticized balances also continued to decline. Turning to the allowance for credit losses on Slide 15. The allowance was down slightly to 1.53% this quarter as the portfolio mix continues to improve due to non-core runoff, the reduction in the CRE portfolio and lower loss content front book originations across C&I and retail real estate secured. The economic forecast supporting the allowance is relatively stable with the prior quarter. | ์ ์ฉ ์ํ๋ ๊ณ์ํด์ ์ํธํ ์ถ์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์๋์์๊ฐ๋ฅ (net charge-offs)์ ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ 46bp์์ 43bp๋ก ํ๋ฝํ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฌด์์ต์ฌ์ (nonaccrual loans)์ ์์
์ฉ ๋ถ๋์ฐ ๊ฐ์์ ํ์
์ด ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น ์ํญ ๊ฐ์ํ์ต๋๋ค. ์์ฃผ์์ฌ์ (criticized balances) ๋ํ ๊ณ์ํด์ ๊ฐ์์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. 15ํ์ด์ง์ ๋์์ถฉ๋น๊ธ(allowance for credit losses)์ผ๋ก ๋์ด๊ฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋์์ถฉ๋น๊ธ์ ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ 1.53%๋ก ์ํญ ๊ฐ์ํ๋๋ฐ, ์ด๋ ๋นํต์ฌ ์์ฐ์ ์ถ์(non-core runoff), ์์ ์ฉ ๋ถ๋์ฐ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค ๊ฐ์ถ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ธฐ์ ๋์ถ(C&I)๊ณผ ๋ถ๋์ฐ๋ด๋ณด ๊ฐ์ธ๋์ถ(retail real estate secured) ์ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฑธ์น ์ ๊ท ์ทจ๊ธ ๋์ถ์ ๋ฎ์ ์์ค๋ฅ ๋ฑ์ผ๋ก ์ธํด ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค ๊ตฌ์ฑ์ด ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ฐ์ ๋๊ณ ์๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ๋์์ถฉ๋น๊ธ ์ฐ์ ์ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ์ด ๋๋ ๊ฒฝ์ ์ ๋ง์ ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๋น๊ตํด ์๋์ ์ผ๋ก ์์ ์ ์ ๋๋ค. |
| And as we look broadly across the portfolio, the credit outlook looks good. The general office portfolio continues to work out as expected, and we maintain a robust allowance of 10.8% coverage. Importantly, the cumulative charge-off plus the current reserve translates to a total expected lifetime loss rate of about 20% against the March '23 loan balance, and that level has been consistent with our view for the past year. Moving to Slide 16. We maintained excellent balance sheet strength. Our CET1 ratio is 10.6%, and adjusting for the AOCI opt-out removal, our CET1 ratio increased to 9.5%. | ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ดํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ ์ฉ ์ ๋ง์ด ์ํธํฉ๋๋ค. ์ผ๋ฐ ์คํผ์ค ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค๋ ์์๋๋ก ์งํ๋๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, 10.8%์ ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํ ์ถฉ๋น๊ธ ์ปค๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง๋ฅผ ์ ์งํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ค์ํ ์ ์, ๋์ ์๊ฐ์ก๊ณผ ํ์ฌ ์ ๋ฆฝ๊ธ์ ํฉ์ฐํ๋ฉด 2023๋ 3์ ๋์ถ ์์ก ๋๋น ์ฝ 20%์ ์ด ์์ ์์ ์์ค๋ฅ ๋ก ํ์ฐ๋๋ฉฐ, ์ด ์์ค์ ์ง๋ 1๋ ๊ฐ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์ ๋ง๊ณผ ์ผ๊ด๋๊ฒ ์ ์ง๋์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 16์ผ๋ก ๋์ด๊ฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ํ์ํ ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ ๊ฑด์ ์ฑ์ ์ ์งํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. CET1 ๋น์จ์ 10.6%์ด๋ฉฐ, AOCI ์ตํธ์์ ์ ๊ฑฐ๋ฅผ ์กฐ์ ํ๋ฉด CET1 ๋น์จ์ 9.5%๋ก ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. |
| We returned a total of $326 million to shareholders in the fourth quarter with $201 million in common dividends and $125 million of share repurchases. For 2025, we returned $1.4 billion, or 80% of our 2025 earnings, to shareholders. We repurchased $600 million of common stock at an average price of $44.55, representing about 3% of outstanding shares at the beginning of the year. Our tangible book value per share increased to $38.07, up $1.34 or 4% sequentially, with full year growth of $5.73 per share or 18% year-over-year. Moving to Slide 17 through 20. | 4๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ด 3์ต 2,600๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์ฃผ๋ค์๊ฒ ํ์ํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด ์ค ๋ณดํต์ฃผ ๋ฐฐ๋น๊ธ์ผ๋ก 2์ต 100๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ, ์์ฌ์ฃผ ๋งค์ ์ผ๋ก 1์ต 2,500๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ฅผ ์ง๊ธํ์ต๋๋ค. 2025๋ ํ ํด ๋์ 2025๋ ์์ด์ต์ 80%์ ํด๋นํ๋ 14์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์ฃผ๋ค์๊ฒ ํ์ํ์ต๋๋ค. ํ๊ท ์ฃผ๋น 44.55๋ฌ๋ฌ์ 6์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ๋ณดํต์ฃผ๋ฅผ ๋งค์ ํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ์ฐ์ด ๋ฐํ์ฃผ์์ ๋๋น ์ฝ 3%์ ํด๋นํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฃผ๋น ์ ํ์์ฐ๊ฐ์น(tangible book value per share)๋ 38.07๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ก ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ฌ ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น 1.34๋ฌ๋ฌ, 4% ์์นํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ฐ๊ฐ์ผ๋ก๋ ์ฃผ๋น 5.73๋ฌ๋ฌ ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ฌ ์ ๋ ๋๋น 18% ์ฑ์ฅํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด์ ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 17๋ฒ๋ถํฐ 20๋ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋์ด๊ฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| We are well positioned to drive strong performance over the medium term with our overall focused strategy, a transformed consumer bank, the best-positioned super regional commercial bank and our aspiration to build the premier bank-owned private bank and private wealth franchise. The Private Bank continues to make excellent progress, as you see on Slides 19 and 20. We exceeded our balance sheet targets and delivered full year earnings of $0.28, contributing a little over 7% to EPS in 2025, well ahead of our original projection of 5%. The Private Bank delivered strong deposit growth again this quarter, ending the year at $14.5 billion. | ์ ํฌ๋ ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ธ ์ง์ค ์ ๋ต, ํ์ ๋ ์๋น์ ์ํ, ์ต๊ณ ์ ์ ์ง๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์ถ ์ํผ ๋ฆฌ์ ๋ ์์ ์ํ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ต๊ณ ์ ์ํ ์์ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ ๋ฐ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ์ฐ์ค ํ๋์ฐจ์ด์ฆ ๊ตฌ์ถ์ด๋ผ๋ ๋ชฉํ๋ฅผ ํตํด ์ค๊ธฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์ค์ ์ ์ฐฝ์ถํ ์ ์๋ ์ข์ ์์น์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ๋ ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 19์ 20์์ ๋ณด์๋ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฐ์ด ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ์ฐ์ํ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ ๋ชฉํ๋ฅผ ์ด๊ณผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, 2025๋ ์ฐ๊ฐ ์ฃผ๋น์์ด์ต 0.28๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ฌ EPS์ 7% ์ด์ ๊ธฐ์ฌํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ๋น์ด ๋ชฉํ์น์ธ 5%๋ฅผ ํฌ๊ฒ ์ํํ๋ ์์น์ ๋๋ค. ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ๋ ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์๋ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์๊ธ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ฌ ์ฐ๋ง ๊ธฐ์ค 145์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Importantly, the overall deposit mix continues to be very attractive with about 36% in noninterest-bearing at the end of the year. We also delivered strong loan growth in the quarter, adding roughly $1 billion of loans to end the year at $7.2 billion. Since the launch of the Private Bank in '23, we have added 10 wealth teams to our platform with more in the pipeline. We ended the year with $10 billion of total client assets, reflecting the continued strong conversion rates of the wealth hires. We have more runway here, and we plan to continue adding top quality teams in key geographies. | ์ค์ํ ์ ์ ์ ์ฒด ์๊ธ ๊ตฌ์ฑ์ด ๊ณ์ํด์ ๋งค์ฐ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ด๋ผ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ง ๊ธฐ์ค ๋ฌด์ด์ ์๊ธ์ด ์ฝ 36%๋ฅผ ์ฐจ์งํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ํ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ๋์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ฌ ์ฝ 10์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ์ ๋์ถ์ ์ถ๊ฐํด ์ฐ๋ง ๋์ถ ์์ก์ด 72์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ์ ๋๋ฌํ์ต๋๋ค. 2023๋ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ ์ถ๋ฒ ์ดํ, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ํ๋ซํผ์ 10๊ฐ์ ์์ฐ๊ด๋ฆฌํ์ ์ถ๊ฐํ์ผ๋ฉฐ ๋ ๋ง์ ํ์ด ์ค๋น ์ค์ ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ง ์ด ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์์ฐ์ 100์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ก ๋ง๊ฐํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ์์ ํ ์์ฐ๊ด๋ฆฌ ์ธ๋ ฅ์ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ๋์ ์ ํ์จ์ ๋ฐ์ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฌ๊ธฐ์๋ ๋ ๋ง์ ์ฑ์ฅ ์ฌ๋ ฅ์ด ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ฃผ์ ์ง์ญ์์ ์ต๊ณ ์์ค์ ํ์ ๊ณ์ ์ถ๊ฐํ ๊ณํ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Given the investments we have made and our plans to further expand the Private Bank in '26, we think deposits can grow to $18 billion to $20 billion, loans in the range of $11 billion to $13 billion and client assets $16 billion to $20 billion. We expect this growth will help drive an increase in Private Bank's earnings contribution to mid-teens in the medium term while maintaining a 20% to 25% ROE profile. Moving to Slides 21 and 22. We have launched our firm-wide Reimagine the Bank initiative. | ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์งํํ ํฌ์์ '26๋ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ๋ฅผ ์ถ๊ฐ๋ก ํ์ฅํ ๊ณํ์ ๊ณ ๋ คํ ๋, ์๊ธ์ 180์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ์์ 200์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ก, ๋์ถ์ 110์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ์์ 130์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ๋ฒ์๋ก, ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์์ฐ์ 160์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ์์ 200์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ก ์ฑ์ฅํ ์ ์์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ์ฑ์ฅ์ด ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ์ ์์ต ๊ธฐ์ฌ๋๋ฅผ ์ค๊ธฐ์ ์ผ๋ก 10%๋ ์ค๋ฐ๊น์ง ์ฆ๊ฐ์ํค๋ ๋์์ 20%์์ 25%์ ROE(์๊ธฐ์๋ณธ์ด์ต๋ฅ ) ์์ค์ ์ ์งํ๋ ๋ฐ ๋์์ด ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๊ธฐ๋ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 21๊ณผ 22๋ก ๋์ด๊ฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ ์ฌ์ ์ธ 'Reimagine the Bank(์ํ ์ฌ๊ตฌ์)' ์ด๋์ ํฐ๋ธ๋ฅผ ์์ํ์ต๋๋ค. |
| The objective is to position Citizens for long-term success by embracing a host of new innovative technologies across the bank and simplifying our business model, which will reshape our customer experience and drive a meaningful improvement in productivity and efficiency. Slide 21 will give you a sense for the scope of the effort, which spans nearly every part of the bank. Slide 22 lays out our financial targets for the program. For 2026, we expect to minimize the EPS impact of onetime costs and capital investments by prioritizing initiatives with faster paybacks. | ์ด ๋ชฉํ๋ ์ํ ์ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฑธ์ณ ๋ค์ํ ํ์ ์ ์ธ ์ ๊ธฐ์ ์ ๋์ ํ๊ณ ๋น์ฆ๋์ค ๋ชจ๋ธ์ ๋จ์ํํจ์ผ๋ก์จ Citizens์ ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ ์ฑ๊ณต์ ์ํ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ์ ๋ง๋ จํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฅผ ํตํด ๊ณ ๊ฐ ๊ฒฝํ์ ์ฌํธํ๊ณ ์์ฐ์ฑ๊ณผ ํจ์จ์ฑ์ ์๋ฏธ ์๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ ํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 21์ ์ํ์ ๊ฑฐ์ ๋ชจ๋ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ๊ฑธ์น ์ด ๋ ธ๋ ฅ์ ๋ฒ์๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ฌ๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 22๋ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ์ฌ๋ฌด ๋ชฉํ๋ฅผ ์ ์ํฉ๋๋ค. 2026๋ ์๋ ๋ ๋น ๋ฅธ ํฌ์ํ์ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ์ ๊ฐ์ง ์ด๋์ ํฐ๋ธ๋ฅผ ์ฐ์ ์์์ ๋์ด ์ผํ์ฑ ๋น์ฉ๊ณผ ์๋ณธ ํฌ์๊ฐ ์ฃผ๋น์์ด์ต(EPS)์ ๋ฏธ์น๋ ์ํฅ์ ์ต์ํํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. |
| There will be about $50 million of front-loaded onetime costs that will be effectively offset by $45 million of benefits to be realized later in the year. The program will drive positive net benefits in '27 that we expect will accelerate in '28, and we are targeting fully phased-in pretax run rate benefits of approximately $450 million as we exit 2028. Roughly 2/3 of these benefits are tied to expense efficiencies, which equate to about 5% of our full year 2025 expense base. Importantly, we are confident that the financial benefits of Reimagine the Bank will be additive to the 16% to 18% ROTCE targets we expect to achieve in the second half of ' 27. Moving to Slide 23. | ์ฝ 5์ฒ๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ์ ์ ํ ์ผํ์ฑ ๋น์ฉ์ด ๋ฐ์ํ ์์ ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ์ฐ๋ง์ ์คํ๋ 4์ฒ5๋ฐฑ๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ์ ํจ์ต์ผ๋ก ์ฌ์ค์ ์์๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ 2027๋ ์ ์ํจ์ต์ ์ฐฝ์ถํ ๊ฒ์ด๋ฉฐ, 2028๋ ์๋ ๊ฐ์ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 2028๋ ๋ง ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก ์์ ํ ๋จ๊ณ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ ์ฉ๋ ์ธ์ ๋ฐ๋ ์ดํธ ํจ์ต์ ์ฝ 4์ต5์ฒ๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ฅผ ๋ชฉํ๋ก ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ํจ์ต์ ์ฝ 2/3๋ ๋น์ฉ ํจ์จ์ฑ๊ณผ ์ฐ๊ณ๋์ด ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ 2025๋ ์ ์ฒด ์ฐ๊ฐ ๋น์ฉ ๊ธฐ์ค์ ์ฝ 5%์ ํด๋นํฉ๋๋ค. ์ค์ํ ์ ์, Reimagine the Bank์ ์ฌ๋ฌด์ ํจ์ต์ด 2027๋ ํ๋ฐ๊ธฐ์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ๋ 16%~18% ROTCE ๋ชฉํ์ ์ถ๊ฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ธฐ์ฌํ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๋ ํ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ง๊ณ ์๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 23์ผ๋ก ๋์ด๊ฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| I will take you through our full year '26 outlook, which contemplates a forward curve with two 25 basis point Fed cuts, one in June and other in September, ending the year with Fed funds approaching 3% to 3.25% and a 10-year treasury rate anchored around 4.25%. We expect NII to be up 10% to 12% with NIM expanding about 4 to 5 basis points a quarter towards 3.25% in 4Q '26. Loan growth is expected to pick up this year with spot loans up 3% to 5%, average loans up 2.5% to 3.5% and overall earning assets up 4% to 5%. Non-interest income is expected to be up 6% to 8%, driven primarily by wealth and capital markets. | 2026 ํ๊ณ์ฐ๋ ์ ๋ง์ ๋ํด ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ 6์๊ณผ 9์์ ๊ฐ๊ฐ 25bp์ ์ฐ์ค ๊ธ๋ฆฌ ์ธํ๊ฐ ์์ด ์ฐ๋ง ์ฐ๋ฐฉ๊ธฐ๊ธ๊ธ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ 3~3.25%์ ๋๋ฌํ๊ณ , 10๋ ๋ฌผ ๊ตญ์ฑ ์์ต๋ฅ ์ 4.25% ์์ค์์ ์์ ํ๋๋ ํฌ์๋ ์ปค๋ธ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ์ํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์์ด์์ด์ต(NII)์ 10~12% ์ฆ๊ฐํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ๋ฉฐ, ์์ด์๋ง์ง(NIM)์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋น ์ฝ 4~5bp์ฉ ํ๋๋์ด 2026๋ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ์๋ 3.25%์ ๋๋ฌํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์ ๋งํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฌํด ๋์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ์ธ๊ฐ ํ๋ณต๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋๋ฉฐ, ๊ธฐ๋ง ๋์ถ์์ก์ 3~5%, ํ๊ท ๋์ถ์์ก์ 2.5~3.5%, ์ ์ฒด ์์ต์์ฐ์ 4~5% ์ฆ๊ฐํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋น์ด์์ด์ต์ ์์ฐ๊ด๋ฆฌ ๋ฐ ์๋ณธ์์ฅ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ์ค์ฌ์ผ๋ก 6~8% ์ฆ๊ฐํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋ฉ๋๋ค. |
| We are projecting expenses to be up 4.5% as we are confident in our revenue outlook, and we plan to maintain our investments in growth initiatives. This translates to a 2026 full year operating leverage in excess of 500 basis points. We have provided a walk showing the key components of our '26 expense growth on Slide 24. Credit is projected to continue to improve through the year with our outlook for net charge-offs in the mid- to high 30s basis points. Along with these credit trends, the improving credit trends, the portfolio mix will also continue to improve. And finally, we expect to end the year with strong CET1 ratio of 10.5% to 10.6%. | ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๋น์ฉ์ด 4.5% ์ฆ๊ฐํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ๋งค์ถ ์ ๋ง์ ๋ํ ํ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ง๊ณ ์๊ณ ์ฑ์ฅ ์ด๋์ ํฐ๋ธ์ ๋ํ ํฌ์๋ฅผ ์ ์งํ ๊ณํ์ด๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ 2026 ํ๊ณ์ฐ๋ ์ ์ฒด ์์ ๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง๊ฐ 500bp๋ฅผ ์ด๊ณผํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ์๋ฏธํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 24์ 2026๋ ๋น์ฉ ์ฆ๊ฐ์ ์ฃผ์ ๊ตฌ์ฑ ์์๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ฌ์ฃผ๋ ์ํฌ๋ฅผ ์ ๊ณตํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ ์ฉ์ ์ฐ์ค ๊ณ์ ๊ฐ์ ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋๋ฉฐ, ์์๊ฐ๋ฅ ์ 30bp ์คํ๋ฐ๋๋ก ์ ๋งํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ์ ์ฉ ์ถ์ธ ๊ฐ์ ๊ณผ ํจ๊ป ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค ๋ฏน์ค๋ ๊ณ์ ๊ฐ์ ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ง์ง๋ง์ผ๋ก, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ฐ๋ง์ 10.5%์์ 10.6%์ ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํ CET1 ๋น์จ๋ก ๋ง๊ฐํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. |
| We expect to generate a substantial amount of capital, which will put us in an excellent position to push forward with our strategic priorities while returning a substantial amount of capital to shareholders. Notwithstanding anticipated strong loan growth, we expect to repurchase $700 million to $850 million in shares this year. Full year 2026 earnings incorporates a nice lift from the continued growth of the Private Bank. On Slide 25, we provide the guide for the first quarter. Note that the first quarter has seasonal impacts on revenue with lower day count impacting net interest income, taxes on the FICA reset and compensation payouts impacting expenses. | ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์๋นํ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ์๋ณธ์ ์ฐฝ์ถํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ์ฃผ์ฃผ๋ค์๊ฒ ์๋นํ ์๋ณธ์ ํ์ํ๋ ๋์์ ์ ๋ต์ ์ฐ์ ์์๋ฅผ ์ถ์งํ ์ ์๋ ํ์ํ ์์น์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋์ด๊ฒ ํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์์๋๋ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ๋์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ์๋ ๋ถ๊ตฌํ๊ณ , ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ฌํด 7์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ์์ 8์ต 5์ฒ๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ์์ฌ์ฃผ ๋งค์ ์ ์คํํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. 2026๋ ์ฐ๊ฐ ์ค์ ์๋ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ์ ์ง์์ ์ธ ์ฑ์ฅ์ผ๋ก ์ธํ ์๋นํ ์์น ํจ๊ณผ๊ฐ ๋ฐ์๋์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 25์์๋ 1๋ถ๊ธฐ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ฅผ ์ ๊ณตํฉ๋๋ค. 1๋ถ๊ธฐ์๋ ์์ ์ผ์ ๊ฐ์๊ฐ ์์ด์์ด์ต์ ์ํฅ์ ๋ฏธ์น๊ณ , FICA ์ฌ์ค์ ์ ๋ฐ๋ฅธ ์ธ๊ธ๊ณผ ๋ณด์ ์ง๊ธ์ด ๋น์ฉ์ ์ํฅ์ ๋ฏธ์น๋ ๋ฑ ๊ณ์ ์ ์์ธ์ด ์์ต์ ์ํฅ์ ๋ฏธ์น๋ค๋ ์ ์ ์ ์ํ์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค. |
| Fees are normally softer in the first quarter, but we are expecting a strong performance from capital markets after incorporating the deals that were pushed from the fourth quarter. Moving to Slides 26 to 28. Looking out over the medium term, we see a clear path to achieving our 16% to 18% ROTCE target in the second half of '27 with further momentum in 2028. Reimagine the Bank benefits will be additive to returns. Expanding our net interest margin is a key driver, which we project to be in the range of 3.30% to 3.50% in 2027, along with the impact of successful execution of our strategic initiatives, improving credit performance and delivering a strong capital return to shareholders. | ์์๋ฃ๋ ํต์ 1๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ฝ์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด์ง๋ง, 4๋ถ๊ธฐ์์ ์ด์๋ ๊ฑฐ๋๋ค์ ๋ฐ์ํ๋ฉด ์๋ณธ์์ฅ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์ค์ ์ ๊ธฐ๋ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 26๋ฒ๋ถํฐ 28๋ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋์ด๊ฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ค๊ธฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ ๋งํด๋ณด๋ฉด, 27๋ ํ๋ฐ๊ธฐ์ 16%~18% ROTCE(์ ํ์๋ณธ์ด์ต๋ฅ ) ๋ชฉํ๋ฅผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ ์ ์๋ ๋ช ํํ ๊ฒฝ๋ก๊ฐ ๋ณด์ด๋ฉฐ, 2028๋ ์๋ ์ถ๊ฐ์ ์ธ ๋ชจ๋ฉํ ์ด ์์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋ฉ๋๋ค. Reimagine the Bank์ ํจ๊ณผ๋ ์์ต๋ฅ ์ ์ถ๊ฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ธฐ์ฌํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์์ด์๋ง์ง ํ๋๊ฐ ํต์ฌ ๋๋ ฅ์ด๋ฉฐ, 2027๋ ์๋ 3.30%~3.50% ๋ฒ์๋ฅผ ์์ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๊ธฐ์ ์ ๋ต์ ์ด๋์ ํฐ๋ธ์ ์ฑ๊ณต์ ์ธ ์คํ, ์ ์ฉ ์ฑ๊ณผ ๊ฐ์ , ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฃผ์ฃผ๋ค์ ๋ํ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์๋ณธ ํ์ ํจ๊ณผ๊ฐ ๋ํด์ง ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| To wrap up, we delivered a good performance in 2025, in line with our expectations. We have a strong outlook for 2026 with significant margin expansion, good momentum in Wealth as we continue to grow the Private Bank, and we see our ship coming in on Capital Markets given the capabilities that we have built over the years. All of this puts us in a very good position to hit our medium-term 16% to 18% ROTCE target in the second half of '27. With that, I will hand it back over to Bruce. Bruce Van Saun CEO & Chairman of the Board Okay. Thanks, Aunoy. And I think, operator, we're ready to open it up for Q&A. | ๋ง๋ฌด๋ฆฌํ์๋ฉด, 2025๋
์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ๊ธฐ๋์น์ ๋ถํฉํ๋ ์ํธํ ์ค์ ์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ต๋๋ค. 2026๋
์ ๋ํ ์ ๋ง๋ ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํฉ๋๋ค. ์๋นํ ๋ง์ง ํ๋๊ฐ ์์๋๋ฉฐ, Private Bank์ ์ง์์ ์ธ ์ฑ์ฅ์ผ๋ก Wealth ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ๋ชจ๋ฉํ
์ด ์ข๊ณ , ์๋
๊ฐ ๊ตฌ์ถํด์จ ์ญ๋์ ๋ฐํ์ผ๋ก Capital Markets ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์๋ ์ฑ๊ณผ๊ฐ ๋ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ด
๋๋ค. ์ด ๋ชจ๋ ๊ฒ๋ค์ด '27๋
ํ๋ฐ๊ธฐ์ ์ค๊ธฐ ๋ชฉํ์ธ 16%~18% ROTCE ๋ฌ์ฑ์ ์ํ ๋งค์ฐ ์ข์ ์์น์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ฌ๋ ค๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด์ Bruce์๊ฒ ๋ค์ ๋๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. Bruce Van Saun CEO ๊ฒธ ์ด์ฌํ ์์ฅ ์ข์ต๋๋ค. ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค, Aunoy. ๊ทธ๋ผ ์ด์ ์ง์์๋ต ์๊ฐ์ ์์ํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
# Citizens Financial Group Q4 2025 ์ค์ ์์ฝ
## ํต์ฌ ์ฌ๋ฌด ์ฑ๊ณผ ๋ฐ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค
- **2025๋
์ค์ **: EPS $3.86 (์ ๋
๋น +19%), ROTCE 12.2%, NIM 13bp ํ๋, ์์๋ฃ ์์ต 11% ์ฆ๊ฐ (์์ฐ๊ด๋ฆฌ +22%, ์๋ณธ์์ฅ +9%). ์๋ณธ ํ์์จ 80% ๋ฌ์ฑํ๋ฉฐ ์์ฌ์ฃผ 3% ๋งค์
- **2026๋
์ ๋ง**: NII 10-12% ์ฑ์ฅ, NIM ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋น 4-5bp ํ๋ํ์ฌ 4Q 3.25% ๋ชฉํ, ๋์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ 3-5%, ์์๋ฃ 6-8% ์ฆ๊ฐ, ์์
๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง 500bp ์ด์ ์์. ์์ฌ์ฃผ ๋งค์
$700-850M ๊ณํ
- **์ค๊ธฐ ๋ชฉํ**: 2027๋
ํ๋ฐ๊ธฐ ROTCE 16-18% ๋ฌ์ฑ ๋ชฉํ ์ ์ง, NIM 3.30-3.50% ์ ๋ง. "Reimagine the Bank" ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ผ๋ก 2028๋
๊น์ง ์ฐ๊ฐ $450M ๋น์ฉ ์ ๊ฐ ๋ชฉํ (2025๋
๋น์ฉ ๊ธฐ์ค 5%)
## ๊ฒฝ์์ง ํค ๋ฐ ์ ๋ต์ ์ฐ์ ์์
- **๊ธ์ ์ ํค**: ํ๋ผ์ด๋น๋ฑ
ํฌ๊ฐ ๋ชฉํ ์ด๊ณผ ๋ฌ์ฑ (EPS ๊ธฐ์ฌ๋ 7%, ๋ชฉํ 5% ์ํ, ROE 25%), ์๋ณธ์์ฅ ํ์ดํ๋ผ์ธ ๊ฐ์ธ, ์ ๊ธฐ์ ๋์
ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ๋ํ ์์ ๊ฐ ํ๋ช
- **์ ๋ต ์ง์ค**: M&A ๋์ ์ ๊ธฐ์ ์ฑ์ฅ ์ง์ ์ถ์ง, ํ๋ผ์ด๋น๋ฑ
ํฌ ํ๋
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| Operator: [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Ryan Nash with Goldman Sachs. | **Operator:** [์๋ด ์ฌํญ] ์ฒซ ๋ฒ์งธ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๊ณจ๋๋ง์ญ์ค์ Ryan Nash ๋๊ป์ ์ฃผ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ณจ๋๋ง์ญ์ค์ Ryan Nash์ ๋๋ค. ์ง๋ฌธ ๊ธฐํ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. |
| Ryan Nash: Goldman Sachs Group, Inc., Research Division Bruce, I appreciate all the details on the Reimagining the Bank. I think you noted in the slides that this should add 2% on ROTCE. First, maybe just talk about how much of this hits the bottom line versus gets reinvested? And if it is reinvested, what are the areas that you will invest in? And then second, the Slide 28 says that you're not incorporating any of these benefits. Does this increase your confidence in getting to the high end? Or do you think this serves more as a hedge in case other parts of the business don't perform? And I have a follow-up. | **Ryan Nash:** ์ํ ์ฌ๊ตฌ์(Reimagining the Bank)์ ๋ํ ์์ธํ ์ค๋ช ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋์์ ์ด๊ฒ์ด ROTCE์ 2%๋ฅผ ์ถ๊ฐํ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ์ธ๊ธํ์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋จผ์ , ์ด ์ค ์ผ๋ง๋ ๋ง์ ๋ถ๋ถ์ด ์์ด์ต์ผ๋ก ๋ฐ์๋๊ณ ์ผ๋ง๋ ์ฌํฌ์๋๋์ง ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๊น? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฌํฌ์๋๋ค๋ฉด ์ด๋ค ๋ถ์ผ์ ํฌ์ํ์ค ๊ณํ์ด์ ๊ฐ์? ๋ ๋ฒ์งธ๋ก, ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 28์์ ์ด๋ฌํ ํํ์ ๋ฐ์ํ์ง ์๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ํ์ จ๋๋ฐ, ์ด๊ฒ์ด ๋ชฉํ ์๋จ ๋ฌ์ฑ์ ๋ํ ํ์ ์ ๋์ฌ์ฃผ๋ ๊ฒ์ธ๊ฐ์? ์๋๋ฉด ์ฌ์ ์ ๋ค๋ฅธ ๋ถ๋ถ์ด ์์๋๋ก ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ด์ง ๋ชปํ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ๋ฅผ ๋๋นํ ํค์ง ์๋จ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด์๋ ๊ฑด๊ฐ์? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ถ๊ฐ ์ง๋ฌธ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Bruce Van Saun: CEO & Chairman of the Board Yes. Okay. Garner the space for that follow-up. Nice move. So I would say that at this point, the program has taken shape and we have about 50 work streams, and it's all signed out into a transformation office and people that are running with the ball on those streams. And Brendan is kind of leading the overall effort, he can comment as well. So I think at this point, we have kind of quarter-by-quarter visibility into each of those work streams and how the kind of implementation costs flow and then how the benefits start to flow. One thing you'll notice there is that over time, the kind of revenue benefits start to pick up as we'll see improved customer experience, resulting in less customer attrition, better usage of our products by the customer base. And we think that's really solid in terms of our ability to forecast that. So anyway, the program has taken shape. We're executing it well. As to the question of what do we expect to flow through, I think the first thing is you got to look at the gross number, excluding the implementation costs, because implementation costs really are just kind of onetime capital costs in our view. So the run rate will benefit by the full amount. And then I think it's still a bit of an open question as to how much of that flows through. And it kind of depends on kind of where we are at that point in time and what our investment needs and priorities could be. So do we keep investing at the same pace in the Private Bank? And is it worth investing to keep on that trajectory and to generate more medium-term revenue growth? I think that's a TBD. So at this point, we're kind of just flagging here's the numbers, here's what we think is possible. We have a lot of wood to chop to actually execute this program, but we'll be reporting on it all along. And then we'll have, I think, more visibility into the flow-through as time goes by. If you look historically at all of our top programs, Ryan, we've had a significant flow-through. And so we tend to be very disciplined on the remaining expense base. We have this mindset of continuous improvement. If we want to invest new dollars, try to figure out where to pinch the expense base to self-fund that. So I would expect that the flow-through should be high, but we're not going to make that call at this point. We're just going to give you the contours of what the program could deliver. | **Bruce Van Saun:** ๋ค, ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ ์ง๋ฌธ ๊ณต๊ฐ ํ๋ณดํ์
จ๋ค์. ์ข์ ์ ๋ต์
๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ์์ ์์ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ๊ตฌ์ฒดํ๋์๊ณ ์ฝ 50๊ฐ์ ์
๋ฌด ์คํธ๋ฆผ์ด ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ๋ชจ๋ ์ ๋ด ์กฐ์ง์ ๋ฐฐ์ ๋์ด ๊ฐ ์คํธ๋ฆผ๋ณ๋ก ๋ด๋น์๋ค์ด ์ถ์งํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ธ๋ ๋จ์ด ์ ์ฒด ์
๋ฌด๋ฅผ ์ด๊ดํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ ๊ทธ์ชฝ์์๋ ๋ณด์ถฉ ์ค๋ช
์ด ๊ฐ๋ฅํ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ๋ก์๋ ๊ฐ ์
๋ฌด ์คํธ๋ฆผ๋ณ๋ก ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ณ ๊ฐ์์ฑ์ ํ๋ณดํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์คํ ๋น์ฉ์ด ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๋ฐ์ํ๊ณ ํจ์ต์ด ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๋ํ๋๊ธฐ ์์ํ๋์ง ํ์
ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๊ธฐ์ ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ์ค ์ ์ ์๊ฐ์ด ์ง๋จ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ๋งค์ถ ์ธก๋ฉด์ ํจ์ต์ด ์ฆ๊ฐํ๊ธฐ ์์ํ๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ๊ฐ์ ๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ๊ฒฝํ์ ํตํด ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์ดํ์ด ๊ฐ์ํ๊ณ , ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ธต์ ์ ํ ํ์ฉ๋๊ฐ ํฅ์๋๋ฉด์ ๋ํ๋๋ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ์
๋๋ค. ์ด ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ์์ธก ๊ฐ๋ฅ์ฑ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ์ ๋ง ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํ๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด์จ๋ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ๊ตฌ์ฒดํ๋์๊ณ , ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ด๋ฅผ ์ ์คํํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ผ๋ง๋ ์ค์ ์ ๋ฐ์๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ๋๋๋ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋ํด์๋, ๋จผ์ ์คํ ๋น์ฉ์ ์ ์ธํ ์ด์ก์ ๋ด์ผ ํ๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ์คํ ๋น์ฉ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ด์ ์์ ์ผํ์ฑ ์๋ณธ ๋น์ฉ์ ๋ถ๊ณผํ๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์
๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ๋ฐ๋ ์ดํธ(run rate)๋ ์ ์ฒด ๊ธ์ก๋งํผ ๊ฐ์ ๋ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ทธ ์ค ์ผ๋ง๋ ์ค์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ฐ์๋ ์ง๋ ์ฌ์ ํ ์ด๋ฆฐ ์ง๋ฌธ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ๊ทธ ์์ ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ด๋ค ์ํฉ์ ์๋์ง, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ํฌ์ ํ์์ฑ๊ณผ ์ฐ์ ์์๊ฐ ๋ฌด์์ธ์ง์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ๋ฌ๋ผ์ง๋๋ค. ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ
ํฌ(Private Bank)์ ๊ฐ์ ์๋๋ก ๊ณ์ ํฌ์ํ ๊ฒ์ธ๊ฐ? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ทธ ๊ถค๋๋ฅผ ์ ์งํ๊ณ ์ค๊ธฐ์ ์ธ ๋งค์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ์ฐฝ์ถํ๊ธฐ ์ํด ํฌ์ํ ๊ฐ์น๊ฐ ์๋์ง๋ ์์ง ๊ฒฐ์ ๋์ง ์์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ๋ก์๋ ์์น๊ฐ ์ด๋ ๊ณ , ๊ฐ๋ฅ์ฑ์ ์ด ์ ๋๋ผ๊ณ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ ๋จ๊ณ์
๋๋ค. ์ด ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ ์ค์ ๋ก ์คํํ๊ธฐ ์ํด ํด์ผ ํ ์ผ์ด ๋ง์ง๋ง, ์งํ ์ํฉ์ ๊ณ์ ๋ณด๊ณ ๋๋ฆด ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ์๊ฐ์ด ์ง๋๋ฉด์ ์์ต ์ ํ์ ๋ํ ๊ฐ์์ฑ๋ ๋ ํ๋ณด๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. Ryan, ์ญ์ฌ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์ฃผ์ ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ๋ค์ ๋ณด๋ฉด ์๋นํ ์์ต ์ ํ์ด ์์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๋๋จธ์ง ๋น์ฉ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ์ ๋ํด ๋งค์ฐ ๊ท์จ ์๊ฒ ๊ด๋ฆฌํ๋ ํธ์ ๋๋ค. ์ง์์ ์ธ ๊ฐ์ ์ด๋ผ๋ ๋ง์ธ๋๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์ง๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์๋ก์ด ํฌ์๋ฅผ ํ๊ณ ์ถ๋ค๋ฉด, ๋น์ฉ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ์์ ์ด๋๋ฅผ ์ค์ฌ์ ์์ฒด์ ์ผ๋ก ์ฌ์์ ๋ง๋ จํ ์ง ๊ณ ๋ฏผํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์์ต ์ ํ์จ(flow-through)์ด ๋์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ์ง๋ง, ํ ์์ ์์ ๊ทธ ๋ถ๋ถ์ ๋ํด ๋จ์ ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ์ง๋ ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ง๊ธ์ ์ด ํ๋ก๊ทธ๋จ์ด ์ ๊ณตํ ์ ์๋ ๋๋ต์ ์ธ ์ค๊ณฝ๋ง ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Ryan Nash: Goldman Sachs Group, Inc., Research Division Got it. And then if I look on Slide 27, your prior NIM walk had deposit betas in the low to mid-50s. I think now you're saying high 40s. Maybe just talk about what is driving the change? Is it competition or a change in your strategy? And what are some of the offsets that are allowing the NIM to still reach slightly higher levels versus the prior expectations? | **Ryan Nash:** ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 27์ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ด์ ์์ด์๋ง์ง(NIM) ์ํฌ์์๋ ์๊ธ ๋ฒ ํ๊ฐ 50% ์ด์ค๋ฐ๋์๋๋ฐ, ์ง๊ธ์ 40% ํ๋ฐ๋๋ก ๋ง์ํ์ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ๋ณํ๋ฅผ ์ด๋๋ ์์ธ์ด ๋ฌด์์ธ์ง ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๊น? ๊ฒฝ์ ๋๋ฌธ์ธ๊ฐ์, ์๋๋ฉด ๊ท์ฌ์ ์ ๋ต ๋ณํ ๋๋ฌธ์ธ๊ฐ์? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ด์ ์ ๋ง ๋๋น ์์ด์๋ง์ง์ด ์ฌ์ ํ ์ํญ ๋์ ์์ค์ ๋๋ฌํ ์ ์๊ฒ ํ๋ ์์ ์์ธ๋ค์ ๋ฌด์์ ๋๊น? |
| Bruce Van Saun: CEO & Chairman of the Board Yes. So what I would say is that when the rates first started to fall, the market was very aggressive in trying to recoup some of what happened on the way up. And what's happened since then, I think, is that the market is kind of less aggressive in its pricing actions at this point. And so you could call that maybe a little more competition or you could just say kind of a decision to share kind of some of those benefits with the customer and not be as aggressive. And so that high 40s to us is really the market. So we're not -- if we move down from mid -- low to mid-50s to high 40s, I think that's consistent with what we're seeing in the market. And the reason that I still think we're in a very good position to deliver on that NIM walk are several factors contributing to that. But one is our confidence in our net interest -- our noninterest-bearing balance growth, which has stayed robust in the Private Bank and in the consumer bank, in particular, and stable in the commercial bank. And so we, I think, score well on that dimension. You know that we're also slightly asset sensitive, and our view is that rates will come down, but maybe not as much as feared initially. So I think that is a helpful fact for us as well. And then over time, we've continued to, I think, be very disciplined in our hedging actions. And so we've been adding in hedges at attractive rates. So I think it's the combination of those 3 things, the kind of noninterest balances, the higher -- a little bit of asset sensitivity and a higher rate outlook and then these attractive hedging actions that we've taken would offset that beta dropping from where it was to the high 40s. | **Bruce Van Saun:** ๋ค, ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ์๋ฉด ๊ธ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ฒ์ ํ๋ฝํ๊ธฐ ์์ํ์ ๋, ์์ฅ์ ์์น ๊ณผ์ ์์ ๋ฐ์ํ๋ ์์ค์ ๋งํํ๊ธฐ ์ํด ๋งค์ฐ ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์ ์ธ ์์ง์์ ๋ณด์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ ์ดํ๋ก๋ ์์ฅ์ด ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ์ฑ ์ ์ ์์ด์ ์์ ๋งํผ ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์ ์ด์ง ์์ ๋ชจ์ต์ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฒฝ์์ด ๋ค์ ์ฌํ๋์๋ค๊ณ ๋ณผ ์๋ ์๊ณ , ์๋๋ฉด ๊ณ ๊ฐ๊ณผ ํํ์ ์ผ๋ถ ๊ณต์ ํ๊ธฐ๋ก ๊ฒฐ์ ํ๋ฉด์ ๋ ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์ ์ธ ์์ธ๋ฅผ ์ทจํ๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ณผ ์๋ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ 40%๋ ํ๋ฐ์ด ํ์ฌ ์์ฅ ์ํฉ์ ๋ฐ์ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ๋ด ๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๊ฐ 50%๋ ์ด์ค๋ฐ์์ 40%๋ ํ๋ฐ์ผ๋ก ๋ด๋ ค๊ฐ๋ค๋ฉด, ์ด๋ ์์ฅ์์ ๋ชฉ๊ฒฉํ๊ณ ์๋ ์ํฉ๊ณผ ์ผ์นํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ ๊ฐ ์ฌ์ ํ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ NIM ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ฅผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ ์ ์๋ ๋งค์ฐ ์ข์ ์์น์ ์๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํ๋ ์ด์ ๋ ์ฌ๋ฌ ์์ธ๋ค์ด ๊ธฐ์ฌํ๊ณ ์๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ์ฒซ ๋ฒ์งธ๋ ๋ฌด์ด์ ์๊ธ ์์ก ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ํ ํ์ ์ ๋๋ค. ํนํ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ์ ์๋น์ ์ํ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ๊ฒฌ์กฐํ ์ฑ์ฅ์ธ๋ฅผ ์ ์งํ๊ณ ์๊ณ , ์์ ์ํ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์๋ ์์ ์ ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ด ๋ถ๋ถ์์ ์ข์ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ด๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ด ๋๋ค. ๋ํ ์์๋ค์ํผ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ฝ๊ฐ ์์ฐ ๋ฏผ๊ฐํ(asset sensitive) ๊ตฌ์กฐ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์ง๊ณ ์๋๋ฐ, ๊ธ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ํ๋ฝํ๊ฒ ์ง๋ง ์ด๊ธฐ์ ์ฐ๋ คํ๋ ๊ฒ๋งํผ์ ์๋ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๋ ๊ฒ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ๊ฒฌํด์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์๊ฒ ๋์์ด ๋๋ ์์๋ผ๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์๊ฐ์ด ์ง๋๋ฉด์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ํค์ง ํ๋์์ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ท์จ ์๋ ์ ๊ทผ์ ์ง์ํด์์ต๋๋ค. ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ๊ธ๋ฆฌ ์์ค์์ ํค์ง๋ฅผ ์ถ๊ฐํด์๊ณ ์. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ด ์ธ ๊ฐ์ง ์์์ ์กฐํฉ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ฌด์ด์ ์์ก, ์ฝ๊ฐ์ ์์ฐ ๋ฏผ๊ฐ๋ ์์น๊ณผ ๋์์ง ๊ธ๋ฆฌ ์ ๋ง, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ทจํ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ํค์ง ์กฐ์น๋ค์ด ๋ฒ ํ๊ฐ ๊ธฐ์กด ์์ค์์ 40%๋ ํ๋ฐ์ผ๋ก ํ๋ฝํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ์์ํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Our next question comes from Erika Najarian with UBS. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ UBS์ ์๋ฆฌ์นด ๋์๋ฆฌ์ ์ ๋๋ฆฌ์คํธ๋ก๋ถํฐ ๋ฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| L. Erika Penala: UBS Investment Bank, Research Division Just wanted to ask about the puts and takes on the loan growth guide. It feels like a bit of a sort of best-in-class relative to peers. Maybe remind us, Bruce, in terms of where you are in your balance sheet optimization journey. And as we come to a point where rates may come down, talk to us about the push-pull in terms of optimizing CRE versus taking advantage of potential refinancing opportunities? | **L. Erika Penala:** UBS ์ธ๋ฒ ์คํธ๋จผํธ ๋ฑ ํฌ ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ๋์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค์ ์์น ์์ธ๊ณผ ํ๋ฝ ์์ธ์ ๋ํด ์ฌ์ญ๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. ๋์ข ์ ๊ณ ๋๋น ์ต๊ณ ์์ค์ธ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์๋ฐ์. Bruce, ํ์ฌ ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ ์ต์ ํ ๊ณผ์ ์์ ์ด๋ ๋จ๊ณ์ ์ ์๋์ง ๋ค์ ํ๋ฒ ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๊น? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ธ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ํ๋ฝํ ์ ์๋ ์์ ์ด ๋ค๊ฐ์ค๋ฉด์, ์์ ์ฉ ๋ถ๋์ฐ(CRE) ์ต์ ํ์ ์ ์ฌ์ ์ธ ๋ฆฌํ์ด๋ธ์ฑ ๊ธฐํ ํ์ฉ ๊ฐ์ ์์ถฉ ๊ด๊ณ์ ๋ํด ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค. |
| Bruce Van Saun: CEO & Chairman of the Board Yes. So I'd say our confidence in that loan outlook stems from actually what we're seeing and what we delivered in the second half of the year. So we have an idiosyncratic growth driver in the Private Bank as they scale up their business. That's something our peer banks don't have. And so that continues at a good clip. And then I think the focus of the commercial bank in terms of the middle market and our expansion markets plus some of the kind of private capital and sponsor lines also has been an area of opportunity for us. And then kind of in the consumer bank, we have the market-leading HELOC product and also mortgage. And so we've seen growth across all 3 of those areas in Q3 and in Q4, and we think that will continue. In kind of prior years, that growth was offset by the accelerated rundown of non-core, but now we have non-core kind of at -- kind of almost at a stub at this point from $14 billion down to like $2.5 billion. And then we've done a lot of work already on the commercial BSO and on the Commercial Real Estate kind of rundown after the Investors acquisition. And so there's a slide in the back, Erika, which you may have seen or may not have seen, but kind of lays down some of the reductions in the drag from those efforts, which also contributes to positive sentiment on loan growth. So those are the kind of big things. I'll just maybe flip it over first to Don to talk a little bit about commercial and then Brendan to talk about the Private Bank and consumer. | **Bruce Van Saun:** ๋ค, ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ๋์ถ ์ ๋ง์ ๋ํด ํ์ ์ ๊ฐ๋ ์ด์ ๋ ์ค์ ๋ก ํ๋ฐ๊ธฐ์ ๋ณด์ฌ๋๋ฆฐ ์ฑ๊ณผ์ ํ์ฌ ์งํ ์ํฉ์ ๊ทผ๊ฑฐํฉ๋๋ค. ํ๋ผ์ด๋น๋ฑ
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์ ํ์ฅํ๋ฉด์ ์์ฒด์ ์ธ ์ฑ์ฅ ๋๋ ฅ์ ํ๋ณดํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ๊ฒฝ์ ์ํ๋ค์ด ๊ฐ์ง ๋ชปํ ๊ฐ์ ์ด์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ด๋ฌํ ์ฑ์ฅ์ธ๋ ๊ณ์ ์ข์ ์๋๋ก ์ด์ด์ง๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ํ ์ปค๋จธ์ ๋ฑ ํฌ(Commercial Bank)์์๋ ์ค๊ฒฌ๊ธฐ์ ์์ฅ๊ณผ ์ ๊ท ํ์ฅ ์ง์ญ์ ์ง์คํ๊ณ ์๊ณ , ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ์บํผํ(private capital)๊ณผ ์คํฐ์ ๋ผ์ธ ๋ถ๋ฌธ๋ ์ ํฌ์๊ฒ ์ข์ ๊ธฐํ ์์ญ์ด ๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์๋น์๊ธ์ต ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์๋ ์์ฅ์ ์ ๋ํ๋ ์ฃผํ๋ด๋ณด๋์ถ(HELOC) ์ํ๊ณผ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง ์ํ์ ๋ณด์ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. 3๋ถ๊ธฐ์ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ด ์ธ ๊ฐ์ง ์์ญ ๋ชจ๋์์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ธ๋ฅผ ํ์ธํ๊ณ , ์ด๋ฌํ ์ถ์ธ๋ ๊ณ์๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ์๋ ์ด๋ฌํ ์ฑ์ฅ์ด ๋นํต์ฌ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ๊ฐ์ํ๋ ์ถ์๋ก ์์๋์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ง๊ธ์ ๋นํต์ฌ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ด 140์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ์์ ์ฝ 25์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ์์ค์ผ๋ก ๊ฑฐ์ ๋ง๋ฌด๋ฆฌ ๋จ๊ณ์ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์์ BSO์ Investors ์ธ์ ์ดํ ์์ ์ฉ ๋ถ๋์ฐ ์ถ์ ์์ ๋ ์ด๋ฏธ ์๋น ๋ถ๋ถ ์งํํ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ท๋ถ๋ถ์ ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋๊ฐ ์๋๋ฐ์, Erika, ๋ณด์ จ์ ์๋ ์๊ณ ์๋ ์๋ ์์ง๋ง, ์ด๋ฌํ ๋ ธ๋ ฅ๋ค๋ก ์ธํ ๋ถ๋ด ๊ฐ์ ๋ด์ฉ์ด ์ ๋ฆฌ๋์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ๋ ๋์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ํ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ธ ์ ๋ง์ ๊ธฐ์ฌํ๋ ์์์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ๋ค์ด ์ฃผ์ ๋ด์ฉ์ ๋๋ค. ๋จผ์ Don์๊ฒ ์์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ๋ํด ์ด์ผ๊ธฐํด๋ฌ๋ผ๊ณ ํ๊ณ , ๊ทธ ๋ค์ Brendan์๊ฒ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ์ ์๋น์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ๋ํด ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋๋ก ํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Donald McCree: Chair of Commercial Banking Yes. I'll start, Erika, by just talking about the environment. I mean across the board, we're seeing positive sentiment from the client base. So Bruce mentioned the expansion markets, they're growing. So I think New York, California, Florida, they're growing extremely quickly. Those are core middle market relationships with full wallet realization. So not only is loan growth materializing, but we're also seeing it from an ROE standpoint being very attractive business. We're seeing -- remember, for most of the last 2 or 3 years, the market has been really a refinancing market. I think Aunoy mentioned that. We're seeing new money demand, both in our core client base, which is translating into utilization growth. And we're seeing it powerfully in the sponsor business where the sponsors finally seem to be coming alive, and that will impact not only our Capital Markets businesses, but also our NBFI lending as we engage with the private capital community, both on the PE capital call lines and private capital leveraging lines. So across the board, a pretty strong environment to be operating in. And that should drive higher levels of loan growth as we look into '26 and beyond. We were probably running close to $1 billion of C&I BSO over the last few years, that really is down to BAU. We're pretty much done with that. If it was going to be $0.5 billion, I'd be surprised, but it will be just a continuous kind of rhythm of cleaning out under-returning relationships and replacing them with new relationships. And then the change in real estate, we're going to continue to trim the real estate exposures, but we're beginning to turn on the origination engine, and that's both Private Bank and commercial bank, and we will be replacing some of the BSO that's happening with some attractive opportunities as we see them in the marketplace. So what was a pure drag in the past will be a little bit less of a drag in the future, although we'll continue to kind of trend that down, but BSO will become less of a drag on the overall loan growth. | **Donald McCree:** ๋ค, ์๋ฆฌ์นด, ๋จผ์ ์์ฅ ํ๊ฒฝ์ ๋ํด ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ธ ์ฌ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ํ์ธํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ธ๋ฃจ์ค๊ฐ ์ธ๊ธํ ํ์ฅ ์์ฅ๋ค์ด ์ฑ์ฅํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ด์, ์บ๋ฆฌํฌ๋์, ํ๋ก๋ฆฌ๋ค๊ฐ ๋งค์ฐ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ฑ์ฅํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ค์ ์ ์ฒด ์ง๊ฐ ์ ์ ์จ์ ์คํํ๋ ํต์ฌ ์ค๊ฒฌ๊ธฐ์
๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์
๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ๋์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ๋ฟ๋ง ์๋๋ผ ์๊ธฐ์๋ณธ์ด์ต๋ฅ (ROE) ๊ด์ ์์๋ ๋งค์ฐ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ์ฌ์
์ผ๋ก ๋ํ๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ง๋ 2~3๋ ๊ฐ ์์ฅ์ ๋๋ถ๋ถ ๋ฆฌํ์ด๋ธ์ฑ ์์ฅ์ด์์ต๋๋ค. ์๋์ด๋ ์ด๋ฅผ ์ธ๊ธํ์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ๋ ํต์ฌ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ธต์์ ์ ๊ท ์๊ธ ์์๊ฐ ๋ํ๋๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ์ฌ์ ์ฌ์ฉ๋ฅ ์ฆ๊ฐ๋ก ์ด์ด์ง๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ด๊ฒ์ด ์คํฐ์ ๋น์ฆ๋์ค์์ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ๊ฒ ๋ํ๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์คํฐ์๋ค์ด ๋ง์นจ๋ด ํ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ ๊ธฐ ์์ํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ์๋ณธ์์ฅ ์ฌ์ ๋ฟ๋ง ์๋๋ผ NBFI ๋์ถ์๋ ์ํฅ์ ๋ฏธ์น ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. PE ์บํผํ ์ฝ ๋ผ์ธ(capital call lines)๊ณผ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ์บํผํ ๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง ๋ผ์ธ ๋ชจ๋์์ ์ฌ๋ชจ ์๋ณธ ์ปค๋ฎค๋ํฐ์ ํ๋ ฅํ๋ฉด์ ๋ง์ด์ฃ . ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ฌ์ ์ ์์ํ๊ธฐ์ ์๋นํ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ํ๊ฒฝ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ 26๋ ๊ณผ ๊ทธ ์ดํ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ๋ผ๋ณผ ๋ ๋ ๋์ ์์ค์ ๋์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๊ฒฌ์ธํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ง๋ ๋ช ๋ ๊ฐ C&I BSO๊ฐ ์ฝ 10์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ์์ค์ผ๋ก ์ด์๋์๋๋ฐ, ์ด์ ๋ ์ ์ ์์ค์ผ๋ก ๋ด๋ ค์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ฑฐ์ ๋ง๋ฌด๋ฆฌ ๋จ๊ณ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. 5์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ๊ท๋ชจ๊ฐ ๋ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ง๋ ์์ต๋๋ค๋ง, ์์ต์ฑ์ด ๋ฎ์ ๊ฑฐ๋์ฒ๋ค์ ์ ๋ฆฌํ๊ณ ์๋ก์ด ๊ฑฐ๋์ฒ๋ก ๊ต์ฒดํ๋ ์์ ์ด ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ์ด๋ฃจ์ด์ง ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ถ๋์ฐ ๊ด๋ จํด์๋ ์ต์คํฌ์ ๋ฅผ ๊ณ์ ์ถ์ํด ๋๊ฐ๊ฒ ์ง๋ง, ๋์์ ๋์ถ ์์ง์ ๊ฐ๋ํ๊ธฐ ์์ํ์ต๋๋ค. ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ์ ์์ ์ํ ์์ชฝ ๋ชจ๋์์ ์งํ ์ค์ด๋ฉฐ, ์์ฅ์์ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ๊ธฐํ๋ค์ด ๋ณด์ด๋ฉด ๋ฐ์ํ๋ BSO์ ์ผ๋ถ๋ฅผ ๋์ฒดํด ๋๊ฐ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ์๋ ์์ํ๊ฒ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ์ ํดํ๋ ์์ธ์ด์๋ค๋ฉด, ์์ผ๋ก๋ ๊ทธ ์ ํด ํจ๊ณผ๊ฐ ๋ค์ ์ค์ด๋ค ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ธ ์ถ์ธ๋ ๊ณ์ ํํฅ ์กฐ์ ํ๊ฒ ์ง๋ง, BSO๊ฐ ์ ์ฒด ๋์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ฏธ์น๋ ๋ถ์ ์ ์ํฅ์ ์ ์ฐจ ๊ฐ์ํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Brendan Coughlin: President & Vice Chair On my side, maybe 3 points here. One, similar to Don, the headwind on non-core is reducing. So just to give you some numbers around it, 6, 7 quarters ago, we were dealing with $1 billion, $1.1 billion in quarter-on-quarter rundown of non-core. That exited Q4 at $0.5 billion, and that's going to continue to minimize as we look forward into 2026. So that's a real positive to see that wrap through the cycle. We've seen really strong growth in private banking, point number two, and it's been really balanced across private equity, residential lending and multifamily granular high-quality commercial real estate where we have access to full relationships with Wealth Management. One of the dynamics we were facing early in 2025 is with rates high, there was a lot of cash out in the system with this client base, and they were hesitant to go in and finance things with debt with rates as high as they were. That is starting to change. And as the rates ease a bit, we expect loan growth demand to pick up in the Private Bank and our run rate to improve further. So we've got confidence there that the pace of growth in the Private Bank will continue to accelerate as we look into 2026. And then in consumer, as Bruce mentioned, we're getting $700 million to $800 million in quarter-on-quarter growth in HELOC. We're #1 in net balance sheet growth in the United States, #1 in originations in the United States in HELOC and a very high credit quality book with 95% plus of the customers coming with DDA and deep relationship-based banking. We expect that to continue. And candidly, with rates pulling back, but not so far to cater through a 5% mortgage rate, at least in the forward outlook, it's really a perfect time period for HELOC, where there's not going to be a ton of mortgage refinancing activity, but huge amounts of equity built up with consumers. So we're very, very well positioned to continue to monetize the HELOC capability we've put in place. And of course, in the second half of last year, we launched a credit card portfolio, which we expect will start to pay some dividends as we get into 2026 first half and second half with higher yielding, higher quality balances. So for all those reasons, I feel really good about continued pickup in net loan growth. The other thing I would just mention wrapping up here is it's important to look at the net loan growth number. But under the covers, there's a quality story that you need to pay attention to of the balance sheet remixing to deep relationship-based customer lending, higher yielding, higher profitability, both on the balance sheet, but also the net customers we're bringing in, moving away from single service to a really, really deep relationship-based bank. So I think we've got confidence on winning on both dimensions, quantity plus quality. | **Brendan Coughlin:** ์ ์ชฝ์์๋ ์ธ ๊ฐ์ง ์ ๋ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฒซ์งธ, Don๊ณผ ๋ง์ฐฌ๊ฐ์ง๋ก ๋นํต์ฌ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ์ญํ์ด ์ค์ด๋ค๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ์์น๋ฅผ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, 6~7๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ ์๋ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น ๋นํต์ฌ ๋ถ๋ฌธ ์ถ์ ๊ท๋ชจ๊ฐ 10์ต~11์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ์์ต๋๋ค. 4๋ถ๊ธฐ์๋ ์ด๊ฒ์ด 5์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ก ๊ฐ์ํ๊ณ , 2026๋
์ ๋ฐ๋ผ๋ณด๋ฉด์ ๊ณ์ํด์ ์ต์ํ๋ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ์ฌ์ดํด ์ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฑธ์ณ ์ด๋ฐ ํ๋ฆ์ ๋ณด๋ ๊ฒ์ ์ ๋ง ๊ธ์ ์ ์
๋๋ค. ๋ ๋ฒ์งธ๋ก, ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ
ํน์์ ์ ๋ง ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ณด์๊ณ , ์ด๋ ์ฌ๋ชจํ๋, ์ฃผ๊ฑฐ์ฉ ๋์ถ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์์ฐ๊ด๋ฆฌ ๋ถ๋ฌธ๊ณผ์ ์ ์ฒด ๊ด๊ณ๋ฅผ ํตํด ์ ๊ทผํ ์ ์๋ ๋ค๊ฐ๊ตฌ ์ธ๋ถํ๋ ๊ณ ํ์ง ์์
์ฉ ๋ถ๋์ฐ ์ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฑธ์ณ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ท ํ ์กํ ์ฑ์ฅ์ด์์ต๋๋ค. 2025๋
์ด์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ง๋ฉดํ๋ ์ํฉ ์ค ํ๋๋ ๊ธ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๋์ ์ํฉ์์ ์ด ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ธต์ด ๋ณด์ ํ ํ๊ธ์ด ๋ง์๊ณ , ๋น์ ๋์ ๊ธ๋ฆฌ๋ก ๋ถ์ฑ๋ฅผ ํตํด ์๊ธ์ ์กฐ๋ฌํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๊บผ๋ คํ๋ค๋ ์ ์
๋๋ค. ์ด์ ๊ทธ ์ํฉ์ด ๋ณํํ๊ธฐ ์์ํ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ธ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๋ค์ ์ํ๋๋ฉด์ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ
ํฌ(Private Bank)์์ ๋์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ ์์๊ฐ ์ฆ๊ฐํ๊ณ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์คํ๋ฅ (run rate)๋ ๋์ฑ ๊ฐ์ ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ 2026๋
์ ๋ฐ๋ผ๋ณด๋ฉด์ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ
ํฌ์ ์ฑ์ฅ ์๋๊ฐ ๊ณ์ ๊ฐ์ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๋ ํ์ ์ ๊ฐ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์๋น์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์๋ Bruce๊ฐ ์ธ๊ธํ๋ฏ์ด HELOC(์ฃผํ๋ด๋ณด๋์ถํ๋)์์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น 7์ต~8์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๊ธฐ๋กํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์์ ์ ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ ์ฑ์ฅ 1์, ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๋ด HELOC ์ทจ๊ธ์ก 1์๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ 95% ์ด์์ด ์๊ตฌ๋ถ์๊ธ๊ณ์ข(DDA)๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ ํ ๋งค์ฐ ๋์ ์ ์ฉ ํ์ง์ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค๋ฅผ ์ด์ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ๊น์ด ์๋ ๊ด๊ณ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ ๋ฑ
ํน์์ ๋น๋กฏ๋ ๊ฒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ฌํ ์ถ์ธ๋ ๊ณ์๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. ์์งํ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ๊ธ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ํ๋ฝํ๊ณ ์์ง๋ง ์ ์ด๋ ํฅํ ์ ๋ง์ ์ฃผํ๋ด๋ณด๋์ถ ๊ธ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ 5%๋ฅผ ๊ดํตํ ์ ๋๋ ์๋ ์ํฉ์์, HELOC์๋ ์ ๋ง ์๋ฒฝํ ์๊ธฐ์
๋๋ค. ์ฃผํ๋ด๋ณด๋์ถ ๋ฆฌํ์ด๋ธ์ฑ ํ๋์ ๋ง์ง ์๊ฒ ์ง๋ง, ์๋น์๋ค์ด ์ถ์ ํ ์๊ธฐ์๋ณธ์ ์์ฒญ๋๊ฒ ๋ง๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์
๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๊ตฌ์ถํด ์จ HELOC ์ญ๋์ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ์์ตํํ๋ ๋ฐ ๋งค์ฐ ์ ๋ฆฌํ ์์น์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก ์๋
ํ๋ฐ๊ธฐ์ ์ ์ฉ์นด๋ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค๋ฅผ ์ถ์ํ๋๋ฐ, ์ด๋ 2026๋
์๋ฐ๊ธฐ์ ํ๋ฐ๊ธฐ์ ๋ ๋์ ์์ต๋ฅ ๊ณผ ๋ ์ฐ์ํ ํ์ง์ ์์ก์ผ๋ก ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ด๊ธฐ ์์ํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๊ธฐ๋ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ๋ชจ๋ ์ด์ ๋ก ์๋์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ์ง์์ ์ธ ์ฆ๊ฐ์ ๋ํด ๋งค์ฐ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ง์ง๋ง์ผ๋ก ํ ๊ฐ์ง ๋ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ถ์ ๊ฒ์, ์๋์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ ์์น๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ ๊ฒ๋ ์ค์ํ์ง๋ง, ๊ทธ ์ด๋ฉด์๋ ์ฃผ๋ชฉํด์ผ ํ ์ง์ ์ธ ์คํ ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์๋ค๋ ์ ์ ๋๋ค. ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ๊ฐ ๊น์ ๊ด๊ณ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ๋์ถ๋ก ์ฌํธ๋๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ์์ผ๋ก๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ ์นํ๋ ์ ๊ท ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ๋ชจ๋ ๋ ๋์ ์์ต๋ฅ ๊ณผ ๋ ๋์ ์์ต์ฑ์ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋จ์ผ ์๋น์ค์์ ๋ฒ์ด๋ ์ ๋ง๋ก ๊น์ ๊ด๊ณ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ์ ์ํ์ผ๋ก ์ ํํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ ํฌ๋ ์์ ์ธ ์ธก๋ฉด๊ณผ ์ง์ ์ธ ์ธก๋ฉด ๋ชจ๋์์ ์ฐ์๋ฅผ ์ ํ ์ ์๋ค๋ ํ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ง๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Our next question comes from Manan Gosalia with Morgan Stanley. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋ชจ๊ฑด์คํ ๋ฆฌ์ Manan Gosalia๋๊ป์ ์ฃผ์ จ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Manan Gosalia: Morgan Stanley, Research Division I wanted to start on the fee side. Can you expand a little bit on the underlying assumptions of the fees? I mean it feels like the Private Bank is doing well. Capital Markets are doing well. Pipelines are strong. You had a survey out recently talking about M&A expanding on the middle market side. There's also been some push out from the fourth quarter into 2026. Just given all of that, it feels like the fee guide is a little conservative. So can you help us with some of the underlying assumptions there? | **Manan Gosalia:** ์์๋ฃ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ๋ํด ๋จผ์ ์ง๋ฌธ๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. ์์๋ฃ ์ ๋ง์ ๊ธฐ์ ๊ฐ์ ๋ค์ ์ข ๋ ์์ธํ ์ค๋ช ํด ์ฃผ์ค ์ ์์๊น์? ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ(Private Bank)๊ฐ ์ข์ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ด๊ณ ์๊ณ , ์๋ณธ์์ฅ ๋ถ๋ฌธ๋ ์ํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ํ์ดํ๋ผ์ธ๋ ํํํฉ๋๋ค. ์ต๊ทผ ๋ฐํํ์ ์๋ฒ ์ด์์๋ ์ค๊ฐ์์ฅ(middle market) ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ M&A๊ฐ ํ๋๋๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ํ์ จ๊ณ ์. ๋ฌผ๋ก 4๋ถ๊ธฐ์์ 2026๋ ์ผ๋ก ์ผ๋ถ ์ด์ฐ๋ ๊ฑด๋ค๋ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด ๋ชจ๋ ์ํฉ์ ๊ณ ๋ คํ๋ฉด ์์๋ฃ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๊ฐ ๋ค์ ๋ณด์์ ์ผ๋ก ๋๊ปด์ง๋๋ฐ์. ์ด์ ๋ํ ๊ธฐ์ ๊ฐ์ ๋ค์ ์ค๋ช ํด ์ฃผ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๊น? |
| Bruce Van Saun: CEO & Chairman of the Board Yes. So I'll start and others can chime in. But we had a very strong fee year in 2025. So we'll start with that. We were up 11%. And then to guide up next year, 6% to 8% is still kind of good growth on top of very strong growth that we had in '25. I'd say the outlook for '26 is led by the capital markets, where not only do we have strong pipelines, we have several things going for us. One is the carryover. So we have about $20 million of fees that carries over that will close in the first quarter. And then in the first half of 2025, we had kind of soft comparisons, I would say, because of the uncertainty in Liberation Day tariffs. There's a lot of pent-up demand to do deals that started to flow again in the second half of the year. So again, I think Capital Markets should have a strong relative year. And again, who knows about the uncertainty in the tariffs. And it seems like Groundhog Day, we might be in that same movie replaying. But I think that's one of the reasons why, overall, it's good to have a little bit of caution in that guide of 6% to 8%. You just don't know. But at this point, Capital Markets look like it will have an extremely strong year. Wealth has been having record quarter after record quarter. And that's a twofold benefit. It's not only kind of getting the teams in place of recruiting these lift-outs and then connecting them to the Private Bank relationships and the corporate bank relationships, which creates its own growth dynamic. But then also in the branch-based system, we've got great leadership there, great product set. We're really hitting our stride. So I think Wealth would be other shining star. Across the rest of the patch, we don't see significant growth in many of the other areas like service charges on deposit accounts, mortgage. Our other income was flattered. We had like the moon and the stars align for a couple of quarters that might not repeat in 2026. So I think just having a level of conservatism there seems like the way to play it. | **Bruce Van Saun:** ๋ค, ์ ๊ฐ ๋จผ์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋ค๋ฅธ ๋ถ๋ค์ด ๋ณด์ถฉํ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. 2025๋
์ ์์๋ฃ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ํ ํด์์ต๋๋ค. 11% ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋ด๋
์ 6%์์ 8% ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๊ฐ์ด๋ํ๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ 25๋
์ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์ฑ์ฅ ์์ ๋ ๋ค์ ์ข์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ์ด์ด๊ฐ๋ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. 26๋ ์ ๋ง์ ์๋ณธ์์ฅ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ด ์ฃผ๋ํ๊ณ ์๋๋ฐ, ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ํ์ดํ๋ผ์ธ๋ฟ๋ง ์๋๋ผ ์ฌ๋ฌ ์ ๋ฆฌํ ์์ธ๋ค์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฒซ์งธ๋ ์ด์ ํจ๊ณผ์ ๋๋ค. 1๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๋ง๊ฐ๋ ์ฝ 2์ฒ๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ์ ์์๋ฃ๊ฐ ์ด์๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 2025๋ ์๋ฐ๊ธฐ์๋ ํด๋ฐฉ์ ๋ ๊ด์ธ ๋ฐํ๋ก ์ธํ ๋ถํ์ค์ฑ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๋น๊ต ๊ธฐ์ค์ด ๋ค์ ๋ฎ์๋ค๊ณ ํ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ฑฐ๋๋ฅผ ์ฑ์ฌ์ํค๋ ค๋ ์ต๋๋ฆฐ ์์๊ฐ ์๋นํ๊ณ , ์ด๊ฒ์ด ํ๋ฐ๊ธฐ๋ถํฐ ๋ค์ ํ๋ฅด๊ธฐ ์์ํ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ค์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ์ง๋ง, ์๋ณธ์์ฅ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ์๋์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ฐํ ํ ํด๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ผ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋ฉ๋๋ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก ๊ด์ธ ๋ถํ์ค์ฑ์ ๋ํด์๋ ๋๊ตฌ๋ ์ฅ๋ดํ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ง์น '์ฌ๋์ ๋ธ๋ํ' ์ํ์ฒ๋ผ ๊ฐ์ ์ํฉ์ด ๋ฐ๋ณต๋๋ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ๊ธฐ๋ ํฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ด๊ฒ์ด ๋ฐ๋ก ์ ์ฒด์ ์ผ๋ก 6~8% ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค์ ์ฝ๊ฐ์ ๋ณด์์ฑ์ ๋๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์ข์ ์ด์ ์ค ํ๋์ ๋๋ค. ์ ์ ์๋ ๋ถ๋ถ์ด ์์ผ๋๊น์. ๊ทธ๋ฌ๋ ํ ์์ ์์ ์๋ณธ์์ฅ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ํ ํด๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ผ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด์ ๋๋ค. ์์ฐ๊ด๋ฆฌ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ง๋ค ๊ธฐ๋ก์ ๊ฒฝ์ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ๋ ๊ฐ์ง ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ์ด์ ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋จ์ํ ํ์ ๊ตฌ์ฑํ๊ณ ์ธ์ฌ๋ฅผ ์์ ํ๋ ๊ฒ๋ฟ๋ง ์๋๋ผ, ์ด๋ค์ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น๋ฑ ํฌ ๊ด๊ณ์ ๊ธฐ์ ์ํ ๊ด๊ณ์ ์ฐ๊ฒฐ์ํค๋ฉด์ ์์ฒด์ ์ธ ์ฑ์ฅ ๋๋ ฅ์ ๋ง๋ค์ด๋ด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ง์ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ ์์คํ ์์๋ ํ๋ฅญํ ๋ฆฌ๋์ญ๊ณผ ์ฐ์ํ ์ํ ๋ผ์ธ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ถ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๋ง ์ ๋๋ก ๊ถค๋์ ์ฌ๋๋ค๊ณ ๋ด ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ์ฐ์ค(Wealth) ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ด ๋ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์คํ๊ฐ ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ๋๋จธ์ง ์์ญ๋ค์ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์๊ธ๊ณ์ข ์๋น์ค ์์๋ฃ๋ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง ๊ฐ์ ๋ค๋ฅธ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์๋ ํฐ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๊ธฐ๋ํ๊ธฐ ์ด๋ ต์ต๋๋ค. ๊ธฐํ ์์ต์ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ ์ข ๋ถํ๋ ค์ง ๋ฉด์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ง๋ ๋ช ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋์ ๋ฌ๊ณผ ๋ณ์ด ์ผ์ง์ ์ผ๋ก ์ ๋ ฌ๋ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ ์ํฉ์ด์๋๋ฐ, ์ด๊ฒ 2026๋ ์ ๋ฐ๋ณต๋์ง๋ ์์ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ์ด ๋ถ๋ถ์์๋ ๋ณด์์ ์ธ ์ ๊ทผ์ ์ทจํ๋ ๊ฒ ๋ง๋ค๊ณ ๋ด ๋๋ค. |
| Manan Gosalia: Morgan Stanley, Research Division Very helpful. And then maybe pivoting over to the capital side. It looks like your buyback guide is a little more front-end loaded. And then you spoke about the fact that you're hopeful that the SCB will come down this year. I guess the question is how important is the stress test in terms of your comfort level in bringing the CET1 ratio closer to your medium-term targets of like 10% to 10.5%? How quickly can you do that? And where would getting into that range put you in terms of buybacks as you get into the back half of the year? | **Manan Gosalia:** ๋งค์ฐ ๋์์ด ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ผ ์๋ณธ ์ธก๋ฉด์ผ๋ก ๋์ด๊ฐ์ ์ง๋ฌธ๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์์ฌ์ฃผ ๋งค์ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๊ฐ ์๋ฐ๊ธฐ์ ์ข ๋ ์ง์ค๋์ด ์๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฌํด SCB๊ฐ ํ๋ฝํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๊ธฐ๋ํ์ ๋ค๊ณ ๋ง์ํ์ จ๋๋ฐ์. ์ง๋ฌธ์ CET1 ๋น์จ์ ์ค๊ธฐ ๋ชฉํ์น์ธ 10~10.5% ์์ค์ผ๋ก ๋ฎ์ถ๋ ๋ฐ ์์ด์ ์คํธ๋ ์ค ํ ์คํธ๊ฐ ์ผ๋ง๋ ์ค์ํ ์์์ธ์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. ์ผ๋ง๋ ๋นจ๋ฆฌ ๊ทธ ์์ค๊น์ง ๋๋ฌํ ์ ์์๊น์? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ทธ ๋ฒ์์ ์ง์ ํ๊ฒ ๋๋ฉด ํ๋ฐ๊ธฐ ์์ฌ์ฃผ ๋งค์ ๊ท๋ชจ๋ ์ด๋ ์ ๋๊ฐ ๋ ๊น์? |
| Bruce Van Saun: CEO & Chairman of the Board Sure. Again, I'll take this one. I've been living it on this SCB frustration for years. But we are reasonably optimistic that there's some changes afoot down in Washington with the Fed. And so based on what we know, we think we'll get a better outcome. And it remains to be seen the timing of that implementation. But to me, it's less of an impact directly on where we set our capital targets. It's just been -- it's almost a scarlet letter that we have this outsized SCB when our business model is the same as most of our peers, and it just has been mismodeled, and I won't get into all of it, but we've made those points clear to the new folks that are going to be in charge of the stress test. So in any case, just falling back into the pack is good for us reputationally even if it doesn't affect exactly how we're going to manage the capital. I would say the reason that we're still on the high end of that 10% to 10.5% range is just still the amount of uncertainty that's in the environment. We have an upsurge in our profitability projected, but making sure that we get there and that we get the CRE worked out when we feel the environment is in a better place, and we've accomplished some of those aspects, then I think we could be in a position to start to migrate down within that range. But anyway, that's how we think about it. | **Bruce Van Saun:** ๋ค, ์ ๊ฐ ๋ต๋ณ๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๋ ์ด SCB ๋ฌธ์ ๋ก ์๋
๊ฐ ๊ณ ์ํด์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์์ฑํด์ ์ฐ์ค์์ ๋ช ๊ฐ์ง ๋ณํ๊ฐ ์ผ์ด๋๊ณ ์์ด์ ์๋นํ ๋๊ด์ ์
๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ์๊ณ ์๋ ๋ฐ๋ก๋ ๋ ๋์ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ์ป์ ์ ์์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ํ ์๊ธฐ๋ ์ง์ผ๋ด์ผ๊ฒ ์ง๋ง์. ์ ๊ฐ ๋ณด๊ธฐ์ ์ด๊ฒ์ด ์๋ณธ ๋ชฉํ ์ค์ ์ ์ง์ ์ ์ธ ์ํฅ์ ๋ฏธ์น๋ ๊ฒ์ ์๋๋๋ค. ๋ค๋ง ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ๋น์ฆ๋์ค ๋ชจ๋ธ์ด ๋๋ถ๋ถ์ ๊ฒฝ์์ฌ๋ค๊ณผ ๋์ผํจ์๋ ๋ถ๊ตฌํ๊ณ ๊ณผ๋ํ SCB๋ฅผ ๋ถ๊ณผ๋ฐ๊ณ ์๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ด ๋ง์น ์ฃผํ๊ธ์จ์ฒ๋ผ ๋๊ปด์ก์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ๋จ์ํ ์๋ชป ๋ชจ๋ธ๋ง๋ ๊ฒ์ด๊ณ , ์์ธํ ๋ด์ฉ๊น์ง ๋ค ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ์ง ์๊ฒ ์ง๋ง, ์คํธ๋ ์ค ํ ์คํธ๋ฅผ ๋ด๋นํ๊ฒ ๋ ์๋ก์ด ๋ด๋น์๋ค์๊ฒ ์ด๋ฌํ ์ ๋ค์ ๋ช ํํ ์ ๋ฌํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด์จ๋ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์ํ๋ค๊ณผ ๋น์ทํ ์์ค์ผ๋ก ๋์๊ฐ๋ ๊ฒ๋ง์ผ๋ก๋ ํํ ์ธก๋ฉด์์๋ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ ๋๋ค. ์ค์ ์๋ณธ ๊ด๋ฆฌ ๋ฐฉ์์ ์ํฅ์ ์ฃผ์ง ์๋๋ผ๋ ๋ง์ด์ฃ . ํ์ฌ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ฌ์ ํ 10%์์ 10.5% ๋ฒ์์ ์๋จ์ ์๋ ์ด์ ๋ ์์ฅ ํ๊ฒฝ์ ๋ถํ์ค์ฑ์ด ์ฌ์ ํ ํฌ๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ์์ต์ฑ ๊ฐ์ ์ด ์์๋๊ณ ์์ง๋ง, ์ค์ ๋ก ๊ทธ ๋ชฉํ๋ฅผ ๋ฌ์ฑํ๊ณ ์์ ์ฉ ๋ถ๋์ฐ(CRE) ๋ฌธ์ ๋ฅผ ํด๊ฒฐํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ํ์ธํด์ผ ํฉ๋๋ค. ์์ฅ ํ๊ฒฝ์ด ๋ ๋์์ง๊ณ ์ด๋ฌํ ๊ณผ์ ๋ค์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ๋ค๊ณ ํ๋จ๋๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๋ ํด๋น ๋ฒ์ ๋ด์์ ์ ์ง์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ฎ์ถฐ๊ฐ ์ ์๋ ์์น์ ์์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ด ๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ์ด๋ ๊ฒ ์๊ฐํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Our next question comes from John Pancari with Evercore ISI. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ์๋ฒ์ฝ์ด ISI์ ์กด ํฌ์นด๋ฆฌ ์ ๋๋ฆฌ์คํธ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Girard Sweeney: This is Girard Sweeney on for John. Just want to revisit the Private Bank build-out specifically. In that $11 billion to $13 billion in Private Bank-related loans in 2026, can you break down what loan categories within the Private Bank you're seeing growth? Any puts and takes there? And then longer term, how should we think about the loan-to-deposit ratio trending in the Private Bank? | **Girard Sweeney:** ์กด, ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ ํ์ฅ์ ๋ํด ๋ค์ ํ๋ฒ ์ฌ์ญ๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. 2026๋ ๊น์ง ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ ๊ด๋ จ ๋์ถ์ด 110์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ์์ 130์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ๊ท๋ชจ๋ก ์ฑ์ฅํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์ ๋งํ์ จ๋๋ฐ, ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ ๋ด์์ ์ด๋ค ๋์ถ ์นดํ ๊ณ ๋ฆฌ์์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ณด๊ณ ๊ณ์ ์ง ์ธ๋ถ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ค๋ช ํด ์ฃผ์ค ์ ์๋์? ๊ธ์ ์ ์์ธ๊ณผ ๋ถ์ ์ ์์ธ์ ๋ฌด์์ธ๊ฐ์? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฅ๊ธฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ์ ์๋์จ(loan-to-deposit ratio)์ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์ถ์ดํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ์๋์? |
| Brendan Coughlin: President & Vice Chair Yes, it's Brendan. I can take that. It's pretty balanced growth. So about 1/3 of it, I would say, is coming from C&I private equity-based lending. We have about half of the balance sheet is, I'd say, residential and real estate, so mortgage and granular multifamily commercial real estate, as I mentioned before, tied into deep wealth management-based clients. And then there's a smaller portion in sort of other consumer. So our HELOC capabilities are making their way over to these clients, some small credit cards, some specialty unsecured lending loans in the private banking portfolio, the PLP partner loans that we're leveraging to convert our private equity community into personal private banking relationships. So it's pretty broad-based, but the largest categories are C&I, granular multifamily, CRE and residential lending mortgage. We expect that to continue [ as rates to ] pull back. The traditional personal private banking should pick up. That would -- again, going to -- the portfolio will benefit from HELOC and continued residential lending. And as our card portfolio picks up, we have optimism that, that can be a more meaningful player in the Private Bank over time. | **Brendan Coughlin:** ๋ค, ์ ๊ฐ ๋ต๋ณ๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฑ์ฅ์ ์๋นํ ๊ท ํ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ด๋ฃจ์ด์ง๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฝ 3๋ถ์ 1 ์ ๋๊ฐ C&I ์ฌ๋ชจํ๋ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ ๋์ถ(private equity-based lending)์์ ๋์ค๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ์ ์ ๋ฐ ์ ๋๋ ์ฃผ๊ฑฐ์ฉ ๋ฐ ๋ถ๋์ฐ ๋ถ๋ฌธ, ์ฆ ๋ชจ๊ธฐ์ง์ ์๊ท๋ชจ ๋ค๊ฐ๊ตฌ ์์ ์ฉ ๋ถ๋์ฐ์ผ๋ก ๊ตฌ์ฑ๋์ด ์๋๋ฐ, ์์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฐ ๊ฒ์ฒ๋ผ ์ด๋ ์์ฐ๊ด๋ฆฌ ํต์ฌ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค๊ณผ ๊ธด๋ฐํ๊ฒ ์ฐ๊ฒฐ๋์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋๋จธ์ง ์๊ท๋ชจ ๋ถ๋ถ์ ๊ธฐํ ์๋น์ ๋์ถ์ ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์ฃผํ๋ด๋ณด๋์ถํ๋(HELOC) ์ํ๋ค์ด ์ด๋ฌํ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์๊ฒ ํ๋๋๊ณ ์๊ณ , ์ผ๋ถ ์์ก ์ ์ฉ์นด๋, ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํน ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค ๋ด ํนํ ๋ฌด๋ด๋ณด ๋์ถ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฌ๋ชจํ๋ ์ปค๋ฎค๋ํฐ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์ธ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํน ๊ด๊ณ๋ก ์ ํํ๊ธฐ ์ํด ํ์ฉํ๊ณ ์๋ PLP ํํธ๋ ๋์ถ ๋ฑ์ด ํฌํจ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ์๋นํ ๊ด๋ฒ์ํ๊ฒ ๋ถ์ฐ๋์ด ์์ง๋ง, ๊ฐ์ฅ ํฐ ์นดํ ๊ณ ๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ธฐ์ ๋์ถ(C&I), ์๊ท๋ชจ ๋ค๊ฐ๊ตฌ์ฃผํ, ์์ ์ฉ ๋ถ๋์ฐ(CRE), ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฃผํ๋ด๋ณด๋์ถ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ธ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ํ๋ฝํ๋ฉด ์ด๋ฌํ ์ถ์ธ๊ฐ ์ง์๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ ํต์ ์ธ ๊ฐ์ธ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํน ๋ถ๋ฌธ๋ ํ๋ณต๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค๋ ์ฃผํ๋ด๋ณด์ ์ฉ๋์ถ(HELOC)๊ณผ ์ง์์ ์ธ ์ฃผํ๋ด๋ณด๋์ถ๋ก ํํ์ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์นด๋ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค๊ฐ ์ฑ์ฅํ๋ฉด์, ์๊ฐ์ด ์ง๋จ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ์์ ๋์ฑ ์๋ฏธ ์๋ ์ญํ ์ ํ ์ ์์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋๊ดํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Bruce Van Saun: CEO & Chairman of the Board Yes. I would just add to that, that we've been in business now for a couple of years. We haven't had one -- I'm going to touch wood here when I say this, we haven't had $1 of credit losses, and that historically was the track record of these bankers when they operated on the First Republic platform. So very strong credit discipline, very deep relationships, lending to people that we know well and getting good credit results. | **Bruce Van Saun:** ๋ค, ์ฌ๊ธฐ์ ๋ง๋ถ์ด์๋ฉด, ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ฌ์ ์ ์์ํ ์ง ์ด์ 2๋ ์ ๋ ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ํ ๊ฑด๋ ์์์ต๋๋ค - ์ด ๋ง์ ํ ๋ ๋๋ฌด๋ฅผ ๋๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ถ๋ค์๋ง, 1๋ฌ๋ฌ์ ์ ์ฉ ์์ค๋ ์์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ด๊ฒ์ด ๋ฐ๋ก ์ด ์ํ๊ฐ๋ค์ด ํผ์คํธ ๋ฆฌํผ๋ธ๋ฆญ ํ๋ซํผ์์ ์ผํ ๋์ ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ ์ค์ ์ด๊ธฐ๋ ํฉ๋๋ค. ๋งค์ฐ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์ ์ฉ ๊ท์จ, ๋งค์ฐ ๊น์ ๊ด๊ณ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ ์๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์๊ฒ ๋์ถํ๋ฉด์ ์ข์ ์ ์ฉ ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ฑฐ๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Brendan Coughlin: President & Vice Chair You asked about the LDR, too. Sorry, I didn't answer that. Our 25% ROE is certainly benefiting from a little bit wider loan-to-deposit ratio than we probably would expect in a steady state. And so -- but you can also see in our guide, we don't expect dramatic meaningful changes in the short term. We're going to expect pretty balanced growth across deposits and lending. So we expect a self-funding mechanism here where not only is the LDR led with deposits, but the lendable deposits also fully self-fund the loan growth that we're getting. Having said that, over the medium-term outlook, I would expect that LDR to tighten maybe from in the 60s where we are today into the 80% range potentially. But that's if rates pull back. Right now, we still think it's -- it will be in this range of 60% to 70% for the next year to 6 quarters. | **Brendan Coughlin:** ๋์ถ์๊ธ๋น์จ(LDR)์ ๋ํด์๋ ์ง๋ฌธํ์
จ๋๋ฐ, ์ฃ์กํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ต๋ณ์ ๋น ๋จ๋ ธ๋ค์. ์ ํฌ 25% ์๊ธฐ์๋ณธ์ด์ต๋ฅ (ROE)์ ์ ์ ์ํ์์ ์์๋๋ ์์ค๋ณด๋ค ์ฝ๊ฐ ๋์ ๋์ถ์๊ธ๋น์จ์ ํํ์ ๋ฐ๊ณ ์๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์ฌ์ค์
๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ ํฌ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ฅผ ๋ณด์๋ฉด ์์๊ฒ ์ง๋ง, ๋จ๊ธฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ทน์ ์ด๊ฑฐ๋ ์๋ฏธ ์๋ ๋ณํ๋ ์์ํ์ง ์์ต๋๋ค. ์๊ธ๊ณผ ๋์ถ ์์ชฝ์์ ๊ท ํ ์กํ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๊ธฐ๋ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ๋์ถ์๊ธ๋น์จ์ด ์๊ธ ์ฃผ๋๋ก ์ด๋ฃจ์ด์ง ๋ฟ๋ง ์๋๋ผ, ๋์ถ ๊ฐ๋ฅํ ์๊ธ์ด ๋์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ์์ ํ ์์ฒด ์กฐ๋ฌํ๋ ๋ฉ์ปค๋์ฆ์ ๊ธฐ๋ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ ๊ธด ํ์ง๋ง, ์ค๊ธฐ์ ์ ๋ง์ผ๋ก ๋ณด๋ฉด ๋์ถ์๊ธ๋น์จ์ด ํ์ฌ 60%๋์์ 80%๋๊น์ง ์์นํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด๋ ๊ธ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ํ๋ฝํ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ์
๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ์ ํฌ๋ ํฅํ 1๋ ์์ 6๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋์ 60%์์ 70% ๋ฒ์๋ฅผ ์ ์งํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Our next question comes from Matt O'Connor with Deutsche Bank. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋์ด์ฒด๋ฐฉํฌ์ Matt O'Connor๋๊ป์ ์ฃผ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Matthew O'Connor: Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division A bit of a follow-up to some comments you just made. I wanted to ask about the deposit growth assumption. I found the interest there. I think that's what's driving the higher net NII outlook, but your earning asset growth is obviously a bit above the loan growth on Slide 23. So just trying to get a sense of deposit growth assumptions. And obviously, you give us the Private Bank, which is the one piece, but just the overall assumptions there and the confidence in that level. | **Matthew O'Connor:** ๋ฐฉ๊ธ ๋ง์ํ์ ๋ด์ฉ์ ๋ํ ํ์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ์๊ธ ์ฑ์ฅ ๊ฐ์ ์ ๋ํด ์ฌ์ญค๋ณด๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์ ๊ด์ฌ์ด ์์๋๋ฐ์. ์ ์๊ฐ์๋ ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ด ์์ด์์ด์ต(NII) ์ ๋ง์น ์ํฅ์ ์๋๋ ฅ์ธ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง 23ํ์ด์ง๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ฉด ์์ต์์ฐ ์ฑ์ฅ๋ฅ ์ด ๋์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ๋ฅ ๋ณด๋ค ๋ค์ ๋์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ์๊ธ ์ฑ์ฅ ๊ฐ์ ์ ๋ํด ํ์ ํ๋ ค๊ณ ํฉ๋๋ค. ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ํ๋์ ์กฐ๊ฐ์ผ๋ก ์ ์ํด ์ฃผ์ จ๋๋ฐ, ์ ์ฒด์ ์ธ ๊ฐ์ ๊ณผ ๊ทธ ์์ค์ ๋ํ ํ์ ์ด ์ด๋ ์ ๋์ธ์ง ์๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Bruce Van Saun: CEO & Chairman of the Board Yes. Well, we don't have a deposit guide here, but I think the expectation, Matt, is that the LDR will stay relatively stable over the course of the year. So we brought it down. You may recall we were operating back in '23 kind of in the high 80s. We brought it down in '24 into the low 80s. We now have it down into the high 70s, which is a place that I think we can sustain that and feel good about kind of the liquidity position there. And -- so that's kind of the overall forecast. I don't know, Aunoy, if you want to add anything to that. | **Bruce Van Saun:** ๋ค, ์๊ธ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ ๋ณ๋๋ก ์ ์ํ์ง ์์์ง๋ง, Matt, ์ฌํด ๋์ LDR(์๋์จ)์ ๋น๊ต์ ์์ ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ ์ง๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ค์ ๋ก ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ์๋์จ์ ๋ฎ์ถฐ์๋๋ฐ์. ๊ธฐ์ตํ์๊ฒ ์ง๋ง 2023๋ ์๋ 80%๋ ํ๋ฐ์์ ์ด์ํ์๊ณ , 2024๋ ์๋ 80%๋ ์ด๋ฐ์ผ๋ก ๋ฎ์ท์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ๋ 70%๋ ํ๋ฐ๊น์ง ๋ด๋ ค์๋๋ฐ, ์ด ์์ค์ด๋ฉด ์ ๋์ฑ ํฌ์ง์ ์ธก๋ฉด์์๋ ์ถฉ๋ถํ ๋ง์กฑ์ค๋ฝ๊ณ ์ง์ ๊ฐ๋ฅํ๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ด ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ธ ์ ๋ง์ ๋๋ค. Aunoy, ์ถ๊ฐํ ๋ด์ฉ ์์ผ๋ฉด ๋ถํํฉ๋๋ค. |
| Aunoy Banerjee: Executive VP & CFO Yes. I think, the only other thing to add would be probably our noninterest-bearing deposit growth has been very steady as well, both coming from the Private Bank and as well as the consumer bank. We expect that 22% to be in the zone as we go through. | **Aunoy Banerjee:** ๋ค, ํ ๊ฐ์ง ๋ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ์๋ฉด ๋ฌด์ด์ ์๊ธ(noninterest-bearing deposit) ์ฆ๊ฐ์ธ๋ ๋งค์ฐ ์์ ์ ์ด์์ต๋๋ค. ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ(Private Bank)์ ์๋น์ ์ํ ์์ชฝ ๋ชจ๋์์ ์ ์ ๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์์ผ๋ก๋ 22% ์์ค์ ์ ์งํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Brendan Coughlin: President & Vice Chair The 2 points I'd add on the noninterest-bearing would be, [ it was what ] we've gone through a period post-COVID, 3 years of consistent headwinds on spending out the excess surplus. 2025 was a year of that kind of running its course and flattening out. We started to see some very modest DDA growth in most benchmarks in the consumer bank. We were #1 in our peer set on relative DDA performance versus peer banks. We expect that relative position to continue and move from a flattening to starting to see some very modest DDA growth. And in the Private Bank, you can see our DDA percentage in the high 30s, but it's important to also look at checking with interest, the entirety of the personal banking deposits in the Private Bank are in checking with interest, which is de minimis interest. When you add that in, our actual low-cost mix is in the mid-40s, and we expect that range to continue the combination of DDA plus checking with interest. So healthy, healthy growth in the Private Bank in noninterest-bearing or low interest-bearing and continued #1 performance or top quartile performance in the consumer bank on relative DDA. | **Brendan Coughlin:** ๋ฌด์ด์ ์๊ธ์ ๋ํด ๋ ๊ฐ์ง๋ฅผ ์ถ๊ฐ๋ก ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฝ๋ก๋ ์ดํ 3๋ ๊ฐ ์ด๊ณผ ์์ฌ๊ธ ์ง์ถ๋ก ์ธํ ์ง์์ ์ธ ์ญํ์ ๊ฒช์์ต๋๋ค. 2025๋ ์ ๊ทธ๋ฌํ ํ๋ฆ์ด ๋ง๋ฌด๋ฆฌ๋๊ณ ์์ ํ๋๋ ํ ํด์์ต๋๋ค. ์๋น์ ์ํ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ถ๋ถ ์งํ์์ ๋งค์ฐ ์๋งํ ์๊ตฌ๋ถ์๊ธ(DDA) ์ฑ์ฅ์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ธฐ ์์ํ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ฒฝ์ ์ํ ๋๋น ์๋์ ์๊ตฌ๋ถ์๊ธ ์ฑ๊ณผ์์ ๋์ข ๊ทธ๋ฃน ๋ด 1์๋ฅผ ์ฐจ์งํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ์๋์ ์ฐ์๊ฐ ์ง์๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ๋ฉฐ, ์์ ํ ๊ตญ๋ฉด์์ ๋ฒ์ด๋ ๋งค์ฐ ์๋งํ ์๊ตฌ๋ถ์๊ธ ์ฑ์ฅ์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๊ธฐ ์์ํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๊ธฐ๋ํฉ๋๋ค. ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ์ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ ์๊ตฌ๋ถ์๊ธ(DDA) ๋น์ค์ด 30% ํ๋ฐ๋๋ก ๋ณด์ด์ง๋ง, ์ด์๋ถ ๋น์ข์๊ธ๋ ํจ๊ป ์ดํด๋ด์ผ ํฉ๋๋ค. ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ์ ๊ฐ์ธ๋ฑ ํน ์๊ธ ์ ์ฒด๊ฐ ์ด์๋ถ ๋น์ข์๊ธ์ธ๋ฐ, ์ฌ๊ธฐ์ ์ง๊ธํ๋ ์ด์๋ ๊ทนํ ๋ฏธ๋ฏธํ ์์ค์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฅผ ํฉ์ฐํ๋ฉด ์ค์ ์ ๋น์ฉ ์๊ธ ๋น์ค์ 40% ์ค๋ฐ๋์ ๋ฌํ๋ฉฐ, ์์ผ๋ก๋ ์๊ตฌ๋ถ์๊ธ๊ณผ ์ด์๋ถ ๋น์ข์๊ธ์ ํฉ์น ๋น์ค์ด ์ด ๋ฒ์๋ฅผ ์ ์งํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ์์๋ ๋ฌด์ด์ ๋๋ ์ ๊ธ๋ฆฌ ์๊ธ์ด ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํ๊ฒ ์ฑ์ฅํ๊ณ ์๊ณ , ์๋น์์ํ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์๋ ์๊ตฌ๋ถ์๊ธ ๋น์ค์์ ๊ณ์ํด์ 1์ ๋๋ ์์ 25% ๋ด ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ์ ์งํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Matthew O'Connor: Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division And then just on the interest-earning asset growth, it's kind of 1% to 2% both loan growth and maybe deposit growth. Anything else driving that? I think we've seen more banks point to kind of less earning asset growth on loan growth and yours is the opposite. So I was just wondering if there's something else kind of driving that. I think you've expanded your swap business for customers. So I don't know if there's something with trading assets or a rethinking of how you hedge the balance sheet. | **Matthew O'Connor:** ์ด์์์ต์์ฐ ์ฑ์ฅ๋ฅ ์ด ๋์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ๋ฅ ๊ณผ ์๊ธ ์ฑ์ฅ๋ฅ ๋ชจ๋ 1~2% ์์ค์ธ๋ฐ, ๋ค๋ฅธ ์์ธ์ด ์๋์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ค๋ฅธ ์ํ๋ค์ ๋์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ๋ฅ ๋ณด๋ค ์์ต์์ฐ ์ฑ์ฅ๋ฅ ์ด ๋ฎ์ ๊ฒฝํฅ์ ๋ณด์ด๋๋ฐ, ๊ท์ฌ๋ ๋ฐ๋ ์ํฉ์ด๋ค์. ๊ทธ๋์ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์์ธ์ด ์์ฉํ๊ณ ์๋์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ณ ๊ฐ ๋์ ์ค์ ์ฌ์ ์ ํ๋ํ์ ๊ฑธ๋ก ์๋๋ฐ, ํธ๋ ์ด๋ฉ ์์ฐ์ด๋ ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ ํค์ง ์ ๋ต์ ๋ณํ ๊ฐ์ ๊ฒ์ด ์ํฅ์ ๋ฏธ์น๊ณ ์๋ ๊ฑด๊ฐ์? |
| Bruce Van Saun: CEO & Chairman of the Board I would say the spot loans is 3% to 5% and earning assets kind of 4% to 5%. So there may be a little build in liquidity, we may be adding to the securities book. Part of that is looking at the lendable deposits and the kind of what we see as growth in the Private Bank deposits, which have a little lower lendability than the consumer deposits do. And so it's really probably just a little mix in where we're building a bit of our liquidity to go match what we're doing in terms of the deposit composition growth. | **Bruce Van Saun:** ์คํ ๋์ถ(spot loans)์ 3~5%, ์์ต์์ฐ(earning assets)์ 4~5% ์ ๋๋ก ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ ๋์ฑ์ด ์ฝ๊ฐ ์ฆ๊ฐํ ์ ์๊ณ , ์ฆ๊ถ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค์๋ ์ถ๊ฐํ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ๋ถ๋ถ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋์ถ ๊ฐ๋ฅ ์๊ธ๊ณผ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น๋ฑ ํฌ ์๊ธ์ ์ฑ์ฅ ์ ๋ง์ ๊ณ ๋ คํ ๊ฒ์ธ๋ฐ, ํ๋ผ์ด๋น๋ฑ ํฌ ์๊ธ์ ์๋น์ ์๊ธ์ ๋นํด ๋์ถ ๊ฐ๋ฅ์ฑ์ด ๋ค์ ๋ฎ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์๊ธ ๊ตฌ์ฑ์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ง์ถฐ ์ ๋์ฑ์ ์กฐ๊ธ ์์๊ฐ๋ ๋ฏน์ค ์กฐ์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ๋ณด์๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Our next question comes from Ebrahim Poonawala with Bank of America. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋ฑ ํฌ ์ค๋ธ ์๋ฉ๋ฆฌ์นด์ ์๋ธ๋ผํ ํธ๋์๋ผ๋๊ป์ ์ฃผ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Ebrahim Poonawala: BofA Securities, Research Division I guess just a couple of quick follow-ups. As we think about the 16% to 18% return ROTCE exiting '27, it implies the margin probably being somewhere between around that 3.40% to 3.50%. Am I thinking about that correctly? | **Ebrahim Poonawala:** 2027๋ ๋ง ๊ธฐ์ค 16%์์ 18%์ ROTCE๋ฅผ ์๊ฐํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ๋ง์ง์ด ์๋ง๋ 3.40%์์ 3.50% ์ ๋ ์ฌ์ด์ ์์นํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด์ด๋๋ฐ์. ์ ๊ฐ ์ด ๋ถ๋ถ์ ์ฌ๋ฐ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ดํดํ๊ณ ์๋ ๊ฑด๊ฐ์? |
| Aunoy Banerjee: Executive VP & CFO Yes. I would say think of that, Ebrahim, in that zone, yes. | **Aunoy Banerjee:** ๋ค, ๊ทธ๋ ๊ฒ ์๊ฐํ์๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ ๋ฒ์ ๋ด์์ ๋ณด์๋ฉด ๋ง์ต๋๋ค. |
| Ebrahim Poonawala: BofA Securities, Research Division And then beyond that, as we think about the new growth that's coming on the balance sheet, on Slide 19 for Private Bank, you call out the 4.1% spread on that growth. I'm just wondering if you had to have a similar number for the entire balance sheet in terms of growth, where would you say that new growth is coming? Is it close to 4%, close to 3%? I would love any color there. | **Ebrahim Poonawala:** ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ทธ ์ธ์, ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ์ ์๋ก ์ถ๊ฐ๋๋ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ํด ์๊ฐํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ ๊ด๋ จ 19ํ์ด์ง ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋์์ ํด๋น ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ํ 4.1% ์คํ๋ ๋๋ฅผ ์ธ๊ธํ์ จ๋๋ฐ์. ์ ์ฒด ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ ์ฑ์ฅ ์ธก๋ฉด์์๋ ๋น์ทํ ์์น๊ฐ ์๋์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. ์๋ก์ด ์ฑ์ฅ์ด ์ด๋ ์์ค์์ ๋ํ๋๊ณ ์๋์? 4%์ ๊ฐ๊น๋์, ์๋๋ฉด 3%์ ๊ฐ๊น์ด๊ฐ์? ์ด ๋ถ๋ถ์ ๋ํด ์ข ๋ ์์ธํ ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์๋ฉด ๊ฐ์ฌํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Bruce Van Saun: CEO & Chairman of the Board Yes. That's an interesting question. I guess I would say the spread in the Private Bank and the consumer bank are relatively higher. The spread in commercial is relatively lower. Commercial, you're extending credit to build relationships and do the cross-sell to your fee-based complex. So that's a little bit of the dynamics there. | **Bruce Van Saun:** ๋ค, ํฅ๋ฏธ๋ก์ด ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ(Private Bank)์ ์๋น์ ์ํ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ์คํ๋ ๋๊ฐ ์๋์ ์ผ๋ก ๋์ ํธ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ฉด ์์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ์คํ๋ ๋๋ ์๋์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ฎ์ต๋๋ค. ์์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์๋ ๊ด๊ณ ๊ตฌ์ถ์ ์ํด ์ ์ฉ์ ์ ๊ณตํ๊ณ , ์์๋ฃ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ ์ํ๋ค๋ก ๊ต์ฐจ ํ๋งค๋ฅผ ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ๋ชฉ์ ์ด๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ด ๊ฐ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ์ญํ ๊ด๊ณ๋ผ๊ณ ํ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Ebrahim Poonawala: BofA Securities, Research Division Got it. And just one more, Bruce, on the Private Bank, 7 offices, 4 more to go. Why is that number not larger? Like is it -- is there only so much that you can do from a management bandwidth standpoint? Or do you think once you have these 10 to 15 private bank offices, you've saturated the opportunity? | **Ebrahim Poonawala:** ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ํ ๊ฐ์ง๋ง ๋ ์ฌ์ญค๋ณด๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. Bruce, ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ(Private Bank) ๊ด๋ จํด์์. 7๊ฐ ์ง์ ์ 4๊ฐ๊ฐ ๋ ์์ ๋์ด ์๋๋ฐ, ์ ๊ทธ ์ซ์๊ฐ ๋ ํฌ์ง ์์ ๊ฑด๊ฐ์? ๊ฒฝ์์ง์ ์ญ๋ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ํ ์ ์๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์ ํ์ ์ด์ด์ ๊ทธ๋ฐ ๊ฑด๊ฐ์? ์๋๋ฉด 10๊ฐ์์ 15๊ฐ ์ ๋์ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ ์ง์ ์ ํ๋ณดํ๋ฉด ์์ฅ ๊ธฐํ๋ฅผ ์ถฉ๋ถํ ํฌ์ฐฉํ ์ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ณด์๋ ๊ฑด๊ฐ์? |
| Bruce Van Saun: CEO & Chairman of the Board Well, I'll start and flip it to Brendan. But I'd say from a bandwidth standpoint, you want to make sure that these offices are really premium locations and premium fit-out and premium high-quality people staffing them. And so we've done a lot, and we have another big agenda for this year, but we're certainly not done when you get to exhaust the list that we have in front of us for '27. We have a couple more in the pipeline that are straddling between '26 and '27. And then we have densification of some of our East Coast locations in Florida still in front of us when we look out into '27. So I think ultimately, you could see this number get up to something like 25 or 30 when we've kind of reached maturity with the private banking locations that we have before we would think about potentially other geographic expansion. But Brendan, I'll flip it to you. | **Bruce Van Saun:** ๋์ญํญ ๊ด์ ์์ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ด๋ฌํ ์คํผ์ค๋ค์ด ์ ๋ง ํ๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์ ์
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๋ฆฌ์ด, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ํ๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์ ๊ณ ํ์ง ์ธ๋ ฅ์ผ๋ก ์ด์๋๋๋ก ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์ค์ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ด๋ฏธ ๋ง์ ๊ฒ์ ํด์๊ณ , ์ฌํด๋ ํฐ ๊ณํ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง 27๋
๋ ๋ชฉ๋ก์ ๋ค ์์งํ๋ค๊ณ ํด์ ๋๋๋ ๊ฒ์ ์๋๋๋ค. 26๋
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์ฌ์ด์ ๊ฑธ์ณ ์๋ ๋ช ๊ฐ๊ฐ ๋ ํ์ดํ๋ผ์ธ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 27๋
์ ๋ด๋ค๋ณด๋ฉด, ํ๋ก๋ฆฌ๋ค์ ๋๋ถ ํด์ ์ง์ญ๋ค์ ๋ํ ๋ฐ์งํ(densification) ์์
๋ ์์ ๋จ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ธ๋ ๋จ์๊ฒ ๋๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ถ๊ทน์ ์ผ๋ก ์ด ์ซ์๋ ํ์ฌ ๋ณด์ ํ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํน ์ง์ ๋ค์ด ์ฑ์ ๋จ๊ณ์ ๋๋ฌํ๋ฉด 25๊ฐ ๋๋ 30๊ฐ ์ ๋๊น์ง ์ฆ๊ฐํ ์ ์์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ด ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ ์ดํ์ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์ง์ญ์ผ๋ก์ ํ์ฅ์ ๊ณ ๋ คํ ์ ์์ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ธ๋ ๋จ, ์๊ฒฌ์ ๋ถํ๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. |
| Brendan Coughlin: President & Vice Chair Yes. Our confidence is clearly increasing every quarter that gets behind us on our ability to drive sustainable growth and high quality. But if you kind of rewind the clock back to 4 quarters ago, we were very committed to make sure we deliver the profitability profile that we shared with you all before we got too far over our skis. So we've been very thoughtful in terms of where to put these locations. It's a very connected business model. I call it first floor, second floor, first floor being kind of retail banking for private banking customers, second floor being senior RMs and wealth teams that are not necessarily working the retail branch, but they're bringing in clients. We've got to grow that in a connected way. So -- and we're keeping a very, very high bar on quality. We don't want to grow so fast that we compromise on having a best-in-market team. So we've got aspirations for more sites. We'll continue to add them as we get the right teams, as we get the right locations. We're starting to think about geographic expansion. We also have to think about filling in the rest of our Citizens footprint. You've got plenty of markets that we have high net worth individuals in today where we don't yet offer the full private banking package. And so in addition to adding more sites, you may see a handful of very targeted either conversions or dual branded sites with retail and private banking coming online where we can offer the full service of the bank, the full One Citizens in the same market. So -- with commercial partnering as well. So a lot to do. We expect a steady [ guide ] of continued openings and opportunistically when we find talent in good locations, we'll upsize our ambition. | **Brendan Coughlin:** ๋ค, ๋ถ๊ธฐ๊ฐ ์ง๋ ์๋ก ์ง์ ๊ฐ๋ฅํ ์ฑ์ฅ๊ณผ ๋์ ํ์ง์ ์ด๋์ด๋ผ ์ ์๋ค๋ ํ์ ์ด ๋ถ๋ช
ํ ์ปค์ง๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง 4๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋์๊ฐ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๋๋ฌด ์์ ๋๊ฐ๊ธฐ ์ ์ ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ๊ป ๊ณต์ ํ๋ ์์ต์ฑ ํ๋กํ์ ๋ฐ๋์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ๊ฒ ๋ค๋ ์์ง๊ฐ ํ๊ณ ํ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ์ด๋ฌํ ์ง์ ๋ค์ ์ด๋์ ๋ฐฐ์นํ ์ง ๋งค์ฐ ์ ์คํ๊ฒ ์ ๊ทผํด์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ ๋งค์ฐ ์ฐ๊ฒฐ๋ ๋น์ฆ๋์ค ๋ชจ๋ธ์ ๋๋ค. ์ ๋ ์ด๋ฅผ 1์ธต๊ณผ 2์ธต์ผ๋ก ๋น์ ํ๋๋ฐ, 1์ธต์ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํน ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ ์ํ ๋ฆฌํ ์ผ ๋ฑ ํน์ด๊ณ , 2์ธต์ ๋ฐ๋์ ๋ฆฌํ ์ผ ์ง์ ์์ ์ผํ์ง๋ ์์ง๋ง ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ ์ ์นํ๋ ์๋์ด RM(Relationship Manager)๊ณผ ์ฐ์ค ํ์ ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ด๋ฅผ ์ฐ๊ฒฐ๋ ๋ฐฉ์์ผ๋ก ์ฑ์ฅ์์ผ์ผ ํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ํ์ง์ ๋ํด ๋งค์ฐ ๋์ ๊ธฐ์ค์ ์ ์งํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์์ฅ ์ต๊ณ ์ ํ์ ๊ตฌ์ฑํ๋ ๋ฐ ํํํ ์ ๋๋ก ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ฑ์ฅํ๊ณ ์ถ์ง ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ๋ ๋ง์ ์ง์ ์ ํ๋ํ ๊ณํ์ด ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ ํฉํ ํ๊ณผ ์ ์ ํ ์์น๋ฅผ ํ๋ณดํ๋ ๋๋ก ๊ณ์ ์ถ๊ฐํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ง๋ฆฌ์ ํ์ฅ๋ ๊ฒํ ํ๊ธฐ ์์ํ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ํ Citizens์ ๋๋จธ์ง ์ฌ์ ์์ญ๋ ์ฑ์๋๊ฐ์ผ ํฉ๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ๊ณ ์ก ์์ฐ๊ฐ๋ค์ด ์์ง๋ง ์์ง ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํน ํจํค์ง ์ ์ฒด๋ฅผ ์ ๊ณตํ์ง ๋ชปํ๋ ์์ฅ์ด ๋ง์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ง์ ์ ์ถ๊ฐํ๋ ๊ฒ ์ธ์๋, ์ผ๋ถ ์ ๋ณ๋ ์ง์ญ์์ ์ ํํ๊ฑฐ๋ ๋ฆฌํ ์ผ๊ณผ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํน์ ๊ฒฐํฉํ ๋์ผ ๋ธ๋๋ ์ง์ ์ ๊ฐ์คํ์ฌ ๋์ผํ ์์ฅ์์ ์ํ์ ์ ์ฒด ์๋น์ค, ์ฆ ์์ ํ One Citizens๋ฅผ ์ ๊ณตํ๋ ๋ชจ์ต์ ๋ณด์ค ์ ์์ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์์ ์ ํํธ๋์ญ๋ ๋ง์ฐฌ๊ฐ์ง์ ๋๋ค. ํ ์ผ์ด ์ ๋ง ๋ง์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ง์์ ์ธ ๋งค์ฅ ์คํ์ด ๊พธ์คํ ์ด์ด์ง ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ข์ ์ ์ง์์ ์ฐ์ํ ์ธ์ฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ๊ฒฌํ๋ฉด ๊ธฐํ๋ฅผ ํฌ์ฐฉํด์ ๋ชฉํ๋ฅผ ์ํฅ ์กฐ์ ํ ๊ณํ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Our next question comes from David Chiaverini with Jefferies. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ์ ํ๋ฆฌ์ค์ ๋ฐ์ด๋น๋ ์น์๋ฒ ๋ฆฌ๋๋๊ป์ ์ฃผ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| David Chiaverini: Jefferies LLC, Research Division So I wanted to ask about the efficiency ratio outlook. It looks very strong, mid-50s medium term versus the 62% in the fourth quarter. Can you talk about what could drive the high end versus the low end of the mid-50s outlook? | **David Chiaverini:** ํจ์จ์ฑ ๋น์จ(efficiency ratio) ์ ๋ง์ ๋ํด ์ฌ์ญ๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. ์ค๊ธฐ์ ์ผ๋ก 50%๋ ์ค๋ฐ์ผ๋ก ๋งค์ฐ ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํด ๋ณด์ด๋๋ฐ, 4๋ถ๊ธฐ 62%์ ๋น๊ต๋ฉ๋๋ค. 50%๋ ์ค๋ฐ ์ ๋ง์์ ์๋จ๊ณผ ํ๋จ์ ๊ฒฐ์ ์ง๋ ์์ธ๋ค์ ๋ํด ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๊น? |
| Bruce Van Saun: CEO & Chairman of the Board Yes. Well, there's a couple of dynamics here that right off the bat, if you overlay the kind of termination of these swaps and look at some of the built-in kind of active swaps and fixed asset repricing that we think is pretty assured, you can get from 62% into the high 50s. And if you overlay the RTB, that can further take you down into the mid-50s. And then all along, we're trying to run with positive operating leverage, even if you strip out the benefit of the NIM expansion. So those are really the 3 things that are kind of driving you back down to something in the mid-50s. So I think it's a very realistic target. | **Bruce Van Saun:** ๋ค, ์ฌ๊ธฐ์๋ ๋ช ๊ฐ์ง ๋์ธ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ์ ์ค์ ๊ณ์ฝ ์ข ๋ฃ๋ฅผ ๊ณ ๋ คํ๊ณ , ํ์ฌ ํ์ฑํ๋ ์ค์๊ณผ ๊ณ ์ ์์ฐ ์ฌ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ์กฐ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ํ๋ฉด - ์ด๋ ์๋นํ ํ์คํ๋ค๊ณ ๋ณด๋๋ฐ์ - 62%์์ 50%๋ ํ๋ฐ์ผ๋ก ๋ฎ์ถ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๊ธฐ์ RTB๋ฅผ ์ถ๊ฐ๋ก ๋ฐ์ํ๋ฉด 50%๋ ์ค๋ฐ๊น์ง ๋ ๋ฎ์ถ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ด ๋ชจ๋ ๊ณผ์ ์์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์์ด์๋ง์ง(NIM) ํ๋ ํจ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ์ ์ธํ๋๋ผ๋ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ธ ์์ ๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง๋ฅผ ์ ์งํ๋ ค๊ณ ๋ ธ๋ ฅํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด ์ธ ๊ฐ์ง ์์ธ์ด ๋น์ฉ ๋น์จ์ 50%๋ ์ค๋ฐ์ผ๋ก ๋ฎ์ถ๋ ํต์ฌ ๋๋ ฅ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ๋งค์ฐ ํ์ค์ ์ธ ๋ชฉํ๋ผ๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. |
| David Chiaverini: Jefferies LLC, Research Division And my follow-up is on AI. You've been front-footed on AI versus some of your peers. Can you talk about your AI spend and some of the use cases you're seeing? | **David Chiaverini:** AI์ ๋ํ ํ์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ท์ฌ๋ ๊ฒฝ์์ฌ๋ค์ ๋นํด AI์ ์ ๊ทน์ ์ผ๋ก ๋์๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. AI ํฌ์ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ํ์ฌ ํ์ธํ๊ณ ์๋ ํ์ฉ ์ฌ๋ก๋ค์ ๋ํด ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๊น? |
| Brendan Coughlin: President & Vice Chair Yes. Our AI spend has, I would call it, backwards looking in 2025 has been a combination of very small targeted pilots and learnings and building the right control infrastructure to get ourselves ready for this, including moving completely to the cloud in 2025 and big investments in data. So to actually take the AI capabilities and commercialize it, a lot of foundational things need to be true. So some of this happened in 2025. Candidly, some of this started back in 2020, 2021, where we're really getting some bigger investments in broadening our data capabilities, modernizing the tech stack to put us in a position for this. So enabling investments has been high, very specific kind of last mile AI investments, I think, have been very relatively modest. But as we turn the page to 2026, the dial turns a little bit. So a couple of the use cases, of course, we highlight them on Page, I guess, it's 21 in the deck, and you can look at that, but I'll maybe highlight 2 or 3 of them. The call center, as an example, we think that the combination of modernizing the tech stack for the call center front to back, plus introducing voice AI and other mechanisms, we can get in the range, over the medium-term outlook, 50% of our call center calls out of a human answering them. That is something we're very excited about. It's not hopes and dreams. We've seen this in development and in action in smaller firms, banks and otherwise. So we're leaning in heavily there. Technology development, accelerating productivity of an engineer is a use case that we also have high confidence in that through leveraging AI, we can have a 5 to 10x of productivity with our engineers that the AI is taking the first crack at writing the code where developers are now QA/QC-ing the code, adding the last mile and then ultimately having the AI also work on the first round of testing and quality assurement of the code. And then maybe lastly, on just analytics, fraud, credit risk, these are tried and true AI use cases that with -- particularly in the consumer bank relative to fraud and credit analytics where you're underwriting and decisioning on a cohort basis, leveraging AI to reengineer front to back, how we think about credit analytics, portfolio monitoring, fraud detection, model enhancement. These are all very real use cases that are practical in our sites, and we've got reasonable confidence that we can go at them. So you'll start to see -- in the Reimagine the Bank effort, there's an overlay of tech spend in addition to our run rate tech spend we're spending on the franchise that will be principally pointed at AI deployment for Reimagine the Bank. So we're carving out a meaningful chunk of overlay for tech spend that will wind up in our depreciation line over time, which is incorporated in our guide relative to the net benefits of Reimagine the Bank. | **Brendan Coughlin:** ๋ค, ์ ํฌ AI ์ง์ถ์ 2025๋
์ ๋์ด์ผ๋ณด๋ฉด ๋งค์ฐ ์๊ท๋ชจ์ ํ๊ฒ ํ์ผ๋ฟ ํ๋ก์ ํธ๋ค๊ณผ ํ์ต, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ด๋ฅผ ์ํ ์ ์ ํ ํต์ ์ธํ๋ผ ๊ตฌ์ถ์ด ๊ฒฐํฉ๋ ํํ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๊ธฐ์๋ 2025๋
์ ์์ ํ ํด๋ผ์ฐ๋ ์ ํ๊ณผ ๋ฐ์ดํฐ์ ๋ํ ๋๊ท๋ชจ ํฌ์๊ฐ ํฌํจ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ์ค์ ๋ก AI ์ญ๋์ ์์ฉํํ๊ธฐ ์ํด์๋ ๋ง์ ๊ธฐ์ด์ ์ธ ์์๋ค์ด ๊ฐ์ถฐ์ ธ์ผ ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด ์ค ์ผ๋ถ๋ 2025๋
์ ์ด๋ฃจ์ด์ก์ต๋๋ค. ์์งํ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ์ผ๋ถ๋ 2020๋
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๋ถํฐ ์์๋์๋๋ฐ, ๋น์ ๋ฐ์ดํฐ ์ญ๋ ํ๋์ ๊ธฐ์ ์คํ ํ๋ํ์ ์๋นํ ํฌ์๋ฅผ ์งํํ๋ฉด์ ์ด๋ฌํ ์ค๋น๋ฅผ ํด์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ ๊ตฌ์ถ์ ์ํ ํฌ์๋ ๋์๋ ๋ฐ๋ฉด, ๋งค์ฐ ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ์ต์ข ๋จ๊ณ์ AI ํฌ์๋ ์๋์ ์ผ๋ก ์ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ณผ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. 2026๋ ์ผ๋ก ๋์ด๊ฐ๋ฉด์ ์ํฉ์ด ์กฐ๊ธ ๋ฌ๋ผ์ง๋๋ค. ๋ช ๊ฐ์ง ํ์ฉ ์ฌ๋ก๋ค์ด ์๋๋ฐ์, ์๋ฃ 21ํ์ด์ง์ ๊ฐ์กฐ๋์ด ์์ผ๋ ์ฐธ๊ณ ํ์๋ฉด ๋๊ฒ ๊ณ , ๊ทธ ์ค 2~3๊ฐ์ง๋ฅผ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฝ์ผํฐ๋ฅผ ์๋ก ๋ค๋ฉด, ์ฝ์ผํฐ์ ๊ธฐ์ ์คํ์ ์ฒ์๋ถํฐ ๋๊น์ง ํ๋ํํ๊ณ ์์ฑ AI(voice AI)์ ๋ค๋ฅธ ๋ฉ์ปค๋์ฆ์ ๋์ ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๊ฒฐํฉํ๋ฉด, ์ค๊ธฐ ์ ๋ง ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก ์ฝ์ผํฐ ํตํ์ ์ฝ 50%๋ฅผ ์ฌ๋์ด ์๋ํ์ง ์์๋ ๋๋๋ก ํ ์ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋ด ๋๋ค. ์ด ๋ถ๋ถ์ ๋ํด ๋งค์ฐ ๊ธฐ๋ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฑด ๋จ์ํ ํฌ๋ง์ฌํญ์ด ์๋๋๋ค. ์๊ท๋ชจ ํ์ฌ๋ค, ์ํ๋ค๊ณผ ๋ค๋ฅธ ๊ธฐ์ ๋ค์์ ๊ฐ๋ฐ ์ค์ด๊ณ ์ค์ ๋ก ์๋ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ํ์ธํ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ์ด ๋ถ์ผ์ ์ ๊ทน์ ์ผ๋ก ํฌ์ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ธฐ์ ๊ฐ๋ฐ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ์์ง๋์ด์ ์์ฐ์ฑ ํฅ์์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๋์ ํ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ง๊ณ ์๋ ํ์ฉ ์ฌ๋ก์ ๋๋ค. AI๋ฅผ ํ์ฉํ๋ฉด ์์ง๋์ด์ ์์ฐ์ฑ์ 5๋ฐฐ์์ 10๋ฐฐ๊น์ง ๋์ผ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. AI๊ฐ ๋จผ์ ์ฝ๋ ์์ฑ์ ์๋ํ๊ณ , ๊ฐ๋ฐ์๋ค์ ์ด์ ์ฝ๋๋ฅผ QA/QCํ๊ณ ๋ง์ง๋ง ๋จ๊ณ๋ฅผ ์ถ๊ฐํ๋ ์ญํ ์ ํ๊ฒ ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ถ๊ทน์ ์ผ๋ก AI๊ฐ ์ฝ๋์ 1์ฐจ ํ ์คํธ์ ํ์ง ๋ณด์ฆ ์์ ๊น์ง ์ํํ๊ฒ ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ๋ง์ง๋ง์ผ๋ก ๋ถ์, ์ฌ๊ธฐ ํ์ง, ์ ์ฉ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ ๊ด๋ จํด์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ์ด๊ฒ๋ค์ ๊ฒ์ฆ๋ AI ํ์ฉ ์ฌ๋ก์ ๋๋ค. ํนํ ์๋น์ ์ํ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ์ฌ๊ธฐ ํ์ง์ ์ ์ฉ ๋ถ์ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ์ฝํธํธ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ์ผ๋ก ์ฌ์ฌํ๊ณ ์์ฌ๊ฒฐ์ ์ ๋ด๋ฆด ๋, AI๋ฅผ ํ์ฉํด ์ ์ฉ ๋ถ์, ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค ๋ชจ๋ํฐ๋ง, ์ฌ๊ธฐ ํ์ง, ๋ชจ๋ธ ๊ณ ๋ํ๋ฅผ ์ฒ์๋ถํฐ ๋๊น์ง ์ฌ์ค๊ณํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด ๋ชจ๋ ๊ฒ๋ค์ด ์ค์ง์ ์ผ๋ก ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์คํ ๊ฐ๋ฅํ ๋งค์ฐ ํ์ค์ ์ธ ํ์ฉ ์ฌ๋ก๋ค์ด๊ณ , ์ถฉ๋ถํ ํด๋ผ ์ ์๋ค๋ ํ์ ์ ๊ฐ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ Reimagine the Bank ๋ ธ๋ ฅ์ ์ผํ์ผ๋ก, ํ๋์ฐจ์ด์ฆ์ ํฌ์ ํ๋ ์ ๊ท ๊ธฐ์ ํฌ์ ์ธ์ ์ถ๊ฐ์ ์ธ ๊ธฐ์ ํฌ์๊ฐ ์ด๋ฃจ์ด์ง๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋ณด์๊ฒ ๋ ํ ๋ฐ, ์ด๋ ์ฃผ๋ก Reimagine the Bank๋ฅผ ์ํ AI ๋ฐฐ์น์ ์ง์ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ธฐ์ ํฌ์๋ฅผ ์ํ ์๋นํ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ์ถ๊ฐ ์์ฐ์ ํ๋ณดํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋ ์๊ฐ์ด ์ง๋จ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ๊ฐ๊ฐ์๊ฐ๋น ํญ๋ชฉ์ ๋ฐ์๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ๋ถ๋ถ์ Reimagine the Bank์ ์ํธ์ต๊ณผ ๊ด๋ จํ์ฌ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค์ ์ด๋ฏธ ํฌํจ๋์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Our next question comes from Gerard Cassidy with RBC. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ RBC์ Gerard Cassidy๋ก๋ถํฐ ๋ฐ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Gerard Cassidy: RBC Capital Markets, Research Division Bruce, since going public, you've done a very good job of delivering on growing this organization that you head up. And clearly, you've done it in this Wealth Management area, most recently in the Private Bank. Can you guys share with us the growth that you're planning for this year, the $16 billion to $20 billion of client assets, how much is that coming from existing customers of their portfolios versus just new customers coming in with -- you're going to maybe hire more teams? And then I don't know if you can parse how much of a benefit has this 3-year bull market been on this business? | **Gerard Cassidy:** RBC ์บํผํ ๋ง์ผ์ธ ๋ฆฌ์์น ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ์ง๋ฌธ ์ฃผ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ธ๋ฃจ์ค, ์์ฅ ์ดํ ๊ท์ฌ๊ฐ ์ด๋๋ ์กฐ์ง์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋งค์ฐ ํ๋ฅญํ๊ฒ ๋ฌ์ฑํด ์ค์ จ์ต๋๋ค. ํนํ ์์ฐ๊ด๋ฆฌ ๋ถ๋ฌธ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ต๊ทผ์๋ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ ์์ญ์์ ๋๋๋ฌ์ง ์ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ฌ์ฃผ์ จ๋๋ฐ์. ์ฌํด ๊ณํํ๊ณ ๊ณ์ 160์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ์์ 200์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์์ฐ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ํด ์ข ๋ ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์ค ์ ์์๊น์? ์ด ์ค์์ ๊ธฐ์กด ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค ์ฆ๊ฐ๋ถ๊ณผ ์ ๊ท ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์ ์น๋ถ์ ๋น์ค์ด ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๋๋์ง, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ถ๊ฐ ํ ์์ ๊ณํ์ด ์์ผ์ ์ง ๊ถ๊ธํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ํ ์ง๋ 3๋ ๊ฐ์ ๊ฐ์ธ์ฅ์ด ์ด ์ฌ์ ์ ์ผ๋ง๋ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ธ ์ํฅ์ ๋ฏธ์ณค๋์ง ๊ตฌ๋ถํด์ ์ค๋ช ํด ์ฃผ์ค ์ ์์ผ์ ๊ฐ์? |
| Bruce Van Saun: CEO & Chairman of the Board Yes. I'm going to flip this to Brendan quickly. But what I would say is that what you're seeing on that Private Bank slide is simply the growth of $6 billion to $10 billion in kind of this -- kind of lift-out venue that's serving their Private Bank partners. And some of that comes from the continued acquisition of new teams, but the majority is going to come from just the kind of people that are on the platform kind of getting their full book converted in and then growing as they start to serve the Private Bank and Private Wealth. So that's part of the story. Beyond that, not shown on this page, we have our branch-based business that is going exceptionally well. And then we have Clarfeld, which was a legacy RIA that we acquired, which is working closely with the Private Bank at this point. But when you add that all together, the kind of AUM, kind of assets that we have in -- what we refer to as client assets, which includes transactional balances is about $60 billion and the kind of core AUM of that is about half of that. And so that now is a number that's growing very nicely across kind of all those 3 sectors. So we have the Private Bank growing. We're finding an ability to rejuvenate Clarfeld growth and then the branch business is running very, very nicely and achieving strong growth. So we're excited that, that Wealth fee line can continue to hit new records kind of quarter after quarter as it did in 2025. Brendan, you can provide more color. | **Bruce Van Saun:** ๋ค, ์ด ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋ธ๋ ๋จ์๊ฒ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒ ๋๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ค๋ง ์ ๊ฐ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ถ์ ๊ฒ์, ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋์์ ๋ณด์๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋จ์ํ 60์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ์์ 100์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ๋ก์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ ํํธ๋๋ค์ ์ง์ํ๋ ๋ฆฌํํธ์์ ๋ฐฉ์์์ ๋์จ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด ์ค ์ผ๋ถ๋ ์ ๊ท ํ ์์ ์ ํตํด ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ์ด๋ฃจ์ด์ง๊ณ ์์ง๋ง, ๋๋ถ๋ถ์ ํ๋ซํผ์ ์๋ ์ธ๋ ฅ๋ค์ด ์ ์ฒด ๊ณ ๊ฐ ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค๋ฅผ ์์ ํ ์ ํํ๊ณ , ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ์ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ์ฐ์ค ์๋น์ค๋ฅผ ์์ํ๋ฉด์ ์ฑ์ฅํ๋ ๋ฐ์ ๋์ฌ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ด ์คํ ๋ฆฌ์ ์ผ๋ถ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ ์ธ์๋ ์ด ํ์ด์ง์๋ ๋์ ์์ง ์์ง๋ง, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์ง์ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ ๋น์ฆ๋์ค๊ฐ ๋งค์ฐ ์์กฐ๋กญ๊ฒ ์งํ๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ Clarfeld๊ฐ ์๋๋ฐ, ์ด๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ธ์ํ ๋ ๊ฑฐ์ RIA๋ก ํ์ฌ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ์ ๊ธด๋ฐํ๊ฒ ํ๋ ฅํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด ๋ชจ๋ ๊ฒ์ ํฉ์น๋ฉด, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์์ฐ(client assets)์ด๋ผ๊ณ ๋ถ๋ฅด๋ ๊ฒ์ ํฌํจ๋ AUM, ์ฆ ์์ฐ์ ์ฝ 600์ต ๋ฌ๋ฌ ์ ๋์ด๊ณ , ๊ฑฐ๋์ฑ ์์ก์ ํฌํจํ ์์น์ ๋๋ค. ์ด ์ค ํต์ฌ AUM์ ๋๋ต ์ ๋ฐ ์ ๋์ ๋๋ค. ์ด ์์น๋ ํ์ฌ 3๊ฐ ๋ถ๋ฌธ ์ ๋ฐ์ ๊ฑธ์ณ ๋งค์ฐ ์ข์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ฑ์ฅํ๊ณ ์๊ณ , Clarfeld์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ค์ ํ์ฑํํ ์ ์๋ ์ญ๋์ ํ๋ณดํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ง์ ์ฌ์ ๋ ๋งค์ฐ ์์กฐ๋กญ๊ฒ ์ด์๋๋ฉด์ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ 2025๋ ์ ๊ทธ๋ฌ๋ ๊ฒ์ฒ๋ผ ์ฐ์ค ์์๋ฃ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ด ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋ง๋ค ๊ณ์ํด์ ์ ๊ธฐ๋ก์ ๊ฒฝ์ ํ ์ ์์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๊ธฐ๋ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. Brendan์ด ์ข ๋ ์์ธํ ์ค๋ช ํด๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Brendan Coughlin: President & Vice Chair Yes, sounds good. On the private -- I'll unpack both of them very quickly. On the private banking side, just one strategic point to make. It's hard to totally separate the adding of new talent from the referrals coming from the banking teams that we hired because you need them both in place for either of them to happen. And once you get the new talent in, it is true that 80% to 90% of their previous book will follow them over, and we have seen that, and we've actually seen better performance than that on most of our teams that we've lifted out. But they also have new productivity. They're bringing in their own clients on the Wealth side, but then they're referring them back to the bank. So this is a bidirectional referral model. On the banking side, we have seen an acceleration of referrals as we've got high-quality Wealth teams on through 2025. We expect that to continue into 2026 at a healthy clip. So as the business gets more granular, as we convert some of the business banking clients into personal banking, have the right Wealth teams, we expect a continued acceleration of new business flow coming from that into these new Wealth teams. And we expect -- we've been doing 1 to 2 teams a quarter of new lift-outs. I would expect us to be in that range over the course of 2026 as well. So a supplement of accelerating referrals, adding new teams, new teams bringing their back books plus new teams bringing new business and hitting the market hard. On the mass affluent front, about 55% of our fee income or our AUM, I should say, is actually in the branch-based business and about 60% of our fee income is from the mass affluent business. So that business grew in 2025 by 15% on the AUM side and 25% on the fee income side. And the effective rate of revenue on the mass affluent business is roughly twice of that of the private bank. So you're getting significant profitability [ jaws ] by growing that business as well. We had record referrals coming from our retail bank. We've had an overhaul of talent in our advisers that sit in the branches. We've grown that adviser base by [ about ] 50 advisers in 2025. We expect that to continue. So we're seeing sort of all boats rise with a rising tide, the Wealth brand that we're building and the capabilities that we're building are coming through in all the client segments. We're getting a real strong uptick from Don's business as the commercial team has more confidence in the teams that we bring on. Your comment about the bull market, it is true. Bull market helps. Market betas help. About 1/3 of our private banking revenue uplift was driven by market betas. But you can't capture that market beta unless you acquire the customers to begin with. So there's a bit of a virtuous circle here that's happening here as we're getting outsized new customer growth, outsized talent growth and catching the market beta as it moves from whatever firm they exited over to Citizens. So we feel really pleased with where we're at, and we expect continued positive momentum across all segments. | **Brendan Coughlin:** ๋ค, ์ข์ต๋๋ค. ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ
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๋ด๋ด ์ฐ์ํ ์ฐ์ค ํ๋ค์ ์์
ํ๋ฉด์ ๋ฆฌํผ๋ด์ด ๊ฐ์ํ๋๋ ๊ฒ์ ํ์ธํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ์ถ์ธ๋ 2026๋
์๋ ๊ฑด๊ฐํ ์๋๋ก ์ง์๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฌ์
์ด ๋์ฑ ์ธ๋ถํ๋๊ณ , ์ผ๋ถ ๋น์ฆ๋์ค ๋ฑ
ํน ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ ๊ฐ์ธ ๋ฑ
ํน์ผ๋ก ์ ํํ๋ฉฐ, ์ ํฉํ ์ฐ์ค ํ์ ๊ฐ์ถ๊ฒ ๋๋ฉด์, ์ด๋ค ์๋ก์ด ์ฐ์ค ํ์ผ๋ก ์ ์
๋๋ ์ ๊ท ์ฌ์
ํ๋ฆ์ด ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ฐ์ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๊ธฐ๋ํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋ถ๊ธฐ๋น 1~2๊ฐ์ ์๋ก์ด ํ์ ์์
ํด์๋๋ฐ, 2026๋
์๋ ์ด ๋ฒ์๋ฅผ ์ ์งํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ๋ฆฌํผ๋ด ๊ฐ์ํ, ์ ๊ท ํ ์ถ๊ฐ, ์ ๊ท ํ์ด ๊ธฐ์กด ๊ณ ๊ฐ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ์ ๊ฐ์ ธ์ค๋ ๊ฒ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ ๊ท ํ์ด ์๋ก์ด ์ฌ์
์ ์ฐฝ์ถํ๋ฉฐ ์์ฅ์ ์ ๊ทน ๊ณต๋ตํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ๋ชจ๋ ๋ํด์ง ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ๋์ค ๋ถ์ ์ธต(mass affluent) ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์์๋ฃ ์์ต์ด ์๋๋ผ ์ด์ฉ์์ฐ(AUM)์ ์ฝ 55%๊ฐ ์ค์ ๋ก ์ง์ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ ๋น์ฆ๋์ค์์ ๋ฐ์ํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์์๋ฃ ์์ต์ ์ฝ 60%๊ฐ ๋์ค ๋ถ์ ์ธต ๋น์ฆ๋์ค์์ ๋์ค๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด ๋น์ฆ๋์ค๋ 2025๋
์ ์ด์ฉ์์ฐ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ 15%, ์์๋ฃ ์์ต ์ธก๋ฉด์์ 25% ์ฑ์ฅํ์ต๋๋ค. ๋์ค ๋ถ์ ์ธต ๋น์ฆ๋์ค์ ์คํจ ์์ต๋ฅ ์ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ
ํฌ(private bank)์ ์ฝ 2๋ฐฐ ์์ค์
๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ด ๋น์ฆ๋์ค๋ฅผ ์ฑ์ฅ์ํค๋ฉด์ ์๋นํ ์์ต์ฑ ๊ฒฉ์ฐจ๋ฅผ ํ๋ณดํ๊ณ ์๋ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ๋ฆฌํ ์ผ ๋ฑ ํฌ๋ก๋ถํฐ ๊ธฐ๋ก์ ์ธ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์ถ์ฒ์ ๋ฐ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ง์ ์ ๋ฐฐ์น๋ ์ด๋๋ฐ์ด์ ๋ค์ ์ธ๋ ฅ ๊ตฌ์ฑ์ ์ ๋ฉด์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ฐํธํ๊ณ , 2025๋ ์ ์ด๋๋ฐ์ด์ ์ธ๋ ฅ์ ์ฝ 50๋ช ๋๋ ธ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฌํ ์ฆ๊ฐ์ธ๋ ๊ณ์๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๊ตฌ์ถํ๊ณ ์๋ ์ฐ์ค ๋ธ๋๋์ ์ญ๋์ด ๋ชจ๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์ธ๊ทธ๋จผํธ์์ ํจ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ฐํํ๋ฉด์ ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ธ ์์น์ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ปค๋จธ์ ํ์ด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์์ ํ๋ ํ๋ค์ ๋ํ ์ ๋ขฐ๊ฐ ๋์์ง๋ฉด์ Don์ ์ฌ์ ๋ถ์์๋ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์ฑ๊ณผ ๊ฐ์ ์ด ๋ํ๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ฐ์ธ์ฅ์ ๋ํ ๋ง์์ ๋ง์ต๋๋ค. ๊ฐ์ธ์ฅ์ด ๋์์ด ๋๊ณ , ์์ฅ ๋ฒ ํ(market beta)๋ ๋์์ด ๋ฉ๋๋ค. ์ค์ ๋ก ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํน(private banking) ์์ต ์ฆ๊ฐ์ ์ฝ 3๋ถ์ 1์ ์์ฅ ๋ฒ ํ์ ์ํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ ์ด์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ ํ๋ณดํ์ง ์์ผ๋ฉด ๊ทธ ์์ฅ ๋ฒ ํ๋ฅผ ํฌ์ฐฉํ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ์ฌ๊ธฐ์ ์ ์ํ์ด ์ผ์ด๋๊ณ ์๋ ๊ฒ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ํ์ํ ์ ๊ท ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์ฆ๊ฐ์ ์ธ์ฌ ํ๋ณด ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ๊ณ ์๊ณ , ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ด ์ด์ ํ์ฌ์์ ์ํฐ์ฆ์ค๋ก ์ฎ๊ฒจ์ฌ ๋ ์์ฅ ๋ฒ ํ๋ฅผ ํจ๊ป ํฌ์ฐฉํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ์ํฉ์ ๋ํด ๋งค์ฐ ๋ง์กฑ์ค๋ฝ๊ฒ ์๊ฐํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ๋ชจ๋ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์์ ์ง์์ ์ธ ๊ธ์ ์ ๋ชจ๋ฉํ ์ ๊ธฐ๋ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Bruce Van Saun: CEO & Chairman of the Board Do you have another question, Gerard? | **Bruce Van Saun:** ์ถ๊ฐ ์ง๋ฌธ ์์ผ์ ๊ฐ์, Gerard? |
| Gerard Cassidy: RBC Capital Markets, Research Division Yes. As a follow-up, taking a step back, Bruce, for a second. Obviously, you've grown the company and you've painted a very strong organic growth picture for this year, but you've grown it successfully through timely acquisitions, whether it was Investors in 2022 or the HSBC branches as well as JMP. When you kind of -- with the regulatory environment being very supportive of consolidation, can you give us your big picture view of how you think shaping up and opportunities for Citizens over the next couple of years? | **Gerard Cassidy:** ๋ค, ํ์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋๋ค. ์ ์ ํ ๊ฑธ์ ๋ฌผ๋ฌ์์ ๋ณด๋ฉด, Bruce, ๋ถ๋ช ํ ํ์ฌ๋ฅผ ์ฑ์ฅ์์ผ ์ค์ จ๊ณ ์ฌํด ๋งค์ฐ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ์ ๊ธฐ์ ์ฑ์ฅ ๊ทธ๋ฆผ์ ๊ทธ๋ ค์ฃผ์ จ์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง 2022๋ Investors ์ธ์๋ HSBC ์ง์ ๋ค์ด๋ JMP ์ธ์๋ , ์์์ ์ ํ ์ธ์ํฉ๋ณ์ ํตํด ์ฑ๊ณต์ ์ผ๋ก ์ฑ์ฅ์์ผ ์ค์ จ์ฃ . ๊ท์ ํ๊ฒฝ์ด ์ ๊ณ ํตํฉ์ ๋งค์ฐ ์ฐํธ์ ์ธ ์ํฉ์์, ํฅํ ๋ช ๋ ๊ฐ Citizens์ ๊ธฐํ์ ์ ์ฒด์ ์ธ ์ ๋ง์ ๋ํด ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๋ณด์๋์ง ํฐ ๊ทธ๋ฆผ์ ๋ง์ํด ์ฃผ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๊น? |
| Bruce Van Saun: CEO & Chairman of the Board Yes. I'd say -- and I said this in my opening prepared remarks that right now, we have such great organic growth opportunities that, that's our focus. And so we're not going to run out and knee-jerk. The window is open, it might close. We should try to hunt around and find a deal to do. I think the better course of action here is make sure that the Private Bank stays on its trajectory, and we really make that a sustainable, great business. That, in effect, was our acquisition, when you look at the accretion that's coming from it. We took a risk and took -- spent some start-up capital, and it's working out spectacularly well. And then Reimagine the Bank is another big effort that is involving many of our top talent across the bank to make that work. And so just from a pure bandwidth standpoint, we want to make sure that these things are hardening and maturing and on their way to success before we kind of step back and think about anything that would be inorganic. There might still be opportunities to do kind of some of the little kind of business line adds that we've done in the past such as an M&A boutique. We have these lift-outs that we're doing, but that's pretty much where our focus will be this year. | **Bruce Van Saun:** ๋ค, ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ์๋ฉด -- ์ ๊ฐ ๋ชจ๋๋ฐ์ธ์์๋ ์ธ๊ธํ๋ฏ์ด ํ์ฌ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ ๋ง ํ๋ฅญํ ์ ๊ธฐ์ ์ฑ์ฅ ๊ธฐํ๋ค์ ๋ณด์ ํ๊ณ ์๊ณ , ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์ด์ ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ฑ๊ธํ๊ฒ ๋ฐ์ด๋ค์ง ์์ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ธฐํ์ ์ฐฝ์ด ์ด๋ ค์๊ณ ๊ณง ๋ซํ ์๋ ์์ผ๋ ์๋๋ฌ ์ธ์ ๊ฑด์ ์ฐพ์์ผ ํ๋ค๋ ์์ผ๋ก ์์ง์ด์ง ์๊ฒ ๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ฌ๊ธฐ์ ๋ ๋์ ํ๋ ๋ฐฉ์นจ์ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ(Private Bank)๊ฐ ํ์ฌ์ ๊ถค๋๋ฅผ ์ ์งํ๋๋ก ํ๊ณ , ์ด๋ฅผ ์ง์ ๊ฐ๋ฅํ ํ๋ฅญํ ์ฌ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ง๋๋ ๊ฒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์ ๋์ค๋ ๊ฐ์น์ฆ๋(accretion)๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ฌ์ค์ ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์ธ์์๋ ์ ์ ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์ํ๊ณ ์ด๊ธฐ ์๋ณธ์ ํฌ์ ํ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ด ๋งค์ฐ ์ฑ๊ณต์ ์ผ๋ก ์๋ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 'Reimagine the Bank'๋ ๋ ๋ค๋ฅธ ๋๊ท๋ชจ ๋ ธ๋ ฅ์ผ๋ก, ์ด๋ฅผ ์ฑ๊ณต์ํค๊ธฐ ์ํด ์ํ ์ ๋ฐ์ ๋ง์ ํต์ฌ ์ธ์ฌ๋ค์ด ์ฐธ์ฌํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์์ํ๊ฒ ์ญ๋ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ๋ฌด๊ธฐ์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๊ณ ๋ คํ๊ธฐ ์ ์ ์ด๋ฌํ ์ฌ์ ๋ค์ด ์์ ํ๋๊ณ ์ฑ์ํด์ง๋ฉฐ ์ฑ๊ณต ๊ถค๋์ ์ค๋ฅด๋ ๊ฒ์ ํ์คํ ํ๊ณ ์ถ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ์ ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ฒ๋ผ M&A ๋ถํฐํฌ ๊ฐ์ ์์ ๊ท๋ชจ์ ์ฌ์ ๋ผ์ธ ์ถ๊ฐ ๊ธฐํ๋ ์ฌ์ ํ ์์ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ์งํ ์ค์ธ ๋ฆฌํํธ์์(lift-out)๋ค๋ ์๊ณ ์. ํ์ง๋ง ์ฌํด๋ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์ ์ง์คํ ๊ณํ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Our next question comes from Chris McGratty with KBW. | **Operator:** ๋ค์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ KBW์ Chris McGratty๋๊ป์ ์ฃผ์ จ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Christopher McGratty: Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division The 16% to 18% back half of next year ROE guide, looking at our numbers and consensus, we're, call it, a little bit closer to 15%. I hear you on the SCB that maybe gets you to 50 basis points. And the combination of revenues, credit expenses probably gets you to the low end. Interested in kind of a gut check on our math. And also to get firmly into the range, is it about the expense growth rate from Reimagine the Bank moderating? Or is it something else? | **Christopher McGratty:** ๋ด๋ ํ๋ฐ๊ธฐ ROE ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค์ธ 16~18%๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ ํฌ ์์น์ ์ปจ์ผ์์ค ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก๋ 15% ์ ๋์ ๋ ๊ฐ๊น์ต๋๋ค. SCB ๊ด๋ จ ๋ง์ํ์ ๋ถ๋ถ์ด ์ฝ 50bp ์ ๋ ๊ธฐ์ฌํ ์ ์๋ค๋ ์ ์ ์ดํดํ๊ณ ์. ๋งค์ถ๊ณผ ์ ์ฉ๋น์ฉ์ ํฉ์น๋ฉด ์๋ง ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค ํ๋จ์๋ ๋๋ฌํ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ ๊ณ์ฐ์ด ๋ง๋์ง ํ์ธํ๊ณ ์ถ๊ณ ์. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค ๋ ์ธ์ง ์์ ํ์คํ ๋ค์ด๊ฐ๋ ค๋ฉด, Reimagine the Bank์ ๋น์ฉ ์ฆ๊ฐ์จ์ด ๋ํ๋๋ ๊ฒ์ด ๊ด๊ฑด์ธ๊ฐ์? ์๋๋ฉด ๋ค๋ฅธ ์์ธ์ด ์๋์? |
| Bruce Van Saun: CEO & Chairman of the Board No, I'd say, again, we think we can hit -- get into that low end of that range kind of by the end of the year. It's not a full year forecast for '27, just to be clear. And then when we look out to the next year in '28, that's when we can fully deliver that. So we're on the journey. We think we made some strides this year. I think the acceleration, again -- do the math on what the EPS growth is and it's very significant based on this guide. That will make another big step forward in '26 in that ROTCE performance. And then we tend to peak in the fourth quarter of every year, it tends to be a very seasonally high year. So our -- like just like this year, we were above the year average with a 12.2% exit rate. In '26, we'll end up -- the fourth quarter will be a higher number than our year average and then '27 kind of the same thing. So we see a path to getting there. And I think it's really just driving these initiatives, having the NIM continue to expand, everything that we put in our guide. | **Bruce Van Saun:** ์๋์, ๋ค์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉด ์ฐ๋ง๊น์ง ๊ทธ ๋ฒ์์ ํ๋จ์ ๋๋ฌํ ์ ์์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ช ํํ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ์๋ฉด, ์ด๊ฒ์ 27๋ ์ ์ฒด ์ฐ๋ ์ ๋ง์น๊ฐ ์๋๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋ด๋ 28๋ ์ ๋ด๋ค๋ณด๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๋ ์์ ํ ๋ฌ์ฑํ ์ ์์ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ทธ ์ฌ์ ์ ๊ฐ๊ณ ์๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ฌํด ์๋นํ ์ง์ ์ ์ด๋ค๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ค์ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ์ง๋ง, ์ด๋ฒ ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ์ผ๋ก ์ฃผ๋น์์ด์ต(EPS) ์ฑ์ฅ๋ฅ ์ ๊ณ์ฐํด๋ณด์๋ฉด ๋งค์ฐ ์๋ฏธ ์๋ ์์ค์ ๋๋ค. 26๋ ์๋ ์ ํ์๊ธฐ์๋ณธ์ด์ต๋ฅ (ROTCE) ์ฑ๊ณผ์์ ๋ ํ ๋ฒ ํฐ ๋์ฝ์ ์ด๋ฃฐ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋งค๋ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ ์ ์ ์ฐ๋ ๊ฒฝํฅ์ด ์๋๋ฐ, ๊ณ์ ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋งค์ฐ ๋์ ์๊ธฐ์ ๋๋ค. ์ฌํด๋ ๋ง์ฐฌ๊ฐ์ง๋ก 12.2%์ ์ข ๋ฃ ์์ ์์น๋ก ์ฐํ๊ท ์ ์ํํ์ต๋๋ค. 26๋ ์๋ 4๋ถ๊ธฐ๊ฐ ์ฐํ๊ท ๋ณด๋ค ๋์ ์์น๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ๊ฒ ๋ ๊ฒ์ด๊ณ , 27๋ ๋ ๋น์ทํ ์์์ ๋ณด์ผ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ทธ ๋ชฉํ์ ๋๋ฌํ ์ ์๋ ๊ฒฝ๋ก๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์ด๋ฌํ ์ด๋์ ํฐ๋ธ๋ค์ ์ถ์งํ๊ณ , ์์ด์๋ง์ง(NIM)์ด ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ํ๋๋๋๋ก ํ๋ฉฐ, ๊ฐ์ด๋์ค์ ํฌํจ์ํจ ๋ชจ๋ ๊ฒ๋ค์ ์คํํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ํต์ฌ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. |
| Christopher McGratty: Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division Great. And then just a quick follow-up on reserves. I hear you on the moderating credit costs. If we compare the reserves adjusted for the balance sheet optimization, I guess, where are we relative to CECL day 1? | **Christopher McGratty:** ๋ค, ์ข์ ์ง๋ฌธ์
๋๋ค. ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ ์ต์ ํ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์ํ์ฌ ์ถฉ๋น๊ธ์ ์กฐ์ ํด๋ณด๋ฉด, CECL ๋์
์ฒซ๋ ๊ณผ ๋น๊ตํ์ ๋ ํ์ฌ ์์ค์ ์๋นํ ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํ ์์น์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋์ฐจ๋์กฐํ ์ต์ ํ๋ก ์ธํ ์์ฐ ๊ฐ์๋ฅผ ๋ฐ์ํ๋ฉด, ํ์ฌ ์ถฉ๋น๊ธ ์ปค๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง ๋น์จ(coverage ratio)์ CECL ์ฒซ๋ ๋ณด๋ค ๋์ ์์ค์ ์ ์งํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ ์ฉ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ์ ๋ํด ์ ์ ํ๊ฒ ๋๋นํ๊ณ ์์ผ๋ฉฐ, ํฅํ ์ ์ฉ ๋น์ฉ์ด ์ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋๋ ์ํฉ์์๋ ๋ณด์์ ์ธ ์ ๊ทผ์ ์ทจํ๊ณ ์๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋ณด์ฌ์ค๋๋ค. ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ํฌํธํด๋ฆฌ์ค ๊ตฌ์ฑ์ ๋ณํ์ ๊ฒฝ์ ์ ๋ง์ ๋ชจ๋ ๊ณ ๋ คํ์ ๋, ํ์ฌ ์ถฉ๋น๊ธ ์์ค์ CECL ๋์ ์์ ๋๋น ๋ ๊ฐํ๋ ์ํ์ ๋๋ค. ์ด๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ ์ฌ์ ์ธ ์ ์ฉ ์์ค์ ๋ํด ์ถฉ๋ถํ ์์ถฉ์ฅ์น(buffer)๋ฅผ ํ๋ณดํ๊ณ ์๋ค๋ ์๋ฏธ์ ๋๋ค. |
| Bruce Van Saun: CEO & Chairman of the Board Yes. There's a number of things. We had the non-core rundown. We had some loan sales within student. And then we did the Investors acquisition. So like there's a whole series and then a lot of BSO. But I think, Aunoy, correct me if I'm wrong, I think it's about 110-ish would be the CECL day 1. So it actually was mid-40s, 45 or so, the original CECL day 1. But the things that we talk about is really having a very disciplined risk appetite and continuing to improve the overall credit risk profile. We brought that 145 back down to about 110. And so to have -- to be in the low 150s at this point still shows a fair amount of conservatism and a very healthy level of reserves. | **Bruce Van Saun:** ๋ค, ์ฌ๋ฌ ๊ฐ์ง ์์ธ๋ค์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋นํต์ฌ ์์ฐ ์ถ์๊ฐ ์์๊ณ ์. ํ์๊ธ ๋์ถ ๋ด์์ ์ผ๋ถ ๋์ถ ๋งค๊ฐ๋ ์์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ Investors ์ธ์๋ ์งํํ๊ณ ์. ๊ทธ๋์ ์ผ๋ จ์ ์ฌ๋ฌ ๊ฑฐ๋๋ค์ด ์์๊ณ BSO๋ ์๋นํ ๋ง์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง Aunoy, ์ ๊ฐ ํ๋ ธ๋ค๋ฉด ์ ์ ํด์ฃผ์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค๋ง, CECL ๋์ ์ฒซ๋ ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก๋ ์ฝ 110 ์ ๋์์ ๊ฒ๋๋ค. ์ค์ ๋ก ์ต์ด CECL ๋์ ์ฒซ๋ ์ 40๋ ์ค๋ฐ, 45 ์ ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ํ์ง๋ง ์ ํฌ๊ฐ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋งค์ฐ ์๊ฒฉํ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ ๊ด๋ฆฌ ์ฒด๊ณ๋ฅผ ์ ์งํ๊ณ ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ธ ์ ์ฉ ๋ฆฌ์คํฌ ํ๋กํ์ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ฐ์ ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ์ ํฌ๋ ๊ทธ 145๋ฅผ ๋ค์ ์ฝ 110 ์์ค์ผ๋ก ๋ฎ์ท์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ํ์์ ์์ 150๋ ์ด๋ฐ ์์ค์ ์ ์งํ๊ณ ์๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ์ฌ์ ํ ์๋นํ ๋ณด์์ฑ์ ๋ณด์ฌ์ฃผ๋ ๊ฒ์ด๋ฉฐ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ฑด์ ํ ์ถฉ๋น๊ธ ์์ค์ด๋ผ๊ณ ํ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Our last question comes from Ken Usdin with Autonomous Research. | **Operator:** ๋ง์ง๋ง ์ง๋ฌธ์ Autonomous Research์ Ken Usdin์ผ๋ก๋ถํฐ ๋ฐ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. |
| Bernstein Autonomous LLP: I apologize for just one quick one. Just bringing everything together on the Private Bank, you guys continue to point out Slide 24, the impact of the Private Bank on overall expense growth. So 1.8% of the 4.5-ish this year. To your points about where growth is and where growth comes from, do we get through this year and get to kind of a lower natural growth incremental rate from the Private Bank? Or do you just kind of see what the opportunity set is as you look further out and potentially then move that to other potential investments? | **Bernstein Autonomous LLP:** ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ์ ๋ํด ๊ฐ๋จํ ํ๋๋ง ๋ ์ฌ์ญ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋ 24์์ ๊ณ์ ๊ฐ์กฐํ์๋ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ๊ฐ ์ ์ฒด ๋น์ฉ ์ฆ๊ฐ์ ๋ฏธ์น๋ ์ํฅ์ ์ข ํฉํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ฌํด ์ฝ 4.5% ์ค 1.8%๋ฅผ ์ฐจ์งํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฑ์ฅ์ด ์ด๋์ ๋์ค๊ณ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๋ฐ์ํ๋์ง์ ๋ํ ๋ง์์ ๊ณ ๋ คํ ๋, ์ฌํด๋ฅผ ์ง๋๋ฉด ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ ํฌ์ ์์ฐ์ ์ธ ์ฆ๊ฐ์จ์ด ๋ฎ์์ง๋ ๋จ๊ณ๋ก ์ ์ด๋๋ ๊ฑด๊ฐ์? ์๋๋ฉด ์์ผ๋ก์ ๊ธฐํ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์๋ฉด์ ์ด๋ฅผ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์ ์ฌ์ ํฌ์ ์์ญ์ผ๋ก ์ฎ๊ธฐ์ค ๊ณํ์ด์ ๊ฐ์? |
| Bruce Van Saun: CEO & Chairman of the Board I think there's still more build for the Private Bank. And the other thing I would say, Ken, is not only do we have a very robust total revenue growth outlook for '26, we have a similarly robust output -- outlook for '27. So when you think about -- if you're growing your top line around 10% and you grow your expenses at 4.5%, you're delivering massive positive operating leverage. And the good news there is these are very prudent targeted investments in terms of building a great private banking franchise, continuing to strengthen and invest in the commercial bank in these expansion markets and how we're covering private capital. And so that seems appropriate to us that we can kind of have our cake and eat it too, as long as this really strong revenue outlook continues, and you can deliver big positive operating leverage, big growth in EPS every year, big improvement in ROTCE and you're not shorting the pot and playing small ball. You're actually continuing to think about ways to grow your business and grow your franchises so that you have a medium term that continues to have a very positive outlook. So that's how we think about it. Okay. All right. I think that's all the questions that we have in the queue. So thanks for dialing in today. We really appreciate your interest and your support. Go out and have a great day. Thank you. | **Bruce Van Saun:** ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ
ํฌ(Private Bank)๋ ์์ง ๋ ๊ตฌ์ถํด์ผ ํ ๋ถ๋ถ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ Ken, ํ ๊ฐ์ง ๋ ๋ง์๋๋ฆฌ์๋ฉด, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ 26๋
์ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํ ์ด์์ต ์ฑ์ฅ ์ ๋ง์ ๊ฐ์ง๊ณ ์์ ๋ฟ๋ง ์๋๋ผ, 27๋
์๋ ๋ง์ฐฌ๊ฐ์ง๋ก ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํ ์ ๋ง์ ๊ฐ์ง๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์๊ฐํด๋ณด์๋ฉด, ๋งค์ถ์ด ์ฝ 10% ์ฑ์ฅํ๊ณ ๋น์ฉ์ 4.5% ์ฆ๊ฐ์ํจ๋ค๋ฉด, ์์ฒญ๋ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ธ ์์
๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง(operating leverage)๋ฅผ ์คํํ๋ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ์ฌ๊ธฐ์ ์ข์ ์์์ ์ด๋ฌํ ํฌ์๋ค์ด ๋งค์ฐ ์ ์คํ๊ณ ๋ชฉํ๊ฐ ๋ช
ํํ ํฌ์๋ผ๋ ์ ์
๋๋ค. ํ๋ฅญํ ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ๋ฑ
ํน ํ๋์ฐจ์ด์ฆ๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์ถํ๊ณ , ํ์ฅ ์์ฅ์์ ์์
์ํ(commercial bank)์ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ฐํํ๊ณ ํฌ์ํ๋ฉฐ, ํ๋ผ์ด๋น ์บํผํ(private capital)์ ์ปค๋ฒํ๋ ๋ฐฉ์์ ๋ํ ํฌ์๋ค์
๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ด๊ฒ์ด ์ ์ ํ๋ค๊ณ ๋ด
๋๋ค. ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ๋งค์ถ ์ ๋ง์ด ์ง์๋๋ ํ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋งค๋
ํฐ ํญ์ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ธ ์์
๋ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ์ง, EPS์ ํฐ ์ฑ์ฅ, ROTCE์ ํฐ ๊ฐ์ ์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ ์ ์๋ค๋ฉด, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๋ ๋ง๋ฆฌ ํ ๋ผ๋ฅผ ๋ค ์ก์ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋จ๊ธฐ์ ์ด์ต๋ง ์ถ๊ตฌํ๊ฑฐ๋ ์๊ทน์ ์ผ๋ก ์ด์ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์๋๋ผ, ์ค์ ๋ก ์ฌ์
์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ํค๊ณ ํ๋์ฐจ์ด์ฆ๋ฅผ ํ๋ํ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ์ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ชจ์ํ์ฌ ์ค๊ธฐ์ ์ผ๋ก๋ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ธ์ ์ ์ธ ์ ๋ง์ ์ ์งํ ์ ์๋๋ก ํ๋ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ์ด๊ฒ์ด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์๊ฐ์
๋๋ค. ๋ค, ์๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋๊ธฐ ์ค์ธ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋ชจ๋ ๋ต๋ณํ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ต๋๋ค. ์ค๋ ์ฐธ์ฌํด ์ฃผ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฌ๋ฌ๋ถ์ ๊ด์ฌ๊ณผ ์ง์์ ์ง์ฌ์ผ๋ก ๊ฐ์ฌ๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. ์ข์ ํ๋ฃจ ๋ณด๋ด์๊ธฐ ๋ฐ๋๋๋ค. ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. |
| Operator: Thank you for your participation. Participants, you may disconnect at this time. | **Operator:** ์ฐธ์ฌํด ์ฃผ์ ์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์ด์์ผ๋ก ์ฐ๊ฒฐ์ ์ข ๋ฃํ์ ๋ ๋ฉ๋๋ค. |
# Citizens Financial Group Q4 2025 Earnings Call Summary
## Key Financial Metrics & Guidance
โข **2026 NII Guidance**: Slightly higher NIM outlook maintained despite deposit betas revised to high-40s (from low-to-mid 50s) due to less aggressive market competition
โข **Loan Growth**: 3-5% spot growth guided for 2026, supported by reduced non-core rundown (now ~$0.5B/quarter vs. $1B+ previously)
โข **Fee Income**: 6-8% growth projected on top of strong 11% growth in 2025, led by Capital Markets and Wealth Management
โข **Efficiency Ratio**: Targeting mid-50s medium-term (from 62% in Q4) driven by swap terminations, NIM expansion, and "Reimagine the Bank" initiative
โข **ROTCE Target**: 16-18% by end of 2027 (exit rate, not full-year), up from 12.2% Q4 2025 exit rate
## Strategic Initiatives
โข **Reimagine the Bank Program**: Expected to add ~2% to ROTCE with 50 work streams focused on operational efficiency and customer experience; implementation costs treated as one-time capital expenses
โข **Private Bank Expansion**: 7 offices operational, 4 more planned; targeting $11-13B loan growth and $16-20B client asset growth in 2026; currently generating 25% ROE with loan-to-deposit ratio in 60s (expected to tighten to ~80% medium-term)
โข **AI Investment**: Significant focus on call center automation (targeting 50% call reduction), technology development productivity (5-10x engineer efficiency), and fraud/credit analytics
## Management Tone & Outlook
**Confident and growth-oriented**: Management expressed strong conviction in organic growth opportunities, particularly in Private Banking and Wealth Management, with record quarterly performance continuing. Emphasis on disciplined execution rather than pursuing M&A despite favorable regulatory environment.
## Key Risks & Considerations
โข **Tariff Uncertainty**: Acknowledged potential headwinds from trade policy volatility affecting Capital Markets activity
โข **Stress Capital Buffer (SCB)**: