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๐Ÿ“„ Earnings Call Transcript ๋ฒˆ์—ญ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ

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Simon Property Group, Inc.# ์‚ฌ์ด๋จผ ํ”„๋กœํผํ‹ฐ ๊ทธ๋ฃน(Simon Property Group, Inc.)

*์ฐธ๊ณ : ์‹ค์ œ ์–ด๋‹์ฝœ ๋‚ด์šฉ์ด ์ œ๊ณต๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ์„ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด๋‹์ฝœ ์›๋ฌธ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๋ฉด ์ „๋ฌธ์ ์ด๊ณ  ์ •ํ™•ํ•œ ํ•œ๊ตญ์–ด ๋ฒˆ์—ญ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ด ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.*

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**๋ฒˆ์—ญ ์‹œ ์œ ์ง€๋  ์ฃผ์š” ์›์น™:**

- **์žฌ๋ฌด ์šฉ์–ด์˜ ์ •ํ™•์„ฑ**: FFO(Funds From Operations), NOI(Net Operating Income), cap rate, occupancy rate ๋“ฑ ๋ถ€๋™์‚ฐ ๋ฆฌ์ธ  ๊ด€๋ จ ์ „๋ฌธ ์šฉ์–ด๋Š” ์—…๊ณ„ ํ‘œ์ค€ ํ•œ๊ตญ์–ด ํ‘œํ˜„ ์‚ฌ์šฉ
- **ํ™”์ž์˜ ์–ด์กฐ ๋ณด์กด**: ๊ฒฝ์˜์ง„์˜ ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ, ์šฐ๋ ค, ๊ฐ•์กฐ์  ๋“ฑ์„ ์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ํ•œ๊ตญ์–ด๋กœ ์ „๋‹ฌ
- **์ˆซ์ž ๋ฐ ๋ฐ์ดํ„ฐ**: ์›๋ฌธ ๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๋˜ ํ•œ๊ตญ์–ด ๋ฌธ๋งฅ์— ๋งž๊ฒŒ ํ‘œํ˜„
- **์ „๋ฌธ์„ฑ**: ๊ธฐ๊ด€ํˆฌ์ž์ž ๋ฐ ์• ๋„๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์ฝ๊ธฐ์— ์ ํ•ฉํ•œ ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ๊ธˆ์œต ํ•œ๊ตญ์–ด ์‚ฌ์šฉ

์–ด๋‹์ฝœ ์›๋ฌธ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๋ฉด ์ฆ‰์‹œ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ ์ž‘์—…์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
(SPG) Q4 2025 Earnings Call February 2, 2026 5:00 PM EST

Company Participants

Thomas Ward - Senior Vice President of Investor Relations
David Simon - Chairman, CEO & President
Eli Simon - COO, Executive VP, Chief Investment Officer & Director
Brian McDade - Executive VP & CFO

Conference Call Participants

Caitlin Burrows - Goldman Sachs Group, Inc., Research Division
Samir Khanal - BofA Securities, Research Division
Michael Griffin - Evercore ISI Institutional Equities, Research Division
Michael Goldsmith - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division
Alexander Goldfarb - Piper Sandler & Co., Research Division
Craig Mailman - Citigroup Inc., Research Division
Greg McGinniss - Scotiabank Global Banking and Markets, Research Division
Vince Tibone - Green Street Advisors, LLC, Research Division
Floris Gerbrand Van Dijkum - Ladenburg Thalmann & Co.
# (SPG) 2025๋…„ 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์‹ค์  ๋ฐœํ‘œ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ 2026๋…„ 2์›” 2์ผ ์˜คํ›„ 5์‹œ(๋™๋ถ€ ํ‘œ์ค€์‹œ)

ํšŒ์‚ฌ ์ฐธ์„์ž

ํ† ๋งˆ์Šค ์›Œ๋“œ - ํˆฌ์ž์ž ๊ด€๊ณ„ ๋‹ด๋‹น ์ˆ˜์„ ๋ถ€์‚ฌ์žฅ
๋ฐ์ด๋น„๋“œ ์‚ฌ์ด๋จผ - ํšŒ์žฅ, CEO ๊ฒธ ์‚ฌ์žฅ
์ผ๋ผ์ด ์‚ฌ์ด๋จผ - COO, ์ „๋ฌด์ด์‚ฌ, ์ตœ๊ณ ํˆฌ์ž์ฑ…์ž„์ž ๊ฒธ ์ด์‚ฌ
๋ธŒ๋ผ์ด์–ธ ๋งฅ๋ฐ์ด๋“œ - ์ „๋ฌด์ด์‚ฌ ๊ฒธ CFO

์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ ์ฐธ์—ฌ ์• ๋„๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ

์ผ€์ดํ‹€๋ฆฐ ๋ฒ„๋กœ์šฐ์Šค - ๊ณจ๋“œ๋งŒ์‚ญ์Šค ๊ทธ๋ฃน, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
์‚ฌ๋ฏธ๋ฅด ์นด๋‚  - ๋ฑ…ํฌ์˜ค๋ธŒ์•„๋ฉ”๋ฆฌ์นด ์ฆ๊ถŒ, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
๋งˆ์ดํด ๊ทธ๋ฆฌํ•€ - ์—๋ฒ„์ฝ”์–ด ISI ๊ธฐ๊ด€ํˆฌ์ž์ž ์ฆ๊ถŒ, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
๋งˆ์ดํด ๊ณจ๋“œ์Šค๋ฏธ์Šค - UBS ์ธ๋ฒ ์ŠคํŠธ๋จผํŠธ ๋ฑ…ํฌ, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
์•Œ๋ ‰์‚ฐ๋” ๊ณจ๋“œํŒŒ๋ธŒ - ํŒŒ์ดํผ ์ƒŒ๋“ค๋Ÿฌ, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
ํฌ๋ ˆ์ด๊ทธ ๋ฉ”์ผ๋จผ - ์‹œํ‹ฐ๊ทธ๋ฃน, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
๊ทธ๋ ‰ ๋งฅ๊ธฐ๋‹ˆ์Šค - ์Šค์ฝ”์ƒค๋ฑ…ํฌ ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ ๋ฑ…ํ‚น ์•ค ๋งˆ์ผ“, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
๋นˆ์Šค ํ‹ฐ๋ณธ - ๊ทธ๋ฆฐ ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฆฌํŠธ ์–ด๋“œ๋ฐ”์ด์ €์Šค, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
ํ”Œ๋กœ๋ฆฌ์Šค ๊ฒŒ๋ฅด๋ธŒ๋ž€ํŠธ ํŒ ๋ฐ์ด์ฟฐ - ๋ผ๋ด๋ฒ„๊ทธ ํƒˆ๋งŒ
Inc., Research Division
Omotayo Okusanya - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division
Linda Yu Tsai - Jefferies LLC, Research Division
Michael Mueller - JPMorgan Chase & Co, Research Division
Haendel St. Juste - Mizuho Securities USA LLC, Research Division
Juan Sanabria - BMO Capital Markets Equity Research
Richard Hightower - Barclays Bank PLC, Research Division
Ronald Kamdem - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Presentation

Operator

Greetings. Welcome to Simon Property Group's Fourth Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to Tom Ward, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations.
# ์‚ฌ์ด๋จผ ํ”„๋กœํผํ‹ฐ ๊ทธ๋ฃน 2025๋…„ 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์‹ค์  ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ

## ์ฐธ์„์ž

### ์• ๋„๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ

- **Omotayo Okusanya** - Deutsche Bank AG, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
- **Linda Yu Tsai** - Jefferies LLC, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
- **Michael Mueller** - JPMorgan Chase & Co, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
- **Haendel St. Juste** - Mizuho Securities USA LLC, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
- **Juan Sanabria** - BMO Capital Markets ์ฃผ์‹ ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜
- **Richard Hightower** - Barclays Bank PLC, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ
- **Ronald Kamdem** - Morgan Stanley, ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ

## ๋ฐœํ‘œ

### ์˜คํผ๋ ˆ์ดํ„ฐ

์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ. ์‚ฌ์ด๋จผ ํ”„๋กœํผํ‹ฐ ๊ทธ๋ฃน์˜ 2025๋…„ 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์‹ค์  ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ์— ์˜ค์‹  ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ™˜์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. [์šด์˜์ž ์•ˆ๋‚ด์‚ฌํ•ญ] ๋ณธ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค๋Š” ๋…น์Œ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Œ์„ ์•Œ๋ ค๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ํˆฌ์ž์ž ๊ด€๊ณ„ ๋‹ด๋‹น ์ˆ˜์„ ๋ถ€์‚ฌ์žฅ Tom Ward์—๊ฒŒ ์ง„ํ–‰์„ ๋„˜๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Thank you. You may begin. Thomas Ward
Senior Vice President of Investor Relations

Thank you, Juan, and thank you all for joining us this evening. Presenting on today's call are David Simon, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President; Eli Simon, Chief Operating Officer; and Brian McDade, Chief Financial Officer. A quick reminder that statements made during this call may be deemed forward-looking statements within the meaning of the safe harbor of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. And actual results may differ materially due to a variety of risks, uncertainties and other factors.
๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜์…”๋„ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

Thomas Ward
ํˆฌ์ž์ž ๊ด€๊ณ„ ๋‹ด๋‹น ์ˆ˜์„ ๋ถ€์‚ฌ์žฅ

๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, Juan. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ €๋… ์ฐธ์„ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹  ๋ชจ๋“  ๋ถ„๋“ค๊ป˜ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ์—๋Š” David Simon ํšŒ์žฅ ๊ฒธ ์ตœ๊ณ ๊ฒฝ์˜์ž ๊ฒธ ์‚ฌ์žฅ, Eli Simon ์ตœ๊ณ ์šด์˜์ฑ…์ž„์ž, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Brian McDade ์ตœ๊ณ ์žฌ๋ฌด์ฑ…์ž„์ž๊ฐ€ ์ฐธ์„ํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ„๋‹จํžˆ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ๋ณธ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ์—์„œ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง€๋Š” ๋ฐœ์–ธ๋“ค์€ 1995๋…„ ์ฆ๊ถŒ์†Œ์†ก๊ฐœํ˜๋ฒ•(Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995)์˜ ์„ธ์ดํ”„ ํ•˜๋ฒ„ ์กฐํ•ญ์— ๋”ฐ๋ฅธ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์˜ˆ์ธก์ง„์ˆ (forward-looking statements)๋กœ ๊ฐ„์ฃผ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋ฆฌ์Šคํฌ, ๋ถˆํ™•์‹ค์„ฑ ๋ฐ ๊ธฐํƒ€ ์š”์ธ๋“ค๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ์‹ค์ œ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋Š” ํฌ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ฌ๋ผ์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Œ์„ ์•Œ๋ ค๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
We refer you to today's press release and our SEC filings for a detailed discussion of the risk factors relating to those forward-looking statements. Please note that this call includes information that may be accurate only as of today's date. Reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are included within the press release and the supplemental information in today's Form 8-K filing. Both the press release and the supplemental information are available on our IR website at investors.simon.com. Our conference call this evening will be limited to 1 hour.์˜ค๋Š˜ ๋ณด๋„์ž๋ฃŒ์™€ SEC ์ œ์ถœ ์„œ๋ฅ˜์—์„œ ํ•ด๋‹น ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์˜ˆ์ธก์ง„์ˆ ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ์œ„ํ—˜์š”์ธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ƒ์„ธํ•œ ๋…ผ์˜๋ฅผ ์ฐธ์กฐํ•˜์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ณธ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ์—๋Š” ์˜ค๋Š˜ ๋‚ ์งœ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ๋งŒ ์ •ํ™•ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ •๋ณด๊ฐ€ ํฌํ•จ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Œ์„ ์œ ์˜ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„-GAAP ์žฌ๋ฌด์ง€ํ‘œ์™€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ง์ ‘์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋น„๊ต ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•œ GAAP ์ง€ํ‘œ ๊ฐ„์˜ ์กฐ์ •๋‚ด์—ญ์€ ๋ณด๋„์ž๋ฃŒ ๋ฐ ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ œ์ถœ๋œ Form 8-K์˜ ๋ณด์ถฉ์ž๋ฃŒ์— ํฌํ•จ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ณด๋„์ž๋ฃŒ์™€ ๋ณด์ถฉ์ž๋ฃŒ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋‹น์‚ฌ IR ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ investors.simon.com์—์„œ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ €๋… ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ์€ 1์‹œ๊ฐ„์œผ๋กœ ์ œํ•œ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
For those who would like to participate in the question-and-answer session, we ask that you please respect our request to limit yourself to 1 question. I'm pleased to introduce David Simon. David Simon
Chairman, CEO & President

Good evening. We delivered strong financial and operational results in the fourth quarter, capping another impressive year for our company. We achieved excellent leasing performance, acquired $2 billion of high-quality retail properties, completed more than 20 major redevelopment projects and opened a new premium outlet in Indonesia. We reported record real estate funds from operations of $4.8 billion or $12.73 per share.
์งˆ์˜์‘๋‹ต ์„ธ์…˜์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•˜๊ณ ์ž ํ•˜์‹œ๋Š” ๋ถ„๋“ค๊ป˜์„œ๋Š” ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ 1๊ฐœ๋กœ ์ œํ•œํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹ค ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ •์ค‘ํžˆ ์š”์ฒญ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ์ด๋น„๋“œ ์‚ฌ์ด๋จผ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์–ด ๊ธฐ์ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ฐ์ด๋น„๋“œ ์‚ฌ์ด๋จผ
ํšŒ์žฅ, CEO ๊ฒธ ์‚ฌ์žฅ

์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ. ๋‹น์‚ฌ๋Š” 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— ๊ฒฌ์กฐํ•œ ์žฌ๋ฌด ๋ฐ ์šด์˜ ์‹ค์ ์„ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•˜๋ฉฐ ๋˜ ํ•œ ํ•ด์˜ ์ธ์ƒ์ ์ธ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋งˆ๋ฌด๋ฆฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ์ˆ˜ํ•œ ๋ฆฌ์‹ฑ ์‹ค์ ์„ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, 20์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์˜ ๊ณ ํ’ˆ์งˆ ๋ฆฌํ…Œ์ผ ๋ถ€๋™์‚ฐ์„ ์ธ์ˆ˜ํ–ˆ๊ณ , 20๊ฐœ ์ด์ƒ์˜ ์ฃผ์š” ์žฌ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋ฅผ ์™„๋ฃŒํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ธ๋„๋„ค์‹œ์•„์— ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์—„ ์•„์šธ๋ ›์„ ๊ฐœ์žฅํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‚ฌ๋Š” ๋ถ€๋™์‚ฐ ์šด์˜์ž๊ธˆํ๋ฆ„(FFO) ๊ธฐ์ค€ 48์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ, ์ฃผ๋‹น 12.73๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ๊ธฐ๋ก์ ์ธ ์‹ค์ ์„ ๋ณด๊ณ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Our results reflect solid fundamentals, strong occupancy, accelerating shopper traffic growth, healthy and growing retail sales, positive supply and demand dynamics, all driving improvement in our cash flow. We returned approximately $3.5 billion in cash to our shareholders through common stock repurchases and record cash dividends. In our yearly tally, we have now paid approximately $48 billion in cash to shareholders in dividends over our history as a public company. With that, I'm now going to turn it over to Eli, who will discuss our leasing and investment activities, and then Brian will cover our fourth quarter results and our outlook for next year in more detail.์ €ํฌ ์‹ค์ ์€ ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํ•œ ํŽ€๋”๋ฉ˜ํ„ธ, ๋†’์€ ์ž…์ฃผ์œจ, ๊ฐ€์†ํ™”๋˜๋Š” ์‡ผํ•‘๊ฐ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธ ์ฆ๊ฐ€, ๊ฑด์ „ํ•˜๊ณ  ์„ฑ์žฅํ•˜๋Š” ์†Œ๋งค ๋งค์ถœ, ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ์ˆ˜๊ธ‰ ์—ญํ•™์„ ๋ฐ˜์˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ˜„๊ธˆํ๋ฆ„ ๊ฐœ์„ ์„ ๊ฒฌ์ธํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ž์‚ฌ์ฃผ ๋งค์ž…๊ณผ ์‚ฌ์ƒ ์ตœ๋Œ€ ํ˜„๊ธˆ๋ฐฐ๋‹น์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ฃผ์ฃผ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์•ฝ 35์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ํ˜„๊ธˆ์„ ํ™˜์›ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ์ง‘๊ณ„ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ, ์ƒ์žฅ ๊ธฐ์—…์œผ๋กœ์„œ์˜ ์—ญ์‚ฌ ๋™์•ˆ ๋ฐฐ๋‹น๊ธˆ์œผ๋กœ ์ฃผ์ฃผ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ง€๊ธ‰ํ•œ ํ˜„๊ธˆ์ด ์ด์ œ ์•ฝ 480์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์— ๋‹ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ Eli์—๊ฒŒ ๋งˆ์ดํฌ๋ฅผ ๋„˜๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Eli๋Š” ๋ฆฌ์‹ฑ ๋ฐ ํˆฌ์ž ํ™œ๋™์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆด ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ด์–ด์„œ Brian์ด 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์‹ค์ ๊ณผ ๋‚ด๋…„ ์ „๋ง์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋” ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์„ค๋ช…๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Eli Simon
COO, Executive VP, Chief Investment Officer & Director

Thank you. During 2025, we acquired The Mall, 2 well-known luxury outlet centers in Italy; our partners' interest in Brickell City Centre, a premier mixed-use property in Miami's rapidly growing central business district; the remaining 12% interest in Taubman Realty Group we did not previously own and Phillips Place, a high productivity open air retail center in Charlotte, a market that we know well with significant upside from remerchandising and densification.
์—˜๋ฆฌ ์‚ฌ์ด๋จผ
์ตœ๊ณ ์šด์˜์ฑ…์ž„์ž(COO), ์ „๋ฌด์ด์‚ฌ, ์ตœ๊ณ ํˆฌ์ž์ฑ…์ž„์ž ๊ฒธ ์ด์‚ฌ

๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 2025๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ๋‹น์‚ฌ๋Š” ์ดํƒˆ๋ฆฌ์•„์˜ ์œ ๋ช… ๋Ÿญ์…”๋ฆฌ ์•„์šธ๋ › ์„ผํ„ฐ 2๊ณณ์ธ The Mall์„ ์ธ์ˆ˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์„ฑ์žฅํ•˜๋Š” ๋งˆ์ด์• ๋ฏธ ์ค‘์‹ฌ์—…๋ฌด์ง€๊ตฌ์˜ ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์–ด ๋ณตํ•ฉ์šฉ๋„ ๋ถ€๋™์‚ฐ์ธ Brickell City Centre์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ ์ง€๋ถ„์„ ์ธ์ˆ˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด์ „์— ๋ณด์œ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋˜ Taubman Realty Group์˜ ์ž”์—ฌ 12% ์ง€๋ถ„๊ณผ, ๋‹น์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์ž˜ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์‹œ์žฅ์ธ ์ƒฌ๋Ÿฟ์˜ ๊ณ ์ƒ์‚ฐ์„ฑ ์˜คํ”ˆ์—์–ด ๋ฆฌํ…Œ์ผ ์„ผํ„ฐ Phillips Place๋ฅผ ์ธ์ˆ˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Phillips Place๋Š” ๋ฆฌ๋จธ์ฒœ๋‹ค์ด์ง•(์žฌ์ž„์ฐจ ๊ตฌ์„ฑ)๊ณผ ๊ณ ๋ฐ€๋„ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ์ƒ์Šน ์—ฌ๋ ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
These deals enhance the quality of our portfolio, and we look forward to deploy our leasing and property management expertise, along with our strong balance sheet, pursue new growth and value creation opportunities across these properties. Retailer demand remains strong across our portfolio. We signed more than 1,300 leases totaling over 4.4 million square feet during the quarter and over 4,600 leases for more than 17 million square feet for the year. Approximately 30% of our annual volume was new deals, reflecting continued strong demand across our portfolio. Now turning to development.์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋“ค์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์˜ ์งˆ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๋ฉฐ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฆฌ์‹ฑ ๋ฐ ์ž์‚ฐ๊ด€๋ฆฌ ์ „๋ฌธ์„ฑ๊ณผ ํƒ„ํƒ„ํ•œ ์žฌ๋ฌด๊ตฌ์กฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”ํƒ•์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋“ค ๋ถ€๋™์‚ฐ ์ „๋ฐ˜์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์„ฑ์žฅ๊ณผ ๊ฐ€์น˜ ์ฐฝ์ถœ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์ถ”๊ตฌํ•  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค ์ „๋ฐ˜์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ์†Œ๋งค์—…์ฒด ์ˆ˜์š”๋Š” ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๊ฐ•์„ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋™์•ˆ ์ด 440๋งŒ ํ‰๋ฐฉํ”ผํŠธ๊ฐ€ ๋„˜๋Š” 1,300๊ฑด ์ด์ƒ์˜ ๋ฆฌ์Šค ๊ณ„์•ฝ์„ ์ฒด๊ฒฐํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ๋Š” 1,700๋งŒ ํ‰๋ฐฉํ”ผํŠธ๊ฐ€ ๋„˜๋Š” 4,600๊ฑด ์ด์ƒ์˜ ๋ฆฌ์Šค ๊ณ„์•ฝ์„ ์ฒด๊ฒฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋Ÿ‰์˜ ์•ฝ 30%๊ฐ€ ์‹ ๊ทœ ๊ณ„์•ฝ์ด์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค ์ „๋ฐ˜์— ๊ฑธ์นœ ์ง€์†์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ•ํ•œ ์ˆ˜์š”๋ฅผ ๋ฐ˜์˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์œผ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
We completed more than 20 significant redevelopment projects in 2025, including retail and experiential additions at Southdale Center, Stanford Shopping Center, King of Prussia, and The Forum Shops at Caesars and mixed-use additions, including hotel and residential at Northgate Station and Lakeline Mall respectively. In 2026, notable retail and mixed-use projects scheduled to come online include Brea Mall, Northgate Station First Phase of residential and open air expansion with restaurants and retails at the shops in Mission Viejo; Briarwood Mall with the new Harvest Market, Dick's Sporting Goods and Residential, and Tacoma Mall, New Village shops and restaurants.2025๋…„์—๋Š” Southdale Center, Stanford Shopping Center, King of Prussia, The Forum Shops at Caesars์˜ ๋ฆฌํ…Œ์ผ ๋ฐ ์ฒดํ—˜ํ˜• ์‹œ์„ค ์ถ”๊ฐ€, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Northgate Station์˜ ํ˜ธํ…”, Lakeline Mall์˜ ์ฃผ๊ฑฐ์‹œ์„ค์„ ํฌํ•จํ•œ ๋ณตํ•ฉ์šฉ๋„ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ๋“ฑ 20๊ฐœ ์ด์ƒ์˜ ์ฃผ์š” ์žฌ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋ฅผ ์™„๋ฃŒํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 2026๋…„์—๋Š” ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ•  ๋งŒํ•œ ๋ฆฌํ…Œ์ผ ๋ฐ ๋ณตํ•ฉ์šฉ๋„ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋“ค์ด ๊ฐœ์žฅ ์˜ˆ์ •์ธ๋ฐ, Brea Mall, Northgate Station ์ฃผ๊ฑฐ์‹œ์„ค 1๋‹จ๊ณ„ ๋ฐ ๋ ˆ์Šคํ† ๋ž‘๊ณผ ๋ฆฌํ…Œ์ผ์ด ์ž…์ ํ•˜๋Š” ์˜คํ”ˆ์—์–ด ํ™•์žฅ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ์ธ The Shops at Mission Viejo, ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด Harvest Market, Dick's Sporting Goods, ์ฃผ๊ฑฐ์‹œ์„ค์ด ๋“ค์–ด์„œ๋Š” Briarwood Mall, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Tacoma Mall์˜ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๋นŒ๋ฆฌ์ง€ ์ƒ์ ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ ๋ ˆ์Šคํ† ๋ž‘ ๋“ฑ์ด ํฌํ•จ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
We also expect to begin to construction on exciting new projects, including anchor redevelopments at Fashion Mall at Keystone and Town Center at Boca Raton, expansions at Toronto, Desert Hills and Woodbury Common Premium Outlets are progressing and [ Sage Hill ], our new open-air retail and mixed-use development in Nashville. We also plan to enhance the merchandise mix and invest in meaningful capital upgrades at former TRG assets, including the Mall at Green Hills, International Plaza and Cherry Creek Shopping Center.๋˜ํ•œ Fashion Mall at Keystone๊ณผ Town Center at Boca Raton์˜ ์•ต์ปค ์žฌ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ, Toronto, Desert Hills, Woodbury Common Premium Outlets์˜ ํ™•์žฅ ๊ณต์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์ง„ํ–‰ ์ค‘์ด๋ฉฐ, ๋‚ด์Šˆ๋นŒ์˜ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์˜คํ”ˆ์—์–ด ๋ฆฌํ…Œ์ผ ๋ฐ ๋ณตํ•ฉ์šฉ๋„ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ์ธ [Sage Hill] ๋“ฑ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์‹ ๊ทœ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋“ค์˜ ์ฐฉ๊ณต์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ Mall at Green Hills, International Plaza, Cherry Creek Shopping Center ๋“ฑ ๊ตฌ TRG ์ž์‚ฐ๋“ค์˜ ํ…Œ๋„ŒํŠธ ๋ฏน์Šค๋ฅผ ๊ฐœ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์˜๋ฏธ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž๋ณธ์  ์ง€์ถœ์„ ํ†ตํ•œ ์‹œ์„ค ๊ฐœ์„ ์„ ๊ณ„ํšํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
At year-end, our share of the net cost of developments across all platforms totaled approximately $1.5 billion with a blended yield of 9%, approximately 45% of net costs are from mixed-use projects. Our pipeline of new development and redevelopment opportunities continues to grow and now exceeds $4 billion. I will now turn it over to Brian, who will walk through our fourth quarter results. Brian McDade
Executive VP & CFO

Thank you, Eli. Real Estate FFO was $3.49 per share in the fourth quarter compared to $3.35 in the prior year, 4.2% growth. Domestic and international operations both performed well, contributing $0.26 of growth driven by a higher lease income across the business.
์—ฐ๋ง ๊ธฐ์ค€, ๋ชจ๋“  ํ”Œ๋žซํผ์— ๊ฑธ์นœ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ ์ˆœ๋น„์šฉ ์ค‘ ๋‹น์‚ฌ ์ง€๋ถ„์€ ์•ฝ 15์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์ด๋ฉฐ, ๋ธ”๋ Œ๋””๋“œ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์€ 9%์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ˆœ๋น„์šฉ์˜ ์•ฝ 45%๋Š” ๋ณตํ•ฉ์šฉ๋„ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ์—์„œ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹ ๊ทœ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ ๋ฐ ์žฌ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ ๊ธฐํšŒ ํŒŒ์ดํ”„๋ผ์ธ์€ ๊ณ„์† ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ํ˜„์žฌ 40์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ์ดˆ๊ณผํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์‹ค์ ์„ ์„ค๋ช…๋“œ๋ฆด Brian์—๊ฒŒ ๋„˜๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

Brian McDade
Executive VP & CFO

๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, Eli. 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋ถ€๋™์‚ฐ FFO๋Š” ์ฃผ๋‹น 3.49๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋กœ ์ „๋…„๋„ 3.35๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋Œ€๋น„ 4.2% ์„ฑ์žฅํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ตญ๋‚ด์™ธ ์‚ฌ์—… ๋ชจ๋‘ ์–‘ํ˜ธํ•œ ์‹ค์ ์„ ๋ณด์˜€์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์‚ฌ์—… ์ „๋ฐ˜์˜ ์ž„๋Œ€ ์ˆ˜์ต ์ฆ๊ฐ€์— ํž˜์ž…์–ด 0.26๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ๊ธฐ๋กํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
As anticipated, lower interest income and higher interest expense combined were a $0.07 drag in the quarter. Domestic property NOI growth was strong and increased 4.8% year-over-year for the quarter and 4.4% for the year. Portfolio NOI, which includes our international properties at constant currency grew 5.1% for the quarter and 4.7% for the year. Malls and Premium Outlets ended the year at 96.4%. Occupancy in the Mills ended at 99.2%. The addition of the TRG assets reduced occupancy by 20 basis points from malls and Premium Outlets and 30 basis points for the Mills. We expect to drive higher occupancy at these assets as we execute on our leasing strategy.์˜ˆ์ƒ๋Œ€๋กœ ์ด์ž์ˆ˜์ต ๊ฐ์†Œ์™€ ์ด์ž๋น„์šฉ ์ฆ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ํ•ฉ์ณ์ ธ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์ค‘ 0.07๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ๋ถ€๋‹ด ์š”์ธ์œผ๋กœ ์ž‘์šฉํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ตญ๋‚ด ๋ถ€๋™์‚ฐ NOI ์„ฑ์žฅ๋ฅ ์€ ๊ฒฌ์กฐํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๊ธฐ์ค€ ์ „๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ 4.8%, ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ๊ธฐ์ค€ 4.4% ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•ด์™ธ ๋ถ€๋™์‚ฐ์„ ํฌํ•จํ•œ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค NOI๋Š” ๊ณ ์ •ํ™˜์œจ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์ค‘ 5.1%, ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ 4.7% ์„ฑ์žฅํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ชฐ๊ณผ ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์—„ ์•„์šธ๋ ›์˜ ์—ฐ๋ง ๊ฐ€๋™๋ฅ ์€ 96.4%๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ€์Šค์˜ ๊ฐ€๋™๋ฅ ์€ 99.2%๋กœ ๋งˆ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. TRG ์ž์‚ฐ ํŽธ์ž…์œผ๋กœ ๋ชฐ๊ณผ ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์—„ ์•„์šธ๋ ›์˜ ๊ฐ€๋™๋ฅ ์€ 20bp, ๋ฐ€์Šค๋Š” 30bp ํ•˜๋ฝํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‚ฌ๋Š” ์ž„๋Œ€ ์ „๋žต์„ ์‹คํ–‰ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์ด๋“ค ์ž์‚ฐ์˜ ๊ฐ€๋™๋ฅ ์„ ๋†’์ผ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Average base minimum rents increased 4.7% year-over-year for the Malls and the Premium Outlets. The TRG properties contributed approximately 250 basis points to this growth. Retailer sales per square foot for the Malls and the Premium Outlets were $799 per square foot for the year. The SPG only portfolio was up 2% year-over-year. Importantly, total sales volumes grew approximately 4% in the important fourth quarter and 3% for the full year. Occupancy cost at the end of the year was 12.7%. Turning to the balance sheet. During 2025, we completed approximately $9 billion in financing activities, including a dual tranche U.S.ํ‰๊ท  ๊ธฐ๋ณธ ์ตœ์ € ์ž„๋Œ€๋ฃŒ๋Š” ๋ชฐ๊ณผ ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์—„ ์•„์šธ๋ ›์—์„œ ์ „๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ 4.7% ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. TRG ์ž์‚ฐ๋“ค์ด ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์„ฑ์žฅ์— ์•ฝ 250bp(๋ฒ ์ด์‹œ์Šคํฌ์ธํŠธ) ๊ธฐ์—ฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ชฐ๊ณผ ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์—„ ์•„์šธ๋ ›์˜ ์†Œ๋งค์—…์ฒด ํ‰๋ฐฉํ”ผํŠธ๋‹น ๋งค์ถœ์€ ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ 799๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋กํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. SPG ๋‹จ๋… ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋Š” ์ „๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ 2% ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŠนํžˆ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ ์€, ์ด ๋งค์ถœ์•ก์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— ์•ฝ 4%, ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ๋Š” 3% ์„ฑ์žฅํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฐ๋ง ๊ธฐ์ค€ ์ ์œ  ๋น„์šฉ์€ 12.7%์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋Œ€์ฐจ๋Œ€์กฐํ‘œ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 2025๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์ด์ค‘ ํŠธ๋žœ์น˜๋ฅผ ํฌํ•จํ•˜์—ฌ ์•ฝ 90์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์˜ ์ž๊ธˆ์กฐ๋‹ฌ ํ™œ๋™์„ ์™„๋ฃŒํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
senior notes offering that totaled $1.5 billion at a combined average term of 7.8 years and a weighted average coupon rate of 4.77% and completed -- also completed $7 billion of secured loan refinancing and extension in the year. Subsequent to year-end, we concluded the $800 million offering of 5-year notes with spread of 65 basis points to the 5-year treasury. We used the proceeds to repay $800 million of notes that matured on January 15, 2026. Our A-rated balance sheet provides a distinct advantage with more than $9 billion of liquidity at year-end and a net debt-to-EBITDA measure of 5.0x.์ด 15์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์˜ ์„ ์ˆœ์œ„ ์ฑ„๊ถŒ ๋ฐœํ–‰์„ 7.8๋…„์˜ ํ‰๊ท  ๋งŒ๊ธฐ์™€ 4.77%์˜ ๊ฐ€์ค‘ํ‰๊ท  ์ฟ ํฐ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ๋กœ ์™„๋ฃŒํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์—ฐ์ค‘ 70์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์˜ ๋‹ด๋ณด๋ถ€ ๋Œ€์ถœ ์ฐจํ™˜ ๋ฐ ๋งŒ๊ธฐ ์—ฐ์žฅ๋„ ์™„๋ฃŒํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฐ๋ง ์ดํ›„์—๋Š” 5๋…„ ๋งŒ๊ธฐ ๊ตญ์ฑ„ ๋Œ€๋น„ 65bp ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋กœ 8์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์˜ 5๋…„ ๋งŒ๊ธฐ ์ฑ„๊ถŒ ๋ฐœํ–‰์„ ๋งˆ๋ฌด๋ฆฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ์กฐ๋‹ฌ ์ž๊ธˆ์€ 2026๋…„ 1์›” 15์ผ ๋งŒ๊ธฐ ๋„๋ž˜ํ•˜๋Š” 8์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ฑ„๊ถŒ ์ƒํ™˜์— ์‚ฌ์šฉํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. A๋“ฑ๊ธ‰ ๋Œ€์ฐจ๋Œ€์กฐํ‘œ๋Š” ์—ฐ๋ง ๊ธฐ์ค€ 90์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ด์ƒ์˜ ์œ ๋™์„ฑ๊ณผ 5.0๋ฐฐ์˜ ์ˆœ๋ถ€์ฑ„/EBITDA ๋น„์œจ๋กœ ๋šœ๋ ทํ•œ ์šฐ์œ„๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
During 2025, we paid more than $3.2 billion in common stock dividends and repurchased over 1.2 million shares for approximately $227 million. Subsequent to year-end, we repurchased an additional 273,000 shares for $50 million. And today, we announced our dividend of $2.20 per share for the first quarter, a year-over-year increase of $0.10 or 4.8%. The dividend is payable on March 31. Turning to our '26 guidance. We expect real estate FFO of $13 to $13.25 per share with a midpoint of $13.13. The guidance range assumes domestic property NOI growth of at least 3% with higher net interest expense of $0.25 to $0.30 per share versus 2025, reflecting current market interest rate conditions.2025๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ๋‹น์‚ฌ๋Š” ๋ณดํ†ต์ฃผ ๋ฐฐ๋‹น๊ธˆ์œผ๋กœ 32์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ด์ƒ์„ ์ง€๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์•ฝ 2์–ต 2,700๋งŒ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์— 120๋งŒ ์ฃผ ์ด์ƒ์„ ์ž์‚ฌ์ฃผ ๋งค์ž…ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฐ๋ง ์ดํ›„์—๋Š” ์ถ”๊ฐ€๋กœ 27๋งŒ 3,000์ฃผ๋ฅผ 5,000๋งŒ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์— ๋งค์ž…ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์˜ค๋Š˜ 1๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์ฃผ๋‹น 2.20๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ๋ฐฐ๋‹น์„ ๋ฐœํ‘œํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋Š” ์ „๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ 0.10๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋˜๋Š” 4.8% ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•œ ๊ธˆ์•ก์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐฐ๋‹น๊ธˆ์€ 3์›” 31์ผ์— ์ง€๊ธ‰๋  ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

'26๋…„ ๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‚ฌ๋Š” ๋ถ€๋™์‚ฐ FFO๋ฅผ ์ฃผ๋‹น 13๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์—์„œ 13.25๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ์ค‘๊ฐ„๊ฐ’์€ 13.13๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค ๋ฒ”์œ„๋Š” ๊ตญ๋‚ด ๋ถ€๋™์‚ฐ NOI ์„ฑ์žฅ๋ฅ ์„ ์ตœ์†Œ 3%๋กœ ๊ฐ€์ •ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ํ˜„์žฌ ์‹œ์žฅ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ์ƒํ™ฉ์„ ๋ฐ˜์˜ํ•˜์—ฌ 2025๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ ์ฃผ๋‹น 0.25๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์—์„œ 0.30๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ์ˆœ์ด์ž๋น„์šฉ ์ฆ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ฐ˜์˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Thank you. We will now open it up for questions.๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ์งˆ์˜์‘๋‹ต ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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# Simon Property Group Q4 2025 ์‹ค์  ์š”์•ฝ

## ํ•ต์‹ฌ ์žฌ๋ฌด ์„ฑ๊ณผ
- **2025๋…„ ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ Real Estate FFO**: ์ฃผ๋‹น $12.73 (์‚ฌ์ƒ ์ตœ๊ณ ์น˜), Q4 FFO๋Š” ์ฃผ๋‹น $3.49๋กœ ์ „๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ 4.2% ์ฆ๊ฐ€
- **2026๋…„ ๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค**: ์ฃผ๋‹น $13.00~$13.25 (์ค‘๊ฐ„๊ฐ’ $13.13), ๊ตญ๋‚ด ๋ถ€๋™์‚ฐ NOI ์„ฑ์žฅ๋ฅ  ์ตœ์†Œ 3% ์ „๋ง
- **ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค NOI ์„ฑ์žฅ**: Q4 5.1%, ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ 4.7% (์ƒ์ˆ˜ ํ†ตํ™” ๊ธฐ์ค€), ๊ตญ๋‚ด ๋ถ€๋™์‚ฐ NOI๋Š” Q4 4.8%, ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ 4.4% ์„ฑ์žฅ
- **๋ฐฐ๋‹น ๋ฐ ์ฃผ์ฃผํ™˜์›**: 2025๋…„ ์•ฝ 35์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ํ˜„๊ธˆ ํ™˜์› (๋ฐฐ๋‹น 32์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ, ์ž์‚ฌ์ฃผ ๋งค์ž… 2.27์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ), Q1 2026 ๋ฐฐ๋‹น ์ฃผ๋‹น $2.20๋กœ 4.8% ์ฆ๊ฐ€

## ์šด์˜ ์‹ค์  ๋ฐ ์ž„๋Œ€ ํ˜„ํ™ฉ
- **์ ์œ ์œจ**: ๋ชฐ/ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์—„ ์•„์šธ๋ › 96.4%, ๋ฐ€์Šค 99.2% (TRG ์ž์‚ฐ ํŽธ์ž…์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ๊ฐ 20bp, 30bp ํ•˜๋ฝํ•˜์˜€์œผ๋‚˜ ๊ฐœ์„  ์—ฌ์ง€ ์กด์žฌ)
- **์ž„๋Œ€๋ฃŒ ์„ฑ์žฅ**: ํ‰๊ท  ๊ธฐ๋ณธ ์ž„๋Œ€๋ฃŒ ์ „๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ 4.7% ์ƒ์Šน (TRG ๊ธฐ์—ฌ๋ถ„ ์•ฝ 250bp)
- **์†Œ๋งค ํŒ๋งค**: ์ œ๊ณฑํ”ผํŠธ๋‹น $799, SPG ๋‹จ๋… ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋Š” 2% ์ฆ๊ฐ€, Q4 ์ด ํŒ๋งค๋Ÿ‰ 4%, ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ 3% ์„ฑ์žฅ


โ“ Q&A

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Operator: [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Caitlin Burrows with Goldman Sachs.**Operator:** [๊ตํ™˜์› ์•ˆ๋‚ด] ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ๊ณจ๋“œ๋งŒ์‚ญ์Šค์˜ ์ผ€์ดํ‹€๋ฆฐ ๋ฒ„๋กœ์šฐ์ฆˆ๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Caitlin Burrows: Goldman Sachs Group, Inc., Research Division Maybe on the leasing side, you mentioned that 30% of lease signings last year were on new leases. So could you give some detail on what rents you're getting on new leases and renewal leases and how your pipeline today and depth of demand compares to a year ago, I guess, while keeping in mind the TRG deal and now the portfolio is larger.**Caitlin Burrows:** ์ž„๋Œ€ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด์„œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ์ž‘๋…„ ์ž„๋Œ€ ๊ณ„์•ฝ์˜ 30%๊ฐ€ ์‹ ๊ทœ ์ž„๋Œ€์˜€๋‹ค๊ณ  ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. ์‹ ๊ทœ ์ž„๋Œ€์™€ ๊ฐฑ์‹  ์ž„๋Œ€์—์„œ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹  ์ž„๋Œ€๋ฃŒ ์ˆ˜์ค€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ข€ ๋” ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  TRG ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋กœ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค๊ฐ€ ํ™•๋Œ€๋œ ์ ์„ ๊ฐ์•ˆํ•  ๋•Œ, ํ˜„์žฌ ํŒŒ์ดํ”„๋ผ์ธ๊ณผ ์ˆ˜์š” ๊นŠ์ด๊ฐ€ 1๋…„ ์ „๊ณผ ๋น„๊ตํ•ด์„œ ์–ด๋–ค์ง€๋„ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Brian McDade: Executive VP & CFO Caitlin, it's Brian. Look, I think what we would say to that is certainly 30% is a good run rate for the leasing. We disclosed the new rents on our leases, which are approximately $65 per square foot. We would expect that to continue into 2026.**Brian McDade:** ์ผ€์ดํ‹€๋ฆฐ, ๋ธŒ๋ผ์ด์–ธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฆฌ์‹ฑ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ํ™•์‹คํžˆ 30%๊ฐ€ ์ ์ ˆํ•œ ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ณต๊ฐœํ•œ ์‹ ๊ทœ ์ž„๋Œ€๋ฃŒ๋Š” ํ‰๋ฐฉํ”ผํŠธ๋‹น ์•ฝ 65๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์ธ๋ฐ์š”, ์ด ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด 2026๋…„๊นŒ์ง€ ์ง€์†๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Eli Simon: COO, Executive VP, Chief Investment Officer & Director And then just from the pipeline perspective, year-to-date, our pipeline is up about 15% over last year. And that's really broad-based across all categories. So no change in tenant demand, if anything, it's increasing.**Eli Simon:** ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํŒŒ์ดํ”„๋ผ์ธ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์—ฐ์ดˆ ๋Œ€๋น„ ํ˜„์žฌ ํŒŒ์ดํ”„๋ผ์ธ์ด ์ž‘๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ ์•ฝ 15% ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์นดํ…Œ๊ณ ๋ฆฌ์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ๊ด‘๋ฒ”์œ„ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ํ˜„์ƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ž„์ฐจ์ธ ์ˆ˜์š”์—๋Š” ๋ณ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ์—†์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์˜คํžˆ๋ ค ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: Our next question comes from Samir Khanal with Bank of America.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ๋ฑ…ํฌ์˜ค๋ธŒ์•„๋ฉ”๋ฆฌ์นด์˜ ์‚ฌ๋ฏธ๋ฅด ์นด๋‚  ๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ์ฃผ์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Samir Khanal: BofA Securities, Research Division I guess, David or Eli, going back to November, you launched the Simon+ loyalty program. Just -- is there any early observations you can share about the program? I mean, as it relates to maybe impact on traffic or retailer sales. Maybe Eli, anything would be helpful from that end.**Samir Khanal:**

11์›”์— Simon+ ๋กœ์—ดํ‹ฐ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์„ ์ถœ์‹œํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”, ์ดˆ๊ธฐ ์„ฑ๊ณผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŠธ๋ž˜ํ”ฝ์ด๋‚˜ ๋งค์žฅ ๋งค์ถœ์— ๋ฏธ์น˜๋Š” ์˜ํ–ฅ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ, ํ˜„์žฌ๊นŒ์ง€ ํ™•์ธ๋œ ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ ์ถœ์‹œ ์ดํ›„ ์ดˆ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ˜์‘์€ ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ๊ณ ๋ฌด์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํšŒ์› ๊ฐ€์ž…๋ฅ ์ด ์˜ˆ์ƒ์„ ์ƒํšŒํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ , ํŠนํžˆ ์ฐธ์—ฌ ํšŒ์›๋“ค์˜ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธ ๋นˆ๋„๊ฐ€ ๋ˆˆ์— ๋„๊ฒŒ ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ชจ์Šต์„ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋งค์žฅ ๋งค์ถœ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ๋„ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ์‹ ํ˜ธ๋“ค์ด ํฌ์ฐฉ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Simon+ ํšŒ์›๋“ค์˜ ํ‰๊ท  ๊ตฌ๋งค์•ก์ด ๋น„ํšŒ์› ๋Œ€๋น„ ๋†’๊ฒŒ ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ๋ฆฌํ…Œ์ผ๋Ÿฌ๋“ค๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ๋„ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ํ”ผ๋“œ๋ฐฑ์„ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์•„์ง ์ถœ์‹œ ์ดˆ๊ธฐ ๋‹จ๊ณ„์ด๊ธด ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์ฐธ์—ฌ๋„์™€ ๋ฐ์ดํ„ฐ ์ˆ˜์ง‘ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์œผ๋กœ ์ง„ํ–‰๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ–ฅํ›„ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ๋” ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ์„ฑ๊ณผ ์ง€ํ‘œ๋“ค์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

Eli Simon: COO, Executive VP, Chief Investment Officer & Director Yes, sure. So it's obviously early days, but we've been very pleased with the adoption from both a customer perspective but also getting brand excited about it. And so we're still in the membership acquisition phase, increasing engagement. We had a great holiday activation. They got a lot of organic buzz, which was exciting and I think helped to increase traffic a bit. And so as we go into '26, it's more of the same, continue to focus on getting new rewards, new retailers and also partnering with other loyalty programs that are outside of our space as well, working on launching that in the beginning part of this year. So again, early days, but we are very pleased with where we are so far.**Eli Simon:** ๋„ค, ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์ง ์ดˆ๊ธฐ ๋‹จ๊ณ„์ด๊ธด ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์ธก๋ฉด๊ณผ ๋ธŒ๋žœ๋“œ๋“ค์˜ ๊ด€์‹ฌ ์ธก๋ฉด ๋ชจ๋‘์—์„œ ๋งค์šฐ ๋งŒ์กฑ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ๋ฐ˜์‘์„ ์–ป๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ๋Š” ํšŒ์› ํ™•๋ณด ๋‹จ๊ณ„์— ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ์ฐธ์—ฌ๋„๋ฅผ ๋†’์ด๋Š” ๋ฐ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ™€๋ฆฌ๋ฐ์ด ์‹œ์ฆŒ์— ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ํ”„๋กœ๋ชจ์…˜์„ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ ๋งŽ์€ ํ™”์ œ๋ฅผ ๋ชจ์•˜๊ณ  ํŠธ๋ž˜ํ”ฝ ์ฆ๊ฐ€์—๋„ ๋„์›€์ด ๋œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„ ๊ณ ๋ฌด์ ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

26๋…„์œผ๋กœ ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€๋ฉด์„œ๋„ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์œผ๋กœ ๊ณ„์† ๋‚˜์•„๊ฐˆ ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๋ฆฌ์›Œ๋“œ์™€ ์‹ ๊ทœ ๋ฆฌํ…Œ์ผ๋Ÿฌ ํ™•๋ณด์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๋™์‹œ์—, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์˜์—ญ ๋ฐ–์˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋กœ์—ดํ‹ฐ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ๋“ค๊ณผ๋„ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ์‹ญ์„ ๋งบ๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์˜ฌํ•ด ์ดˆ๋ฐ˜์— ์ด๋ฅผ ๋Ÿฐ์นญํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ž‘์—… ์ค‘์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ง€๋งŒ ์•„์ง ์ดˆ๊ธฐ ๋‹จ๊ณ„์ด๊ธด ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€์˜ ์ง„ํ–‰ ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๋งŒ์กฑํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Michael Griffin with Evercore ISI.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ์—๋ฒ„์ฝ”์–ด ISI์˜ ๋งˆ์ดํด ๊ทธ๋ฆฌํ•€์œผ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Michael Griffin: Evercore ISI Institutional Equities, Research Division Appreciate all the color so far. Just wondering if you can give some insights maybe into your thoughts around tenant credit or bad debt as it looks at the year ahead. I know there's been some news recently around retailer bankruptcies, but just maybe give us a sense where your head is at from expectations from a tenant credit perspective? Is it better or worse, the same than last year? Anything about that would be helpful.**Michael Griffin:** ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋งŽ์€ ์ •๋ณด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚ด๋…„์„ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๋ฉด์„œ ์ž„์ฐจ์ธ ์‹ ์šฉ๋„๋‚˜ ๋Œ€์†(bad debt)์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฒฌํ•ด๋ฅผ ์ข€ ๋” ๋“ค๋ ค์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”? ์ตœ๊ทผ ์†Œ๋งค์—…์ฒด ํŒŒ์‚ฐ ๊ด€๋ จ ๋‰ด์Šค๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ž„์ฐจ์ธ ์‹ ์šฉ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜์‹œ๋Š” ๋ฐ”๋ฅผ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๋ฉด ์ข‹๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž‘๋…„๊ณผ ๋น„๊ตํ•ด์„œ ๋” ๋‚˜์•„์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์‹œ๋Š”์ง€, ์•…ํ™”๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์‹œ๋Š”์ง€, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ์ˆ˜์ค€์ผ์ง€์š”? ์ด์™€ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๋ฉด ๋„์›€์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
David Simon: Chairman, CEO & President Sure. Yes. Look, I think the tariffs are clearly having an effect on retailers. So it is definitely putting more pressure on them. And it's not the big guys. I think I mentioned to you this on our last call. I mean it's really -- if you put Costco and Walmart and of course, Amazon aside, and then you have the rest of us, okay? And the rest of us are feeling the pinch. And so it's something that when we had our call last year, obviously, we weren't dealing with. Retailers dealt with it successfully this year, but kind of -- the full impact will really be '26 because it was implemented, who knows, in April, I guess. We're still waiting for the Supreme Court to rule which could be a small victory for our clients, but no one really knows. I don't know what -- Polymarket -- what the odds are. Actually, let's be an interesting time, while we're here, you can find out what Polymarket says about Supreme Court. So they have to deal with it. And it's -- we see it from a catalyst point of view. And I mean, it's going to take a couple of hundred million dollars of EBITDA away from Catalyst to pay the government. I mean if you cut through it all because I think Catalyst rightfully so is very focused on doing the best, they cannot pass it on the consumer. So it is a real issue and the retailers that we speak to are managing it the best they can. But it is a headwind, and long story short. It's probably put more pressure on retailers than should be, and it's going to end up hurting the small guys. So we're a little more cautious. We gave you our range that was, frankly, we didn't have some bankruptcies in there that surfaced at the beginning of '26 that we felt comfortable enough to keep the range. We do our budgets. We finished basically mid-December. So that budget was essentially fixed. We didn't back off it because what Eli mentioned to you, all the retail demand. But they'll probably be a little bit more. And I would say most of it, if I had to cut to the chase, is tariff pressure, which is unfortunate. I hope that answers your question.**David Simon:** ๋„ค, ๊ด€์„ธ๊ฐ€ ์†Œ๋งค์—…์ฒด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋” ํฐ ์••๋ฐ•์„ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๋Œ€ํ˜• ์—…์ฒด๋“ค ์–˜๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€๋‚œ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ์—์„œ๋„ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ ธ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ์š”. ์ฝ”์ŠคํŠธ์ฝ”, ์›”๋งˆํŠธ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์—ฐํžˆ ์•„๋งˆ์กด์„ ์ œ์™ธํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋ฉด, ๋‚˜๋จธ์ง€ ์—…์ฒด๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์ž–์•„์š”? ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ด ๋‚˜๋จธ์ง€ ์—…์ฒด๋“ค์ด ์••๋ฐ•์„ ๋А๋ผ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์ž‘๋…„ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ์ฝœ ๋•Œ๋งŒ ํ•ด๋„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ƒํ™ฉ์„ ๋‹ค๋ฃจ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋˜ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด์ฃ . ์†Œ๋งค์—…์ฒด๋“ค์ด ์˜ฌํ•ด๋Š” ์„ฑ๊ณต์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ€์‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ, ๋ณธ๊ฒฉ์ ์ธ ์˜ํ–ฅ์€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ 2026๋…„์— ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚  ๏ฟฝ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 4์›”์ฏค ์‹œํ–‰๋์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”, ์•„๋งˆ๋„. ๋Œ€๋ฒ•์› ํŒ๊ฒฐ์„ ์•„์ง ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ด๊ฒŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ž‘์€ ์Šน๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์•„๋ฌด๋„ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํด๋ฆฌ๋งˆ์ผ“(Polymarket)์ด ๋ญ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ๋„ค์š”. ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ง€๊ธˆ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊น€์— ๋Œ€๋ฒ•์› ํŒ๊ฒฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ํด๋ฆฌ๋งˆ์ผ“์ด ๋ญ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•ด๋ณด๋ฉด ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด์จŒ๋“  ๋Œ€๋ฒ•์›์ด ์ด ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ๋‹ค๋ค„์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ์ด‰๋งค์ œ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ๋”ฐ์ง€๊ณ  ๋ณด๋ฉด Catalyst๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ถ€์— ์ง€๋ถˆํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋น„์šฉ์œผ๋กœ EBITDA์—์„œ ์ˆ˜์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๊ฐ€ ๋น ์ ธ๋‚˜๊ฐˆ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Catalyst๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์—ฐํžˆ ์ตœ์„ ์„ ๋‹คํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ด ๋น„์šฉ์„ ์†Œ๋น„์ž์—๊ฒŒ ์ „๊ฐ€ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด๊ฑด ์‹ค์งˆ์ ์ธ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆˆ ์†Œ๋งค์—…์ฒด๋“ค๋„ ์ตœ์„ ์„ ๋‹คํ•ด ์ด ์ƒํ™ฉ์„ ๊ด€๋ฆฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๊ฑด ๋ถ„๋ช… ์—ญํ’์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์š”์•ฝํ•˜์ž๋ฉด, ์ด ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์†Œ๋งค์—…์ฒด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ํ•„์š” ์ด์ƒ์˜ ์••๋ฐ•์„ ๊ฐ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ , ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์†Œ๊ทœ๋ชจ ์—…์ฒด๋“ค์ด ํƒ€๊ฒฉ์„ ๋ฐ›๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ข€ ๋” ์‹ ์ค‘ํ•œ ์ž…์žฅ์„ ์ทจํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ์ œ์‹œํ•œ ๋ฒ”์œ„๋Š” ์†”์งํžˆ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, 26๋…„ ์ดˆ์— ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•œ ์ผ๋ถ€ ํŒŒ์‚ฐ ๊ฑด๋“ค์ด ํฌํ•จ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ์—๋„ ๋ถˆ๊ตฌํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ ๋ฒ”์œ„๋ฅผ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ ์ ˆํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ํŒ๋‹จํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ์‚ฐ ์ˆ˜๋ฆฝ์€ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ 12์›” ์ค‘์ˆœ์— ์™„๋ฃŒํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ ์˜ˆ์‚ฐ์€ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ƒ ํ™•์ •๋œ ์ƒํƒœ์˜€์ฃ . Eli๊ฐ€ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฐ ์†Œ๋งค ์ˆ˜์š” ๋“ฑ์„ ๊ณ ๋ คํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์˜ˆ์‚ฐ์„ ํ•˜ํ–ฅ ์กฐ์ •ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•ต์‹ฌ๋งŒ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ๊ด€์„ธ ์••๋ฐ• ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ˆํƒ€๊นŒ์šด ์ผ์ด์ฃ . ๋‹ต๋ณ€์ด ๋˜์…จ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Michael Goldsmith with UBS.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ UBS์˜ Michael Goldsmith๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Michael Goldsmith: UBS Investment Bank, Research Division We heard a lot about investment and redevelopment from Eli. So maybe can you frame how much incremental NOI or FFO we should expect this year from projects stabilizing either late in 2025 or in 2026?**Michael Goldsmith:** UBS ์ธ๋ฒ ์ŠคํŠธ๋จผํŠธ ๋ฑ…ํฌ ๋ฆฌ์„œ์น˜ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Eli๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ํˆฌ์ž์™€ ์žฌ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งŽ์€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด 2025๋…„ ๋ง์ด๋‚˜ 2026๋…„์— ์•ˆ์ •ํ™”๋  ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋“ค๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์˜ฌํ•ด ์˜ˆ์ƒ๋˜๋Š” ์ˆœ์˜์—…์ด์ต(NOI)์ด๋‚˜ ์šด์˜์ž๊ธˆํ๋ฆ„(FFO)์˜ ์ฆ๋ถ„ ๊ทœ๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋А ์ •๋„์ธ์ง€ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
Brian McDade: Executive VP & CFO Michael, it's Brian. I think you should expect about a $30 million contribution in '26 from projects that are going to be completed.**Brian McDade:** 2026๋…„์— ์™„๊ณต๋  ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋“ค๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์•ฝ 3์ฒœ๋งŒ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ๊ธฐ์—ฌ๋ฅผ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Alexander Goldfarb with Piper Sandler.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ Piper Sandler์˜ Alexander Goldfarb๋‹˜์œผ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
David Simon: Chairman, CEO & President Polymarket -- hold on, Polymarket says 25% to 32% in favor of policy survival.**David Simon:** ํšŒ์žฅ๋‹˜, CEO ๊ฒธ ์‚ฌ์žฅ๋‹˜, ์ž ๊น๋งŒ์š”. ํด๋ฆฌ๋งˆ์ผ“(Polymarket)์—์„œ๋Š” ์ •์ฑ… ์œ ์ง€ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์„ 25%์—์„œ 32% ์‚ฌ์ด๋กœ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Alexander Goldfarb: Piper Sandler & Co., Research Division If it does, it's going to be an interesting opinion. David, just going to your point on the question on the guidance set in December, even though that was ahead of Saks and Eddie Bauer, but you still feel pretty good. As you look at the business, you guys have -- there's Simon Brand Ventures, there's parking revenue. I mean there's all these other ancillary revenue sources. So is your view that as presumably the economy grows, all these other revenue levers that you guys have will kick in and be more than sufficient to offset whatever potential tariff disruption that you outlined? Or just how are you thinking about that? Because on one hand, the tariff thing sounds like there's going to be more ripple effects this year as the full year is felt. But the same token, presumably the economy accelerates, you guys have more revenue levers that should come into play and help drive earnings up.**Alexander Goldfarb:** 12์›”์— ๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค๋ฅผ ์ œ์‹œํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ Saks์™€ Eddie Bauer ๊ฑด๋ณด๋‹ค ์•ž์„œ ์žˆ์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ๊ธ์ •์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹ ๋‹ค๋Š” David๋‹˜ ๋ง์”€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด Simon Brand Ventures๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ , ์ฃผ์ฐจ ์ˆ˜์ต๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ , ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ถ€์ˆ˜์ ์ธ ์ˆ˜์ต์›๋“ค์ด ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ฒฝ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์„ฑ์žฅํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๊ฐ€์ •ํ•  ๋•Œ, ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ˆ˜์ต ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„๋“ค์ด ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ์ž ์žฌ์ ์ธ ๊ด€์„ธ ํ˜ผ๋ž€์„ ์ƒ์‡„ํ•˜๊ณ ๋„ ๋‚จ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ณด์‹œ๋Š” ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”? ์ด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹ ์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ํ•œํŽธ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ๊ด€์„ธ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์˜ฌํ•ด ์—ฐ์ค‘ ๋‚ด๋‚ด ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น˜๋ฉด์„œ ํŒŒ๊ธ‰ํšจ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ๋” ํด ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋“ค๋ฆฌ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”. ๋™์‹œ์—, ๊ฒฝ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์†ํ™”๋˜๋ฉด ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค์ด ํ™œ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ˆ˜์ต ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„(revenue lever)๋“ค์ด ๋” ๋งŽ์•„์ง€๊ณ , ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์‹ค์  ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ๊ฒฌ์ธํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
David Simon: Chairman, CEO & President Yes. Listen, I agree 1,000% of your thesis. We are seeing -- the most important thing is traffic is up, sales were up. The retailers that don't make it, even though I could sit here and blame tariffs, they're not highly productive retailers. And given that it's our view that we can replace it with more productive retailers at higher rents. I'll take what's going on in Saks as a simple example. We have a number of Off Fifth stores, and it will be like the Forever 21, even though we don't have all of Forever 21 leased, we are already way ahead of the income for that, and we have upside of another 20, 30 boxes to lease. So Saks Off Fifth total was paying us around $18 million. We think half the portfolio will pay us third -- and Eli said himself that I remember the numbers, right? So -- and then we'll -- and those are deals that we feel highly confident on. And then we have the other boxes that will generate. So we're not replacing -- we're replacing Off Fifth in the sense the productivity and the rents are just so cheap that there's a tremendous amount of upside. And it takes time, right? But -- and most of that will all be back end weighted because your [ GLV ] sales, and that will be done, who knows, in the spring sometime, we get the space back. Maybe there's a few that we can get in the fourth quarter, but most of it will show up in '27. So the media sales, tenant demand, traffic is all moving in the right direction. And I, like you, I mean, we're bullish on the economy. It's just that the tariffs are -- there is never going to be all systems go. We still see it a little bit on the sales. We had a good bounce back on the border, the north border, Canadians are really pissed off. So they're not going anywhere in the U.S. So we're seeing kind of the north border, a little weaker than the South border. We also, interestingly, and that saw a little bit of sales disruption in certain markets where there's a lot of [ ICE ] activity, which was interesting. But again, tariffs are a headwind, but there's a lot of positive aspects of what's going on. And most importantly, we're making the properties better, the Simon+ will see some benefits in '26. And as an example, Alex, we just opened Chanel in Boca Town Center, off to a really good start. And that's -- to make that kind of -- with that kind of retailer who's the best of the very best is -- just creates so much momentum elsewhere. So in that sense, we're very bullish.**David Simon:** ๋„ค, ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ๋…ผ์ง€์— 1,000% ๋™์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ - ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์œ ๋™์ธ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ , ๋งค์ถœ๋„ ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ด์•„๋‚จ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ์†Œ๋งค์—…์ฒด๋“ค์€, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์•‰์•„์„œ ๊ด€์„ธ ํƒ“์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ, ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ƒ์‚ฐ์„ฑ์ด ๋†’์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์†Œ๋งค์—…์ฒด๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด๋“ค์„ ๋” ์ƒ์‚ฐ์„ฑ ๋†’์€ ์†Œ๋งค์—…์ฒด๋กœ ๋Œ€์ฒดํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ๋” ๋†’์€ ์ž„๋Œ€๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

Saks๋ฅผ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ์˜ˆ๋กœ ๋“ค์–ด๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐœ์˜ Off Fifth ๋งค์žฅ์„ ๋ณด์œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, Forever 21์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์™€ ๋น„์Šทํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Forever 21 ๋งค์žฅ์„ ์ „๋ถ€ ์ž„๋Œ€ํ•˜์ง€๋Š” ๋ชปํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด๋ฏธ ๊ทธ ์ˆ˜์ต์„ ํ›จ์”ฌ ์•ž์„œ๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ , ์ถ”๊ฐ€๋กœ 20~30๊ฐœ ๋งค์žฅ์„ ์ž„๋Œ€ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ƒ์Šน ์—ฌ๋ ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Saks Off Fifth๋Š” ์ „์ฒด์ ์œผ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์•ฝ 1,800๋งŒ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์˜ ์ ˆ๋ฐ˜์€ 3๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋‚ผ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ ์š” -- Eli๊ฐ€ ์ง์ ‘ ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ˆซ์ž๋ฅผ ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋“ค์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งค์šฐ ํ™•์‹ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑด๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋จธ์ง€ ๋ถ€๋ถ„๋“ค๋„ ์ˆ˜์ต์„ ์ฐฝ์ถœํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ ์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” Off Fifth๋ฅผ ๋‹จ์ˆœํžˆ ๋Œ€์ฒดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ -- ์ƒ์‚ฐ์„ฑ๊ณผ ์ž„๋Œ€๋ฃŒ๊ฐ€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋‚ฎ์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ์ƒ์Šน ์—ฌ๋ ฅ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ๋Œ€์ฒดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๊ฑธ๋ฆฌ์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ํ›„๋ฐ˜๋ถ€์— ์ง‘์ค‘๋  ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. GLV ๋งค๊ฐ์ด ์žˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์™„๋ฃŒ๋˜๋ฉด ์•„๋งˆ ๋ด„์ฏค์— ๊ณต๊ฐ„์„ ๋Œ๋ ค๋ฐ›๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— ๋ช‡ ๊ฑด ์ •๋„๋Š” ํ™•๋ณดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ, ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ 2027๋…„์— ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งค์ฒด ํŒ๋งค, ์ž„์ฐจ ์ˆ˜์š”, ์œ ๋™์ธ๊ตฌ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์œผ๋กœ ์›€์ง์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋„ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๊ณผ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€๋กœ ๊ฒฝ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋‚™๊ด€์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค๋งŒ ๊ด€์„ธ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์ฃ . ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ์™„๋ฒฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ˆœ์กฐ๋กœ์šธ ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งค์ถœ์—์„œ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ถ์ชฝ ๊ตญ๊ฒฝ์—์„œ๋Š” ๋ฐ˜๋“ฑ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์บ๋‚˜๋‹ค์ธ๋“ค์ด ์ •๋ง ํ™”๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜์„œ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์— ์ „ํ˜€ ์˜ค์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ถ์ชฝ ๊ตญ๊ฒฝ ์ง€์—ญ์ด ๋‚จ์ชฝ ๊ตญ๊ฒฝ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋‹ค์†Œ ์•ฝํ•œ ๋ชจ์Šต์„ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๊ฒŒ๋„ ์ด๋ฏผ๋‹จ์†๊ตญ(ICE) ํ™œ๋™์ด ๋งŽ์€ ํŠน์ • ์‹œ์žฅ์—์„œ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ๋งค์ถœ ์ฐจ์งˆ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ๊ด€์„ธ๋Š” ์—ญํ’์ด์ง€๋งŒ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ์ธก๋ฉด๋„ ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ถ€๋™์‚ฐ ์ž์‚ฐ๋“ค์„ ๋” ์ข‹๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ด๊ณ , ์‚ฌ์ด๋จผ+(Simon+)๋Š” 26๋…„์— ์ผ๋ถ€ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ๋ณด์นด ํƒ€์šด ์„ผํ„ฐ์— ์ƒค๋„ฌ์„ ์˜คํ”ˆํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์ถœ๋ฐœ์„ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ตœ๊ณ  ์ค‘์˜ ์ตœ๊ณ ๋ผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋ฆฌํ…Œ์ผ๋Ÿฌ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ณณ์—์„œ๋„ ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ๋ชจ๋ฉ˜ํ…€์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด๋ƒ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์˜๋ฏธ์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๋‚™๊ด€์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Craig Mailman with Citi.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ์”จํ‹ฐ์˜ ํฌ๋ ˆ์ด๊ทธ ๋ฉ”์ผ๋จผ์œผ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Craig Mailman: Citigroup Inc., Research Division Just to follow up on the leasing. The pace of leasing has been pretty consistent here and strong. I'm just kind of curious the tenor of the conversations maybe as you're talking to retailers and their demand and appetite to go into Class A and what they're willing to pay for that versus maybe what a same tenant or vertical would be willing to pay for space in Class B. Just kind of curious what the appetite looks like there and the pricing for that.**Craig Mailman:** ๋ฆฌํ…Œ์ผ๋Ÿฌ๋“ค๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋ฉด์„œ ๋А๋ผ๋Š” ์ ์€, ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์—„ A๊ธ‰ ๋งค์žฅ ์ž…์  ์ˆ˜์š”์™€ ์˜์ง€๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž„์ฐจ์ธ๋“ค์ด A๊ธ‰ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ง€๋ถˆํ•  ์šฉ์˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž„๋Œ€๋ฃŒ ์ˆ˜์ค€๊ณผ, ๋™์ผํ•œ ์ž„์ฐจ์ธ์ด๋‚˜ ์—…์ข…์ด B๊ธ‰ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ง€๋ถˆํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ๊ธˆ์•ก ๊ฐ„์—๋Š” ๋ถ„๋ช…ํ•œ ์ฐจ์ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

ํ˜„์žฌ ์‹œ์žฅ์—์„œ ๋ณด๋ฉด, A๊ธ‰ ์ž์‚ฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์—„์€ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์œ ํšจํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฆฌํ…Œ์ผ๋Ÿฌ๋“ค์€ ์ž…์ง€, ๊ณ ๊ฐ ํŠธ๋ž˜ํ”ฝ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ธŒ๋žœ๋“œ ์ด๋ฏธ์ง€ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ A๊ธ‰ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์ด ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฐ€์น˜๋ฅผ ์ธ์‹ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์—„์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•  ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. B๊ธ‰ ๊ณต๊ฐ„ ๋Œ€๋น„ ํ‰๋ฐฉํ”ผํŠธ๋‹น ์ž„๋Œ€๋ฃŒ ๊ฒฉ์ฐจ๋Š” ์ง€์—ญ๊ณผ ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ์ž…์ง€์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‹ค๋ฅด์ง€๋งŒ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ณด์œ ํ•œ ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์—„ ์ž์‚ฐ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ˆ˜์š”๋Š” ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ๊ฐ•์„ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
David Simon: Chairman, CEO & President Yes. Well, we don't -- I mean, pricing is, it's just so space market asset driven. It's -- there is -- hopefully, AI will solve it for us, so we don't have to negotiate, It will just say. Here is the rent that the tenant and the landlord should agree on. And then we can -- I don't know what we do, but we can use that. So I can't really tell you. I mean, obviously, A assets have higher demand, but we're making a lot of progress in the Bs. And we don't really talk about pricing power. We really talk about you can't force a deal. So it's -- the tenant has to agree, we have to agree, and it's a negotiation -- and I would say how many leases did we do last year, guys.**David Simon:** ๋„ค, ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ ์ฑ…์ •์€ ์ •๋ง ๊ณต๊ฐ„๋ณ„, ์‹œ์žฅ๋ณ„, ์ž์‚ฐ๋ณ„๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ž์œผ๋กœ AI๊ฐ€ ์ด ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•ด์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ํ˜‘์ƒํ•  ํ•„์š” ์—†์ด AI๊ฐ€ ์ž„์ฐจ์ธ๊ณผ ์ž„๋Œ€์ธ์ด ํ•ฉ์˜ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ž„๋Œ€๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ์ œ์‹œํ•ด์ฃผ๊ฒ ์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ญ˜ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ์ง€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ํ™œ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ๋Š” ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ฌผ๋ก  A๊ธ‰ ์ž์‚ฐ์˜ ์ˆ˜์š”๊ฐ€ ๋” ๋†’์€ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด์ง€๋งŒ, B๊ธ‰ ์ž์‚ฐ์—์„œ๋„ ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ์ง„์ „์„ ์ด๋ฃจ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ ๊ฒฐ์ •๋ ฅ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š”, ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋ฅผ ๊ฐ•์ œํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์„ ๊ฐ•์กฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž„์ฐจ์ธ๋„ ๋™์˜ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋„ ๋™์˜ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ํ˜‘์ƒ ๊ณผ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž‘๋…„์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ฒด๊ฒฐํ•œ ๋ฆฌ์Šค ๊ณ„์•ฝ์ด ๋ช‡ ๊ฑด์ด์—ˆ์ฃ ?
Brian McDade: Executive VP & CFO 4,600.**Brian McDade:** 4,600์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
David Simon: Chairman, CEO & President No, no by square feet.**David Simon:** ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ํ‰๋ฐฉํ”ผํŠธ ๊ธฐ์ค€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Brian McDade: Executive VP & CFO 17 million.**Brian McDade:** 200000

1,700๋งŒ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
David Simon: Chairman, CEO & President 17 million. So strangely enough, we figured out how to make deals on 17 million square feet, okay? So it's more of an art than a science, maybe, AI can make it more of a science, but again, it's not pricing power, just what's the right deal for both of us.**David Simon:** 1,700๋งŒ ํ‰๋ฐฉํ”ผํŠธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๊ฒŒ๋„, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” 1,700๋งŒ ํ‰๋ฐฉํ”ผํŠธ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์˜ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋ฅผ ์„ฑ์‚ฌ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ์ฐพ์•„๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฑด ๊ณผํ•™์ด๋ผ๊ธฐ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ์˜ˆ์ˆ ์— ๊ฐ€๊น๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒ ๋„ค์š”. ์•„๋งˆ๋„ AI๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ฅผ ์ข€ ๋” ๊ณผํ•™์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ ๊ฒฐ์ •๋ ฅ์˜ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์–‘์ธก ๋ชจ๋‘์—๊ฒŒ ์ ์ ˆํ•œ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Craig Mailman: Citigroup Inc., Research Division I'm mean, I guess, is it getting easier to lease Class B versus maybe 12 months ago? Any...**Craig Mailman:** 12๊ฐœ์›” ์ „๊ณผ ๋น„๊ตํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ B๋“ฑ๊ธ‰ ๊ฑด๋ฌผ์˜ ์ž„๋Œ€๊ฐ€ ๋” ์‰ฌ์›Œ์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜น์‹œ...
David Simon: Chairman, CEO & President I think that's a safe statement. And again, if you looked at Southdale Mall, a year or 2 years ago, we would say -- this was a C act, okay? And now we've made it an A. So part of our job is to enhance the quality. And we're -- we don't discriminate on what we're trying to achieve. What we're trying to achieve is make -- if it's in Midland, Texas, by the way, I hope you watch Landman, because that's -- for those who have been to Odessa and Midland, which, of course, I have been a few times. And you really -- it's really -- you really get the feel for. But our job is the Midland, Texas, which does -- used to have a lot of volatility of the oil price, less so today. But to make that the best it can be, at the same time, trying to make sure the best it can be. And that's one of the hallmarks of our company in that we can do that. And it just takes a lot of focus and a lot of energy to do that. But at the same time, we can build an outlet like we did in Indonesia, right? Very few companies can build in Indonesia and then build a new outlet in Oklahoma, okay? So that's just what we're about.**David Simon:** ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์•ˆ์ „ํ•œ ๋ฐœ์–ธ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ์‚ฌ์šฐ์Šค๋ฐ์ผ ๋ชฐ(Southdale Mall)์„ 1~2๋…„ ์ „์— ๋ดค๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด๊ฒŒ C๊ธ‰ ์ž์‚ฐ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์„ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ A๊ธ‰์œผ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์—…๋ฌด์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ์ž์‚ฐ์˜ ์งˆ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•˜๊ณ ์ž ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ชฉํ‘œ์—๋Š” ์ฐจ๋ณ„์„ ๋‘์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€, ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ํ…์‚ฌ์Šค ๋ฏธ๋“ค๋žœ๋“œ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž์‚ฐ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด - ์ฐธ๊ณ ๋กœ 'Landman'์ด๋ผ๋Š” ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์„ ๋ณด์‹œ๊ธธ ๊ถŒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋ฐ์‚ฌ์™€ ๋ฏธ๋“ค๋žœ๋“œ์— ๊ฐ€๋ณด์‹  ๋ถ„๋“ค์ด๋ผ๋ฉด, ์ €๋„ ๋ฌผ๋ก  ๋ช‡ ๋ฒˆ ๊ฐ€๋ดค๋Š”๋ฐ์š”, ์ •๋ง ๊ทธ ์ง€์—ญ์˜ ๋ถ„์œ„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ž˜ ๋А๋‚„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์–ด์จŒ๋“  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ž„๋ฌด๋Š” ํ…์‚ฌ์Šค ๋ฏธ๋“ค๋žœ๋“œ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ณณ, ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ์—๋Š” ์œ ๊ฐ€ ๋ณ€๋™์„ฑ์ด ์ปธ์ง€๋งŒ ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๋œํ•œ ๊ณณ์ด์ฃ , ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ณณ์„ ์ตœ๊ณ ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๋™์‹œ์— ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ž์‚ฐ๋“ค๋„ ์ตœ๊ณ ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํšŒ์‚ฌ์˜ ํŠน์ง• ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก  ๋งŽ์€ ์ง‘์ค‘๊ณผ ์—๋„ˆ์ง€๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ์ผ์ด์ฃ . ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋™์‹œ์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ธ๋„๋„ค์‹œ์•„์—์„œ ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋งค์žฅ์„ ๊ตฌ์ถ•ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ธ๋„๋„ค์‹œ์•„์— ๋งค์žฅ์„ ์ง“๊ณ  ๋™์‹œ์— ์˜คํด๋ผํ˜ธ๋งˆ์— ์ƒˆ ๋งค์žฅ์„ ์ง€์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Greg McGinniss with Scotiabank.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ Scotiabank์˜ Greg McGinniss๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Greg McGinniss: Scotiabank Global Banking and Markets, Research Division Normally, this question doesn't fall so deep into the question queue, but I think someone needs to ask. So Brian, how should we think about the factors that could drive Simon to the higher or lower end of the FFO per share guidance range, especially considering that you're already absorbing some additional unexpected bankruptcies versus the December budgeting process?**Greg McGinniss:** ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋Šฆ๊ฒŒ ๋‚˜์˜ค์ง€๋Š” ์•Š๋Š”๋ฐ, ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ธŒ๋ผ์ด์–ธ, ์ฃผ๋‹น FFO ๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค ๋ฒ”์œ„์—์„œ ์‚ฌ์ด๋จผ์ด ์ƒ๋‹จ์ด๋‚˜ ํ•˜๋‹จ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์š”์ธ๋“ค์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”? ํŠนํžˆ 12์›” ์˜ˆ์‚ฐ ์ˆ˜๋ฆฝ ๊ณผ์ • ๋Œ€๋น„ ์ด๋ฏธ ์˜ˆ์ƒ์น˜ ๋ชปํ•œ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ํŒŒ์‚ฐ๋“ค์„ ํก์ˆ˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์„ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Brian McDade: Executive VP & CFO Greg, I think the way to think about it is very similar to how we run our business. We start beginning the year very conservatively and build throughout the year. I think we touched upon a variety of the potential inputs that will drive the outperformance. Certainly, our ancillary businesses, our leasing business, sales, certainly, we've done...**Brian McDade:** ์—ฐ์ดˆ์—๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๋ณด์ˆ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ด์„œ ์—ฐ์ค‘ ์ ์ง„์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ™•๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋‚˜๊ฐ€๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ์šด์˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋™์ผํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ดˆ๊ณผ ์‹ค์ ์„ ๊ฒฌ์ธํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์š”์ธ๋“ค์„ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ ธ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. ๋ถ€๋Œ€์‚ฌ์—…, ๋ฆฌ์Šค ์‚ฌ์—…, ํŒ๋งค ๋ถ€๋ฌธ ๋“ฑ์ด ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ํ•ด๋‹น๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ...
David Simon: Chairman, CEO & President Yes, I would just -- sales to me, could be significant upside. We -- because you probably know we budget ourselves flat-ish. And so we hit 3% growth, I would hope to be our estimate. And to me, yes, we'll have bankruptcies. Will have -- tenants will be delayed, that kind of stuff. But if we get the tenant sales growth that we hope to get, yes, then we'll do better. And I would -- I don't anticipate doing worse than our range.**David Simon:** ๋„ค, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๋งค์ถœ์ด ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ์ƒ์Šน ์—ฌ๋ ฅ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๋ณดํ†ต ๋ณด์ˆ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ „๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ ๋ณดํ•ฉ ์ˆ˜์ค€์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์‚ฐ์„ ์žก์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ 3% ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ €ํฌ ์˜ˆ์ƒ์น˜๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก  ํŒŒ์‚ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณณ๋„ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ , ์ž„์ฐจ์ธ๋“ค์˜ ์ž…์ ์ด ์ง€์—ฐ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋„ ์žˆ๊ฒ ์ฃ . ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๋งŒํผ ์ž„์ฐจ์ธ ๋งค์ถœ ์„ฑ์žฅ์ด ๋‚˜์˜จ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ์ข‹์€ ์‹ค์ ์„ ๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €ํฌ ๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค ๋ฒ”์œ„๋ณด๋‹ค ๋ชปํ•  ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ ๋Š” ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Vince Tibone with Green Street.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ Green Street์˜ Vince Tibone๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Vince Tibone: Green Street Advisors, LLC, Research Division I got 1 more on guidance. Can you just discuss the level of domestic property NOI guidance included in '26 FFO? And then also, if you could just help quantify '25 was a bigger acquisition year than the recent past? Like how much did '25 completed acquisitions, benefit or contribute to domestic property NOI in '26?**Vince Tibone:**

๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋” ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 26๋…„ FFO์— ํฌํ•จ๋œ ๊ตญ๋‚ด ๋ถ€๋™์‚ฐ NOI ๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค ์ˆ˜์ค€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  25๋…„์ด ์ตœ๊ทผ ๋ช‡ ๋…„๊ณผ ๋น„๊ตํ•ด ์ธ์ˆ˜ ๊ทœ๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ๋” ์ปธ๋˜ ํ•ด์˜€๋Š”๋ฐ, 25๋…„์— ์™„๋ฃŒ๋œ ์ธ์ˆ˜ ๊ฑด๋“ค์ด 26๋…„ ๊ตญ๋‚ด ๋ถ€๋™์‚ฐ NOI์— ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๊ธฐ์—ฌํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํ˜œํƒ์„ ์ฃผ๋Š”์ง€ ์ˆ˜์น˜๋กœ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?

David Simon: Chairman, CEO & President We're projecting 3% comp NOI growth. The deals -- Taubman really is a '27 story because of -- you'll see an announcement from us tomorrow or the next day on some transformations of 3 properties that now that we've got our hands on. We also have the integration, which is a '26 story. So it's -- we obviously issued units as well, and we haven't quarterized that, which is our intent. People made fun of that name, but that's legit use of the word. So we really haven't done much of that yet. So we'll be prudent about that. That's not really in the guidance. And the other deals helped a few cents, but they're all early days. A couple were pretty small, but all over time will contribute to our growth.**David Simon:** ์ €ํฌ๋Š” 3%์˜ ๋น„๊ต ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ ์ˆœ์˜์—…์ด์ต(comp NOI) ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํƒ€์šฐ๋ธŒ๋งŒ ๊ด€๋ จ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋“ค์€ ์‹ค์งˆ์ ์œผ๋กœ 2027๋…„ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ์ธ์ˆ˜ํ•œ 3๊ฐœ ์ž์‚ฐ์˜ ์ „ํ™˜ ์ž‘์—…์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ณต์ง€๋ฅผ ๋‚ด์ผ์ด๋‚˜ ๋ชจ๋ ˆ ๋ณด์‹œ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ ํ†ตํ•ฉ ์ž‘์—…๋„ ์ง„ํ–‰ ์ค‘์ธ๋ฐ, ์ด๋Š” 2026๋…„ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ณด์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์œ ๋‹›(units)๋„ ๋ฐœํ–‰ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์•„์ง ์ด๋ฅผ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ๋ณ„๋กœ ์„ธ๋ถ„ํ™”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ €ํฌ ์˜๋„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ ์šฉ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ๋†€๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ๋„ ํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ •๋‹นํ•œ ์šฉ์–ด ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•„์ง ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ทธ ์ž‘์—…์„ ๋งŽ์ด ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์‹ ์ค‘ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ ‘๊ทผํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค์—๋„ ๋ฐ˜์˜๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋“ค๋„ ๋ช‡ ์„ผํŠธ ์ •๋„ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ดˆ๊ธฐ ๋‹จ๊ณ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ช‡ ๊ฑด์€ ๊ทœ๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ๊ฝค ์ž‘์•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ง€๋‚˜๋ฉด์„œ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ €ํฌ ์„ฑ์žฅ์— ๊ธฐ์—ฌํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Vince Tibone: Green Street Advisors, LLC, Research Division That makes sense. That's really helpful. If I can maybe squeeze in a quick follow-up. I think, Brian, you mentioned earlier I think, $30 million of NOI coming online from redevelopment this year. Is that a net figure, like adjusting for any NOI that's going to be taken offline like some of the Taubman projects you just discussed? Or should we model more NOI coming offline than the $30 million, if you follow me?**Vince Tibone:** ๋„ค, ์ดํ•ดํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  3์ฒœ๋งŒ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋Š” ์ˆœ์ˆ˜์ต(NOI) ์ˆœ์ฆ๊ฐ€๋ถ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ฌํ•ด ์žฌ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ์˜จ๋ผ์ธํ™”๋˜๋Š” ์ˆœ์ˆ˜์ต์—์„œ ์˜คํ”„๋ผ์ธ์œผ๋กœ ์ „ํ™˜๋˜๋Š” ์ˆœ์ˆ˜์ต์„ ์ด๋ฏธ ์ฐจ๊ฐํ•œ ์ˆ˜์น˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋ชจ๋ธ๋งํ•˜์‹ค ๋•Œ๋Š” ์ถ”๊ฐ€๋กœ ์˜คํ”„๋ผ์ธ๋˜๋Š” ์ˆœ์ˆ˜์ต์„ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•˜์‹ค ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฐ 3์ฒœ๋งŒ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ฏธ ์ˆœ์ฆ๊ฐ€๋ถ„์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—, ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ๋…ผ์˜ํ•œ ํƒ€์šฐ๋ธŒ๋งŒ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋“ค์„ ํฌํ•จํ•ด์„œ ์˜คํ”„๋ผ์ธ์œผ๋กœ ์ „ํ™˜๋˜๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ถ„๋“ค์ด ์ด๋ฏธ ๋ฐ˜์˜๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Brian McDade: Executive VP & CFO It wasn't a net number, no. It was basically our deliveries, the expected yield, there's some timing elements to it as well.**Brian McDade:** 200000

์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ์ˆœ์ˆ˜์น˜๋Š” ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ €ํฌ ์ธ๋„๋Ÿ‰, ์˜ˆ์ƒ ์ˆ˜์œจ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํƒ€์ด๋ฐ ์š”์†Œ๋“ค๋„ ์ผ๋ถ€ ํฌํ•จ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
David Simon: Chairman, CEO & President Most of what we're doing, again, is back-end weighted. So that's just, yes, let's verify that number. But that's just a more back end weighted and not the full NIL -- NII, net initial yield to those properties, those redevelopments. Again, I give you examples. Ann Arbor opening best case fourth quarter, Brea, best case fourth quarter, Mission, best case fourth quarter. And I can go down the line, but most of all of that is very, very limited back-end weighted Q4 openings.**David Simon:** ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋“ค์ด ํ•˜๋ฐ˜๊ธฐ์— ์ง‘์ค‘๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ ์ˆ˜์น˜๋ฅผ ํ™•์ธํ•ด๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ, ์ด๋Š” ๋‹จ์ง€ ํ•˜๋ฐ˜๊ธฐ์— ์ง‘์ค‘๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ , ํ•ด๋‹น ์žฌ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ ๋ถ€๋™์‚ฐ๋“ค์˜ ์ „์ฒด ์ˆœ์ดˆ๊ธฐ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ (NII, Net Initial Yield)์ด ๋ฐ˜์˜๋œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ์•ค์•„๋ฒ„๋Š” ๋นจ๋ผ์•ผ 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์˜คํ”ˆ, ๋ธŒ๋ ˆ์•„๋„ ๋นจ๋ผ์•ผ 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ, ๋ฏธ์…˜๋„ ๋นจ๋ผ์•ผ 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ณ„์† ๋‚˜์—ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋“ค์ด ๋งค์šฐ ์ œํ•œ์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ•˜๋ฐ˜๊ธฐ, ํŠนํžˆ 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ์˜คํ”ˆ์— ์ง‘์ค‘๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Floris Van Dijkum with Ladenburg. Floris Gerbrand Van Dijkum Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc., Research Division So quarterize, I guess, is an appropriate term. So I guess that's another 3 million of shares that you could be buying back. It sounds like which obviously would be accretive. My question is more on your -- as I usually ask about your S&O pipeline and how that is progressing -- and how do you see that trending throughout '26 and into -- as you sign your 17 million of leases. If you can maybe Brian, if you can give a little commentary around that and what percentage of that S&O pipeline is luxury versus your traditional retailers?**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ Ladenburg์˜ Floris Van Dijkum์œผ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋“ค์–ด์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ถ„๊ธฐ๋ณ„๋กœ ๋‚˜๋ˆ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ ์ ˆํ•œ ํ‘œํ˜„์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ์š”. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ์•ฝ 300๋งŒ ์ฃผ๋ฅผ ์ถ”๊ฐ€๋กœ ์ž์‚ฌ์ฃผ ๋งค์ž…ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ง์”€์ด์‹  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๊ณ , ๋‹น์—ฐํžˆ ์ฃผ๋‹น๊ฐ€์น˜ ํฌ์„๋ฐฉ์ง€ ํšจ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋Š˜ ์—ฌ์ญค๋ณด๋Š” S&O ํŒŒ์ดํ”„๋ผ์ธ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฑด๋ฐ์š”, ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ง„ํ–‰๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  1,700๋งŒ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์˜ ๋ฆฌ์Šค ๊ณ„์•ฝ์„ ์ฒด๊ฒฐํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด์„œ '26๋…„ ๋‚ด๋‚ด ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์ดํ›„๋กœ ์–ด๋–ค ์ถ”์„ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ผ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜์‹œ๋Š”์ง€์š”. Brian, ์ด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ข€ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ์‹ ์ง€์š”. S&O ํŒŒ์ดํ”„๋ผ์ธ ์ค‘์—์„œ ๋Ÿญ์…”๋ฆฌ ๋ธŒ๋žœ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ์ฐจ์ง€ํ•˜๋Š” ๋น„์ค‘๊ณผ ๊ธฐ์กด ์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ ๋ฆฌํ…Œ์ผ๋Ÿฌ๋“ค์˜ ๋น„์ค‘์ด ๊ฐ๊ฐ ์–ด๋А ์ •๋„์ธ์ง€๋„ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
Brian McDade: Executive VP & CFO Floris, this is Brian. So at year-end, we were about 2.1% of S&O, which is consistent with the prior several years at [ 12.31 ]. As you know, we opened in the fourth quarter, vast majority of retailers and then the momentum builds throughout the balance of the year. So we would expect that number to go up, second, third and fourth quarter.**Brian McDade:** ๋„ค, Floris, Brian์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฐ๋ง ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ S&O ๋Œ€๋น„ ์•ฝ 2.1% ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ด๋Š” ์ง€๋‚œ ๋ช‡ ๋…„๊ฐ„ 12์›” 31์ผ ๊ธฐ์ค€๊ณผ ์ผ๊ด€๋œ ์ˆ˜์น˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— ๋Œ€๋‹ค์ˆ˜ ๋ฆฌํ…Œ์ผ๋Ÿฌ๋“ค๊ณผ ์˜คํ”ˆํ–ˆ๊ณ , ์ดํ›„ ์—ฐ์ค‘ ๋‚ด๋‚ด ๋ชจ๋ฉ˜ํ…€์ด ์Œ“์—ฌ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ตฌ์กฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ 2๋ถ„๊ธฐ, 3๋ถ„๊ธฐ, 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋ฉด์„œ ๊ทธ ์ˆ˜์น˜๊ฐ€ ์˜ฌ๋ผ๊ฐˆ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
David Simon: Chairman, CEO & President Yes. I think it's good that, that number -- the way I would look at it is to get to that number staying almost stable because that means we're replacing tenants or filling the vacant space, and it's not going down. So there's positive churn in that, which is good. Floris Gerbrand Van Dijkum Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc., Research Division So let me just make sure I understand. So 210 basis points of S&O is what it was at year-end. What percentage of that is luxury tenants. If you can give a little bit more color on that?**David Simon:** ๋„ค, ๊ทธ ์ˆ˜์น˜๊ฐ€ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์•ˆ์ •์ ์œผ๋กœ ์œ ์ง€๋œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ข‹์€ ์‹ ํ˜ธ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ด๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ…Œ๋„ŒํŠธ๋ฅผ ๊ต์ฒดํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ณต์‹ค์„ ์ฑ„์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์˜๋ฏธ์ด๊ณ , ์ˆ˜์น˜๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋ฝํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ํ…Œ๋„ŒํŠธ ๊ต์ฒด๊ฐ€ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ , ์ด๋Š” ์ข‹์€ ํ˜„์ƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ œ๋Œ€๋กœ ์ดํ•ดํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฐ๋ง ๊ธฐ์ค€ S&O๊ฐ€ 210bp์˜€๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ง์”€์ด์‹ ๋ฐ, ๊ทธ ์ค‘์—์„œ ๋Ÿญ์…”๋ฆฌ ํ…Œ๋„ŒํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์ฐจ์ง€ํ•˜๋Š” ๋น„์ค‘์ด ์–ด๋А ์ •๋„์ธ์ง€ ์ข€ ๋” ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ์‹ ๊ฐ€์š”?
David Simon: Chairman, CEO & President Yes. We don't get into that. But yes, it's not happening, right? They're very selective. They're very focused, but we're -- we don't really -- it's not anywhere near the majority. It's well less than half. But it's not the size, it's the quality. So that's how you have to look at. You can add -- Southdale is a great example. Southdale Center, again, is probably 1.4 million square feet, 1.3 million, huge number. It's got all sorts of funky basement, the third level space, put all that aside. What transformed Southdale was essentially 70,000 square feet of high-end leasing. So it's the quality, not the quantity. So that's what we should focus on. It's not all they're going to do is 500,000 square feet of luxury. It's -- if you can add 20,000, 30,000, 40,000 in the right markets, it makes a real difference. And that's what you should look out for. It's not the actual amount of the S&O. Floris Gerbrand Van Dijkum Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc., Research Division And David, that's very helpful, by the way. But are there any more Southdales expected in the pipeline?**David Simon:** ๋„ค, ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์„ธ๋ถ€ ์‚ฌํ•ญ๊นŒ์ง€๋Š” ๊ณต๊ฐœํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์€ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์„ ๋ณ„์ ์ด๊ณ  ์ง‘์ค‘์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ ‘๊ทผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฑด, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ „์ฒด์˜ ๋Œ€๋‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์ฐจ์ง€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ „ํ˜€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๋Š” ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ ˆ๋ฐ˜์—๋„ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋ชป ๋ฏธ์นฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฑด ๊ทœ๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ํ’ˆ์งˆ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์‚ฌ์šฐ์Šค๋ฐ์ผ(Southdale)์ด ์ข‹์€ ์˜ˆ์‹œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ์šฐ์Šค๋ฐ์ผ ์„ผํ„ฐ๋Š” ์•ฝ 130๋งŒ~140๋งŒ ํ‰๋ฐฉํ”ผํŠธ ๊ทœ๋ชจ๋กœ ์—„์ฒญ๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ํฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€ํ•˜์ธต์ด๋‚˜ 3์ธต ๊ณต๊ฐ„ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ณต์žกํ•œ ๊ตฌ์กฐ๋“ค๋„ ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ๋‹ค ์ œ์ณ๋‘๊ณ , ์‚ฌ์šฐ์Šค๋ฐ์ผ์„ ์‹ค์งˆ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณ€ํ™”์‹œํ‚จ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ณธ์งˆ์ ์œผ๋กœ 7๋งŒ ํ‰๋ฐฉํ”ผํŠธ์˜ ๊ณ ๊ธ‰ ์ž„๋Œ€ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ์–‘์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์งˆ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด 50๋งŒ ํ‰๋ฐฉํ”ผํŠธ์˜ ๋Ÿญ์…”๋ฆฌ ๊ณต๊ฐ„๋งŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ฒ ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ ์ ˆํ•œ ์‹œ์žฅ์—์„œ 2๋งŒ, 3๋งŒ, 4๋งŒ ํ‰๋ฐฉํ”ผํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์‹ค์งˆ์ ์ธ ์ฐจ์ด๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด๋ƒ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹ค์ œ S&O ๊ธˆ์•ก ์ž์ฒด๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ์š”.

๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  David, ๊ทธ ๋ง์”€ ์ •๋ง ๋„์›€์ด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ํŒŒ์ดํ”„๋ผ์ธ์— Southdale๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๊ฐ€ ๋” ์˜ˆ์ •๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
David Simon: Chairman, CEO & President Yes. Yes. Eli is going to announce something tomorrow or the next tomorrow, maybe tomorrow. I haven't approved it yet. Yes, we think we definitely think there's more to do.**David Simon:** ๋„ค, ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Eli๊ฐ€ ๋‚ด์ผ์ด๋‚˜ ๋ชจ๋ ˆ, ์•„๋งˆ ๋‚ด์ผ ๋ฐœํ‘œํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•„์ง ์ตœ์ข… ์Šน์ธ์€ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์ง€๋งŒ์š”. ๋„ค, ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ํ•  ์ผ์ด ๋” ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Omotayo Okusanya with Deutsche Bank.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ๋„์ด์ฒด๋ฐฉํฌ์˜ ์˜ค๋ชจํƒ€์š” ์˜ค์ฟ ์†์•ผ ์• ๋„๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Omotayo Okusanya: Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division Just curious about deal flow, $2 billion of activity in 2025 was pretty good. Just curious, as you're looking globally what you're seeing out there and how we should kind of be thinking about that in '26?**Omotayo Okusanya:**

2025๋…„ 20์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜ ํ™œ๋™์€ ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ์–‘ํ˜ธํ•œ ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ ์‹œ์žฅ์„ ๋ณด์‹œ๋ฉด์„œ ํ˜„์žฌ ์–ด๋–ค ์ƒํ™ฉ๋“ค์„ ๋ชฉ๊ฒฉํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹ ์ง€, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  26๋…„๋„์—๋Š” ์ด๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ „๋งํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

Eli Simon: COO, Executive VP, Chief Investment Officer & Director Yes, I mean, listen, we always look, but we have a very high bar, right? The best way to think about it is it has to be something that is brand accretive to our portfolio. It's something that we can add our expertise, whether it's leasing, densification, property management, running it better and it has to be at the right price. And so last year, we were able to find a few of those transactions that we're very excited about. And we are off to a good start. And if there are more of those, great. And if not, we'll continue to reinvest into our existing portfolio, which we're earning great yields and obviously had a big growing shadow pipeline behind that.**Eli Simon:** ๋„ค, ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ, ๋งค์šฐ ๋†’์€ ๊ธฐ์ค€์„ ์ ์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ €ํฌ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์— ๋ธŒ๋žœ๋“œ ๊ฐ€์น˜๋ฅผ ๋”ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฆฌ์‹ฑ(leasing), ๊ณ ๋„ํ™”(densification), ์ž์‚ฐ๊ด€๋ฆฌ ๋“ฑ ์ €ํฌ์˜ ์ „๋ฌธ์„ฑ์„ ํ™œ์šฉํ•ด ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ์šด์˜์ด ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•œ ์ž์‚ฐ์ด์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ , ์ ์ •ํ•œ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์ด์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž‘๋…„์— ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์กฐ๊ฑด์„ ์ถฉ์กฑํ•˜๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๊ฑด์˜ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋ฅผ ์„ฑ์‚ฌ์‹œ์ผฐ๊ณ , ๋งค์šฐ ๋งŒ์กฑ์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ฌํ•ด๋„ ์ข‹์€ ์ถœ๋ฐœ์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ๋” ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ข‹๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š๋”๋ผ๋„ ๊ธฐ์กด ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์— ๊ณ„์† ์žฌํˆฌ์žํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์ˆ˜์ต๋ฅ ์„ ์˜ฌ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ , ์„ฑ์žฅ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•œ ๋Œ€๊ทœ๋ชจ ์ž ์žฌ ํŒŒ์ดํ”„๋ผ์ธ(shadow pipeline)๋„ ํ™•๋ณดํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
David Simon: Chairman, CEO & President Yes. I think with our new development in South Nashville, and all the redevelopment mixed-use pipeline. The bar to buy something for us is, it is, you don't have to be an Olympic high jumper, but you got to have more [indiscernible], okay? So -- and why I'm saying this is because we are really excited about our redevelopment pipeline. It's not a capital question. It's just then I would say we're going to take just, pops into my head. But take Boca as an example. We finally won the litigation, we were able to buy the building from Seritage, and that development in itself could be $500 million. And that's just 1 example that pops in my head, but we have the same thing in Fashion Valley in San Diego, taking the [ Penney ] building and creating mixed-use and more retail space. So that -- and then we've got the new development in Nashville, which could be $500 million. So Woodbury, extension of Woodbury, extension of Toronto.**David Simon:** ๋„ค, ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ์šฐ์Šค ๋‚ด์Šˆ๋นŒ์—์„œ ์ง„ํ–‰ ์ค‘์ธ ์‹ ๊ทœ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ๊ณผ ๋ชจ๋“  ์žฌ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ ๋ณตํ•ฉ์šฉ๋„ ํŒŒ์ดํ”„๋ผ์ธ์„ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ง์ด์ฃ . ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์ธ์ˆ˜ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ธฐ์ค€์€, ์˜ฌ๋ฆผํ”ฝ ๋†’์ด๋›ฐ๊ธฐ ์„ ์ˆ˜์ผ ํ•„์š”๋Š” ์—†์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ๋ž˜๋„ ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด ๋˜์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋Š” ์ €ํฌ ์žฌ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ ํŒŒ์ดํ”„๋ผ์ธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ •๋ง ๊ธฐ๋Œ€๊ฐ€ ํฌ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž๋ณธ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋– ์˜ค๋ฅด๋Š” ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์ž๋ฉด, ๋ณด์นด(Boca)๋ฅผ ๋ณด์‹œ์ฃ . ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งˆ์นจ๋‚ด ์†Œ์†ก์—์„œ ์Šน์†Œํ–ˆ๊ณ , ์„ธ๋ฆฌํ‹ฐ์ง€(Seritage)๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๊ฑด๋ฌผ์„ ๋งค์ž…ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ทธ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ ๊ฑด๋งŒ์œผ๋กœ๋„ 5์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ทœ๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฑด ์ œ ๋จธ๋ฆฟ์†์— ๋– ์˜ค๋ฅธ ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์˜ˆ์‹œ์ผ ๋ฟ์ด๊ณ , ์ƒŒ๋””์—์ด๊ณ  ํŒจ์…˜๋ฐธ๋ฆฌ์—์„œ๋„ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŽ˜๋‹ˆ ๊ฑด๋ฌผ์„ ํ™œ์šฉํ•ด์„œ ๋ณตํ•ฉ์šฉ๋„ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ๊ณผ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ๋ฆฌํ…Œ์ผ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚ด์Šˆ๋นŒ์— ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ด๊ฒŒ 5์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ทœ๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋“œ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ ํ™•์žฅ, ํ† ๋ก ํ†  ํ™•์žฅ๋„ ์ง„ํ–‰ ์ค‘์ด๊ณ ์š”.
Brian McDade: Executive VP & CFO**Brian McDade:**
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์‹ค์ œ ๋ฒˆ์—ญํ•  ๋ฐœ์–ธ ๋‚ด์šฉ์ด ์ œ๊ณต๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. "Executive VP & CFO"๋Š” ์งํ•จ์ผ ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์–ด๋‹์ฝœ Q&A ์„ธ์…˜์—์„œ ๊ฒฝ์˜์ง„์ด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ํ•œ ๋ฐœ์–ธ ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๋ฉด ๋ฒˆ์—ญํ•ด ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
David Simon: Chairman, CEO & President Desert Hills. So these things are very exciting to us. And so we've got to be -- we have to have similar excitement if we buy some. And that similar excitement has to then be grounded by what Eli said, which is does it fit with our portfolio? Can we add value? What's the game plan? I don't think the one that we bought Brickell. Now that we've taken over the leasing, we got a lot of great stuff in the works there and an asset that 10 years from now will be worth $3 billion to $4 billion.**David Simon:** ํšŒ์žฅ, CEO ๊ฒธ ์‚ฌ์žฅ์ธ Desert Hills๊นŒ์ง€ ํฌํ•จํ•ด์„œ์š”. ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ์ €ํฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์ •๋ง ํฅ๋ถ„๋˜๋Š” ์ผ๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์ธ์ˆ˜ํ•  ๋•Œ๋„ ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ํฅ๋ถ„์„ ๋А๋‚„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ํฅ๋ถ„์€ Eli๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ํ˜„์‹ค์ ์ธ ๊ทผ๊ฑฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜์ฃ . ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์— ๋งž๋Š”๊ฐ€? ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์น˜๋ฅผ ๋”ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”๊ฐ€? ๊ฒŒ์ž„ ํ”Œ๋žœ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€? ์ €๋Š” Brickell์„ ์ธ์ˆ˜ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ๋ฅผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฆฌ์‹ฑ์„ ๋งก๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋ฉด์„œ ์ •๋ง ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ๊ณ„ํš๋“ค์ด ์ง„ํ–‰ ์ค‘์ด๊ณ , ์ด ์ž์‚ฐ์€ 10๋…„ ํ›„๋ฉด 30์–ต~40์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์˜ ๊ฐ€์น˜๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Linda Tsai with Jefferies.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ Jefferies์˜ Linda Tsai๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ฐ›๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Linda Yu Tsai: Jefferies LLC, Research Division Just a follow-up on the redevelopments. When you engage in them, are you relocating retailers within your existing property or drawing new retailers into the market? Or taking share from other assets in the area?**Linda Yu Tsai:**

์žฌ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ ๊ด€๋ จ ํ›„์† ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์žฌ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ์„ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•˜์‹ค ๋•Œ, ๊ธฐ์กด ์ž์‚ฐ ๋‚ด์—์„œ ์†Œ๋งค์—…์ฒด๋“ค์„ ์žฌ๋ฐฐ์น˜ํ•˜์‹œ๋Š” ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์†Œ๋งค์—…์ฒด๋“ค์„ ์‹œ์žฅ์œผ๋กœ ์œ ์น˜ํ•˜์‹œ๋Š” ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”? ํ˜น์€ ํ•ด๋‹น ์ง€์—ญ์˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ž์‚ฐ๋“ค๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ ์œ ์œจ์„ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜ค์‹œ๋Š” ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”?

David Simon: Chairman, CEO & President We are bringing most of the time, we'll always relocate some existing retailers in the existing building. But most of the time, we're bringing new entrants into the market.**David Simon:** ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ๊ธฐ์กด ๊ฑด๋ฌผ์— ์žˆ๋˜ ์ผ๋ถ€ ์†Œ๋งค์—…์ฒด๋“ค์„ ์žฌ๋ฐฐ์น˜ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ์‹œ์žฅ์— ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ž…์ ์—…์ฒด๋“ค์„ ์œ ์น˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Linda Yu Tsai: Jefferies LLC, Research Division And then just on occupancy for '26 versus '25, how are you thinking about that? And does it vary at all across different formats, premium outlets, malls, mills?**Linda Yu Tsai:** 2026๋…„๊ณผ 2025๋…„์˜ ์ž…์ ๋ฅ (occupancy)์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ „๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹ ๊ฐ€์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์—„ ์•„์šธ๋ ›, ์‡ผํ•‘๋ชฐ, ๋ฐ€์Šค ๋“ฑ ์„œ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํฌ๋งท๋ณ„๋กœ ์ฐจ์ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
Brian McDade: Executive VP & CFO Linda, we do expect that there is some upward opportunity in our occupancy for the year across the platforms.**Brian McDade:** ์˜ฌํ•ด ์ „์ฒด ํ”Œ๋žซํผ์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ์ž…์ฃผ์œจ(occupancy)์— ์ƒ์Šน ์—ฌ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Mike Mueller with JPMorgan.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ JPMorgan์˜ Mike Mueller๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋“ค์–ด์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Michael Mueller: JPMorgan Chase & Co, Research Division Can you talk a little bit about the institutional appetite for higher productivity malls. For example, are your JV partners looking to invest more with you? Or are we more likely to see you buy them out?**Michael Mueller:**

์ƒ์‚ฐ์„ฑ์ด ๋†’์€ ์‡ผํ•‘๋ชฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ธฐ๊ด€ํˆฌ์ž์ž๋“ค์˜ ํˆฌ์ž ์˜์š•์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํ•ฉ์ž‘ํˆฌ์ž(JV) ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๋“ค์ด ์ €ํฌ์™€ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ํˆฌ์ž๋ฅผ ์›ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์ง€๋ถ„์„ ์ธ์ˆ˜ํ•  ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์ด ๋” ๋†’์€์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด์‹  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๊ธฐ๊ด€ํˆฌ์ž์ž๋“ค์˜ ๊ณ ์ƒ์‚ฐ์„ฑ ์‡ผํ•‘๋ชฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์€ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๋งค์šฐ ๋†’์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ์ˆ˜ํ•œ ์ž…์ง€์˜ ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์—„ ์ž์‚ฐ๋“ค์€ ์ง€์†์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ•ํ•œ ์ˆ˜์š”๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ ๊ธฐ์กด JV ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๋“ค์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ, ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ๋ถ€ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๋“ค์€ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ํˆฌ์ž ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์ ๊ทน์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ชจ์ƒ‰ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฐ˜๋ฉด, ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š” ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์ง€๋ถ„์„ ๋งค์ž…ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–‘์ธก ๋ชจ๋‘์—๊ฒŒ ๋” ํ•ฉ๋ฆฌ์ ์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๊ฐ ์ž์‚ฐ๊ณผ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ์‹ญ๋งˆ๋‹ค ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ๋‹ค๋ฅด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ผ๋ฅ ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ๋Š” ์–ด๋ ต์ง€๋งŒ, ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ์–‘์ชฝ ์˜ต์…˜ ๋ชจ๋‘์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์—ด๋ ค์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ถ๊ทน์ ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ์ฃผ์ฃผ๊ฐ€์น˜ ๊ทน๋Œ€ํ™”์™€ ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค ์ตœ์ ํ™”๋ผ๋Š” ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ ํ•ฉํ•œ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์œผ๋กœ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

David Simon: Chairman, CEO & President It's really -- we don't have a lot, to be honest. And what I've noticed it's really partner by partner. And a lot of it depends on how long they held the asset, what's going on in real estate investments, et cetera. So it's hard for me to say it's really one way or another. But there's not a rush to get out. And I would say, it's not a rush to get in. And if I had to make it -- if I had to make a simplistic statement, which I'm very confident in, that, right, because simple Simon, right, it's kind of more status quo.**David Simon:** ์†”์งํžˆ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งŽ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ•œ ์ ์€ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๋งˆ๋‹ค ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ์ •๋ง ๋‹ค๋ฅด๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž์‚ฐ์„ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์˜ค๋ž˜ ๋ณด์œ ํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€, ๋ถ€๋™์‚ฐ ํˆฌ์ž์—์„œ ์–ด๋–ค ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋“ฑ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์š”์ธ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‹ฌ๋ผ์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์–ด๋А ํ•œ์ชฝ์œผ๋กœ ๋‹จ์ • ์ง“๊ธฐ๋Š” ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋‹ค๋งŒ ์„œ๋‘˜๋Ÿฌ ๋น ์ ธ๋‚˜๊ฐ€๋ ค๋Š” ์›€์ง์ž„์€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๊ณ  ์„œ๋‘˜๋Ÿฌ ์ง„์ž…ํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ์›€์ง์ž„๋„ ์—†๊ณ ์š”. ๋‹จ์ˆœํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ •๋ฆฌํ•˜์ž๋ฉด, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ™•์‹ ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ˜„์ƒ ์œ ์ง€์— ๊ฐ€๊น๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Haendel St. Juste with Mizuho Securities.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ Mizuho Securities์˜ Haendel St. Juste๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Haendel St. Juste: Mizuho Securities USA LLC, Research Division I wanted to ask about luxury. I was hoping you could talk a little bit more about what you're seeing and hearing from luxury shoppers and tenants. The upper end consumer has clearly been resilient, but it looks like some of the luxury brands, LVMH, in particular, might be signaling a bit more caution for luxury this year, some of that obviously tied to tariffs, Chinese spending. So I guess I'm curious, what's your view and expectation for leasing demand and sales productivity from that tenant category for this year?**Haendel St. Juste:** ๋Ÿญ์…”๋ฆฌ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์—ฌ์ญค๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋Ÿญ์…”๋ฆฌ ์‡ผํ•‘๊ฐ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ž„์ฐจ์ธ๋“ค๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ณด๊ณ  ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹  ๋‚ด์šฉ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ข€ ๋” ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”? ๊ณ ์†Œ๋“ ์†Œ๋น„์ž์ธต์€ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ํšŒ๋ณต๋ ฅ์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์™”์ง€๋งŒ, ์ผ๋ถ€ ๋Ÿญ์…”๋ฆฌ ๋ธŒ๋žœ๋“œ๋“ค, ํŠนํžˆ LVMH๊ฐ€ ์˜ฌํ•ด ๋Ÿญ์…”๋ฆฌ ์‹œ์žฅ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ข€ ๋” ์‹ ์ค‘ํ•œ ์‹œ๊ทธ๋„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์ด ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ๊ด€์„ธ๋‚˜ ์ค‘๊ตญ ์†Œ๋น„ ๋ฌธ์ œ์™€ ์—ฐ๊ด€๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๊ณ ์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด, ์˜ฌํ•ด ํ•ด๋‹น ์ž„์ฐจ์ธ ์นดํ…Œ๊ณ ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋ฆฌ์‹ฑ ์ˆ˜์š”์™€ ๋งค์ถœ ์ƒ์‚ฐ์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ท€์‚ฌ์˜ ์ „๋ง๊ณผ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€๋Š” ์–ด๋– ์‹ ์ง€์š”?
David Simon: Chairman, CEO & President Sure. I would say, again, it's so dependent upon the company and then within the company, the brand. There are some that are growing. There are some that are still making deals, but a little more cautious. And then there are some that are slightly pulling back. The good news is that the -- what they have all discovered in the -- over the last decade or so is the U.S. is a lot bigger market than they ever thought it could be. So in the long run, we're all very much dedicated to be an important player here. Their wholesale business is obviously affected by what's going on with Saks Global. And that could inure to our benefit potentially, it might not. So I think as they look at their positioning, they're certainly going to have an opinion on that. And we're optimistic we'll continue to do business with Saks/Neiman and that will reorg and it will live a better life with a better balance sheet. I'd say generally, it's steady as she goes. Some growing, some peeling the onion and a lot of them just stable. And the great thing about these brands is they make long-term decisions. They're really investing in the brand and they're really investing in the stores. And they don't -- they do it over -- almost a little bit like us, they do it over a little bit longer horizon than quarter-to-quarter or year-to-year. And we really like being aligned with those kind of high-quality retailers.**David Simon:** ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋งˆ๋‹ค, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฐ™์€ ํšŒ์‚ฌ ๋‚ด์—์„œ๋„ ๋ธŒ๋žœ๋“œ๋งˆ๋‹ค ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ์ •๋ง ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์„ฑ์žฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ๋“ค๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ , ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋ฅผ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ข€ ๋” ์‹ ์ค‘ํ•œ ์ ‘๊ทผ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณณ๋“ค๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ํ›„ํ‡ดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณณ๋“ค๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ ์š”. ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ์ ์€ ์ง€๋‚œ 10์—ฌ ๋…„๊ฐ„ ์ด๋“ค ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์‹œ์žฅ์ด ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ํฐ ์‹œ์žฅ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์žฅ๊ธฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ด๊ณณ์—์„œ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ํ”Œ๋ ˆ์ด์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋งค์šฐ ์ „๋…ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์ด๋“ค์˜ ๋„๋งค ์‚ฌ์—…์€ ๋‹น์—ฐํžˆ Saks Global์—์„œ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์˜ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ž ์žฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์œ ๋ฆฌํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ž‘์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ , ์•„๋‹ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ด๋“ค์ด ์ž์‹ ๋“ค์˜ ํฌ์ง€์…”๋‹์„ ๊ฒ€ํ† ํ•  ๋•Œ, ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๊ทธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๋Š” Saks/Neiman๊ณผ ๊ณ„์† ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค๋ฅผ ์ด์–ด๊ฐˆ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋‚™๊ด€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋“ค์ด ์žฌํŽธ์„ ๊ฑฐ์ณ ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ์žฌ๋ฌด๊ตฌ์กฐ๋กœ ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ๋ชจ์Šต์„ ๋ณด์ผ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ์•ˆ์ •์ ์ธ ํ๋ฆ„์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ์„ฑ์žฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ , ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ๋‹จ๊ณ„์ ์œผ๋กœ ์กฐ์ •ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ์•ˆ์ •์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋ธŒ๋žœ๋“œ๋“ค์˜ ์žฅ์ ์€ ์žฅ๊ธฐ์ ์ธ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ์˜์‚ฌ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ธŒ๋žœ๋“œ์™€ ๋งค์žฅ์— ์ง„์ •์„ฑ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ํˆฌ์žํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ์™€ ๋น„์Šทํ•˜๊ฒŒ, ๋ถ„๊ธฐ๋ณ„์ด๋‚˜ ์—ฐ๋„๋ณ„ ๋‹จ๊ธฐ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ๊ธด ์‹œ๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์ ‘๊ทผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ณ ํ’ˆ์งˆ ๋ฆฌํ…Œ์ผ๋Ÿฌ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ˜‘๋ ฅ ๊ด€๊ณ„๋ฅผ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธ์ •์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Juan Sanabria with BMO Capital Markets.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ BMO ์บํ”ผํƒˆ ๋งˆ์ผ“์˜ ํ›„์•ˆ ์‚ฌ๋‚˜๋ธŒ๋ฆฌ์•„๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Juan Sanabria: BMO Capital Markets Equity Research Just first, a quick follow-up. I think you mentioned that pipeline, the leasing pipeline was up 15% year-over-year. So just curious if that number was benefiting from and if so, what the kind of apples-to-apples number is. But then just the broader question is just on these anchor boxes, how should we think about the potential capital investments for Saks and Neiman as those come back to you over time? And kind of what you think the -- like the top 5, let say, most likely uses are for those boxes across the portfolio?**Juan Sanabria:** ๋จผ์ € ๋น ๋ฅธ ํ›„์† ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฆฌ์‹ฑ ํŒŒ์ดํ”„๋ผ์ธ์ด ์ „๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ 15% ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ์š”, ์ด ์ˆ˜์น˜๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ค ์š”์ธ์˜ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฐ›์€ ๊ฑด์ง€, ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋™์ผ ์กฐ๊ฑด ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ์–ด๋–ค ์ˆ˜์น˜์ธ์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋” ํฐ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์•ต์ปค ๋งค์žฅ ๊ณต๊ฐ„๋“ค์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ธ๋ฐ์š”, Saks์™€ Neiman Marcus ๋งค์žฅ๋“ค์ด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ง€๋‚˜๋ฉด์„œ ๋ฐ˜ํ™˜๋  ๋•Œ ์ž ์žฌ์ ์ธ ์ž๋ณธ ํˆฌ์ž ๊ทœ๋ชจ๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค ์ „์ฒด์—์„œ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋งค์žฅ ๊ณต๊ฐ„๋“ค์˜ ์ƒ์œ„ 5๊ฐœ ์ •๋„ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ ๋†’์€ ์šฉ๋„๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ณด์‹œ๋Š”์ง€์š”?
David Simon: Chairman, CEO & President Well, yes, the 15% is like-for-like essentially because remember, we literally just took over Taubman leasing 2 days ago. It feels like, so that's like-for-like. I mentioned earlier the upside that we see in Off Fifth. So we'll see a positive impact from both the tenant mix and the cash flow over time. And then the other I don't think we're going to have that dramatic of an impact, but it's early days there. And then if we get boxes back, we'll do what we've been doing with dealing with all the Sears vacancies, the boxes we got back from [ Penney ] when they filed. I mean the one thing we're very capable of is reimagining the real estate and the boxes. And at the end of the day, it gives us the opportunity to redo the real estate, which is kind of what started with Southdale or how big is Southdale is?**David Simon:** ๋„ค, 15%๋Š” ๋ณธ์งˆ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋™์ผ ๊ธฐ์ค€(like-for-like) ๋น„๊ต์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ Taubman ๋ฆฌ์‹ฑ์„ ์ธ์ˆ˜ํ•œ ์ง€ ๊ฒจ์šฐ ์ดํ‹€๋ฐ–์— ์•ˆ ๋๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋™์ผ ๊ธฐ์ค€์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ž์„œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฐ Off Fifth์˜ ์ƒ์Šน ์—ฌ๋ ฅ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํ…Œ๋„ŒํŠธ ๋ฏน์Šค์™€ ํ˜„๊ธˆํ๋ฆ„ ์–‘์ชฝ ๋ชจ๋‘์—์„œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ง€๋‚˜๋ฉด์„œ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ํšจ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๊ทธ ์™ธ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์—์„œ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๊ทน์ ์ธ ์˜ํ–ฅ์€ ์—†์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ, ์•„์ง ์ดˆ๊ธฐ ๋‹จ๊ณ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋งค์žฅ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์„ ํšŒ์ˆ˜ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋ฉด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ Sears ๊ณต์‹ค์ด๋‚˜ Penney๊ฐ€ ํŒŒ์‚ฐ ์‹ ์ฒญํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ํšŒ์ˆ˜ํ•œ ๋งค์žฅ๋“ค์„ ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ–ˆ๋˜ ๋ฐฉ์‹๋Œ€๋กœ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง ์ž˜ํ•˜๋Š” ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋Š” ๋ถ€๋™์‚ฐ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ˜• ๋งค์žฅ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์„ ์žฌ๊ตฌ์ƒํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์ด๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ถ€๋™์‚ฐ์„ ์žฌ๊ตฌ์„ฑํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ์‚ฌ์šฐ์Šค๋ฐ์ผ(Southdale)์—์„œ ์‹œ์ž‘๋œ ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋น„์Šทํ•œ๋ฐ, ์‚ฌ์šฐ์Šค๋ฐ์ผ์˜ ๊ทœ๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋А ์ •๋„์ธ์ง€ ์•„์‹œ์ฃ ?

Brian McDade: Executive VP & CFO [ 123. ]**Brian McDade:** 200000

์žฌ๋ฌด ๋‹ด๋‹น ๋ถ€์‚ฌ์žฅ ๊ฒธ ์ตœ๊ณ ์žฌ๋ฌด์ฑ…์ž„์ž(CFO) [ 123. ]
David Simon: Chairman, CEO & President 123? I only have 200 -- how many properties do I have now?**David Simon:** 25000

ํšŒ์žฅ๋‹˜, CEO๋‹˜, ์‚ฌ์žฅ๋‹˜ 123๊ฐœ์š”? ์ €๋Š” 200๊ฐœ๋งŒ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ -- ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐœ ๋ณด์œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ ?
Brian McDade: Executive VP & CFO 254.**Brian McDade:** ์ „๋ฌด์ด์‚ฌ ๊ฒธ ์ตœ๊ณ ์žฌ๋ฌด์ฑ…์ž„์ž 254.
David Simon: Chairman, CEO & President So I only have 254, but somehow I remember it's Southdale, right? Southdale is an example, that whole redevelopment was spurred by, I believe [ Herberger's ] going out of the business. So -- and then we've got the [ Penney Box ] back, and that's where we put Life Time in. So there's Life Time deals to do. There's House of Sports deals to do. There's mixed use to do. There's outdoor additions to do. So it really runs the spectrum. And we'll see where it goes. I mean we don't know yet. So it's early days. My guess is we'll have a better feel for it when we next speak.**David Simon:** 254๊ฐœ๋งŒ ๋ณด์œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์–ด์จŒ๋“  ์‚ฌ์šฐ์Šค๋ฐ์ผ(Southdale)์ด ๊ธฐ์–ต๋‚˜๋„ค์š”. ์‚ฌ์šฐ์Šค๋ฐ์ผ์ด ์ข‹์€ ์˜ˆ์ธ๋ฐ์š”, ๊ทธ ์ „์ฒด ์žฌ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ์€ ํ—ˆ๋ฒ„๊ฑฐ์Šค(Herberger's)๊ฐ€ ํ์—…ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์ด‰๋ฐœ๋์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํŽ˜๋‹ˆ(Penney) ๋งค์žฅ์„ ๋˜์ฐพ์•˜๊ณ , ๊ทธ๊ณณ์— ๋ผ์ดํ”„ํƒ€์ž„(Life Time)์„ ์ž…์ ์‹œ์ผฐ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ผ์ดํ”„ํƒ€์ž„ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ , ํ•˜์šฐ์Šค ์˜ค๋ธŒ ์Šคํฌ์ธ (House of Sports) ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ณตํ•ฉ์šฉ๋„ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ ์š”. ์•ผ์™ธ ์ฆ์ถ•๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ ์š”. ์ •๋ง ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ŠคํŽ™ํŠธ๋Ÿผ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ง„ํ–‰๋ ์ง€๋Š” ์ง€์ผœ๋ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์ง์€ ํ™•์‹คํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”. ์ด์ œ ์‹œ์ž‘ ๋‹จ๊ณ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค์Œ์— ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆด ๋•Œ์ฏค์ด๋ฉด ๋” ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•œ ๊ฐ์„ ์žก์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Rich Hightower with Barclays.**Operator:** ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ Barclays์˜ Rich Hightower๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Richard Hightower: Barclays Bank PLC, Research Division Just a small clarifying question on Saks and then a separate question from that, if I may. I think it was reported that Simon's got a $100 million investment in that entity as well. And so just help us understand what happens to that and how that investment might, in some way, control the outcome to whatever extent? And then my second question is just updated thoughts, if you have any on the exchangeable euro debt that comes due later this year and the potentiality of putting Klepierre shares to the debt holders there, what the math looks like there?**Richard Hightower:** ๋จผ์ € Saks ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ ๋ช…ํ™•ํžˆ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ์‚ฌ์ด๋จผ์ด ํ•ด๋‹น ๋ฒ•์ธ์— 1์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ํˆฌ์žํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ณด๋„๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ํˆฌ์ž๊ธˆ์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌ๋˜๋Š”์ง€, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ํˆฌ์ž๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ค ์‹์œผ๋กœ๋“  ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ์— ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์„ค๋ช… ๋ถ€ํƒ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ์˜ฌํ•ด ๋ง ๋งŒ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋„๋ž˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ตํ™˜์‚ฌ์ฑ„(exchangeable euro debt)์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ตœ์‹  ๊ฒฌํ•ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฑ„๊ถŒ ๋ณด์œ ์ž๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ Klepierre ์ฃผ์‹์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•  ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ๊ณผ ๊ทธ์— ๋”ฐ๋ฅธ ๊ณ„์‚ฐ์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š”์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
David Simon: Chairman, CEO & President Sure. So let me answer the second first. We have gotten some redemption notices and we've been issuing shares. Brian wants to pull the number...**David Simon:** ๋„ค, ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋จผ์ € ๋‹ต๋ณ€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ผ๋ถ€ ํ™˜๋งค ํ†ต์ง€๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์•˜๊ณ  ์ฃผ์‹์„ ๋ฐœํ–‰ํ•ด์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Brian์ด ์ •ํ™•ํ•œ ์ˆ˜์น˜๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ...
Brian McDade: Executive VP & CFO 1.5 million shares.**Brian McDade:** 20000

150๋งŒ ์ฃผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
David Simon: Chairman, CEO & President So we've issued 1.5 million shares to satisfy the bond when we get it put. So that's what's happened. To your first question, is we did a transaction with Saks Global as part of their funding for buying Neiman Marcus. Now as part of that, we decided we were just going to make that investment unless we got compensated for it. So in case it blew up, we would be home. And so we got the right to terminate 2 leases. We got 2 buildings. And very importantly, and I'm sure you're familiar with [ REAs ]. But throughout the whole entire portfolio with Saks and Neiman, and Off Fifth, we got the right to build what we want, so we don't have to go get their approval. In addition, we got the right to take that investment and convert it into a company that's being run by authentic brands group that owns the IP, not e-commerce, not stores, but owns the IP for Saks, Neiman, Bergdorf. So at the end of the day, we felt like we made a good trade. With that said, we've written off our investment at the end of the fourth quarter. So -- but again, we've got the right to build, which can keep you from doing what you want the [ REAs ] for years and years. We've got 2 buildings. We got the right to terminate 2 leases if they were in monetary default, which they are. And then the upside is we own the IP. So we're -- in my personal belief we're ahead of the game, but we went ahead and rolled off our investment.**David Simon:** ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ํ’‹์˜ต์…˜ ํ–‰์‚ฌ ์‹œ ์ฑ„๊ถŒ์„ ์ถฉ์กฑํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด 150๋งŒ ์ฃผ๋ฅผ ๋ฐœํ–‰ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ง„ํ–‰๋œ ๋‚ด์šฉ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š”, ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ Saks Global์ด Neiman Marcus๋ฅผ ์ธ์ˆ˜ํ•˜๋Š” ์ž๊ธˆ ์กฐ๋‹ฌ์˜ ์ผํ™˜์œผ๋กœ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋ฅผ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ๊ณผ์ •์—์„œ ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ ์ ˆํ•œ ๋ณด์ƒ์„ ๋ฐ›์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ํˆฌ์ž๋งŒ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์€ ์›์น˜ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜น์‹œ๋ผ๋„ ์ผ์ด ์ž˜๋ชป๋  ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋ฅผ ๋Œ€๋น„ํ•ด์„œ ์•ˆ์ „์žฅ์น˜๋ฅผ ๋งˆ๋ จํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €ํฌ๋Š” 2๊ฐœ ์ž„๋Œ€์ฐจ ๊ณ„์•ฝ์˜ ํ•ด์ง€๊ถŒ์„ ํ™•๋ณดํ–ˆ๊ณ , ๊ฑด๋ฌผ 2๊ฐœ๋„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ธ๋ฐ, REA(์ƒํ˜ธ๋…์ ๊ธˆ์ง€๊ณ„์•ฝ)์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ž˜ ์•„์‹ค ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Saks์™€ Neiman, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Off Fifth ์ „์ฒด ํฌํŠธํด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๋Œ€๋กœ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ถŒ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ํ™•๋ณดํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ์ด์ œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์Šน์ธ์„ ๋ฐ›์œผ๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐˆ ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†๋‹ค๋Š” ์–˜๊ธฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ถ”๊ฐ€๋กœ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด ํˆฌ์ž๋ฅผ Authentic Brands Group์ด ์šด์˜ํ•˜๋Š” ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋กœ ์ „ํ™˜ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ถŒ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ํ™•๋ณดํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋Š” ์ด์ปค๋จธ์Šค๋‚˜ ๋งค์žฅ์ด ์•„๋‹Œ, Saks, Neiman, Bergdorf์˜ ์ง€์ ์žฌ์‚ฐ๊ถŒ(IP)์„ ์†Œ์œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ข‹์€ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํŒ๋‹จํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค๋งŒ, 4๋ถ„๊ธฐ ๋ง์— ์ด ํˆฌ์ž์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์†์‹ค์ฒ˜๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฑด๋ฌผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ถŒ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ํ™•๋ณดํ–ˆ๊ณ , ์ด๋Š” ํ–ฅํ›„ ์ˆ˜๋…„๊ฐ„ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๋Œ€๋กœ ํ™œ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ถŒ๋ฆฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” 2๊ฐœ์˜ ๊ฑด๋ฌผ์„ ๋ณด์œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ ๊ธˆ์ „์  ์ฑ„๋ฌด๋ถˆ์ดํ–‰ ์ƒํ™ฉ์—์„œ 2๊ฐœ์˜ ๋ฆฌ์Šค ๊ณ„์•ฝ์„ ํ•ด์ง€ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ถŒ๋ฆฌ๋„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํ˜„์žฌ ์ฑ„๋ฌด๋ถˆ์ดํ–‰ ์ƒํƒœ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฒŒ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ง€์ ์žฌ์‚ฐ๊ถŒ๋„ ์†Œ์œ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ํŒ๋‹จ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์œ ๋ฆฌํ•œ ์œ„์น˜์— ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ, ํˆฌ์ž๊ธˆ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์†์‹ค์ฒ˜๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์™„๋ฃŒํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: Our last question comes from Ronald Kamdem with Morgan Stanley.**Operator:** ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ๋ชจ๊ฑด์Šคํƒ ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋กœ๋‚ ๋“œ ์บ„๋Ž€ ์• ๋„๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ๊ป˜์„œ ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Ronald Kamdem: Morgan Stanley, Research Division I just had a quick one, putting some of the stuff that came up in the call earlier. Just going back to the domestic property NOI assumptions for this year versus last year, just talking through for the occupancy, the releasing spreads, the bad debt, just putting it all together, high compare versus last year would be helpful.**Ronald Kamdem:** ์˜ฌํ•ด์™€ ์ž‘๋…„์˜ ๊ตญ๋‚ด ๋ถ€๋™์‚ฐ ์ˆœ์˜์—…์ด์ต(NOI) ๊ฐ€์ •์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฐ„๋‹จํžˆ ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ†ตํ™” ์ค‘์— ๋‚˜์™”๋˜ ๋‚ด์šฉ๋“ค์„ ์ข…ํ•ฉํ•ด์„œ์š”. ์ ์œ ์œจ, ์žฌ์ž„๋Œ€ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ, ๋Œ€์†์ƒ๊ฐ๋น„ ๋“ฑ์„ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ณ ๋ คํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ, ์ž‘๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ ์˜ฌํ•ด ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ๋น„๊ต ๋ถ„์„์„ ํ•ด์ฃผ์‹œ๋ฉด ๋„์›€์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Brian McDade: Executive VP & CFO Ron, it's Brian. I think if you look, we've now said at least 3% domestic NOI for about 4 years and have outperformed that. Ultimately, it's going to all of the things that we've talked about on this call that will drive the performance of the domestic store NOI above where we have a guided to. Ultimately, it's going to be the upside from occupancy, upside from leasing and a variety of other parts of the business that will contribute as it has this year and the past several years.**Brian McDade:** ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ์ตœ์†Œ 3%์˜ ๊ตญ๋‚ด ์ˆœ์˜์—…์ด์ต(NOI) ์„ฑ์žฅ๋ฅ ์„ ์ œ์‹œํ•œ ์ง€ ์•ฝ 4๋…„์ด ๋˜์—ˆ๊ณ , ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ๊ทธ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋ฅผ ์ƒํšŒํ•˜๋Š” ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•ด์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์˜ค๋Š˜ ๋…ผ์˜ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ์š”์†Œ๋“ค์ด ๊ตญ๋‚ด ๋งค์žฅ NOI ์‹ค์ ์„ ๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค ์ด์ƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์–ด์˜ฌ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์›๋™๋ ฅ์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ถ๊ทน์ ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ์ ์œ ์œจ ๊ฐœ์„ , ์ž„๋Œ€ ์„ฑ๊ณผ ํ–ฅ์ƒ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ์—…์˜ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์—์„œ ๋‚˜์˜ค๋Š” ์ƒ์Šน ์—ฌ๋ ฅ์ด ์˜ฌํ•ด์™€ ์ง€๋‚œ ๋ช‡ ๋…„๊ฐ„ ๊ทธ๋ž˜์™”๋“ฏ์ด ๊ธฐ์—ฌํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
David Simon: Chairman, CEO & President All right. Thank you, everybody. Very good questions. And we will talk to you soon. And Brian and Tom always welcome your thoughts and insight. Thank you.**David Simon:** ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„. ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋“ค์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ณง ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ต™๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Brian๊ณผ Tom์€ ์–ธ์ œ๋“ ์ง€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ๊ณผ ํ†ต์ฐฐ์„ ํ™˜์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation. This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines, and have a wonderful day.**Operator:** ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„, ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค๋ฅผ ๋งˆ์น˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ์„ ์ข…๋ฃŒํ•˜์…”๋„ ๋˜๋ฉฐ, ์ข‹์€ ํ•˜๋ฃจ ๋ณด๋‚ด์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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# Simon Property Group Earnings Call Summary

## Key Financial Metrics & Guidance
- **2026 FFO Guidance**: Management maintained guidance range set in December despite additional bankruptcies (Saks, Eddie Bauer) emerging in early 2026
- **Domestic Property NOI Growth**: Projected at 3% for 2026 (consistent with prior 4-year track record of meeting/exceeding this target)
- **Leasing Activity**: 17 million square feet leased in 2025; new lease rents averaging ~$65/sq ft expected to continue into 2026
- **Redevelopment Pipeline**: ~$30 million NOI contribution expected from project completions in 2026 (back-end weighted, Q4 openings)
- **Occupancy**: 2.1% signed-and-occupied (S&O) at year-end, stable vs. prior years; upward trajectory expected through 2026

## Management Tone & Strategic Priorities
- **Cautiously Optimistic**: Traffic and sales up 3% (vs. flat budget assumptions), strong tenant demand (pipeline up 15% YoY), but tariff pressures creating retailer headwinds
- **Tariff Impact**: Management explicitly cited tariffs as primary risk, estimating "hundreds of millions" in EBITDA pressure on retailers, particularly smaller/less productive tenants; awaiting Supreme Court ruling
- **Capital Deployment**: $2 billion in 2025 acquisitions; high bar for future deals given robust internal redevelopment pipeline ($500M+ projects in Boca, Nashville, Woodbury, Desert Hills)
- **Luxury Leasing**: Selective but stable; transformational impact from small square footage additions (e.g., 70K sq ft luxury at Southdale transformed 1.3M sq ft asset)

## Implied Risks & Strengths
- **Risks**: Increased bankruptcy risk from tariff-pressured retailers; potential sales disruption in border markets (Canadian traffic down, ICE activity impacts); Saks Global restructuring uncertainty
- **Strengths**: Strong replacement economics (Off Fifth boxes generating higher rents post-bankruptcy); Simon+ loyalty program gaining traction; ability to redevel